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From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Jan 19 2006 7:43 am

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From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
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I didn't write of "amateurism", Len. I wrote of amateur radio.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?

You wrote of AMATEUR radio. That is AMATEURISM.

AMATEUR radio is NOT professional radio.


Amateur radio is most assuredly a closed community in that only those
who have passed licensing exams may participate.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, by Heilian Rules: NO ONE can "become
interested" in amateur radio UNLESS they ALREADY have
an amateur radio license! Ergo, those going for their
first amateur radio license exam are "not interested!"

Very ILL-logic, David. ["chicken and egg paradox"]

Your mindset of "closed community" is not only strange
but sociopathic and bigoted. It is imaginative of some
ritualistic group of mystics practicing arcane arts. :-)


You have not done so and you may not participate.

"I may not participate?" Who is to "stop" my interest
in anything? Some two-bit control-freak waving his
federal amateur radio license saying "do I as I command
you?" :-)


Your claim of decades of interest in amateur radio is itself nearly a
decade old.

Much, much OLDER, David? Can't you get ANYTHING right?

I've had an interest in radio in general since the
late 1940s. [can't you remember what your word-enemies
have written in here?]

RADIO (in general) is fascinating stuff to me. So much
so that I made radio-electronics my career choice.

You exhort that "I have no interest," therefore "I cannot
participate." :-)

All because of NOT being granted an amateur radio license.

You still hold no amateur radio license of any class.

Absolutely correct. In March I will have held a
COMMERCIAL RADIO LICENSE (First Class Radiotelephone)
for 50 years!


I don't know a single soul who imagines himself a god of radio.

"Gods of radio" (disguising themselves as mighty macho
morsemen AMATEURS) seem to be soul-less. [hear them
roar!] :-)


I know that you've, at various times, imagined me to be a god of radio.

One can only go by the words you've written, mighty macho
morseman amateur. Takes NO imagination to read that. You
have "laid down rules" that all others must obey, lest they
get the wrath of a self-imagined "god of radio" in here. :-)


Well, one thing is certain. You're no radio amateur.

Not a LICENSED radio amateur.

I've been a hobbyist in radio-electronics since the late 1940s.
That's longer than I've been a PROFESSIONAL in radio-
electronics. Since HOBBY interests hardly ever return anything
on monetary investments, HOBBY activities are classified as
"amateur."

Radio-electronics is fascinating stuff to me, very enjoyable.
I do like to discuss and trade ideas on the subject. I just
don't enjoy being given orders by self-imposed gods of radio
who imagine themselves to be in-charge over moral and ethical
standards in hobby activities.


Don't attempt at giving orders here, Leonard.

Why? Do I impinge on your imagined "bossmanship" in here?

:-)


One does NOT have to be "involved" through federal licensing
to discuss either radio, licensing, or license testing for
amateur radio.

You have discussed (but mostly pontificated) here for many years.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you contradict yourself. Remember, at the
beginning of your "reply" you stated "I have no interest"
in amateur radio...because of not getting an AMATEUR radio
license. :-)


The FCC does NOT require any staffer or commissioner to
have been granted any amateur radio license in order to
MAKE amateur radio regulations OR regulated its use.

That'll be relevant when you are appointed to or hired by the Commission.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?

What I wrote is RELEVANT NOW. Search all through Title 47
C.F.R. as you wish but NO commissioner or staff of the FCC
is required to hold, be granted ANY FCC radio license in
order to regulate and enforce ALL of United States civil
radio.


Who has forbidden you to speak?

David Heil.

Heil claims only the already-licensed "are interested" in
amateur radio; i.e., they are "participants." All others
must then have no interest.

That does not bode well for newcomers to amateur radio, does
it? Normal human life expectancy will soon whittle down the
ranks of the already-licensed radio amateurs in the USA
since those without amateur radio licenses are "not interested"
in radio. :-)


When you speak, you speak as one with limited knowledge of the topic.

"As if." :-)

Amateur radio and its activities are NO SECRET. There is NO
secret cabal of radio amateurs who know all there is to know
about radio...thus passing on those secrets to other, already-
licensed radio amateurs who are "interested" and
"participants." :-)


Thanks for the advice. I'll do that about the time you stop your
pontificating and condescension. In other words, I won't have to worry
about it in this lifetime.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. David desires to still be in CONTROL over
what everyone thinks, does, desires! His "lifetime task!" :-)

David is bound and determined to be IN CONTROL of everyone
(whether they like it or not)!


I've been VERY much "involved" with radio for just about
53 years now. Radio. Communications radio.

We all know about that. It isn't amateur radio.

YOU know NOTHING about that. You aren't a "participant" in
my life (thanks be to God). You are NOT a god of radio who
can tell others what to like, dislike, desire, hate, or be
involved in...but you sincerely TRY to do that...


I didn't write "radio". I wrote "amateur radio".

Are we to care "what you wrote?" I thought we were to OBEY
what you wrote.


You're on the outside and you've never been on the inside.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?

I AM on the inside right now, writing this. Too cool to be
outside this southern California morning. :-)


At the
professional level, not in some "clubhouse" idea of some
backyard amateurs sitting around thinking they were God's
Gift to the radio world because they have been granted a
federal license to be "hams."

There's the condescension.

I don't "condescend" anything. All I do is state what so many
licensed radio amateurs DO, act like, behave. Some of those
are simply assholes who think their feces emits no odor.
David, you act like one of those.

An AMATEUR radio license grant is simply a permission to operate
under specific federal rules of law. No more. Those who think
it is "more" than that have an imagination at odds with reality.

Having been granted a federal AMATEUR radio license is NOT some
grant to be of better moral or ethical status than anyone else.
Try to get over that imagined power of yours.


Radio amateurs are granted a federal license to be hams.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?

The Food and Drug Administration and the Agriculture Department
of the United States determines what is "ham" (and other pork
products)...and regulate its quality.

Only LICENSED radio amateurs are granted permission to operate
on CERTAIN frequencies with CERTAIN modes according to federal
law.

You haven't got one.

I'm not involved with food products and try to avoid contact
with swine. However, sometimes contact with swine is just
unavoidable. :-)

I got my first radio license (from the FCC, testing at their
Chicago field office) a half century ago. It was a
COMMERCIAL radio operator license (i.e., professional).

Please explain why an AMATEUR radio license grant is the ONLY
thing necessary to hold a superior moral, ethical, or
academic viewpoint over others involved in radio. Hmmm?


Talk with them 'til you're blue in the face.

Sorry, there's no Scotch in my blood and I'm not eager to
emulate William Wallace. Wallace was drawn and quartered
some while ago for defying the Crown.

Are you attempting to emulate the Crown in trying to draw
and quarter all of your word-enemies in here? Certainly
appears that way. :-)



With the bestest of regards and a hearty "good luck on this,
now,"

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:24:23 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:26:59 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

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Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.
You have a point, Leonard. One example would be your involvement in
amateur radio.

how is that?

How is it? Leonard H. Anderson is not now, nor has he ever been a
participant in amateur radio.

another lie

Oh I see just lying again

Please do me the favor of pointing out, if it is within your
capabilities, any statement I've made in my post which is an untruth.
Use some of that vaunted IQ.

your statment that Len anderson is not involed in Amateur Radio

if at no other point (not knowing or needing the full resume on the
subject len) Len became involved in amateur Radion since his 1998
(that is the date isn't) comment on the NPRM

aumsining no earlier involvement in the Amateur Radio he became
involed at that time

therefore your statement that Len is not involved in Ham radio is a
lie




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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:29:59 GMT, Dave Heil
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:43:52 GMT, Dave Heil
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wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm

wrote:
Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.
You have a point, Leonard.

One example would be your involvement in amateur radio.
CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######?

more censorsorship more forgery dave

Excuse me, Colonel. You seem to be in over your head. Please point to
any portion of Len's post which I altered in any way.
why did you lie so badly
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From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Jan 19 2006 7:43 am

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:


I didn't write of "amateurism", Len. I wrote of amateur radio.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?

You wrote of AMATEUR radio. That is AMATEURISM.

AMATEUR radio is NOT professional radio.


Amateur radio is most assuredly a closed community in that only those
who have passed licensing exams may participate.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, by Heilian Rules: NO ONE can "become
interested" in amateur radio UNLESS they ALREADY have
an amateur radio license! Ergo, those going for their
first amateur radio license exam are "not interested!"

Very ILL-logic, David. ["chicken and egg paradox"]

logic is not the long suit of Dave or dudly for that matter

Your mindset of "closed community" is not only strange
but sociopathic and bigoted. It is imaginative of some
ritualistic group of mystics practicing arcane arts. :-)
do be careful with those mystic as one of them I almost take exception
there is time and place ofor mytism (just not in Ham Radio)
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:11:06 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Jan 19 2006 7:43 am

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:


I didn't write of "amateurism", Len. I wrote of amateur radio.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?

You wrote of AMATEUR radio. That is AMATEURISM.

I wrote of amateur RADIO, not "amateurism".

I guessyou don't know english that well

I am dyslexic but I know basic word formation what excuse are you
wanting to use

AMATEUR radio is NOT professional radio.

No kidding? Who on earth ever said that it was?

Amateur radio is most assuredly a closed community in that only those
who have passed licensing exams may participate.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, by Heilian Rules: NO ONE can "become
interested" in amateur radio UNLESS they ALREADY have
an amateur radio license!

I didn't say that at all.
yes you did

I will be kind and assume that you did not mean to say but you did
If you've been interested for decades in
amateur radio (and you've been telling us that for almost a decade)
so he has

, you
aren't really interested in amateur radio.
BUUUZZZ

wrong answer

he is obviously interested in the ARs he spends enough time on it

he is just not showing the interest in a (or is it the) manner you
aprove of
If you had been, you'd have
acted upon your interest.

now you just plain lied

he has certainly acted on that interest his primary foucus seems to be
on the rules of the ARS and he has certainly acted on that Stev whines
long and often about as does jim I don't recall your whinging about
Len acting on that interest. you itseems just chose to lie and say ihe
doesn't

Ergo, those going for their
first amateur radio license exam are "not interested!"

You aren't going for your first amateur radio license exam.
he might after the R&O but he was speaking generaly so that doesn't
matter
You aren't
doing doodly-squat. Six years ago, you were going for your "Extra right
out of the box"

. For six years, you've done nothing.

another lies he has particapted in his intest in the ARS w.r.t. it
place in RF usage and rules

just becuase that isn't your interest does not ean that Len's interest
does not exist

I don't think much of the pastime of chasing DX but I am not rude
enough tosay the interest doesn't exist and should beregulated against

Very ILL-logic, David. ["chicken and egg paradox"]

Your chicken stayed on the same side of the road, all the while
expressing "interest" in roads.
the only possible answer to that has to be "bock-bock", or
"Cockadoodle do"

Your mindset of "closed community" is not only strange
but sociopathic and bigoted. It is imaginative of some
ritualistic group of mystics practicing arcane arts. :-)

What I wrote is fact.
no it is is not fact

you are lying nothing new for you
If you have no license, you may not participate.

indeed he can and does

but he can indeed particpate even in on air activioties without a
license

you do need to brush up on the rules it seems


You have not done so and you may not participate.

"I may not participate?"

I think you've got it.

we got it you lied agin

Who is to "stop" my interest
in anything?

Let's take amateur radio as an example.

So far, the only person stopping
you is you.

no he isn't

you and steve and jim try to stop but you fail badly

cutin some ranting

Some two-bit control-freak waving his
federal amateur radio license saying "do I as I command
you?" :-)

What've I commanded you to do, Len? :-) :-)

to stop posting you deny basic facts


Your claim of decades of interest in amateur radio is itself nearly a
decade old.

Much, much OLDER, David? Can't you get ANYTHING right?

I'm going by what you've told us. Perhaps you supplied erroneous
information.

I've had an interest in radio in general since the
late 1940s. [can't you remember what your word-enemies
have written in here?]

Not "radio", Len. "Amateur radio".

so

RADIO (in general) is fascinating stuff to me. So much
so that I made radio-electronics my career choice.

Not "radio, Len. "Amateur radio". Nobody makes amateur radio a career
choice.

W1RFI? Gordo come pretty close W5YI prehaps as well

You exhort that "I have no interest," therefore "I cannot
participate." :-)

You're confused.
you are condused indeed Dave
We're discussing "amateur radio". You've expressed a
decades-long interest. You've told us that for nearly a decade. You've
never acted.

he seems to have acted on those facets that interest him, if that
satifies him who are you to judge him

All because of NOT being granted an amateur radio license.

Granted? You've never even made a move toward obtaining the license.
Six years ago, you stated that you were obtaining an "Extra right out of
the box". The box is sealed.

You still hold no amateur radio license of any class.

Absolutely correct.

Yeah, I knew that.

as did we all

jim was flaming some more you felt like helping out

In March I will have held a
COMMERCIAL RADIO LICENSE (First Class Radiotelephone)
for 50 years!

I don't care if you hold it for another fifty years. That doesn't make
you a licensed radio amateur.

he never claimed it did

you lied by impling he has made such a claim


I don't know a single soul who imagines himself a god of radio.

"Gods of radio" (disguising themselves as mighty macho
morsemen AMATEURS) seem to be soul-less. [hear them
roar!] :-)

Amateurs! That's right, Len. Radio amateurs are AMATEURS. They enjoy
radio for the love of it.
do you realy to judge by your posts hear I would not come to take
conclsion
Many of them have had careers in PROFESSIONAL
radio as well. They manage to do both and to tell the difference
between them.

and some of them even can draw the distintions corectly unlike you
dave

I know that you've, at various times, imagined me to be a god of radio.

One can only go by the words you've written, mighty macho
morseman amateur.

That's right. I've never claimed to be a god of radio.

you have had enough good sense not to type that claim, OTOH your
freind has been less modest, which takes some real work

Takes NO imagination to read that.

To read what, Len?

that you think you think higher of yourself as a ham that you think
your opinion carry the fvery nearl the force of law

you showed that a few days ago when you insisted that you had to
demand and receive an answer from me that I did not feellike giving
you

that you areenpowered to decide when the rules may be broken

that you are.. well never mind furth examples you are not realy
reading this anyway

You
have "laid down rules" that all others must obey, lest they
get the wrath of a self-imagined "god of radio" in here. :-)

I don't lay down rules in amateur radio, Len.
you have claiemed such power
The FCC does that.
Besides, you aren't in amateur radio.

I've already told you that I'm not a god of radio and that I don't know
anyone else who believes himself to be a god of radio. Is your
attention span that short?

no but you do think are one it seems gues you were reading


Well, one thing is certain. You're no radio amateur.

Not a LICENSED radio amateur.

That's the only kind of radio amateur I know of, Len.
your knowledge islimited or I guess you don't alow that that Part 15
lowefer are amateurs (i guess I shouldturn log and pay requests
somewhere

Any Jack Dandy
who isn't a licensed radio amateur but claims to be a radio amateur is
simply a POSEUR!

I've been a hobbyist in radio-electronics since the late 1940s.

Great. That makes you a radio/electronics hobbyist.

That's longer than I've been a PROFESSIONAL in radio-
electronics.

I'm sure that causes your heart to swell with pride.

Since HOBBY interests hardly ever return anything
on monetary investments, HOBBY activities are classified as
"amateur."

Fine, Len. You're an amateur radio/electronics hobbyist.

Radio-electronics is fascinating stuff to me, very enjoyable.


Great. Enjoy it.

then shut and let him

I do like to discuss and trade ideas on the subject.

I'm sure there are a number of newsgroups set up just for guys like you.

what newgruop for discusing ARS policy for no hams
I think it'd be nice if you had a place to meet with like-minded
individuals. It might even ease your frustration over years you've
wasted in r.r.a.p.

if lens purposes are fulfill he has not wated his time



I just
don't enjoy being given orders by self-imposed gods of radio
who imagine themselves to be in-charge over moral and ethical
standards in hobby activities.

Well, as I've told you, I've never claimed to be a god of radio and I
don't personally know any radio amateurs who consider themselves to be
gods of radio, but I can see how you'd feel uncomfortable and maybe
even a little intimidated in the company of those who have spent decades
practicing a craft.

yoiu don't know yourself

I call that a serious problem needing professional help

but you and steve both need such badly

Don't attempt at giving orders here, Leonard.

Why? Do I impinge on your imagined "bossmanship" in here?

Because you hold no authority to do so.

he has as much right as you do and you do regularly

:-)

:-) :-)

One does NOT have to be "involved" through federal licensing
to discuss either radio, licensing, or license testing for
amateur radio.

You have discussed (but mostly pontificated) here for many years.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, you contradict yourself.
dae only you and steve (and jim refuse to think

people and interest change over the year

only you and jim and stev realy object to that
Remember, at the
beginning of your "reply" you stated "I have no interest"
in amateur radio...because of not getting an AMATEUR radio
license. :-)

Actually, (tsk, tsk, tsk) you're the one who is contradicting himself.
I acknowledged that you've claimed a decades-long interest in amateur
radio but that you've not acted upon that interest. You tend to play
the guy who is just getting ready to enter amateur radio. You've been
getting ready for decades and decades.


The FCC does NOT require any staffer or commissioner to
have been granted any amateur radio license in order to
MAKE amateur radio regulations OR regulated its use.

That'll be relevant when you are appointed to or hired by the Commission.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?

Did you find something incorrect in my statement?
yes I did

you did not ask what BTW

What I wrote is RELEVANT NOW.

It might be relevant now, but you aren't--to the FCC or to amateur radio.

another lie he certainly is relavant

he is a concerned citizen be he ham or not

you rfuse to accept that people have rights even when you wish they
did not

Search all through Title 47
C.F.R. as you wish but NO commissioner or staff of the FCC
is required to hold, be granted ANY FCC radio license in
order to regulate and enforce ALL of United States civil
radio.

That'll be relevant to you when and if you are ever hired by or
appointed to the Commission.

it is relavant now as an example of folks involed in the ARS that are
not hams

you must be suffering from narrow band OOKed rf induced mental
problems it seems


Who has forbidden you to speak?

David Heil.

Nope. Not once; not ever. You have, you might remember, told me to
shut up or to go away. Isn't it interesting that you have done
something of which you accuse others?

I don't recal if you have or have told len to shut up you told me to
"shut up" that is you have told I may not speak as I choose, and you
have told Todd to

I will assuem you have told len to shut up unless somehow you can
prove your assertin that you have not

in this post you clearly seek to forbid Len form speaking on the ARS
and clami he may not address the FCC on ars matters


Heil claims only the already-licensed "are interested" in
amateur radio; i.e., they are "participants." All others
must then have no interest.

You certainly screw things up, Len. That isn't what I've said at all.

It is exaclty what you said
The already licensed are participants. I've acknowledged your claimed
interest and I've pointed out that you have yet to act upon it. YOu are
not a participant in amateur radio.

yes he is

that you fail to accept reality is not len's problem

That does not bode well for newcomers to amateur radio, does
it?

Newcomers? Those just licensed?
are you truely that stupid?


They're radio amateurs, Len. You aren't.

Normal human life expectancy will soon whittle down the
ranks of the already-licensed radio amateurs in the USA
since those without amateur radio licenses are "not interested"
in radio. :-)

Others enter amateur radio. If you entered, you'd be one of them. You
haven't done so. Of of these days, you might achieve neophyte status.
I'm not banking on it.

When you speak, you speak as one with limited knowledge of the topic.

"As if." :-)

*Just* as if.

Amateur radio and its activities are NO SECRET.

No, they aren't. That makes it even more peculiar that a guy with those
decades of interest in amateur radio couldn't have taken the logical
step of acting upon that interest.

he has acted on that interest

you just don't aporve of how he has done so

the answer for that is to tell tough ****

There is NO
secret cabal of radio amateurs who know all there is to know
about radio...thus passing on those secrets to other, already-
licensed radio amateurs who are "interested" and
"participants." :-)

How do you know there is no such secret cabal?
by not being delusional

If it existed, do you
suppose that all would run around blabbing it to you? :-)


Thanks for the advice. I'll do that about the time you stop your
pontificating and condescension. In other words, I won't have to worry
about it in this lifetime.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. David desires to still be in CONTROL over
what everyone thinks, does, desires! His "lifetime task!" :-)

Actually, you (the non-radio amateur) seemed to be telling me what to
do.
he can tell you butt out of his affairs (you obviously don't have to
comply
You aren't in control of my actions on or off the air, Len.
I hve never seen him claim he was
I'll
do as I please.
obviously
You may do as you can.

and yet you object even to that

David is bound and determined to be IN CONTROL of everyone
(whether they like it or not)!

I'm bound and determined to show you up as the clay-footed pretender
that you are.

lotsa luck you are going to need it

I've been VERY much "involved" with radio for just about
53 years now. Radio. Communications radio.

We all know about that. It isn't amateur radio.

YOU know NOTHING about that.

There are reams of your pontificating posts, telling us all about it.

yes but they were lost on you

You aren't a "participant" in
my life (thanks be to God).

I appreciate the advice and I just thanked Him.

it wasn't advice

youso lied again

You are NOT a god of radio who
can tell others what to like, dislike, desire, hate, or be
involved in...but you sincerely TRY to do that...

I thought I'd already pointed out the fact that I've never claimed to be
a god of radio, Len. You do have trouble with your memory.

you oh never mind

You don't have to like amateur radio.
mighty generous of you
You don't have to dislike amateur
radio.
mighty generous of you
You don't have to desire amateur radio.
mighty generous of you
You don't have to hate
amateur radio.
mighty generous of you
You certainly don't have to be involved in amateur
radio. Happy now?

going out on limb and speaking for len
nope becuase the one thing you don't seem to ant to alow " You
certainly don't have to NOT be involved in amateur radio if you want"

that point is one of the basic bones of contention

you and steve and jim will not alow to enjoy a basic prevledge in
peace, thefree exercise of his contitintutional rights without
interfeence


I didn't write "radio". I wrote "amateur radio".

Are we to care "what you wrote?"

Only if you are interested in accuracy.
\
why should anyone e more accurtate than you seem to feel you need to
be?

I thought we were to OBEY
what you wrote.

You thought "amateur radio" was a command?

You're on the outside and you've never been on the inside.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?

I AM on the inside right now, writing this. Too cool to be
outside this southern California morning. :-)

You aren't here in the cozy lodge hall, Len.
progress you come close to admitting to yourself and the rest of us
your true view

why not come the rest of the way?

and on a personal note the lodge is not that crozy still rife with
classismand bigotry
You're doomed to spend
your days on the outside looking in.
not at all doomed

good greif show sense of proportion



At the
professional level, not in some "clubhouse" idea of some
backyard amateurs sitting around thinking they were God's
Gift to the radio world because they have been granted a
federal license to be "hams."

There's the condescension.

I don't "condescend" anything.

You just did.

nope you are you used the lodge hall stametn

short memerory I guess

All I do is state what so many
licensed radio amateurs DO, act like, behave.

You don't even know "many" licensed radio amateurs.
you know this how?
Hams aren't about
to kow-tow to the likes of you.

he never claimed they had to you

that is more along your line

Some of those
are simply assholes who think their feces emits no odor.
David, you act like one of those.

Maybe you can find a hobby more to your liking--one in which the
long-time participants will hang on your every word.

he has that hear someone is hanging on his every word in RRAP No post
of len ever goes unanswered

you just lied again

An AMATEUR radio license grant is simply a permission to operate
under specific federal rules of law.

Precisely.

No more.

...and not a bit less.

Those who think
it is "more" than that have an imagination at odds with reality.

I wonder who those guys are.

you for one

Having been granted a federal AMATEUR radio license is NOT some
grant to be of better moral or ethical status than anyone else.

Moral or ethical status?
yes
What are you prattling on about?

you have not been readong the ng for years then

Try to get over that imagined power of yours.

You seem to have taken a left turn somewhere.

Radio amateurs are granted a federal license to be hams.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?

The Food and Drug Administration and the Agriculture Department
of the United States determines what is "ham" (and other pork
products)...and regulate its quality.

How about the part you snipped? You know, the part where you yourself
used the word hams. I guess you were talking about pork product.

Only LICENSED radio amateurs are granted permission to operate
on CERTAIN frequencies with CERTAIN modes according to federal
law.

Thanks for your masterful statement of the obvious. So if a guy didn't
pass the exam granting him an amateur radio license, he wouldn't have
permission to operate on those CERTAIN frequencies with CERTAIN modes
according to federal law. Do you have such a license?

You haven't got one.

I'm not involved with food products and try to avoid contact
with swine. However, sometimes contact with swine is just
unavoidable. :-)

Like, when your gnawing on a pork chop?

I got my first radio license (from the FCC, testing at their
Chicago field office) a half century ago. It was a
COMMERCIAL radio operator license (i.e., professional).

That's irrelevant to the discussion then, isn't it?

Please explain why an AMATEUR radio license grant is the ONLY
thing necessary to hold a superior moral, ethical, or
academic viewpoint over others involved in radio. Hmmm?

Maybe you thought you were in a professional radio ethics discussion, Len.
nope


Talk with them 'til you're blue in the face.

Sorry, there's no Scotch in my blood and I'm not eager to
emulate William Wallace. Wallace was drawn and quartered
some while ago for defying the Crown.

Maybe he was just windy.

nope

Are you attempting to emulate the Crown in trying to draw
and quarter all of your word-enemies in here? Certainly
appears that way. :-)

I don't think of you as a "word-enemy" or "message knuckle", Len. I
prefer to think of you as a horse's patoot.


With the bestest of regards and a hearty "good luck on this,
now,"

I think I've already had pretty good luck on it. Thanks.

hmm thinking that is lie in truth but I am sure you believe that you
think

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:15:32 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:24:23 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:26:59 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:

Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.
You have a point, Leonard. One example would be your involvement in
amateur radio.
how is that?

How is it? Leonard H. Anderson is not now, nor has he ever been a
participant in amateur radio.

another lie

That's one incorrect.
it is correct you just don't like it
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Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:11:06 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Jan 19 2006 7:43 am

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:

I didn't write of "amateurism", Len. I wrote of amateur radio.
Can't you get ANYTHING right?

You wrote of AMATEUR radio. That is AMATEURISM.
I wrote of amateur RADIO, not "amateurism".

I guessyou don't know english that well

Forgive me, Colonel, but you're probably the last person on earth from
whom I'd accept criticism of my use of language.
no i will not

and frankly you are clearly lying you accept no correction from anyone
on anything

I am dyslexic but I know basic word formation what excuse are you
wanting to use

No, Mark, you don't even know basic word formation, sentence formation,
paragraph formation or punctuation.
I certinaly do know it dave

but you lie I simply don't think RRAP is worth the trouble of using
them

Dave K8MN

steve the liar and fraud
 

On 19 Jan 2006 03:05:53 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:


wrote:

Even more basic than that, though, is Dudly's FAILURE to produce
ONE item, documentary or from anyone else, of his vaunted
"active military service in the USMC."

Sorry, Lennie.

A LIE on your part.

I've produced NUMEROUS references to verifyable third-party
sources of my service.

nope never more lies

All of which points to YOU lying about it.

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an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:11:06 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Jan 19 2006 7:43 am

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:
I didn't write of "amateurism", Len. I wrote of amateur radio.
Can't you get ANYTHING right?

You wrote of AMATEUR radio. That is AMATEURISM.
I wrote of amateur RADIO, not "amateurism".
I guessyou don't know english that well
Forgive me, Colonel, but you're probably the last person on earth from
whom I'd accept criticism of my use of language.
no i will not

and frankly you are clearly lying you accept no correction from anyone
on anything

That's simply untrue. I just wouldn't accept it from one who is
incapable of telling correct from incorrect.

I am dyslexic but I know basic word formation what excuse are you
wanting to use

No, Mark, you don't even know basic word formation, sentence formation,
paragraph formation or punctuation.

I certinaly do know it dave

Let's test it on your sentence above: "I certinaly do know it dave"
The word "certainly" is misspelled. There is no comma after "it" and
"Dave" is capitalized. Other than your three errors in the one, short
sentence, you're perfect.

but you lie I simply don't think RRAP is worth the trouble of using
them

"Anything worth doing is worth doing right".

Dave K8MN

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From: Dave Heil on Fri, Jan 20 2006 6:11 am

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Jan 19 2006 7:43 am
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:

I didn't write of "amateurism", Len. I wrote of amateur radio.

Can't you get ANYTHING right?

You wrote of AMATEUR radio. That is AMATEURISM.

I wrote of amateur RADIO, not "amateurism".

You wrote of AMATEUR radio, David.

If it is an AMATEUR endeavor, it is about AMATEURISM.

[do you have an aneurism interfering with the concept of
"amateur" activity as "amateurism"?]


Tsk, tsk, tsk, by Heilian Rules: NO ONE can "become
interested" in amateur radio UNLESS they ALREADY have
an amateur radio license!

I didn't say that at all. If you've been interested for decades in
amateur radio (and you've been telling us that for almost a decade), you
aren't really interested in amateur radio.

I'm not?!? Tsk, tsk, you definition of "really interested"
seems mired in being federally licensed to specific radio
bands and modes as in AMATEUR radio.

I've been interested in ALL radio. Amateur radio is a PART
of that. My interest in radio is roughly six decades long,
not just one, David. [I DO wish you would pay attention]


If you had been, you'd have acted upon your interest.

I have acted, both as an amateur and a professional. :-)

However, the pay for a professional actor (live, on stage)
is so little it might as well be on the amateur level
(no compensation).


You aren't going for your first amateur radio license exam.

I'm not? Do I have to "check in" with Herr Robust in order
to "do" something? :-)

You aren't doing doodly-squat.

Untrue. I sometimes doodle while on the telephone. However,
I've never "squatted" and doodled. :-)

Six years ago, you were going for your "Extra right
out of the box". For six years, you've done nothing.

"Nothing?!?" :-)

Ah, NOT APPROVED by Herr Robust und his Kommandments! :-)


Your chicken stayed on the same side of the road, all the while
expressing "interest" in roads.

Untrue! In the last six years I've driven in excess of
eighteen thousand miles on roads. Of course, I've obeyed
the traffic rules and NOT driven on the "other side of the
road" except where legally permissable (as in passing
another vehicle on two-lane roads).


What I wrote is fact.

Pfffttttt...

What "you wrote" is a lot of moralistic claptrap designed
by yourself to win message points. :-)

If you have no license, you may not participate.

"if da glove don't fit, you must acquit!"

What ARE you, Herr Robust, an AMATEUR Johnnie Cochrane? :-)


You may be "interested" in obtaining a pilot's license.

Not now. I once was, but the cost of aircraft ownership was
prohibitive then, still is. :-)

You may tell
anyone on the planet that you have an interest in obtaining a pilot's
license.

Why must I tell "everyone?" :-)

You may even do so for decades.

I haven't.

You may talk at great length about flying.

I can, but aerodynamics, meteorology, aircraft technology is
not necessarily related to being licensed as a pilot.

You may have a few friends who are pilots.

I do.

You may haunt a pilot's newsgroup.

I don't.

But you don't become a pilot until you obtain the license.

Untrue. Only to be a LEGAL pilot, Herr Robust.

I really don't know WHY you introduce this NON-subject into
an amateur radio policy newsgroup, Herr Robust. You are
venturing far afield from the general subject matter.


Your claim of decades of interest in amateur radio is itself nearly a
decade old.

Much, much OLDER, David? Can't you get ANYTHING right?

I'm going by what you've told us. Perhaps you supplied erroneous
information.

I've stated my interest in RADIO began about in 1947. Do the
math. 2006 - 1947 = 59. About six decades. I've written
that before in here. That your memory is erroneous is not
my problem.


RADIO (in general) is fascinating stuff to me. So much
so that I made radio-electronics my career choice.

Not "radio, Len. "Amateur radio". Nobody makes amateur radio a career
choice.

No? :-) Who started Ham Radio Outlet? Henry Radio? A host
of other sales and service organizations specializing in
amateur radio? :-)

How about the ARRL BoD? The officers and staff that get
paid? :-)

How about all the pipe-dreamers imagining themselves as
radio-gods-of-the-air busy "saving lives" through their
"working the bands" and "working DX on HF with CW?" :-)

Why some of them have had "seven hostile actions"
experienced in doing so! :-)


You're confused. We're discussing "amateur radio". You've expressed a
decades-long interest.

Tsk, tsk, you've contradicted yourself again!

First you say "my interest has only been for a decade," and now you
make decades a plural. Is your reasoning "erroneous?"

You've never acted.

Oh, my, an acting critic! Should I tear up my AFTRA card? :-)

Herr Robust, I may not be of "Oscar" thespianship but I HAVE
acted. :-)


You've never even made a move toward obtaining the license.

"Move?!?" You are now insisting I MOVE? Why? I OWN this
land and house...in two states. NO mortage, no liens, no
debts...on both of them.

Well, yes, the southern California residence is NOT good for
HF propagation to my north to east direction, but that is
NOT a good reason why I should give up this SoCal residence
and MOVE north to Washington.

You are getting very, very severe in your demands!


Six years ago, you stated that you were obtaining an "Extra right out of
the box". The box is sealed.

So, SUE me on some "breach of promise" civil action! :-)

Make it your lifelong goal of showing me in the worst
possible darkness of moral-ethical light for NOT doing
something YOU INSIST on my doing?

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In March I will have held a
COMMERCIAL RADIO LICENSE (First Class Radiotelephone)
for 50 years!

I don't care if you hold it for another fifty years.

Tsk, tsk...the only thing you CARE about is to win message
points in here! :-)


That doesn't make you a licensed radio amateur.

I never said it did! :-)


Amateurs! That's right, Len. Radio amateurs are AMATEURS.

...then they are into AMATEURISM, aren't they? :-)


I've never claimed to be a god of radio.

Tsk, tsk, then quit acting like one.

Or get the appropriate Guild membership for your acting. :-)


I don't lay down rules in amateur radio, Len.

No? Then why all your moral-ethical "lecturing" on who should
do what, all under YOUR commandments?


I've already told you that I'm not a god of radio and that I don't know
anyone else who believes himself to be a god of radio.

Tsk, then quit dropping those stone tablets in here upon
which are graven the Commandments. A Moses you ain't.


That's the only kind of radio amateur I know of, Len.

Which Commandment is that? [try not to throw those tablets
down so HARD next time...one of them broke...]



Fine, Len. You're an amateur radio/electronics hobbyist.

Are there "professional" hobbyists? :-)


I'm sure there are a number of newsgroups set up just for guys like you.
I think it'd be nice if you had a place to meet with like-minded
individuals.

There are several. :-)

It might even ease your frustration over years you've wasted in r.r.a.p.

"Wasted?" :-) I get a great deal of enjoyment in here,
puncturing all the ego balloons of the self-righteous
"professional amateurs!" :-)

Especially those self-proclaimed (self-ordained?) gods of radio!


Don't attempt at giving orders here, Leonard.

Why? Do I impinge on your imagined "bossmanship" in here?

Because you hold no authority to do so.

But YOU do? :-)



I acknowledged that you've claimed a decades-long interest in amateur
radio but that you've not acted upon that interest.

Gosh, Herr Robust, you should have warned the late Jim Fisk
of that "lack of (proper) interest" when he accepted several
articles of mine for Ham Radio magazine! And then Alf Wilson
(who took over as editor-in-chief) who made me an Associate
Editor at Ham Radio magazine (check the "mastheads" for
confirmation). Or Rich Rosen who kept me on the staff for
a while.

You tend to play
the guy who is just getting ready to enter amateur radio.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't.

Do I have to TAKE OUT A CONTRACT WITH YOU in order to "prove"
something?!? :-)

I guess I do. Damn, but those stone tablets of yours have
some deep gravings on them!

Don't drop those tablets again, okay? They give me a
headache.


Did you find something incorrect in my statement?

Several. Keep reading, there's more...


What I wrote is RELEVANT NOW.

It might be relevant now, but you aren't--to the FCC or to amateur radio.

Tsk, tsk, now you are contradicting yourself again!

Illogic. If I am NOT "relevant" then I can't be "entering
amateur radio," can I? :-)


Search all through Title 47
C.F.R. as you wish but NO commissioner or staff of the FCC
is required to hold, be granted ANY FCC radio license in
order to regulate and enforce ALL of United States civil
radio.

That'll be relevant to you when and if you are ever hired by or
appointed to the Commission.

Now, now, your hissy-fit snarling has you all confused.

What I wrote is very much relevant to any citizen of the
United States and anyone who holds a reciprocal-agreement
radio license. Employment by the FCC is NOT required.


Of of these days, you might achieve neophyte status.
I'm not banking on it.

"Of of?" Are you stuttering in frustration or rage?

Well, that kind of dumps my optimistic hope of you into the
dumpster. I would have thought you'd learn by now (after
seven years) to be a civil human being in here...not acting
like some god of radio issuing Commandments on What To Do
and How To Do It.

"Neophyte?"

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you now "defining" AMATEUR radio as some sort of trade,
craft, or guild that requires "years of experience" in
order to be a true "professional amateur?" :-)


Amateur radio and its activities are NO SECRET.

No, they aren't. That makes it even more peculiar that a guy with those
decades of interest in amateur radio couldn't have taken the logical
step of acting upon that interest.

Tsk, tsk, you REDEFINE "interst" into some sort of FANATICISM!


Actually, you (the non-radio amateur) seemed to be telling me what to
do.

Tsk, tsk, I wouldn't attempt the impossible! :-)

You aren't in control of my actions on or off the air, Len. I'll
do as I please. You may do as you can.

I "may?" Oh, thank you, thank you, Your Emminance!

Your kind and gentle condescension is so warm!


I'm bound and determined to show you up as the clay-footed pretender
that you are.

Now, now, you are getting all snarly again... :-)


You are NOT a god of radio who
can tell others what to like, dislike, desire, hate, or be
involved in...but you sincerely TRY to do that...

I thought I'd already pointed out the fact that I've never claimed to be
a god of radio, Len.

Tsk, tsk, and now you've gone and made a hypocrite of yourself!

Remember...you just wrote "I may do as I can?" :-)

Your Emminance, your aura of radiance is blinding. Turn it
down a bit, please...


You don't have to like amateur radio. You don't have to dislike amateur
radio. You don't have to desire amateur radio. You don't have to hate
amateur radio. You certainly don't have to be involved in amateur
radio.

Wow! A THIRD Tablet brought down from some burning Bush!

You are one step ahead of Moses! :-)


You aren't here in the cozy lodge hall, Len.

True, the Burbank Elks Club Lodge Hall is being rebuilt (it is on
Hollywood Way near Bob Hope Airport in Burbank, CA).

You're doomed to spend your days on the outside looking in.

Well, YES, until it is finished and inspected. Until then,
unless I am employed by the contractor, I can't go in there.



All I do is state what so many
licensed radio amateurs DO, act like, behave.

You don't even know "many" licensed radio amateurs.

Only a few dozen personally. :-)

However, it is easy to read the opinions of hundreds more in the
public forums available for viewing on the Internet. :-)

Hams aren't about to kow-tow to the likes of you.

Sorry, Herr Moses II, I've not been up on any mountain
and lugging down tablets of Commandments.

[your tablets are giving me a headache...it should be the
other way around...]

Some of those
are simply assholes who think their feces emits no odor.
David, you act like one of those.

Maybe you can find a hobby more to your liking--one in which the
long-time participants will hang on your every word.

In other words, you "feel threatened" by my presence in
here? :-)

Or are you implying you are already "so well hung" that
you resent others pointing out your "short-comings?" :-)

Gosh, Herr Robust, you swing wildly on your Sermons on the
Antenna Mount in here! Seems like you are telling me to
"shut up!" :-)



Having been granted a federal AMATEUR radio license is NOT some
grant to be of better moral or ethical status than anyone else.

Moral or ethical status? What are you prattling on about?

That was in YOUR Sermon! :-)



You haven't got one.

I'm not involved with food products and try to avoid contact
with swine. However, sometimes contact with swine is just
unavoidable. :-)

Like, when your gnawing on a pork chop?

Tsk, tsk, improper use of a contraction...as in "you're" rather
than the "your" you wrote. Please use apostrophes properly.

Move your vowels every day or you'll get consonated.



I don't think of you as a "word-enemy" or "message knuckle", Len. I
prefer to think of you as a horse's patoot.

As a "superior" god of radio, I'm sure you consider yourself
above needs of civility in conversing with ordinary mortals.
Therefore, you feel free to insult, demean, and say nasty to
anyone who doesn't agree with you. shrug

One more example of today's USA "superior" radio amateur, a
role model of behavior for all to emulate...

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:31:31 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

an old friend wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:11:06 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Jan 19 2006 7:43 am

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:
I didn't write of "amateurism", Len. I wrote of amateur radio.
Can't you get ANYTHING right?

You wrote of AMATEUR radio. That is AMATEURISM.
I wrote of amateur RADIO, not "amateurism".
I guessyou don't know english that well
Forgive me, Colonel, but you're probably the last person on earth from
whom I'd accept criticism of my use of language.
no i will not

and frankly you are clearly lying you accept no correction from anyone
on anything

That's simply untrue. I just wouldn't accept it from one who is
incapable of telling correct from incorrect.
which according to you is basicaly everybody

it quite true you have accepted accepted any correection here on RRAP
while I have been here
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On 20 Jan 2006 15:00:20 -0800, wrote:

From: Dave Heil on Fri, Jan 20 2006 6:11 am

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Jan 19 2006 7:43 am
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:
cut

You may be "interested" in obtaining a pilot's license.

Not now. I once was, but the cost of aircraft ownership was
prohibitive then, still is. :-)

You may tell
anyone on the planet that you have an interest in obtaining a pilot's
license.

Why must I tell "everyone?" :-)

or anyone

You may even do so for decades.
cut

You may haunt a pilot's newsgroup.

I don't.

But you don't become a pilot until you obtain the license.

Untrue. Only to be a LEGAL pilot, Herr Robust.

I really don't know WHY you introduce this NON-subject into
an amateur radio policy newsgroup, Herr Robust. You are
venturing far afield from the general subject matter.

Sorry lLen I have to call you on that
you know exactly why Dave is doing this

he has nothing of value to say and so is resorting to bloviation to
try to confuse the unwary


Your claim of decades of interest in amateur radio is itself nearly a
decade old.

Much, much OLDER, David? Can't you get ANYTHING right?

I'm going by what you've told us. Perhaps you supplied erroneous
information.

I've stated my interest in RADIO began about in 1947. Do the
math. 2006 - 1947 = 59. About six decades. I've written
that before in here. That your memory is erroneous is not
my problem.


RADIO (in general) is fascinating stuff to me. So much
so that I made radio-electronics my career choice.

Not "radio, Len. "Amateur radio". Nobody makes amateur radio a career
choice.

No? :-) Who started Ham Radio Outlet? Henry Radio? A host
of other sales and service organizations specializing in
amateur radio? :-)

How about the ARRL BoD? The officers and staff that get
paid? :-)

How about all the pipe-dreamers imagining themselves as
radio-gods-of-the-air busy "saving lives" through their
"working the bands" and "working DX on HF with CW?" :-)

Why some of them have had "seven hostile actions"
experienced in doing so! :-)


You're confused. We're discussing "amateur radio". You've expressed a
decades-long interest.

Tsk, tsk, you've contradicted yourself again!

First you say "my interest has only been for a decade," and now you
make decades a plural. Is your reasoning "erroneous?"

You've never acted.

Oh, my, an acting critic! Should I tear up my AFTRA card? :-)

Herr Robust, I may not be of "Oscar" thespianship but I HAVE
acted. :-)


You've never even made a move toward obtaining the license.

"Move?!?" You are now insisting I MOVE? Why? I OWN this
land and house...in two states. NO mortage, no liens, no
debts...on both of them.

Well, yes, the southern California residence is NOT good for
HF propagation to my north to east direction, but that is
NOT a good reason why I should give up this SoCal residence
and MOVE north to Washington.

You are getting very, very severe in your demands!


Six years ago, you stated that you were obtaining an "Extra right out of
the box". The box is sealed.

So, SUE me on some "breach of promise" civil action! :-)

Make it your lifelong goal of showing me in the worst
possible darkness of moral-ethical light for NOT doing
something YOU INSIST on my doing?

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In March I will have held a
COMMERCIAL RADIO LICENSE (First Class Radiotelephone)
for 50 years!

I don't care if you hold it for another fifty years.

Tsk, tsk...the only thing you CARE about is to win message
points in here! :-)


That doesn't make you a licensed radio amateur.

I never said it did! :-)


Amateurs! That's right, Len. Radio amateurs are AMATEURS.

...then they are into AMATEURISM, aren't they? :-)


I've never claimed to be a god of radio.

Tsk, tsk, then quit acting like one.

Or get the appropriate Guild membership for your acting. :-)


I don't lay down rules in amateur radio, Len.

No? Then why all your moral-ethical "lecturing" on who should
do what, all under YOUR commandments?


I've already told you that I'm not a god of radio and that I don't know
anyone else who believes himself to be a god of radio.

Tsk, then quit dropping those stone tablets in here upon
which are graven the Commandments. A Moses you ain't.


That's the only kind of radio amateur I know of, Len.

Which Commandment is that? [try not to throw those tablets
down so HARD next time...one of them broke...]



Fine, Len. You're an amateur radio/electronics hobbyist.

Are there "professional" hobbyists? :-)


I'm sure there are a number of newsgroups set up just for guys like you.
I think it'd be nice if you had a place to meet with like-minded
individuals.

There are several. :-)

It might even ease your frustration over years you've wasted in r.r.a.p.

"Wasted?" :-) I get a great deal of enjoyment in here,
puncturing all the ego balloons of the self-righteous
"professional amateurs!" :-)

Especially those self-proclaimed (self-ordained?) gods of radio!


Don't attempt at giving orders here, Leonard.

Why? Do I impinge on your imagined "bossmanship" in here?

Because you hold no authority to do so.

But YOU do? :-)



I acknowledged that you've claimed a decades-long interest in amateur
radio but that you've not acted upon that interest.

Gosh, Herr Robust, you should have warned the late Jim Fisk
of that "lack of (proper) interest" when he accepted several
articles of mine for Ham Radio magazine! And then Alf Wilson
(who took over as editor-in-chief) who made me an Associate
Editor at Ham Radio magazine (check the "mastheads" for
confirmation). Or Rich Rosen who kept me on the staff for
a while.

You tend to play
the guy who is just getting ready to enter amateur radio.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't.

Do I have to TAKE OUT A CONTRACT WITH YOU in order to "prove"
something?!? :-)

I guess I do. Damn, but those stone tablets of yours have
some deep gravings on them!

Don't drop those tablets again, okay? They give me a
headache.


Did you find something incorrect in my statement?

Several. Keep reading, there's more...


What I wrote is RELEVANT NOW.

It might be relevant now, but you aren't--to the FCC or to amateur radio.

Tsk, tsk, now you are contradicting yourself again!

Illogic. If I am NOT "relevant" then I can't be "entering
amateur radio," can I? :-)


Search all through Title 47
C.F.R. as you wish but NO commissioner or staff of the FCC
is required to hold, be granted ANY FCC radio license in
order to regulate and enforce ALL of United States civil
radio.

That'll be relevant to you when and if you are ever hired by or
appointed to the Commission.

Now, now, your hissy-fit snarling has you all confused.

What I wrote is very much relevant to any citizen of the
United States and anyone who holds a reciprocal-agreement
radio license. Employment by the FCC is NOT required.


Of of these days, you might achieve neophyte status.
I'm not banking on it.

"Of of?" Are you stuttering in frustration or rage?

Well, that kind of dumps my optimistic hope of you into the
dumpster. I would have thought you'd learn by now (after
seven years) to be a civil human being in here...not acting
like some god of radio issuing Commandments on What To Do
and How To Do It.

"Neophyte?"

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you now "defining" AMATEUR radio as some sort of trade,
craft, or guild that requires "years of experience" in
order to be a true "professional amateur?" :-)


Amateur radio and its activities are NO SECRET.

No, they aren't. That makes it even more peculiar that a guy with those
decades of interest in amateur radio couldn't have taken the logical
step of acting upon that interest.

Tsk, tsk, you REDEFINE "interst" into some sort of FANATICISM!


Actually, you (the non-radio amateur) seemed to be telling me what to
do.

Tsk, tsk, I wouldn't attempt the impossible! :-)

You aren't in control of my actions on or off the air, Len. I'll
do as I please. You may do as you can.

I "may?" Oh, thank you, thank you, Your Emminance!

Your kind and gentle condescension is so warm!


I'm bound and determined to show you up as the clay-footed pretender
that you are.

Now, now, you are getting all snarly again... :-)


You are NOT a god of radio who
can tell others what to like, dislike, desire, hate, or be
involved in...but you sincerely TRY to do that...

I thought I'd already pointed out the fact that I've never claimed to be
a god of radio, Len.

Tsk, tsk, and now you've gone and made a hypocrite of yourself!

Remember...you just wrote "I may do as I can?" :-)

Your Emminance, your aura of radiance is blinding. Turn it
down a bit, please...


You don't have to like amateur radio. You don't have to dislike amateur
radio. You don't have to desire amateur radio. You don't have to hate
amateur radio. You certainly don't have to be involved in amateur
radio.

Wow! A THIRD Tablet brought down from some burning Bush!

You are one step ahead of Moses! :-)


You aren't here in the cozy lodge hall, Len.

True, the Burbank Elks Club Lodge Hall is being rebuilt (it is on
Hollywood Way near Bob Hope Airport in Burbank, CA).

You're doomed to spend your days on the outside looking in.

Well, YES, until it is finished and inspected. Until then,
unless I am employed by the contractor, I can't go in there.



All I do is state what so many
licensed radio amateurs DO, act like, behave.

You don't even know "many" licensed radio amateurs.

Only a few dozen personally. :-)

However, it is easy to read the opinions of hundreds more in the
public forums available for viewing on the Internet. :-)

Hams aren't about to kow-tow to the likes of you.

Sorry, Herr Moses II, I've not been up on any mountain
and lugging down tablets of Commandments.

[your tablets are giving me a headache...it should be the
other way around...]

Some of those
are simply assholes who think their feces emits no odor.
David, you act like one of those.

Maybe you can find a hobby more to your liking--one in which the
long-time participants will hang on your every word.

In other words, you "feel threatened" by my presence in
here? :-)

Or are you implying you are already "so well hung" that
you resent others pointing out your "short-comings?" :-)

Gosh, Herr Robust, you swing wildly on your Sermons on the
Antenna Mount in here! Seems like you are telling me to
"shut up!" :-)



Having been granted a federal AMATEUR radio license is NOT some
grant to be of better moral or ethical status than anyone else.

Moral or ethical status? What are you prattling on about?

That was in YOUR Sermon! :-)



You haven't got one.

I'm not involved with food products and try to avoid contact
with swine. However, sometimes contact with swine is just
unavoidable. :-)

Like, when your gnawing on a pork chop?

Tsk, tsk, improper use of a contraction...as in "you're" rather
than the "your" you wrote. Please use apostrophes properly.

Move your vowels every day or you'll get consonated.



I don't think of you as a "word-enemy" or "message knuckle", Len. I
prefer to think of you as a horse's patoot.

As a "superior" god of radio, I'm sure you consider yourself
above needs of civility in conversing with ordinary mortals.
Therefore, you feel free to insult, demean, and say nasty to
anyone who doesn't agree with you. shrug

One more example of today's USA "superior" radio amateur, a
role model of behavior for all to emulate...




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From: on Jan 20, 4:20 pm

On 20 Jan 2006 15:00:20 -0800, wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Fri, Jan 20 2006 6:11 am
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Jan 19 2006 7:43 am
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:

cut

You may be "interested" in obtaining a pilot's license.

Not now. I once was, but the cost of aircraft ownership was
prohibitive then, still is. :-)

You may tell
anyone on the planet that you have an interest in obtaining a pilot's
license.

Why must I tell "everyone?" :-)

or anyone

You may even do so for decades.
cut

You may haunt a pilot's newsgroup.

I don't.

But you don't become a pilot until you obtain the license.

Untrue. Only to be a LEGAL pilot, Herr Robust.

I really don't know WHY you introduce this NON-subject into
an amateur radio policy newsgroup, Herr Robust. You are
venturing far afield from the general subject matter.

Sorry lLen I have to call you on that
you know exactly why Dave is doing this

Well, true enough, Mark...but I have to be KIND to the
old man. He IS a "superior" amateur, you see (by
his own description)...:-)

he has nothing of value to say and so is resorting to bloviation to
try to confuse the unwary

He doesn't confuse me, he doesn't confuse you, and probably
doesn't confuse anyone else. Just himself in thinking he had
some kind of sharp retort by that "analogy." :-)

Well, now Herr Robust is going to get all hissy-fitting again
and send a very lonnnnnng reply full of nastygram remarks.

SOP :-)

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On 20 Jan 2006 18:07:21 -0800, wrote:

From: on Jan 20, 4:20 pm

On 20 Jan 2006 15:00:20 -0800, wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Fri, Jan 20 2006 6:11 am
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Jan 19 2006 7:43 am
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:

cut
Untrue. Only to be a LEGAL pilot, Herr Robust.

I really don't know WHY you introduce this NON-subject into
an amateur radio policy newsgroup, Herr Robust. You are
venturing far afield from the general subject matter.

Sorry lLen I have to call you on that
you know exactly why Dave is doing this

Well, true enough, Mark...but I have to be KIND to the
old man. He IS a "superior" amateur, you see (by
his own description)...:-)

you are far kidier to him than he deserves

BTW did you read going about how he says I say you lie about me, I
think he worked himself off that deep finaly

he has nothing of value to say and so is resorting to bloviation to
try to confuse the unwary

He doesn't confuse me, he doesn't confuse you, and probably
doesn't confuse anyone else. Just himself in thinking he had
some kind of sharp retort by that "analogy." :-)

Oh He confuses me some I'll give hi his due. It is confusing to look
sucha prefromance and imagine that there is a life from at the other
end

Well, now Herr Robust is going to get all hissy-fitting again
and send a very lonnnnnng reply full of nastygram remarks.

SOP :-)



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On 18 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0800, wrote in
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From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm

wrote:

Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.

You have a point, Leonard.

One example would be your involvement in amateur radio.

CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######?

Obviously NOT, judging by trotting out that old sway-backed
"involvement" nonsense. Amateurism is NOT a closed
community. There are only the close-minded individuals in
amateur radio who imagine themselves gods of radio.

Listen UP, David.....


Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc:

You don't need a license to build a receiver. You don't need a license
to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to
get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the
spectrum with very low power; or to design and build a band-specific
antenna on a tower; or to study and learn radio fundamentals; or even
to transmit from a licensed amateur station provided it is supervised
by the station's licensee. You don't need a license to be an amateur.
Even as a PROFESSIONAL in the field of radio I didn't need a license.
Basically, the only thing an Amateur Radio License grants you is the
ability to transmit at power levels greater than those specified in
Part 15. Every other aspect of amateur radio communication can be done
-WITHOUT A LICENSE-. The sooner these sooper-dooper hambos realize
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 18 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0800, wrote in
.com:

From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm

wrote:

Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.

You have a point, Leonard.

One example would be your involvement in amateur radio.

CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######?

Obviously NOT, judging by trotting out that old sway-backed
"involvement" nonsense. Amateurism is NOT a closed
community. There are only the close-minded individuals in
amateur radio who imagine themselves gods of radio.

Listen UP, David.....


Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc:

You don't need a license to build a receiver. You don't need a license
to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to
get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the
spectrum with very low power;...(SNIP)

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

(UNSNIP)...or to design and build a band-specific
antenna on a tower; or to study and learn radio fundamentals; or even
to transmit from a licensed amateur station provided it is supervised
by the station's licensee...(SNIP)

".....provided it is supervised by the station's licensee..."

Which means NOT you or Lennie, Frankie.

(UNSNIP)...You don't need a license to be an amateur....(SNIP)

More wordsmithing.

You DO need a licesne to be a Radio Amateur.

You do NOT need a license to be a radio hobbyist.

Even as a PROFESSIONAL in the field of radio I didn't need a license.
Basically, the only thing an Amateur Radio License grants you is the
ability to transmit at power levels greater than those specified in
Part 15. Every other aspect of amateur radio communication can be done
-WITHOUT A LICENSE-. The sooner these sooper-dooper hambos realize
this little factoid the better.

Frankie, you can wear a biklini, play a fiddle while sipping a
milk shake, do charitable church work and recite "I Want World Peace"
over and over, and you'll still not going to be "Miss America".

And no amount of rationalizing or tap-dancing about what you can
do without an Amateur license will ever make you or Lennie licensed
Radio Amateurs. Only passing the requisite FCC exams at a VE session
will ever do that.

And Frankie...

No amount of trying to "best" another Marine will ever make up for
the ####-poor performance YOU put out.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Robeson's Rules
 

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:37:12 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On 18 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0800, wrote in
s.com:

From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm

wrote:

Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.

You have a point, Leonard.

One example would be your involvement in amateur radio.

CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######?

Obviously NOT, judging by trotting out that old sway-backed
"involvement" nonsense. Amateurism is NOT a closed
community. There are only the close-minded individuals in
amateur radio who imagine themselves gods of radio.

Listen UP, David.....


Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc:

You don't need a license to build a receiver. You don't need a license
to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to
get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the
spectrum with very low power; or to design and build a band-specific
antenna on a tower; or to study and learn radio fundamentals; or even
to transmit from a licensed amateur station provided it is supervised
by the station's licensee. You don't need a license to be an amateur.
Even as a PROFESSIONAL in the field of radio I didn't need a license.
Basically, the only thing an Amateur Radio License grants you is the
ability to transmit at power levels greater than those specified in
Part 15. Every other aspect of amateur radio communication can be done
-WITHOUT A LICENSE-. The sooner these sooper-dooper hambos realize
this little factoid the better.

dave doesn't/can't face the truth neither can Jim or Steve or many
othersN










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On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
snip
Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc:

You don't need a license to build a receiver. You don't need a license
to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to
get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the
spectrum with very low power;...(SNIP)

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...


Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

http://www.lwca.org/sitepage/part15/index.htm










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Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

Steve, K4YZ

Feeble Five Flailings
 

K4YZ wrote:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

And by the way, Frankie...

I see you took time to answer THIS post, but avoided the one
wherein you desperately need to dislodge your head from your rectal
vault.

Guess that had to hurt, though...But it could have been avoided by
NOT publishing a post that was so blatantly stupid in the first
place...

Steve, K4YZ

steve puts down a segment of the hobby
 

K4YZ wrote:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

realy it wasn't clear uou knew that

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

why is that a criteria?

Steve, K4YZ

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an_old_friend wrote:

A blatant lie: " steve puts down a segment of the hobby"

K4YZ wrote:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

realy it wasn't clear uou knew that

What's a(n) "uou"...?!?!

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

why is that a criteria?

Because Frankie wants to make a point that it's possible to operate
an unlicensed transmitter on HF spectrum. That's true.

However at those power levels one cannot communicate effectively
and consistently.

If all you want to do is be able to claim you radiate RF on HF, be
my guest...Fire up all the Part 15 transmitters you want to in any mode
you want to.

Good luck.

Steve, K4YZ

steve puts down a segment of the hobby"
 

K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

A blatant lie: " steve puts down a segment of the hobby"

absolute truth steve

you put down a section of the hobby

K4YZ wrote:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

realy it wasn't clear uou knew that
cuting stev playing spelling cop
Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

why is that a criteria?

Because Frankie wants to make a point that it's possible to operate
an unlicensed transmitter on HF spectrum. That's true.
and you lied and deined it at first

you lied ateve

Feeble Five Flailings
 

On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...


Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to
have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks
for several -decades-; regardless.....

http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm

And I make consistent contacts with another lowfer about 80 miles to
my SSW (basaltic soil seems to provide an excellent medium for
ground-wave propogation, although snow is better and salt-water is
-much- better). My ERP is 0.031 watts.








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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:45:16 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:


Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...


Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to
have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks
for several -decades-; regardless.....

http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm

And I make consistent contacts with another lowfer about 80 miles to
my SSW (basaltic soil seems to provide an excellent medium for
ground-wave propogation, although snow is better and salt-water is
-much- better). My ERP is 0.031 watts.
not bad
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From: Frank Gilliland on Jan 24, 12:37 am

On 18 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0800, wrote in
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:


Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.

You have a point, Leonard.

One example would be your involvement in amateur radio.

CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######?

Obviously NOT, judging by trotting out that old sway-backed
"involvement" nonsense. Amateurism is NOT a closed
community. There are only the close-minded individuals in
amateur radio who imagine themselves gods of radio.

Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc:

You don't need a license to build a receiver.

...nor build a transmitter.

You don't need a license
to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to
get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the
spectrum with very low power; or to design and build a band-specific
antenna on a tower; or to study and learn radio fundamentals; or even
to transmit from a licensed amateur station provided it is supervised
by the station's licensee. You don't need a license to be an amateur.

By Heilian Rules one MUST have an amateur radio license in
order to "qualify" (by Heil's "definition") as a amateur.

That's very important to Heil. He has specified as well
as defined and his word is paramount. :-)

Even as a PROFESSIONAL in the field of radio I didn't need a license.

Nor did I for the vast majority of DoD contract work I did.

DoD contracts on RF emission generally do NOT require
any contractee or employees to hold any civilian radio
operator license. The DoD contract terms were very
specific and many, many references to MIL STDs and
other documents. None had any mention of "amateur
radio licensing."


Basically, the only thing an Amateur Radio License grants you is the
ability to transmit at power levels greater than those specified in
Part 15.

But ONLY INSIDE the allocated radio amateur bands and then
ONLY using the allocated modes/modulations for amateurs.

The minute those amateur radio licensees operate OUTSIDE
those ham bands/frequencies, they are ILLEGAL unless they
have OTHER radio operator licenses such as Commercial or
MARS.

Every other aspect of amateur radio communication can be done
-WITHOUT A LICENSE-. The sooner these sooper-dooper hambos realize
this little factoid the better.

Sorry, Frank, but those "sooper-dooper hambos" have their
FIXATION on their "federally-authorized status" as "official"
amateur radio operators with licenses. Very important self-
definition of their "officialdom."

Rather than enjoy the "magic" of radio communications, those
"sooper-dooper hambos" would rather make themselves into some
guild-craft-union "authorized" "qualified" "federally licensed"
super-beings-of-radio who think they have the "power" to talk
down to "lesser" humans by virtue of their federally-authorized
license grant.

A further sign of that is the constant use of "official" as
a word to denote "what hams do, use (in jargon, forms from
the ARRL such as "radiogram" forms, and definitions as
made by the ARRL). There is only ONE way to "do" amateur
radio and that is by the traditionally-established methods,
terminology, abbreviations (as used on "CW"). Amateur radio
to them is MUCH MORE than a hobby, a recreation done for
personal enjoyment, a non-pecuniary-compensation activity.
It is a LIFESTYLE and the raison d'etre of their apparent
being. shrug

We must all DO as they do, THINK as they think, PERFORM to
their levels of achievement, or we are the subject of
countless demeanings, denigrations for not being as superb
as they. shrug

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Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to
have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks
for several -decades-; regardless.....

Yes...Propagation on that band made it useful for navigation.

NOW...SHOW US where the government ran those beacons at Part 15
power levels.

http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm

Interesting site. I also note that it's over 5 years old and
without updates since. The Twin Towers were still standing when that
site was last touched by the "owner".

Another interesting point is that the site does NOT mention YOU.

And I make consistent contacts with another lowfer about 80 miles to
my SSW (basaltic soil seems to provide an excellent medium for
ground-wave propogation, although snow is better and salt-water is
-much- better). My ERP is 0.031 watts.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Eighty miles, eh...?!?!

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooo (un)impressed.

Steve, K4YZ

Feeble Five Flailings
 

wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:45:16 -0800, Frankie of Silliland
wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
s.com:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to
have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks
for several -decades-; regardless.....

http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm

And I make consistent contacts with another lowfer about 80 miles to
my SSW (basaltic soil seems to provide an excellent medium for
ground-wave propogation, although snow is better and salt-water is
-much- better). My ERP is 0.031 watts.

not bad

I am sure he knew YOU would be impressed, Markie.

Steve, K4YZ

Feeble Five Flailings
 

On 26 Jan 2006 01:07:07 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:


Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to
have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks
for several -decades-; regardless.....

Yes...Propagation on that band made it useful for navigation.

NOW...SHOW US where the government ran those beacons at Part 15
power levels.
why ?
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On 26 Jan 2006 01:07:07 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
om:


Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 11:03:33 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
.com:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 24 Jan 2006 06:40:31 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
.com:

SO little power that, if you do so legally, can't be heard across
the parking lot, let alone across town, state or country...

Well, I can't let this opportunity slide by.....

Yes, Frankie...we all know of the occassions where someone has made
some amazing contacts using miliwatt powers...

Now...Make those contacts CONSISTENTLY...

Propogation on the band is consistent enough for the government to
have used it for radionavigation and emergency communications networks
for several -decades-; regardless.....

Yes...Propagation on that band made it useful for navigation.

NOW...SHOW US where the government ran those beacons at Part 15
power levels.


Show me where I made such a claim.


http://home.att.net/~weatheradio/part15.htm

Interesting site. I also note that it's over 5 years old and
without updates since. The Twin Towers were still standing when that
site was last touched by the "owner".


Did something happen in the last five years to change the luminiferous
ether so that it will no longer propogate LW radio signals?


Another interesting point is that the site does NOT mention YOU.


Why should it? I don't run a beacon.


And I make consistent contacts with another lowfer about 80 miles to
my SSW (basaltic soil seems to provide an excellent medium for
ground-wave propogation, although snow is better and salt-water is
-much- better). My ERP is 0.031 watts.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Eighty miles, eh...?!?!

I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooo (un)impressed.


That's because you are an idiot.


Steve "Yellow Dog" Robeson, K4YZ


Who's your lawyer, Dud?








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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

wrote:
From: Frank Gilliland on Jan 24, 12:37 am

On 18 Jan 2006 22:49:14 -0800, wrote in
From: Dave Heil on Jan 18, 8:26 pm
wrote:


Poseurs DO have that problem..."tripping the light fantastic"
all the time.
You have a point, Leonard.
One example would be your involvement in amateur radio.
CAN'T YOU GET ANYTHING RIGHT, DAVID D#######?
Obviously NOT, judging by trotting out that old sway-backed
"involvement" nonsense. Amateurism is NOT a closed
community. There are only the close-minded individuals in
amateur radio who imagine themselves gods of radio.
Ditto. And I gotta add my two pieces of zinc:

You don't need a license to build a receiver.

...nor build a transmitter.

You don't need a license
to listen to shortwave broadcasts; or to work a CB or FRS radio; or to
get a station's card (I have hundreds); or to transmit on most of the
spectrum with very low power; or to design and build a band-specific
antenna on a tower; or to study and learn radio fundamentals; or even
to transmit from a licensed amateur station provided it is supervised
by the station's licensee. You don't need a license to be an amateur.

By Heilian Rules one MUST have an amateur radio license in
order to "qualify" (by Heil's "definition") as a amateur.

Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue
to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a
radio amateur, you must pass required exams.


Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams.
To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the
hobby. Check this out:

amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay.
2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs.

I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you?










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Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue
to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a
radio amateur, you must pass required exams.

Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams.
To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the
hobby. Check this out:

amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay.
2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs.

I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you?

Nice try at wordsmithing.

Of course Frankie is "all about" trying to "be" things without
going the full measure to "be" those things...Here he's trying to be a
"radio amateur" without REALLY being a Radio Amateur.

He tried being a United States Marine without doing all the things
that are required of a Marine, and subsequently got sent home.

Seems there's a pattern here.

In the United States (and indeed in the English speaking world) a
Radio Amateur is a person who has passed a set of examinations that
results in the issuance of a Radio Amateur station and/or operator
license by the applicant's government.

Frankie doesn't have one of those. Neither does Lennie.

Neither of them are Radio Amateurs.

They haven't got what it takes.

Steve, K4YZ

steve hsit some more
 

K4YZ wrote:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue
to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a
radio amateur, you must pass required exams.

Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams.
To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the
hobby. Check this out:

amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay.
2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs.

I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you?

Nice try at wordsmithing.
and you avoid the issue again

FoS is FOS Again...Or Maybe That's "STILL" FOS...?!?!
 

On 30 Jan 2006 06:47:39 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:


Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:03:50 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in et:

Rather than quoting anything I've written on the subject, you continue
to provide your own thoughts and act as if they're from me. To become a
radio amateur, you must pass required exams.

Wrong. To get an amateur radio license you must pass required exams.
To become a radio amateur all you need to do is be active in the
hobby. Check this out:

amateur -- n. 1. one who does something for pleasure, not for pay.
2. one who is somewhat unskillful. adj. of or done by amateurs.

I don't see anything there about a license or taking tests, do you?

Nice try at wordsmithing.
it work too

Of course Frankie is "all about" trying to "be" things without
going the full measure to "be" those things...Here he's trying to be a
"radio amateur" without REALLY being a Radio Amateur.

where do you get that

he is just comenting here

He tried being a United States Marine without doing all the things
that are required of a Marine, and subsequently got sent home.

as did you you after 18 year

or did get the choice leave or be prosecuted anyway you want it

Seems there's a pattern here.

In the United States (and indeed in the English speaking world) a
Radio Amateur is a person who has passed a set of examinations that
results in the issuance of a Radio Amateur station and/or operator
license by the applicant's government.

say waht authority

Frankie doesn't have one of those. Neither does Lennie.

Neither of them are Radio Amateurs.

They haven't got what it takes.

Steve, K4YZ

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