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The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
From: The ARRL Letter
Vol. 25, No. 11 March 17, 2006 -------------------- ==AMATEUR RADIO POISED TO STAY WITHIN FCC WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS BUREAU The FCC approved a proposal March 17 to create a new Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau (PS&HSB) that would assume some functions now under the umbrella of the Wireless Telecommunications Bureau (WTB). But it appears that the Amateur Radio Service--now within the WTB's Public Safety and Critical Infrastructure Division, headed by Michael J. Wilhelm, WS6BR--will remain within the WTB, according to Anthony Dale, Acting Director of the FCC's Office of Managing Director (OMD). "The Critical Infrastructure piece--that's things like taxi cabs, Amateur Radio, chemical plants, all that type of thing--those are not public safety-specific functions," Dale said in response to a reporter's question following the FCC open meeting. "The plan is to keep those in the Wireless Bureau." Creation of the new bureau was a topic of some discussion during a meeting earlier this month of the ARRL Executive Committee. With the complete details of the reorganization still uncertain, however, the League is adopting a wait-and-see attitude for now. Mika Savir, an attorney advisor within the FCC's OMD, presented the proposal to the Commission. "By this action, the Commission would take an important step to better address public safety, homeland security, national security, emergency management and preparedness and disaster management," she said. "As you know, the Commission has a statutory mandate to assist in promoting the safety of life and property, as well as the national defense, through the use of communications." An official document spelling out just which functions and services will end up where has not yet been made public, and even Dale did not appear to be entirely clear on specifics. He and others stressed that some PS&HSB functions may overlap those of other bureaus. The FCC said the changes are subject to Congressional notification before they become effective. In addition, the Commission must work with the National Treasury Employees Union Local 209 to secure its approval for issues affecting the Commission's workforce. The last changes affecting the functions of the WTB occurred in 2003. This reorganization has been several months in the planning. Some observers had speculated that Amateur Radio would be shifted to the PS&HSB, thus removing it from the WTB's market-based approach to regulation. Moving some of the WTB's current responsibilities to the new bureau, however, could speed up the process of moving Amateur Radio-related proceedings through the Commission. The PS&HSB will have three divisions: Policy, Public Communications Outreach & Operations, and Communications Systems Analysis. In addition, the bureau will have a front office consisting of senior leadership and management staff. The new bureau would be the seventh within the FCC. Commissioner Michael Copps said the proposed reorganization goes beyond "reshuffling" of the bureaucracy. He expressed the hope that creation of the new Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau would be viewed as "the first step in putting the FCC out front--where it long should have been--in providing communications security for all Americans in this dangerous age." The Commission voted unanimously to approve creation of the new bureau. |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
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The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
K4YZ wrote: nobodys old friend wrote: ToS violation steve wrote: and another Tos violation From: The ARRL Letter Vol. 25, No. 11 March 17, 2006 following the FCC open meeting. "The plan is to keep those in the Wireless Bureau." nice to have somethng to discuss Discuss WHAT? A NON event? OTOH WE are NOT seen as a public saety function. HMMMM not good for the safety of ARS freqs id say This will have nothing to do with the "safety of ARS freqs", Mork. another ToS violation steve if we were being classed as public safety I am sure it improve our hold on those freqs Getting folks to rally and finally push through ONE of the "spectrum protection act" bills that has been in front of Congress over the last 20 years WOULD, however no one seems to want to REALLY "do" anything to make those happen. Steve, K4YZ |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
cheated an old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: nobodys old friend wrote: ToS violation steve Where? wrote: and another Tos violation Where? From: The ARRL Letter Vol. 25, No. 11 March 17, 2006 following the FCC open meeting. "The plan is to keep those in the Wireless Bureau." nice to have somethng to discuss Discuss WHAT? A NON event? OTOH WE are NOT seen as a public saety function. HMMMM not good for the safety of ARS freqs id say This will have nothing to do with the "safety of ARS freqs", Mork. another ToS violation steve Where? if we were being classed as public safety I am sure it improve our hold on those freqs No we won't. TRY and understand the difference between "public safety" and "Amateur Radio", Mork. Steve, K4YZ |
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The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
an old friend wrote: wrote: From: The ARRL Letter Vol. 25, No. 11 March 17, 2006 -------------------- ==AMATEUR RADIO POISED TO STAY WITHIN FCC WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS BUREAU The FCC approved a proposal March 17 to create a new Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau (PS&HSB) that would assume some functions now under the umbrella of the Wireless Telecommunications Bureau (WTB). But it appears that the Amateur Radio Service--now within the WTB's Public Safety and Critical Infrastructure Division, headed by Michael J. Wilhelm, WS6BR--will remain within the WTB, according to Anthony Dale, Acting Director of the FCC's Office of Managing Director (OMD). "The Critical Infrastructure piece--that's things like taxi cabs, Amateur Radio, chemical plants, all that type of thing--those are not public safety-specific functions," Dale said in response to a reporter's question following the FCC open meeting. "The plan is to keep those in the Wireless Bureau." nice to have somethng to discuss OTOH WE are NOT seen as a public saety function. I wonder how hard the ARRL worked to get us classified with PS&HSB? HMMMM not good for the safety of ARS freqs id say Perhaps. I'm just dumbfounded why we're wasting spectrum on high-definition TV? Anyone who wanted better TV has cable or dish. |
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The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
On 20 Mar 2006 15:34:35 -0800, wrote:
an old friend wrote: wrote: From: The ARRL Letter Vol. 25, No. 11 nice to have somethng to discuss OTOH WE are NOT seen as a public saety function. I wonder how hard the ARRL worked to get us classified with PS&HSB? did they work toward that gol at all? you are still a memebr you might ask? HMMMM not good for the safety of ARS freqs id say Perhaps. sorry you areit isn't "preahps it is "not Good" it may also be not bad but surely being classiefied with EMS and therefore above taxi cabs would have been good for us in the long run both here and in our neighboor Canada where vhf bandwidth is also at rsik I'm just dumbfounded why we're wasting spectrum on high-definition TV? yep but that is money and if the money for it comes to the FCC at al it might do some good by acident Anyone who wanted better TV has cable or dish. yep _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
yet another thread hijacked by steve in his campaign of violeting Google rules
On 20 Mar 2006 15:45:07 -0800, wrote:
an_old_friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: cheated an old friend wrote: yet another Mark, try to understand, "MARS IS Amateur Radio!" and "Amateur Radio ISNT Public Safety!" and another on-topic thread IS ruined. yep _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On 21 Mar 2006 05:01:25 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote:
wrote: an_old_fiend wrote: K4YZ wrote: cheated an old friend wrote: yet another Mark, try to understand, "MARS IS Amateur Radio!" and "Amateur Radio ISNT Public Safety!" and another on-topic thread IS ruined. If it's "ruined", it was ruined by Markie making 6 or 7 spin off threads just to try and dilute his red-hatted-monkey dance. you retasked the thread to markie or morkie mularkie that ruined the thread you hijack every thread to an attack on me Todd BB frank or Len that seem to be you sole prupose in life at least on RRAP No YOU chime in with nothing to offer either even though I know it was you who put the first non-event report up. nothing but the truth something you are never even with9in DX radio contact with it seem Business as usual... indeed for you it is tell me answer this with cogent answer and I drop the flame war why are you on RRAO at all? what is your purpose? Steve, K4YZ _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
wrote: On 20 Mar 2006 15:34:35 -0800, wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: From: The ARRL Letter Vol. 25, No. 11 nice to have somethng to discuss OTOH WE are NOT seen as a public saety function. I wonder how hard the ARRL worked to get us classified with PS&HSB? did they work toward that gol at all? you are still a memebr you might ask? The first I heard of it was their announcement that we aren't being reclassified. That tells me that they were working on it. HMMMM not good for the safety of ARS freqs id say Perhaps. sorry you areit isn't "preahps it is "not Good" it may also be not bad but surely being classiefied with EMS and therefore above taxi cabs would have been good for us in the long run both here and in our neighboor Canada where vhf bandwidth is also at rsik Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". I'm just dumbfounded why we're wasting spectrum on high-definition TV? yep but that is money and if the money for it comes to the FCC at al it might do some good by acident Somebody will make some money. Anyone who wanted better TV has cable or dish. yep |
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The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
, N0IMD, Brian P Burke wrote: wrote: On 20 Mar 2006 15:34:35 -0800, wrote: nobodys old friend wrote: wrote: From: The ARRL Letter Vol. 25, No. 11 nice to have somethng to discuss OTOH WE are NOT seen as a public saety function. I wonder how hard the ARRL worked to get us classified with PS&HSB? did they work toward that gol at all? you are still a memebr you might ask? The first I heard of it was their announcement that we aren't being reclassified. That tells me that they were working on it. No...it means someone may have THOUGHT about it...At best the article appears to simply say that it's not on the table for whatever reasons and that it's not on anyone's agenda to do otherwise. HMMMM not good for the safety of ARS freqs id say Perhaps. sorry you areit isn't "preahps it is "not Good" it may also be not bad but surely being classiefied with EMS and therefore above taxi cabs would have been good for us in the long run both here and in our neighboor Canada where vhf bandwidth is also at rsik Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". More assinine, unfounded BS from Brain P Burke. There's not ONE bit of media release about Amatuer Radio as it pertains to the most recent disaster response in Louisiana that is anything BUT positive vis-a-vis Amateur Radio. WHERE do you come up with these assinine assertions, Burke? Two years ago you started in on this line about how ARES/RACES/MARS would not be able to respond or sustain a disaster relief communications, yet there's been one significant disaster after another, none the least of which being Katrina, and in every case where those agencies responded there's been nothing but positive press...And I am NOT talking about ARRL stuff...Real, mainstream media...CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc. The Amateur Radio Serivce, under the banners of MARS, ARES, RACES, etc, has more than lived up to it's claims of disaster communications support, yet you continue to make a fool out of yourself claiming otherwise. Burke, WHY do you continue this silly behaviour when you've been proven wrong over and over and over...?!?! Idiot. Steve, K4YZ |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
wrote: wrote: On 20 Mar 2006 15:34:35 -0800, wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: From: The ARRL Letter Vol. 25, No. 11 nice to have somethng to discuss OTOH WE are NOT seen as a public saety function. I wonder how hard the ARRL worked to get us classified with PS&HSB? did they work toward that gol at all? you are still a memebr you might ask? The first I heard of it was their announcement that we aren't being reclassified. That tells me that they were working on it. likely i agree HMMMM not good for the safety of ARS freqs id say Perhaps. sorry you areit isn't "preahps it is "not Good" it may also be not bad but surely being classiefied with EMS and therefore above taxi cabs would have been good for us in the long run both here and in our neighboor Canada where vhf bandwidth is also at rsik Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". and we do just do it in an disorganized keystone copish way I'm just dumbfounded why we're wasting spectrum on high-definition TV? yep but that is money and if the money for it comes to the FCC at al it might do some good by acident Somebody will make some money. Anyone who wanted better TV has cable or dish. yep |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
an old friend wrote: wrote: wrote: On 20 Mar 2006 15:34:35 -0800, wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: From: The ARRL Letter Vol. 25, No. 11 nice to have somethng to discuss OTOH WE are NOT seen as a public saety function. I wonder how hard the ARRL worked to get us classified with PS&HSB? did they work toward that gol at all? you are still a memebr you might ask? The first I heard of it was their announcement that we aren't being reclassified. That tells me that they were working on it. likely i agree HMMMM not good for the safety of ARS freqs id say Perhaps. sorry you areit isn't "preahps it is "not Good" it may also be not bad but surely being classiefied with EMS and therefore above taxi cabs would have been good for us in the long run both here and in our neighboor Canada where vhf bandwidth is also at rsik Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". and we do just do it in an disorganized keystone copish way Sometimes, maybe. I'm sure there are times when the ARS support is superb. But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: wrote: On 20 Mar 2006 15:34:35 -0800, wrote: sorry you areit isn't "preahps it is "not Good" it may also be not bad but surely being classiefied with EMS and therefore above taxi cabs would have been good for us in the long run both here and in our neighboor Canada where vhf bandwidth is also at rsik Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". and we do just do it in an disorganized keystone copish way Sometimes, maybe. I'm sure there are times when the ARS support is superb. indeed esp in smaller dsasters But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. indeed but we could have been classed as voloteers under public safety it would helpful to reconized above taxi drivers |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
an old freind wrote: wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: wrote: On 20 Mar 2006 15:34:35 -0800, wrote: sorry you areit isn't "preahps it is "not Good" it may also be not bad but surely being classiefied with EMS and therefore above taxi cabs would have been good for us in the long run both here and in our neighboor Canada where vhf bandwidth is also at rsik Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". and we do just do it in an disorganized keystone copish way Sometimes, maybe. I'm sure there are times when the ARS support is superb. indeed esp in smaller dsasters But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. indeed but we could have been classed as voloteers under public safety it would helpful to reconized above taxi drivers And that's just it. The chest-thumpers got snubbed by this announcement. |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. indeed but we could have been classed as voloteers under public safety it would helpful to reconized above taxi drivers And that's just it. The chest-thumpers got snubbed by this announcement. Yes I see your point, sadly it is a valid one pity it will surely fly over there head at rf speeds |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
wrote: an old fiend wrote: wrote: Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". and we do just do it in an disorganized keystone copish way Sometimes, maybe. I'm sure there are times when the ARS support is superb. But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. Hey Brain, from what FIRST HAND, personal experience do you draw these conclusions? So far, EVERYONE, including FEMA, HLS, and others have had nothing but praise for ARES/RACES et al. STILL awaiting your refrences here.... Steve, K4YZ |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
an Old friend wrote (Tweedle Dumb): wrote (Tweedle Dumber): an old freind wrote: wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. indeed but we could have been classed as voloteers under public safety it would helpful to reconized above taxi drivers And that's just it. The chest-thumpers got snubbed by this announcement. Such as who? Yes I see your point, sadly it is a valid one What point? That he's making even MORE unfounded, baseless suggestions of poor performance of ARES? Because that's ALL Miss Burke is doing. Miss Burke's "condition" here is clear. He's been making these "ARES can't do it" suggestions for 2 years now despite the onslaught of data to the contrary. Furthermore, when tasked to back up some of his allegations with SOME example or evidence, all he can do is disappear for a while and hope no one remembers what a fool he made of himself LAST time. (That seems to be an inherent trait for Feeble Fivers...Morkie, take notice...)) pity it will surely fly over there head at rf speeds Mutt and Jeff patting each other on the back. How comical. Steve, K4YZ |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
K4YZ wrote: wrote: stil trying hijack the tread ito an attack thread an old fiend wrote: and again wrote: but you missed one Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". and we do just do it in an disorganized keystone copish way Sometimes, maybe. I'm sure there are times when the ARS support is superb. But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. Hey Brain, from what FIRST HAND, personal experience do you draw these conclusions? Not sure about BB but I heard that disorganized mess on the air So far, EVERYONE, including FEMA, HLS, and others have had nothing but praise for ARES/RACES et al. so we did not **** up as badly as they did indeed anything we did made their ****up less serios of course they are going to praise for keeping even more of there fat off the fire STILL awaiting your refrences here.... in My case they wer given months ago Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: an Old friend wrote (Tweedle Dumb): moe f your hijacking effort wrote (Tweedle Dumber): still more an old freind wrote: wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. indeed but we could have been classed as voloteers under public safety it would helpful to reconized above taxi drivers And that's just it. The chest-thumpers got snubbed by this announcement. Such as who? you for one since you want to make it personal but mostly it seems the ARRL itself Yes I see your point, sadly it is a valid one What point? the point That he's making even MORE unfounded, baseless suggestions of poor performance of ARES? Because that's ALL Miss Burke is doing. again you you enage in sexauly based attack rather than deal with the issue pity it will surely fly over there head at rf speeds Mutt and Jeff patting each other on the back. proving that you were right BB ty steve I knew we could count on you for the proof in this case How comical. Steve, K4YZ |
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wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: \ it would helpful to reconized above taxi drivers And that's just it. The chest-thumpers got snubbed by this announcement. yep and steve choose to prove your points in spades he thinks we are better (safety of frequency wise) on the same leel as NYC taxi drivers sad his attitude make me suspect what I don't want to believe that the FCC is right are no more impartant that than Taxis drivers of NYC in a disater the FCC could hardly have showed it comptemtpt for usmore lcearly |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: \ it would helpful to reconized above taxi drivers And that's just it. The chest-thumpers got snubbed by this announcement. yep and steve choose to prove your points in spades I'm sure it was completely unintentional. he thinks we are better (safety of frequency wise) on the same level as NYC taxi drivers sad his attitude make me suspect what I don't want to believe that the FCC is right are no more impartant that than Taxis drivers of NYC in a disater the FCC could hardly have showed it comptemtpt for usmore lcearly The FCC has spoken. That it does not sit well with the chest thumpers is not my problem. |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: \ it would helpful to reconized above taxi drivers And that's just it. The chest-thumpers got snubbed by this announcement. yep and steve choose to prove your points in spades I'm sure it was completely unintentional. but it was entirely predicatble he thinks we are better (safety of frequency wise) on the same level as NYC taxi drivers sad his attitude make me suspect what I don't want to believe that the FCC is right are no more impartant that than Taxis drivers of NYC in a disater the FCC could hardly have showed it comptemtpt for usmore lcearly The FCC has spoken. That it does not sit well with the chest thumpers is not my problem. sure has like I said does not bode well for in the spectrum wars |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: an old friend wrote: wrote: \ it would helpful to reconized above taxi drivers And that's just it. The chest-thumpers got snubbed by this announcement. yep and steve choose to prove your points in spades I'm sure it was completely unintentional. but it was entirely predicatble he thinks we are better (safety of frequency wise) on the same level as NYC taxi drivers sad his attitude make me suspect what I don't want to believe that the FCC is right are no more impartant that than Taxis drivers of NYC in a disater the FCC could hardly have showed it comptemtpt for usmore lcearly The FCC has spoken. That it does not sit well with the chest thumpers is not my problem. sure has like I said does not bode well for in the spectrum wars Welp, some didn't have a clue what our standing with the FCC actually was. |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: The FCC has spoken. That it does not sit well with the chest thumpers is not my problem. sure has like I said does not bode well for in the spectrum wars Welp, some didn't have a clue what our standing with the FCC actually was. to be honest I thought with the press we have gooten we had more than it seems we do |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
nobodys Old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: stil trying hijack the tread ito an attack thread Nope. Calling a spade a spade. Brain's making an "attack thread" of his own with more of his unfounded, misleading and outright deceitful assertions about Amateur Radio emergency communications in general and ARES in particular. He's been doing so for almost two years now. He's not provided one iota of substantiating documentary evidence that his vile "opinions" are even remotely validated. In short: Brain P Burke is lying. an old fiend wrote: and again wrote: but you missed one Nope. Left it alone. My point was made on the first one. Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". and we do just do it in an disorganized keystone copish way Sometimes, maybe. I'm sure there are times when the ARS support is superb. But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. Hey Brain, from what FIRST HAND, personal experience do you draw these conclusions? Not sure about BB but I heard that disorganized mess on the air Yeah. Right. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure you did. (More Morkie Mularkie) So far, EVERYONE, including FEMA, HLS, and others have had nothing but praise for ARES/RACES et al. so we did not #### up as badly as they did What do you mean "we", fatboy? YOU weren't a part of ANY aspect of ANY Katrina operations. indeed anything we did made their ####up less serios of course they are going to praise for keeping even more of there fat off the fire What mistakes? What ####ups? Still nothing but praise from EVERY entity that had ANY contact with the effort of the Amateur community. And still nothing but unsubstantiated, mistruthful and outright deceitful allegations from the the Twit Brothers of the Feeble Five. STILL awaiting your refrences here.... in My case they wer given months ago Yeah, but being a sexual deviate, chronic liar and deceitful twit have nothing to do with competency in emergency communications. Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: nobodys Old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: stil trying hijack the tread ito an attack thread Nope. Calling a spade a spade. nope telling lie to hijak the thread Brain's making an "attack thread" of his own with more of his unfounded, misleading and outright deceitful assertions about Amateur Radio emergency communications in general and ARES in particular. he has correctly pointed that clearly the FC doesn't hold us in the esytime you claim they do dealing honestly with the stae of the of ARS is the proper funtion of this NG He's been doing so for almost two years now. He's not provided one iota of substantiating documentary evidence that his vile "opinions" are even remotely validated. you have just not been looking Indeeed he has gone a long tp porving the dsitain of the FCC with the opening of this thread In short: Brain P Burke is lying. nah Stev chooses to be blind an old fiend wrote: and again wrote: but you missed one Nope. Left it alone. My point was made on the first one. still forgeing though Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". and we do just do it in an disorganized keystone copish way Sometimes, maybe. I'm sure there are times when the ARS support is superb. But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. Hey Brain, from what FIRST HAND, personal experience do you draw these conclusions? Not sure about BB but I heard that disorganized mess on the air Yeah. Right. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure you did. (More Morkie Mularkie) yes I did listen nothing about my tech license prevents that you can't accepot that obviously you were listen you were driving an umbulance or what ever at the time So far, EVERYONE, including FEMA, HLS, and others have had nothing but praise for ARES/RACES et al. so we did not **** up as badly as they did What do you mean "we", fatboy? does the words escape your understanding? YOU weren't a part of ANY aspect of ANY Katrina operations. wrong again indeed anything we did made their **** up less serios of course they are going to praise for keeping even more of there fat off the fire What mistakes? steve now claiming the that fema et al did not **** up in Katrina What ####ups? you did not read the sentence and you show yourself as paranoid fema did ****up and they were the subject of the sentence you are responding to Still nothing but praise from EVERY entity that had ANY contact with the effort of the Amateur community. indeed the ARS effort was better than FEma's et al I have never said otherwise I have said and maintian it iwsas not what it should have been. abet in part by the fact we could not interfaces with the non existeant GOvt response And still nothing but unsubstantiated, mistruthful and outright deceitful allegations from the the Twit Brothers of the Feeble Five. you are being deceitful yourself or stupid you have gone more than Google window full going off ignoring the post in question STILL awaiting your refrences here.... in My case they wer given months ago Yeah, but being a sexual deviate, chronic liar and deceitful twit have nothing to do with competency in emergency communications. again you contiue your efforts to hijack the thread I mademany coment of n the subject now you and Dan tried to claim that something the fact I am Bisexalu and kinky mean I know nothing about radio an assertion you still refuse to prove Steve, K4YZ |
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an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: The FCC has spoken. That it does not sit well with the chest thumpers is not my problem. sure has like I said does not bode well for in the spectrum wars Welp, some didn't have a clue what our standing with the FCC actually was. to be honest I thought with the press we have gooten we had more than it seems we do Perhaps the chest-thumpers only made it seem like there was a lot of good press. This isn't to say that the volunteers didn't perform a needed service or perform it well. |
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wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: The FCC has spoken. That it does not sit well with the chest thumpers is not my problem. sure has like I said does not bode well for in the spectrum wars Welp, some didn't have a clue what our standing with the FCC actually was. to be honest I thought with the press we have gooten we had more than it seems we do Perhaps the chest-thumpers only made it seem like there was a lot of good press. it iwas about the only good pess coming out of the disater at times This isn't to say that the volunteers didn't perform a needed service or perform it well. needed certainly but truly how well did they do? I listened to some of it clearly the voltoteers were hampered by the fact the govt had colapsed in the area. I caught an no ham story about a sheriff hijacking a truckload of FEMA ice for his town that was just siting 6 day later at an ari base. the efforts were claerly confused and chaotic. It wouldnice if the whole could be discussed dispassionately to see where thing could be inproved for some future disaster on this scale but we know the chest thumpers will not allow |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
an old freind wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: The FCC has spoken. That it does not sit well with the chest thumpers is not my problem. sure has like I said does not bode well for in the spectrum wars Welp, some didn't have a clue what our standing with the FCC actually was. to be honest I thought with the press we have gooten we had more than it seems we do Perhaps the chest-thumpers only made it seem like there was a lot of good press. it iwas about the only good pess coming out of the disater at times I wonder why that was? Most of the press wouldn't be able to stand themselves if they reported on any positive aspects of the relief efforts. This isn't to say that the volunteers didn't perform a needed service or perform it well. needed certainly but truly how well did they do? I listened to some of it clearly the voltoteers were hampered by the fact the govt had colapsed in the area. This was a point lost on the Extra-elites of RRAP. For them, amateur radio's role is to support their government masters. I asked again and again what did Joe Average have to communicate with? Who was supporting Joe Average? So, with the government collapsed in NO, who did the amateurs (that were trained to support the government) support? I caught an no ham story about a sheriff hijacking a truckload of FEMA ice for his town that was just siting 6 day later at an ari base. I heard about tons and tons of ice being driven all over the USA for no good. the efforts were claerly confused and chaotic. It wouldnice if the whole could be discussed dispassionately to see where thing could be inproved for some future disaster on this scale "Lessons Learned" are often merely lessons transcribed on to paper and not learned. The next disaster will likely have a different set of players. but we know the chest thumpers will not allow Never do. |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: \ Perhaps the chest-thumpers only made it seem like there was a lot of good press. it iwas about the only good pess coming out of the disater at times I wonder why that was? Most of the press wouldn't be able to stand themselves if they reported on any positive aspects of the relief efforts. well not being govt we could be praised and they get cridit for not being too negitive This isn't to say that the volunteers didn't perform a needed service or perform it well. needed certainly but truly how well did they do? I listened to some of it clearly the voltoteers were hampered by the fact the govt had colapsed in the area. This was a point lost on the Extra-elites of RRAP. For them, amateur radio's role is to support their government masters. I asked again and again what did Joe Average have to communicate with? Who was supporting Joe Average? indeed it showed what would have happened if thing were ever bad enough that only CW could out and through who were going to talke too So, with the government collapsed in NO, who did the amateurs (that were trained to support the government) support? |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: \ Perhaps the chest-thumpers only made it seem like there was a lot of good press. it iwas about the only good pess coming out of the disater at times I wonder why that was? Most of the press wouldn't be able to stand themselves if they reported on any positive aspects of the relief efforts. well not being govt we could be praised and they get cridit for not being too negitive The media has been lying since there has been a media. This isn't to say that the volunteers didn't perform a needed service or perform it well. needed certainly but truly how well did they do? I listened to some of it clearly the voltoteers were hampered by the fact the govt had colapsed in the area. This was a point lost on the Extra-elites of RRAP. For them, amateur radio's role is to support their government masters. I asked again and again what did Joe Average have to communicate with? Who was supporting Joe Average? indeed it showed what would have happened if thing were ever bad enough that only CW could out and through who were going to talke too We're doomed if CW continues to be the answer. |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: well not being govt we could be praised and they get cridit for not being too negitive The media has been lying since there has been a media. of course indeed it showed what would have happened if thing were ever bad enough that only CW could out and through who were going to talke too We're doomed if CW continues to be the answer. indeed but you know there are plenty of KamiKazie types inthe ARS maybe the ARRL can wake up after being slpaped but i doubt that torpid bunch can |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
an old freind wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: well not being govt we could be praised and they get cridit for not being too negitive The media has been lying since there has been a media. of course indeed it showed what would have happened if thing were ever bad enough that only CW could out and through who were going to talke too We're doomed if CW continues to be the answer. indeed but you know there are plenty of KamiKazie types inthe ARS maybe the ARRL can wake up after being slpaped but i doubt that torpid bunch can I recall a few of the benevolent Extra's on RRAP who would rather see the ARS ended rather than change. |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: an_old_friend wrote: indeed but you know there are plenty of KamiKazie types inthe ARS maybe the ARRL can wake up after being slpaped but i doubt that torpid bunch can I recall a few of the benevolent Extra's on RRAP who would rather see the ARS ended rather than change. yep some of them still seem to be about |
The ARS NOT to move to Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
lied_to_an_old_friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: nobodys Old friend wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: stil trying hijack the tread ito an attack thread Nope. Calling a spade a spade. nope telling lie to hijak the thread Brain's making an "attack thread" of his own with more of his unfounded, misleading and outright deceitful assertions about Amateur Radio emergency communications in general and ARES in particular. he has correctly pointed that clearly the FC doesn't hold us in the esytime you claim they do Who's the "FC"...?!?! What's "esytime"...?!?! dealing honestly with the stae of the of ARS is the proper funtion of this NG What's the "stae"...?!?! If you meant "state", perhaps it is, but what do YOU know of it? So far, your "knowledge" of the state of Amateur Radio has been trying to weasel out of the Code test for General. He's been doing so for almost two years now. He's not provided one iota of substantiating documentary evidence that his vile "opinions" are even remotely validated. you have just not been looking Indeeed he has gone a long tp porving the dsitain of the FCC with the opening of this thread The "dsitain"...?!?! "tp"...?!?! "porving"...?!?!? "Indeeed"...?!?! More functional illiteracy manifested. In short: Brain P Burke is lying. nah Stev chooses to be blind Nope. Brian P Burke was lying. Mark Morgan, better known as Mork Moron, is backing him up. an old fiend wrote: and again wrote: but you missed one Nope. Left it alone. My point was made on the first one. still forgeing though Huh? "forgeing"...?!?! Did you mean Forgiving? Forging? Foraging? English, fatso...ENGLISH.... Had we been reclassed, there might be actual demands that the ARS would have to live up to other than "goodwill.". and we do just do it in an disorganized keystone copish way Sometimes, maybe. I'm sure there are times when the ARS support is superb. But that is as "volunteers." Things are a lot different when your volunteer status changes to responsibilities you have taskings. Hey Brain, from what FIRST HAND, personal experience do you draw these conclusions? Not sure about BB but I heard that disorganized mess on the air Yeah. Right. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure you did. (More Morkie Mularkie) yes I did listen nothing about my tech license prevents that Nothing in your tech license prevents it. Your having never DONE it does... you can't accepot that obviously you were listen you were driving an umbulance or what ever at the time "accepot"...?!?! "umbulance"..?!?!? WTF are you talking about? So far, EVERYONE, including FEMA, HLS, and others have had nothing but praise for ARES/RACES et al. so we did not #### up as badly as they did What do you mean "we", fatboy? does the words escape your understanding? I understand the ones you wrote with some confusion... The confusion coming from YOUR use of the word "we"... It had no place in that sentence. YOU weren't a part of ANY aspect of ANY Katrina operations. wrong again Nope. Morkl Moron was NOT a part of the Katrina recovery. indeed anything we did made their #### up less serios of course they are going to praise for keeping even more of there fat off the fire What mistakes? steve now claiming the that fema et al did not #### up in Katrina What ####ups? you did not read the sentence Sure I did. And again YOU used the word "we". YOU using the word WE in refrence to any participation in the Katrina recovery ahd no place. and you show yourself as paranoid Nope. I show YOU as a liar. fema did ####up and they were the subject of the sentence you are responding to No...what I was responding to was YOUR use of the word 'we' and any suggestion that the Amateur Radio response to the recovery evolution was anything less than adequate. Still nothing but praise from EVERY entity that had ANY contact with the effort of the Amateur community. indeed the ARS effort was better than FEma's et al I have never said otherwise That's NOT what you typed in the previous posts... Of course YOU refuse to fix your English comprehension and application deficits, and now wonder why no one understood you. I have said and maintian it iwsas not what it should have been. abet in part by the fact we could not interfaces with the non existeant GOvt response There you go with the "we" again. And Morkie...All those USN, USMC, USAF and USCG helos and hovering over New Orleans...were they NOT "government"...?!?! Were the USN and USCG ships off the coast of New Orleans...Not government? And still nothing but unsubstantiated, mistruthful and outright deceitful allegations from the the Twit Brothers of the Feeble Five. you are being deceitful yourself or stupid Nope. Nailed you two idiots on the head. you have gone more than Google window full going off ignoring the post in question E N G L I S H Morkie... STILL awaiting your refrences here.... in My case they wer given months ago Yeah, but being a sexual deviate, chronic liar and deceitful twit have nothing to do with competency in emergency communications. again you contiue your efforts to hijack the thread Nope. I mademany coment of n the subject now you and Dan tried to claim that something the fact I am Bisexalu and kinky mean I know nothing about radio an assertion you still refuse to prove (1) I don't have to prove your sexual perversion. You've made the claim yourself. (2) I can't speak for Dan, but I have NEVER stated that the fact that you're a disgraced liar and sexual pervert has anything to do with radio...It DOES have everything to do with CHARACTER, but that's for another thread. BTW, Morkie...You claim I keep trying to hijack threads and make reference to your "sexaulty"...Yet here YOU are bringing it up AGAIN... I told you before..Don't bring it up, it doesn't get discussed. Guess you just LIKE being proven an idiot...Not that it takes any amount of effort on MY part! Steve, K4YZ |
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