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Hams ruin welcome at Rose Parade
Amateur Radio no longer at Rose Parade Amateur Radio operators no longer part of Tournament of Roses Parade. The world famous parade is held every New Year's Day in Pasadena, CA. For more than 30 years, an amateur radio group provided support communications for the event. But beginning this year, the amateur radio operators will no longer be part of the event. Parade organizers have an ample supply of alternative communications and are comfortable no longer using the amateur radio group. They would have liked to use the hams, but it appears the hams began to tell parade officials how to handle parts of the communications. (Tnx to Steve Stroh, N8GNJ for the link.) A general observation based on the article and on recent experience in my part of the world - Many hams still view their communications support as an essential service and have not appreciated that communications is now a commodity availlable through many alternatives. I have personally seen situations where amateurs adopted an attitude that clearly lost sight of themselves delivering a service to someone else. As a service provider, the served agency (or in this case, the parade officials) are the customer. You do what the customer requires. Too many ham groups get confused on this point and try to run the show themselves. In my state, we have a lot of hams volunteering to help the Red Cross in times of emergency. A decade ago, hams were called a lot to provide communications at many disaster situations. Today, locally, they are called, perhaps, once per year or less, because the Red Cross has many communication options available today. Many hams still view communications problems as "ham radio problems". They do not think outside the box. From the Red Cross perspective, I have an emergency problem and I will solve that problem using all possible solutions available to me, with hams being one of those tools (I am a ham radio operator too). My job (as a volunteer) is not to create communication opportunities for hams, but to render disaster relief in the most effective way I can. Some hams believed it was my job to define all communications problems in terms of them. Hams have a lot to offer, but not all groups are stepping up to the modern era and offering the right blend of services that meet served agency needs. And their groups are dying. |
Hams ruin welcome at Rose Parade
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:50:14 -0500, "No Roses" ssb@anon wrote:
Amateur Radio no longer at Rose Parade Amateur Radio operators no longer part of Tournament of Roses Parade. The world famous parade is held every New Year's Day in Pasadena, CA. For more than 30 years, an amateur radio group provided support communications for the event. But beginning this year, the amateur radio operators will no longer be part of the event. Parade organizers have an ample supply of alternative communications and are comfortable no longer using the amateur radio group. They would have liked to use the hams, but it appears the hams began to tell parade officials how to handle parts of the communications. (Tnx to Steve Stroh, N8GNJ for the link.) cut for breifity I have heard such stories before but not on this scale In Illioois IEMA and ARES were not (and may still not be speaking) it is easy to looks at some ham personalities and igmaine the conversations Dan was commenting that Red Cross seemed to be avoiding the use of Ham Radio during Katrina this sort of thing is likely to become an increasing problem for the ARS in the future _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
Hey Steve! Hams ruin welcome at Rose Parade
No Roses wrote: Amateur Radio no longer at Rose Parade Amateur Radio operators no longer part of Tournament of Roses Parade. The world famous parade is held every New Year's Day in Pasadena, CA. For more than 30 years, an amateur radio group provided support communications for the event. But beginning this year, the amateur radio operators will no longer be part of the event. Parade organizers have an ample supply of alternative communications and are comfortable no longer using the amateur radio group. They would have liked to use the hams, but it appears the hams began to tell parade officials how to handle parts of the communications. (Tnx to Steve Stroh, N8GNJ for the link.) A general observation based on the article and on recent experience in my part of the world - Many hams still view their communications support as an essential service and have not appreciated that communications is now a commodity availlable through many alternatives. I have personally seen situations where amateurs adopted an attitude that clearly lost sight of themselves delivering a service to someone else. As a service provider, the served agency (or in this case, the parade officials) are the customer. You do what the customer requires. Too many ham groups get confused on this point and try to run the show themselves. In my state, we have a lot of hams volunteering to help the Red Cross in times of emergency. A decade ago, hams were called a lot to provide communications at many disaster situations. Today, locally, they are called, perhaps, once per year or less, because the Red Cross has many communication options available today. Many hams still view communications problems as "ham radio problems". They do not think outside the box. From the Red Cross perspective, I have an emergency problem and I will solve that problem using all possible solutions available to me, with hams being one of those tools (I am a ham radio operator too). My job (as a volunteer) is not to create communication opportunities for hams, but to render disaster relief in the most effective way I can. Some hams believed it was my job to define all communications problems in terms of them. Hams have a lot to offer, but not all groups are stepping up to the modern era and offering the right blend of services that meet served agency needs. And their groups are dying. |
Hey Brain! " Hams ruin welcome at Rose Parade " Is A Misleading Heading That Any 3rd Grader Could Read Past
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Hams ruin welcome at Rose Parade "
K4YZ wrote: wrote: No Roses wrote: Amateur Radio no longer at Rose Parade cut A general observation based on the article and on recent experience in my part of the world - Many hams still view their communications support as an essential service and have not appreciated that communications is now a commodity availlable through many alternatives. I have personally seen situations where amateurs adopted an attitude that clearly lost sight of themselves delivering a service to someone else. As a service provider, the served agency (or in this case, the parade officials) are the customer. You do what the customer requires. Too many ham groups get confused on this point and try to run the show themselves. A bit of pontification by an Anonymous "source". your point? if any cut Yes, I understand that the Red Cross has lots of cellphones and lots of their own radios. Yet none of the ones they had in New Orleans did them much good...now did they? why do you say that? guess you didnot read the articles posted here on the subject they did not get as much service as they hoped for but they and other still got service cut (3) This in no way, shape or form mitigates a single bit of anything that has occured or continues to occur as it pertains to the integration of and deployment of Amateur Radio resources for disaster relief. The FACT remains that the American Red Cross, The Department of State, the Department of Homeland Defense, The Defense Department, The Salvation Army, etc etc etc all maintain MOU's, or Memorandum's of Understanding with the ARRL at the National level and various organizations at the local levels to provide EMERGENCY communicaitons. and yet why did Dan make coments along the same lines about ARS activities during Katrina cut |
Hey Brain! " Hams ruin welcome at Rose Parade " Is A Misleading Heading That Any 3rd Grader Could Read Past
an_old_friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: No Roses wrote: Amateur Radio no longer at Rose Parade cut I assume then you agree with my comments since you snipped them without disagreement or other comment. A general observation...(SNIP TO...) to run the show themselves. A bit of pontification by an Anonymous "source". your point? if any Do you understand the meaning of the word "pontification"...?!?! (That was a rhetorical question, of course...if you DID understand it, you would hve gotten my "point"....) Yes, I understand that the Red Cross has lots of cellphones and lots of their own radios. Yet none of the ones they had in New Orleans did them much good...now did they? why do you say that? guess you didnot read the articles posted here on the subject Sure I did...and in the New York Times, MSN On-Line, CNN.com, etc etc etc. And most of them were useless, just like I said. they did not get as much service as they hoped for but they and other still got service They got squat. Amateurs were "carrying the freight" for days down there. (3) This in no way, shape or form mitigates a single bit of anything that has occured or continues to occur as it pertains to the integration of and deployment of Amateur Radio resources for disaster relief. The FACT remains that the American Red Cross, The Department of State, the Department of Homeland Defense, The Defense Department, The Salvation Army, etc etc etc all maintain MOU's, or Memorandum's of Understanding with the ARRL at the National level and various organizations at the local levels to provide EMERGENCY communicaitons. and yet why did Dan make coments along the same lines about ARS activities during Katrina One man, one opinion...In neither case does it change FACTS that Amateur Radio is STILL the option of choice for mobile, immediate, reliable emergency communications. THAT is established by the aforementioned MOU's above and the previously mentioned news sources. Steve, K4YZ |
stevei admits to be an ASS
K4YZ wrote: an_old_friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: No Roses wrote: Amateur Radio no longer at Rose Parade cut I assume then you agree with my comments since you snipped them without disagreement or other comment. I can't stop you from assuming anything I can and do point out it merely makes you an ass |
More Markie Mularkie
an Old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: an_old_friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: No Roses wrote: Amateur Radio no longer at Rose Parade cut I assume then you agree with my comments since you snipped them without disagreement or other comment. I can't stop you from assuming anything But you COULD do something about your grammar and thereby alleviate much of the confusion. I can and do point out it merely makes you an ### No...It only makes me tired in trying to decipher and full of pity that a "man" pushing 40 can't express himself any better than you do. Steve, K4YZ |
more of stevie confessing to child abuse
On 4 Jan 2006 17:01:28 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
an Old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: an_old_friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: No Roses wrote: Amateur Radio no longer at Rose Parade cut I assume then you agree with my comments since you snipped them without disagreement or other comment. I can't stop you from assuming anything But you COULD do something about your grammar and thereby alleviate much of the confusion. no I could not you seek to be confused I can and do point out it merely makes you an ### No...It only makes me tired in trying to decipher and full of pity that a "man" pushing 40 can't express himself any better than you do. another lie no one is making you do anything therefore by your words you are a child abuser Steve, K4YZ everyone should be advised that The following person has been advocating the abuse of elders making false charges of child rape, rape in general forges post and name he may also be making flase reports of abusing other in order to attak and cow his foes he also shows signs of being dangerously unstable STEVEN J ROBESON 151 12TH AVE NW WINCHESTER TN 37398 931-967-6282 well stevie you assked for it you got it Mark Morgan _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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