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"One group of people who claim to be of the standard of
Radio Hams but who are in reality nothing more than an apology for the failure of a CBer are those class B licensees who falsely proclaimed that they were against the use of a Morse Test to control access to the HF bands, until, that is, a test was introduced at their intellectual level, the intellectual level of 6-year-olds. " Hold on a mo. I'm a class B licence holder - G8LIR, and have been for, oh about 30 years I think. My main interest was in fast scan ATV on 70 Cms and 23cms, and with a small team we competed in many ATV contests, setting new (and I think unbroken) records. All our equipment was home built - yes I do mean ALL - including narrow band ATV receivers utilising inline cavities and integrating receivers to subtract noise and reveal lost images when only a weak sync pulse was available. We also DESIGNED and built the linear amplifiers using 4cx250's in push pull, with 2kv on the anodes and tuneable cavities (not copied designs). And, oh yes, we designed filters using laplace transforms to calculate the correct vaues for the inductors, wound them ourselves and tuned then with second hand spectrum analysers. Now to me, that level of technical expertise speaks to a certain intellectual level over a 6 year olds. I was considering returning to the hobby, but frankly the view in this FAQ has put me off. Anyone care to comment ? Andy |
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writes I was considering returning to the hobby, but frankly the view in this FAQ has put me off. Anyone care to comment ? Andy With a G8L call I would have expected you to recognise an obvious troll by now. You either want to get back to the hobby or you don't, if this puts you off then frankly perhaps its not for you! Trev G3ZYY -- Trevor Day UKSMG #217 www.uksmg.org |
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I was considering returning to the hobby, but frankly the view in this FAQ has put me off. Anyone care to comment ? Andy Good man.... |
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wrote: I was considering returning to the hobby, but frankly the view in this FAQ has put me off. Anyone care to comment ? The point of view posted by "Orator for Decency" is not the FAQ for this newsgroup. It is in fact the deranged rantings of one Gareth Alun Evans, ex-G8DXY, G4SDW. He posts this "FAQ" approximately every week, apparently trolling for trouble (and frequently finding it!) Those that react to his FAQ are then subjected to systematic harassment. If G4SDW learns of the employer of the individual who reacts, he makes a nuisance of himself the http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...9?dmode=source If G4SDW finds that the individual who reacts has a hobby outside amateur radio, he makes a nuisance of himself in newsgroups relating to that hobby: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...f?dmode=source When he fails to get a reaction to the harassment described above, he will start making offensive posts using ludicrous anagrams of the individuals name: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...e?dmode=source But amateur radio is not Gareth's only hobbyhorse. He frequently airs his unorthodox views on.... The Royal Family: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...e=source&hl=en The Scouts: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...daeabe9ee12509 July 7th 2005: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...6?dmode=source The Armed Forces: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...e?dmode=source Don't let him put you off. Welcome back to the hobby! 73 Mike G4KFK www.g4kfk.co.uk |
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wrote: I was considering returning to the hobby, but frankly the view in this FAQ has put me off. Anyone care to comment ? The point of view posted by "Orator for Decency" is not the FAQ for this newsgroup. It is in fact the deranged rantings of one Gareth Alun Evans, ex-G8DXY, G4SDW. He posts this "FAQ" approximately every week, apparently trolling for trouble (and frequently finding it!) Those that react to his FAQ are then subjected to systematic harassment. If G4SDW learns of the employer of the individual who reacts, he makes a nuisance of himself the http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...9?dmode=source If G4SDW finds that the individual who reacts has a hobby outside amateur radio, he makes a nuisance of himself in newsgroups relating to that hobby: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...f?dmode=source When he fails to get a reaction to the harassment described above, he will start making offensive posts using ludicrous anagrams of the individuals name: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...e?dmode=source But amateur radio is not Gareth's only hobbyhorse. He frequently airs his unorthodox views on.... The Royal Family: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...e=source&hl=en The Scouts: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...daeabe9ee12509 July 7th 2005: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...6?dmode=source The Armed Forces: http://groups.google.com/group/uk.ra...e?dmode=source Don't let him put you off. Welcome back to the hobby! 73 Mike G4KFK www.g4kfk.co.uk |
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oups.com... I was considering returning to the hobby, but frankly the view in this FAQ has put me off. Anyone care to comment ? You'll find one in every crowd. He doesn't speak for me. Rebutting it only adds to the noise level. Just add him to the kill file. |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:10:10 GMT, Trevor Day
wrote: With a G8L call I would have expected you to recognise an obvious troll by now. You either want to get back to the hobby or you don't, if this puts you off then frankly perhaps its not for you! Beanie is not a troll Trevor... his writings on the Soham murders and the monarchy confirm that he is of sick mind.. Peter, G3PHO |
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writes On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:10:10 GMT, Trevor Day wrote: With a G8L call I would have expected you to recognise an obvious troll by now. You either want to get back to the hobby or you don't, if this puts you off then frankly perhaps its not for you! Beanie is not a troll Trevor... his writings on the Soham murders and the monarchy confirm that he is of sick mind.. Peter, G3PHO Perhaps troll is the wrong word Peter; however I still feel that Gareth's prose should not put off anyone interested in AR especially someone with such an apparent pedigree. Trev G3ZYY -- Trevor Day UKSMG #217 www.uksmg.org |
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"Peter" wrote in message ... On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:10:10 GMT, Trevor Day Beanie is not a troll Trevor... his writings on the Soham murders and the monarchy confirm that he is of sick mind.. Peter, G3PHO It is no wonder wherever he goes he is loathed, I wonder if his wife knows that he condones the murders of children, and police officers etc. The "Orator For Decency" would not know the meaning of decency, he appears to be a bitter, evil, and twisted little 'man' , if it were not for visits from the police I doubt if he would have any visitors. His inferiority complex must give him sleepless nights. |
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:18:11 GMT, Trevor Day
wrote: I still feel that Gareth's prose should not put off anyone interested in AR especially someone with such an apparent pedigree. Agreed! |
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Hi Trevor
Well, I was surprised by the animosity. If I were to regularly meet that within on air conversations I would be quite bothered I think. I remembered the hobby as being very gentlemanly and was therefore qute suprised. I think I may just lurk about an some of the HF / VHF bands and see what actually happens before deciding to get my iron out again. I'm seeing my old mate G4GCO tonight for a few beers, no doubt we will discuss this as well. Thanks for the comments 73 Andy - G8LIR |
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Thanks to everyone who commented
It seems that maybe this is not the general view of class B after all. I'm going to lurk about on HF/VHF for a while listening and see how it goes down, maybe I'll get my iron out then and do some stuff. Thanks for the advice all Andy G8LIR |
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Well, I was surprised by the animosity. If I were to regularly meet that within on air conversations I would be quite bothered I think. I remembered the hobby as being very gentlemanly and was therefore qute suprised. I think I may just lurk about an some of the HF / VHF bands and see what actually happens before deciding to get my iron out again. Big changes for the worse...... |
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wrote in message ups.com... Thanks to everyone who commented It seems that maybe this is not the general view of class B after all. I'm going to lurk about on HF/VHF for a while listening and see how it goes down, maybe I'll get my iron out then and do some stuff. Thanks for the advice all Andy G8LIR just think you can now go on HF............ |
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From what you write below, you would seem to qualify as
a _REAL_ Radio Ham, the essence of Radio Hammery, and pursuing activities that the FAQ praises. To get as far as the bit you quote below, you must have read the opening paragraphs which speak in support of the style of Radio Hammery which you say is you, and so it is difficult to understand why you should seem to take offence at remarks which clearly are not directed at you. As you say below, you have been "out of it" for a number of years, so it is unlikely that you were aware of the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme or that you availed yourself of the facility. The groups which are criticised by the FAQ are those who have featured in this NG in the years gone by, and any animosity has, indeed, been originated by the criticised groups. For me, Radio Hammery has always had traditions of international gentlemanliness and these criticised groups do not have those traditions. So, you would appear to come from the traditional seed-corn of Radio Hammery, where it is a technical pursuit with jealously guarded privileges and yet you seem to take offence at criticsm of those who are not in your league. I offer no apologies for maintaining a stance to uphold the technical and gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio; nor do I apologise for setting ourselves apart from CBers. wrote: "One group of people who claim to be of the standard of Radio Hams but who are in reality nothing more than an apology for the failure of a CBer are those class B licensees who falsely proclaimed that they were against the use of a Morse Test to control access to the HF bands, until, that is, a test was introduced at their intellectual level, the intellectual level of 6-year-olds. " Hold on a mo. I'm a class B licence holder - G8LIR, and have been for, oh about 30 years I think. My main interest was in fast scan ATV on 70 Cms and 23cms, and with a small team we competed in many ATV contests, setting new (and I think unbroken) records. All our equipment was home built - yes I do mean ALL - including narrow band ATV receivers utilising inline cavities and integrating receivers to subtract noise and reveal lost images when only a weak sync pulse was available. We also DESIGNED and built the linear amplifiers using 4cx250's in push pull, with 2kv on the anodes and tuneable cavities (not copied designs). And, oh yes, we designed filters using laplace transforms to calculate the correct vaues for the inductors, wound them ourselves and tuned then with second hand spectrum analysers. Now to me, that level of technical expertise speaks to a certain intellectual level over a 6 year olds. I was considering returning to the hobby, but frankly the view in this FAQ has put me off. |
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You continue to behave like a 5-year-old.
Peter wrote: On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:10:10 GMT, Trevor Day wrote: With a G8L call I would have expected you to recognise an obvious troll by now. You either want to get back to the hobby or you don't, if this puts you off then frankly perhaps its not for you! Beanie is not a troll Trevor... his writings on the Soham murders and the monarchy confirm that he is of sick mind.. Peter, G3PHO |
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No-one who is a _REAL_ Radio Ham will be put off in the
slightest by a stance of maintaining the technical and gentlemanly traditions. CBers and their ilk might be put off, and if they are so put off, then I say, "Good!". Trevor Day wrote: In message , Peter writes On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:10:10 GMT, Trevor Day wrote: With a G8L call I would have expected you to recognise an obvious troll by now. You either want to get back to the hobby or you don't, if this puts you off then frankly perhaps its not for you! Beanie is not a troll Trevor... his writings on the Soham murders and the monarchy confirm that he is of sick mind.. Peter, G3PHO Perhaps troll is the wrong word Peter; however I still feel that Gareth's prose should not put off anyone interested in AR especially someone with such an apparent pedigree. Trev G3ZYY -- Trevor Day UKSMG #217 www.uksmg.org |
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There is no animosity expressed by urging those of a technical
bent to join us; neither is there any animosity in standing apart from those who are not our fellows by any stretch of the imagination. Where there has been animosity, it has been on the part of those who make up the groups criticised. wrote: Hi Trevor Well, I was surprised by the animosity. If I were to regularly meet that within on air conversations I would be quite bothered I think. I remembered the hobby as being very gentlemanly and was therefore qute suprised. I think I may just lurk about an some of the HF / VHF bands and see what actually happens before deciding to get my iron out again. I'm seeing my old mate G4GCO tonight for a few beers, no doubt we will discuss this as well. Thanks for the comments 73 Andy - G8LIR |
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It would seem to be certain that you have taken a critique
of those Class Bers who took out a licence under the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme to be a critique of all Class Bers, which it was not. I suggest that you re-rea the FAQ, when you will actually find yourself to be praised and not criticised. wrote: Thanks to everyone who commented It seems that maybe this is not the general view of class B after all. I'm going to lurk about on HF/VHF for a while listening and see how it goes down, maybe I'll get my iron out then and do some stuff. Thanks for the advice all Andy G8LIR |
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Orator For Decency wrote:
There is no animosity expressed by urging those of a technical bent to join us; neither is there any animosity in standing apart from those who are not our fellows by any stretch of the imagination. Where there has been animosity, it has been on the part of those who make up the groups criticised. SHUT IT EVANS |
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The personal and insulting remarks below are very much those
that are typical of CBers - Childish Broadcasters - the very people whom the FAQ criticises. Such remarks do not fit in the gentlemanly traditions of _REAL_ Ham Radio. I am not familiar with the Yankland licensing schemes. Is "W5EGO" perhaps some for of CB licence - the abusive personal style quoted below would seem to suggest so. There is no attempt to demean anybody by a taxonomy of those who are _REAL_ Radio Hams and those who are CBers of one sort or another. Mike Andrews wrote: Yes, indeed. You can discount without loss anything the writer of that so-called "FAQ" has written, is writing, or will ever write. He attempts to demean people who have attained heights he can't even see, much less comprehend. He has nothing to say, and insists on doing so at length. Don't let him put you off anything. Jump in; the water's fine. -- Mike Andrews W5EGO Tired old sysadmin |
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Orator For Decency wrote: The personal and insulting remarks below are very much those that are typical of CBers - Childish Broadcasters - the very people whom the FAQ criticises. Such remarks do not fit in the gentlemanly traditions of _REAL_ Ham Radio. I am not familiar with the Yankland licensing schemes. Is "W5EGO" perhaps some for of CB licence - the abusive personal style quoted below would seem to suggest so. There is no attempt to demean anybody by a taxonomy of those who are _REAL_ Radio Hams and those who are CBers of one sort or another. Mike Andrews wrote: Yes, indeed. You can discount without loss anything the writer of that so-called "FAQ" has written, is writing, or will ever write. He attempts to demean people who have attained heights he can't even see, much less comprehend. He has nothing to say, and insists on doing so at length. Don't let him put you off anything. Jump in; the water's fine. -- Mike Andrews W5EGO Tired old sysadmin EVANS IS YOUR BLOODY RECORD STUCK, OR ARE YOUR BRAINCELLS LOOPING DUE TO YOUR DRUG ABUSE? |
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There is no troll in expressing a serious concern about what
is happening in Radio Hammery and in seeking that the technical and gentlemanly traditions be maintained. If you think it is a troll, then perhaps you are one of the CBers-Masquerading-As-A-Radio-Ham that the FAQ warns against? Trevor Day wrote: In message .com, writes I was considering returning to the hobby, but frankly the view in this FAQ has put me off. Anyone care to comment ? With a G8L call I would have expected you to recognise an obvious troll by now. You either want to get back to the hobby or you don't, if this puts you off then frankly perhaps its not for you! Trev G3ZYY |
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Orator For Decency wrote: There is no troll in expressing a serious concern about what is happening in Radio Hammery and in seeking that the technical and gentlemanly traditions be maintained. If you think it is a troll, then perhaps you are one of the CBers-Masquerading-As-A-Radio-Ham that the FAQ warns against? Trevor Day wrote: In message .com, writes I was considering returning to the hobby, but frankly the view in this FAQ has put me off. Anyone care to comment ? With a G8L call I would have expected you to recognise an obvious troll by now. You either want to get back to the hobby or you don't, if this puts you off then frankly perhaps its not for you! Trev G3ZYY THE'RE COMING TO TAKE YOU AWAY HA HA! |
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Orator For Decency wrote: There is no animosity expressed by urging those of a technical bent to join us; neither is there any animosity in standing apart from those who are not our fellows by any stretch of the imagination. You are the very model of a newsgroup personality. You intersperse stupidity with tedious banality. Psudonyms you've plenty of; both genuine and ghosted, too, On all the countless newsgroups that your drivel is cross-posted to. Our bandwidth you will fritter with your whining and your snivelling, And we're the ones who pay the bills, downloading all your drivelling. Your enemies are numerous, and no-one would be blaming us For cracking your head open after you've been rudely flaming us. You hate to lose an argument (by now you should be used to it). You wouldn't know a valid point if you were introduced to it. Your learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, Designed to fan your ego, which is larger than Bolivia. The comments that you vomit forth, disguised as jest and drollery, Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery. You say you're frank and forthright, but that's merely lies and vanity, The gibberings of one who's on the limits of his sanity. With apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan :-) 73 Mike G4KFK |
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Orator For Decency wrote: Oral eater for desense EE? You are the very model of a newsgroup personality. You intersperse stupidity with tedious banality. Psudonyms you've plenty of; both genuine and ghosted, too, On all the countless newsgroups that your drivel is cross-posted to. Our bandwidth you will fritter with your whining and your snivelling, And we're the ones who pay the bills, downloading all your drivelling. Your enemies are numerous, and no-one would be blaming us For cracking your head open after you've been rudely flaming us. You hate to lose an argument (by now you should be used to it). You wouldn't know a valid point if you were introduced to it. Your learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, Designed to fan your ego, which is larger than Bolivia. The comments that you vomit forth, disguised as jest and drollery, Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery. You say you're frank and forthright, but that's merely lies and vanity, The gibberings of one who's on the limits of his sanity. With apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan :-) I rather think they'd like it, it certainly brings on a few chuckles. Behaving like a stupid boy, W8LNA |
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"W8LNA" wrote in message ... G4KFK wrote: Orator For Decency wrote: Oral eater for desense EE? You are the very model of a newsgroup personality. You intersperse stupidity with tedious banality. Psudonyms you've plenty of; both genuine and ghosted, too, On all the countless newsgroups that your drivel is cross-posted to. Our bandwidth you will fritter with your whining and your snivelling, And we're the ones who pay the bills, downloading all your drivelling. Your enemies are numerous, and no-one would be blaming us For cracking your head open after you've been rudely flaming us. You hate to lose an argument (by now you should be used to it). You wouldn't know a valid point if you were introduced to it. Your learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, Designed to fan your ego, which is larger than Bolivia. The comments that you vomit forth, disguised as jest and drollery, Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery. You say you're frank and forthright, but that's merely lies and vanity, The gibberings of one who's on the limits of his sanity. With apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan :-) I rather think they'd like it, it certainly brings on a few chuckles. Behaving like a stupid boy, W8LNA So some ones an IR8 King then DieSea |
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G4KFK wrote: Orator For Decency wrote: Oral eater for desense EE? You are the very model of a newsgroup personality. You intersperse stupidity with tedious banality. Psudonyms you've plenty of; both genuine and ghosted, too, On all the countless newsgroups that your drivel is cross-posted to. Our bandwidth you will fritter with your whining and your snivelling, And we're the ones who pay the bills, downloading all your drivelling. Your enemies are numerous, and no-one would be blaming us For cracking your head open after you've been rudely flaming us. You hate to lose an argument (by now you should be used to it). You wouldn't know a valid point if you were introduced to it. Your learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, Designed to fan your ego, which is larger than Bolivia. The comments that you vomit forth, disguised as jest and drollery, Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery. You say you're frank and forthright, but that's merely lies and vanity, The gibberings of one who's on the limits of his sanity. With apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan :-) I rather think they'd like it, it certainly brings on a few chuckles. Behaving like a stupid boy, W8LNA It's even more impressive if you sing it to the tune of "Modern Major General" -- the penultimate line has to be forced to scan, but the rest flows nicely. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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Orator For Decency wrote: There is no animosity expressed by urging those of a technical bent to join us; neither is there any animosity in standing apart from those who are not our fellows by any stretch of the imagination. You are the very model of a newsgroup personality. You intersperse stupidity with tedious banality. Psudonyms you've plenty of; both genuine and ghosted, too, On all the countless newsgroups that your drivel is cross-posted to. Our bandwidth you will fritter with your whining and your snivelling, And we're the ones who pay the bills, downloading all your drivelling. Your enemies are numerous, and no-one would be blaming us For cracking your head open after you've been rudely flaming us. You hate to lose an argument (by now you should be used to it). You wouldn't know a valid point if you were introduced to it. Your learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, Designed to fan your ego, which is larger than Bolivia. The comments that you vomit forth, disguised as jest and drollery, Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery. You say you're frank and forthright, but that's merely lies and vanity, The gibberings of one who's on the limits of his sanity. With apologies to Gilbert and Sullivan :-) 73 Mike G4KFK Your work, or did you find it? How long did it take, for crying out loud? -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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Tim Wescott wrote: Your work, or did you find it? How long did it take, for crying out loud? Google the first line ... the truth is out there :-) 73 Mike G4KFK |
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There now appears to be a chorus of rather silly
and childish individuals who are taking delight in the abusive remarks put about by each other. Such Childish Behaviour (CB) does nothing for the public's perception of Radio Hammery, and, indeed, may well serve to dismay those who are potential candidates to become _REAL_ Radio Hams. Shame on all those who exhibit such infantile glee. Orator For Decency wrote: There is no troll in expressing a serious concern about what is happening in Radio Hammery and in seeking that the technical and gentlemanly traditions be maintained. |
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G4KFK wrote: Tim Wescott wrote: Your work, or did you find it? How long did it take, for crying out loud? Google the first line ... the truth is out there :-) indeed parody of the model of a modern major general Pnezance Ithink but i am a real student of G&S 73 Mike G4KFK |
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Orator For Decency wrote: There now appears to be a chorus of rather silly and childish individuals who are taking delight in the abusive remarks put about by each other. Such Childish Behaviour (CB) does nothing for the public's perception of Radio Hammery, and, indeed, may well serve to dismay those who are potential candidates to become _REAL_ Radio Hams. Shame on all those who exhibit such infantile glee. Orator For Decency wrote: There is no troll in expressing a serious concern about what is happening in Radio Hammery and in seeking that the technical and gentlemanly traditions be maintained. PUT A SOCK IN IT YOU **** |
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Gareth Alun Evans (G4SDW) wrote: There now appears to be a chorus of rather silly and childish individuals who are taking delight in the abusive remarks put about by each other. So where've you been for the last week Gareth? We've all missed your incisive wit and répartis. 73 Mike G4KFK |
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Orator For Decency wrote:
There now appears to be a chorus of rather silly and childish individuals who are taking delight in the abusive remarks put about by each other. Such Childish Behaviour (CB) does nothing for the public's perception of Radio Hammery, and, indeed, may well serve to dismay those who are potential candidates to become _REAL_ Radio Hams. Shame on all those who exhibit such infantile glee. Orator For Decency wrote: There is no troll in expressing a serious concern about what is happening in Radio Hammery and in seeking that the technical and gentlemanly traditions be maintained. But NONE have them have been ARRESTED!!! -- huLLy Tel: 07976 123278 ICQ 136-987-925 |
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Orator For Decency wrote: There now appears to be a chorus of rather silly and childish individuals who are taking delight in the abusive remarks put about by each other. ** ENCORE ** Your technical experience, although you claim to know it all Could barely serve to run the installation disk from AOL; But still, in matters meaningless and tediously trivial, You are the very model of a Usenet individual. Chorus: But still, in matters meaningless and tediously trivial, Beanie is the very model of a Usenet individual. |
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