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How many licenses should there be, why and what privileges?
Phil Kane wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:08:36 GMT, KØHB wrote: Which raises the next question --- who CARES what the FCC wants. I care what the FCC wants. Whether I think that they are on the right track or not is not the issue. Yep, that's one issue. Another is how to craft proposals that have a chance of being enacted. Knowing what the FCC wants is part of how to do that. We the people engage professionals to do a job, in this case, be the "Highway Patrol of the Airwaves". We frustrate that by second-guessing them at every turn, telling them that we know better, and thereby not letting them do the job that we hired them for. OTOH we do have to tell them what we want and don't want. Doesn't mean we'll get all of it, but not saying anything is a sure way to get things we don't want. If the bottom line is that the folks we engage do not do a professional job, throw then out and get folks who will. YES! This presumes that you have better professional qualifications than they do. Well, maybe... Consider that the President, who is Commander in Chief, isn't required to have any military experience. Or that the FCC Commissioners aren't required to have engineering experience or degrees.... As an employer you know that scenario very well. They should serve the wants of the people, not the other way around. No, they should provide for the NEEDS of the people. Yep - all the people. Otherwise, it's like letting the kids live on candy bars and soda rather than health-giving food. And stay up late whenever they want to, etc. Good analogy! Happy New Year to y'all. Happy New Year, Phil, and good to see you again. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
How many licenses should there be, why and what privileges?
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 1 Jan 2006 02:19:56 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman) wrote On 31 Dec 2005 01:52:05 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman) What separates an Extra from an Tech is not a "caste system" but rather who had the motivation to study versus who didn't. Motivation versus a lack of motivation *is* exactly why we have a population of citizens with various educational, vocational, and wealth differences. Motivation is the key to everything. Study and you'll become what you wish; if you do not study you'll never become anything. The problem is that what motivates you isn't necessarily the same thing that motivates everyone else, and maybe not even a majority. Why would you say that's a problem? The .policy NG was originally created to take the code debate off of ..misc, so I imagine you're on here in order to get the coveted HF access w/o having to learn the code. Hence, you share a common goal with many others (HF access). As you say, what motivates one person (maybe 20m CW DX) can surely differ from what motivates another (maybe the leisurely 40m daytime nets). Differences in motivation certainly aren't a problem. 73, Jeff KH6O -- Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System |
How many licenses should there be, why and what privileges?
On 1 Jan 2006 17:54:00 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman)
wrote: Frank Gilliland wrote: On 1 Jan 2006 02:19:56 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman) wrote On 31 Dec 2005 01:52:05 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman) What separates an Extra from an Tech is not a "caste system" but rather who had the motivation to study versus who didn't. Motivation versus a lack of motivation *is* exactly why we have a population of citizens with various educational, vocational, and wealth differences. Motivation is the key to everything. Study and you'll become what you wish; if you do not study you'll never become anything. The problem is that what motivates you isn't necessarily the same thing that motivates everyone else, and maybe not even a majority. Why would you say that's a problem? The .policy NG was originally created to take the code debate off of .misc, so I imagine you're on here in order to get the coveted HF access w/o having to learn the code. Hence, you share a common goal with many others (HF access). As you say, what motivates one person (maybe 20m CW DX) can surely differ from what motivates another (maybe the leisurely 40m daytime nets). Differences in motivation certainly aren't a problem. you haven't reading Frank very well you also seem to have overlooked geting an naswer to your question about proving motivation is every being lie 73, Jeff KH6O _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
How many licenses should there be, why and what privileges?
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How many licenses should there be, why and what privileges?
From: Jeffrey Herman on Dec 31 2005, 6:19 pm
Dec 31 2005, 6:19 pm show options wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 01:52:05 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman) What separates an Extra from an Tech is not a "caste system" but rather who had the motivation to study versus who didn't. a simple lie one of the core lies told by on the side of the ProCode test issue in may case it borders on being a personal slander but that is all to comon too Claiming motivation or a lack of is a lie? How so? Back up your claim with facts. Oh, my, we all have to "back up claims with facts" in order to express OPINIONS? Motivation versus a lack of motivation *is* exactly why we have a population of citizens with various educational, vocational, and wealth differences. Hay, coach, how's about "backing that up with FACTS?" It would have been correct if you struck out "motivation" and replaced it with abilities or aptitudes. Motivation is the key to everything. Study and you'll become what you wish; if you do not study you'll never become anything. The art student with NO art aptitude can study until they are blue in the face about art, but they will NEVER be a great artist. They might know a lot about art history and what others have said is the correct technique with media. The wannabe sports hero can study their buns off on their favorite sport, but if they don't have the ability or aptitude for that sport, they will only amass a mass of facts and statistics. If one doesn't have the aptitude for "hearing" morse code as a "language," all the study in the world will NOT make them good morsemen. The word "motivation" has been terribly MIS-USED for years yet remains a favorite of managers and instructors...and the fleecers who run "motivation classes" and "motivation seminars" for money. The fleecer's "motivation" is greed. The manager who demands all workers be "motivated" doesn't know how to lead or relate to his people. The instructor who stressed "motivation" above all doesn't recognize that students a (1). Required to take certain classes for credit and otherwise don't give a damn about the subject; (2). Might be interested - anyway - in the subject and do NOT need "motivation" exhonerations/nagging. Too many use "motivation" as a buzz-word substitute for themselves being "better than others" because they met the requirements of something and thus like to talk-down to those who complain about requirements. We can all ask YOU why YOU are so "motivated" to hold fast to old requirements in the amateur radio HOBBY and not permit modernization of regulations? Amateur radio is NOT a job, NOT a craft, guild, or union. It is a HOBBY. Hobbies are for personal enjoyment, not a "contest" needing half-time "motivational" speeches by self-styled "coaches" urging their players to "win." |
How many licenses should there be, why and what privileges?
On 1 Jan 2006 17:54:00 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman) wrote
in : Frank Gilliland wrote: On 1 Jan 2006 02:19:56 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman) wrote On 31 Dec 2005 01:52:05 GMT, (Jeffrey Herman) What separates an Extra from an Tech is not a "caste system" but rather who had the motivation to study versus who didn't. Motivation versus a lack of motivation *is* exactly why we have a population of citizens with various educational, vocational, and wealth differences. Motivation is the key to everything. Study and you'll become what you wish; if you do not study you'll never become anything. The problem is that what motivates you isn't necessarily the same thing that motivates everyone else, and maybe not even a majority. Why would you say that's a problem? Because it's a fact that conflicts with the premises of many of your opinions. The .policy NG was originally created to take the code debate off of .misc, so I imagine you're on here in order to get the coveted HF access w/o having to learn the code. You have a vivid imagination, Jeff. Hence, you share a common goal with many others (HF access). Now you're building a house of cards. As you say, what motivates one person (maybe 20m CW DX) can surely differ from what motivates another (maybe the leisurely 40m daytime nets). Differences in motivation certainly aren't a problem. Any motivation I have to get an Amateur license is based on my hobbies of radio, radio communication and electronics, not on any desire to play "king-of-the-hill" with a bunch of overweight has-beens who have nothing better to do than to nurture a feeling of self-importance they have because they teeter on the top step of a very short ladder. That, IMO, is a problem, because I'm an overweight has-been with -better- things to do. And BTW, I have no interest at all in HF; 160m and 6m sound interesting, as does sat-com and UHF point-to-point networking. I do plenty of CW (and CCW) on 1750m and below 9kHz, and play with Part 15 on the AM BC band (covert comm is very cool!). I was also a BC engineer for many years, and have designed, built and operated bigger HF transmitters and antenna fields than most hams will ever have a chance to touch. I even have an old AN/FRT-39B that's been sitting in a van in the parking lot of my shop for about a decade that I've been meaning to restore but just don't have the interest. So if I want an Extra ticket with full HF privileges..... hey, not a problem, and you can bet I'll be heard. The -ONLY- reason I don't is because, like I said before, I have no "motivation" to be classed with a bunch of holier-than-thou hammies who think their **** don't stink. And here's a news-flash, Jeff: Your **** stinks just like everyone else's. Now..... care to make any more assumptions? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
How many licenses should there be, why and what privileges?
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How many licenses should there be, why and what privileges?
Phil Kane wrote: On 31 Dec 2005 15:53:01 -0800, wrote: I didn't realize that you were no longer practicing your craft. I most certainly am still active as evidenced by my having to pay obscene Bar licensing fees every year. I still do ARRL Volunteer Counsel work, although things up here are pretty quiet, and I'm VP - Regulatory Counsel at a major player in the public safety communications engineering field. I do not take on any other clients, and for personal reasons my FCC work is pro-bono so I'm not dependent on the FCC for income. If you think that retiring on 50% of a salary that is 50% (or more) less than what one could get in the private sector is "fat", I have a (Weeatstone) bridge that I can sell you "real cheaply". Consider that the newer FERS states very clearly that your Social Security IS your retirement. I opted out of FERS when it first started and remained in the CSRS plan. Any intelligent person would My SocSec is based in the 15 years that worked in the private sector and paid into SocSec. FERS participants do, however, make mandatory contributions to a annuity plan that is separate from SocSec, 1% of gross is hardly a "retirement," thus their claim that the social security -supplement- IS your retirement. and all Federal employees are eligible to contribute to a voluntary 401-K plan that is on a par with "private" plans. There were 3 choices of investment vehicles; not thrilling. What is a 401K limited to? Do not forget that a Federal retirement annuity (prension) is not a "gift" from the taxpayers. It is an annuity that is bought by the employee with after-tax money and such purchase is not optional. Writing a sensible NPRM appears to be optional. Does the FCC trot out that kind of crap to the boradcasters? The new crop of folks try - seems like writing understandable English is becoming a lost art - but us old-timers get it fixed a lot quicker and easier than in the Amateur service because in general there's no bickering amongst the broadcast engineers when it comes to FCC regs. I serve as a chapter vice-chair in the Society of Broadcast Engineers and my firm mentioned above has a working partnership with one of the largest broadcast consulting engineering firms in the country. Anyhow, the FCC is less concerned about things technical in the broadcast field than they are in stuff like mergers and consumer affairs and schedules for transition to DTV/HDTV and HD Radio (yes, there is such a thing). On the latter score, the systems allowed and in use are total trash. That's what happens when engineers are replaced by non-engineers who don't or won't understand technical stuff or what "good regulatory practice" is. Let that be a lesson to us as we argue about the content of amateur radio operator exams and the structure of amateur licensing. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Our question pool is no longer under the thumb of the FCC. It is entirely an amateur endeavor. The VEC may also send code at any speed they choose, as long as they string out the between word spaces. Another poster said he couldn't copy 5WPM unless it was sent at the 30WPM rate over a 5 day period. Hi! |
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