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"J. D. B." wrote: Not quite. Testing on rules, regulations and technical knowledge is a bit different than testing on one specific mode of communication. I use CW, but considered the continued archaic CW testing requirement to be silly and outdated. It should have been dropped 30 years ago. Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license. dxAce Michigan USA |
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dxAce wrote: "J. D. B." wrote: Not quite. Testing on rules, regulations and technical knowledge is a bit different than testing on one specific mode of communication. I use CW, but considered the continued archaic CW testing requirement to be silly and outdated. It should have been dropped 30 years ago. Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license. why? and it isn't a matter f "deserving" alicense at all is about meeting the legal mandaable requirement and now absent the treaty the code fails to make the standards of law and the FCC knows even if you don't dxAce Michigan USA |
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"an old freind" wrote in message oups.com... dxAce wrote: "J. D. B." wrote: Not quite. Testing on rules, regulations and technical knowledge is a bit different than testing on one specific mode of communication. I use CW, but considered the continued archaic CW testing requirement to be silly and outdated. It should have been dropped 30 years ago. Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license. why? and it isn't a matter f "deserving" alicense at all is about meeting the legal mandaable requirement and now absent the treaty the code fails to make the standards of law and the FCC knows even if you don't dxAce Michigan USA 5 WPM is easy. esp if you use Farnsworth. i'm at 18 WPM, and i can copy contest exchanges at 30 WPM. i haven't made a CW QSO in 10 years! i think the code requirement should be 13 WPM plus for the upper classes. keeps the riff raff out. Gravity |
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gravity wrote: "an old freind" wrote in message oups.com... and it isn't a matter f "deserving" alicense at all is about meeting the legal mandaable requirement and now absent the treaty the code fails to make the standards of law and the FCC knows even if you don't dxAce Michigan USA 5 WPM is easy. esp if you use Farnsworth. easy for you not for me I spent 5 years in my teens taking a test every couple of weeks towrds the end. I did get so I might pass either the sending or receiving on a given day but never both guess from that data I suspect isf I had the time and schedule I could mange to pass a receiving or better still a sending test in roughly a year bt I don't my schedule leaves very busy eroids and very slow eriods but all this is beside the point nothing in the treaty give the USA the requirement to make such a test and nothing in the consitiotn reglates the matter so the power to use hf specturm is resvresed byt eh 10th amend to the states or the people themselves (para the constititon unless the power to impose a code test can be shown to exist in other section such preahps shwoing that it is "nessacary and proper" an arguement that could have been made say when the miltary needed to warn us of freqs they were suing in cw or some other argument, the FCC and th congress lack the legeal power to maintain the test if challanged, an expensive and unpleasent task i think the code requirement should be 13 WPM plus for the upper classes. keeps the riff raff out. but it did not keep the riffraf out as the folks listeningt o 80 m have known since long before the last change Gravity |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license. That's needlessly insulting. |
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"gravity" wrote in message news:4496bf14$0$14238 5 WPM is easy. Nonsense. Tell us you can do it --- tell us your mangy hound dog can do it, but steer clear of the blanket statements. It isn't easy to one who can't do it. |
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Sal M. Onella wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license. That's needlessly insulting. well the is DX ace for you never be just rude whenyou can be insulting |
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5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year old
brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't even spell yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV. Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty! I have taught Morse Code off and on for 40 years and from total ignorance to 100% success in 8 hours, 2 hours a week for 4 weeks [plus a little home practice. It is practice [work] that makes it successful.] Some people can learn the code but suffer from "TEST STRESS". They can copy it comfortably in their home or their surroundings; but, when they have to demonstrate that skill in front of a 'WITNESS' who has pass/fail power, they tense up and fail. That's understandable and can be worked with. Some people are dyslexic. But, they can hear it and talk it out, but can't get it on paper. But, they learned the code. If you can learn the english alphabet, if you can learn the english language, if you can read this email then you CAN LEARN Morse Code at 5 WPM. You may never progress to 20 wpm [It took me 24 months at 1 hour of practice a day every day to progress from 5 to 20 wpm] but 5 wpm can be learned. Teaching methods, practice criteria and testing/verification methods become critical for those with difficulty. /s/ DD, W1MCE Sal M. Onella wrote: "gravity" wrote in message news:4496bf14$0$14238 5 WPM is easy. Nonsense. Tell us you can do it --- tell us your mangy hound dog can do it, but steer clear of the blanket statements. It isn't easy to one who can't do it. |
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I'll top post again for brevity and getting to the point.
I like CW! It is most likely going away as a requirement. I'm sad at this. Amateur radio will change as a result. Everything changes. Hopefully the changes will be positive. Dave wrote: 5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year old brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't even spell yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV. Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty! MAJOR SNIPPING from here down. |
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Dave wrote: 5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year old brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't even spell yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV. Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty! I have taught Morse Code off and on for 40 years and from total ignorance to 100% success in 8 hours, 2 hours a week for 4 weeks [plus a little home practice. It is practice [work] that makes it successful.] bulls**** or I'd would have a noivice license rough 3 decades ago Some people can learn the code but suffer from "TEST STRESS". They can copy it comfortably in their home or their surroundings; but, when they have to demonstrate that skill in front of a 'WITNESS' who has pass/fail power, they tense up and fail. That's understandable and can be worked with. never could do it alone with any reliablity either Some people are dyslexic. But, they can hear it and talk it out, but can't get it on paper. But, they learned the code. some dyslexics can true If you can learn the english alphabet, if you can learn the english language, if you can read this email then you CAN LEARN Morse Code at 5 WPM. You may never progress to 20 wpm [It took me 24 months at 1 hour of practice a day every day to progress from 5 to 20 wpm] but 5 wpm can be learned. shove you insistance that you can speak for eveyone where the sun don't shine Teaching methods, practice criteria and testing/verification methods become critical for those with difficulty. indeed as do factors like random chance /s/ DD, W1MCE now even if you are right why should somebody be made to take this test after Icould endure 10 lashes in a public sqare too (and thatwould certainly be easier) |
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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:19:04 -0700, "Sal M. Onella"
wrote: Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license. That's needlessly insulting. No, it's a statement of historic fact, as determined by the licensing authorities. But it's incorrct -- anyone who can't copy 5 wpm deserves a license, but it's Citizen's Band. A further valid statement would be that anyone with an IQ approaching 100 can learn to copy 5 wpm. That's less than one character every two seconds, which gives tons of time to recognize and write the single character before the next one begins. Dyslexia cannot apply, unless it is dyslexia that affects the remembered dot/dash pattern of a single character. -- Larry |
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you have fun with fine go for it
Bear in mind I think Mose and esp the attiudes around are bad for the ARS but I support your freedom to disagree and even to just do something I consider nonproducitve just for sheer joy of it nonproductive? yet somehow saying "get help" 1000 times is a valuable use of time? Gravity I expect the same however for myself /s/ DD, W1MCE |
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gravity wrote: you have fun with fine go for it Bear in mind I think Mose and esp the attiudes around are bad for the ARS but I support your freedom to disagree and even to just do something I consider nonproducitve just for sheer joy of it nonproductive? yes non productive yet somehow saying "get help" 1000 times is a valuable use of time? not in and of itself but to bury the filth posted about me yes it is and it takes very little time indeed I have the process almost automated Gravity |
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an old freind wrote: Dave wrote: SNIPPED Poor Markie, so bitter that kids can pass morse code tests and he is too stupid to pass one. NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do not know any of his/her life's circumstances. It's obvious that Markie is a retard. Wismen labels everybody except himself of course Marky labels everybody Wismen since he is so ****ing stupid and sees Wismen everywhere! I still say, anyone who can learn an/the alphabet can learn Morse Code. For those with difficulty, the solution to the issue is teaching METHODs not the student's difficulty. Any alphabet is recognizing sound patterns. Words are simply combinations of sound patterns. Just look at Markie's posts, He can't learn the alphabet. He can't post in anything resembling English. For 'an_old_friend' I would begin by teaching an alphabet of SOUND PATTERNS. No requirement for speed. Just focus on sound patterns. Keep it very simple. Each two hour lesson would focus on no more than 7 letters until well heard. Then move to SOUND PATTERNS that are close to or similar to those [s]he has learned and is mastering. [Example: learn the sound patterns for 'A', 'W', and 'J' repeat until they are instantly recognized. Then move on to 'N' 'D', 'B', etc. Don't count 'dots' or 'dashes' but hear sound patterns.] prehaps you are trying to be helpfull you are coming off insulting and condesnding that metodalogy was tried and my ears lose the older set of patterns in a few day before I get a hold of the next set Face it, you are too stupid to learn morse code. Having said all this, my defense of CW is not any legal requirement. It is simply the best way to work rare DX. Much less power required. Much less bandwidth required. Much more discernible [copyable] in a pile. And, it is fun! fun for you the migraine headaches I get listening to any of it is not fun none enjoys pain on that level You have nothing in your empty skull to give you headaches, Markie! yes I might be ableto learn well enough now with only a receive or tranmited test (and if I were going to try it would be to send) so I don't have to listen to it you have fun with fine go for it Bear in mind I think Mose and esp the attiudes around are bad for the ARS but I support your freedom to disagree and even to just do something I consider nonproducitve just for sheer joy of it I expect the same however for myself More excuses, loser? |
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an old freind wrote: gravity wrote: you have fun with fine go for it Bear in mind I think Mose and esp the attiudes around are bad for the ARS but I support your freedom to disagree and even to just do something I consider nonproducitve just for sheer joy of it nonproductive? yes non productive Only because you are too stupid and lazy to learn it. yet somehow saying "get help" 1000 times is a valuable use of time? not in and of itself but to bury the filth posted about me yes it is and it takes very little time indeed I have the process almost automated Markie comes up with a rationalization of his spamming. Too bad it's like him, seriously flawed. |
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"Sal M. Onella" wrote in
news:IJKlg.105$lv.102@fed1read12: "gravity" wrote in message news:4496bf14$0$14238 5 WPM is easy. Nonsense. Tell us you can do it --- tell us your mangy hound dog can do it, but steer clear of the blanket statements. It isn't easy to one who can't do it. When code goes away, you're going to be the one that tells us the written is too hard. sc |
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Cecil Moore wrote in
.com: gravity wrote: i have an idea. get rid of the CW and triple the difficulty of the written test. there is certain element of society, which needs to be kept out of the HF spectrum. How about just requiring a scientific/technical degree from an accredited university? That's kind of funny but you know, I could actually agree to that. An EE degree gets you a licence. You're certainly qualified. :-) SC |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:42:03 -0400, Dave wrote: I like CW! It is most likely going away as a requirement. I'm sad at this. Amateur radio will change as a result. Everything changes. Hopefully the changes will be positive. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Don't be sad my friend. CW will survive if people find it useful, and especially if the diehards will stop jamming it down people's throats. News flash: People don't like that with CW or anything else! :-) 73, Bill W6WRT 20 wpm extra, licensed 49 yrs |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:01:14 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: When I got my driver's license in 1952, the driving test was required to be taken on a stick shift vehicle. Do you think that should still be a requirement? *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Of course not. Today's driving test should require making a left turn while dialing a cell phone and sipping a Starbucks. Bill, W6WRT |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:38:49 -0400, Dave wrote: NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do not know any of his/her life's circumstances. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Not true at all. For example I can label you as a Politically Correct, Warm-n-Fuzzy far leftist and be right on the money. Labels have their place. Bill, W6WRT |
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"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... ORIGINAL MESSAGE: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:01:14 GMT, Cecil Moore wrote: When I got my driver's license in 1952, the driving test was required to be taken on a stick shift vehicle. Do you think that should still be a requirement? *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Of course not. Today's driving test should require making a left turn while dialing a cell phone and sipping a Starbucks. and talking on the radio and shifting a manual transmission all at the same time. :-) |
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"pltrgyst" wrote in message ... Dyslexia cannot apply, unless it is dyslexia that affects the remembered dot/dash pattern of a single character. Well, Larry, it took you to the last sentence, but you did actually lurch into the problem. Within seconds after learning what dah-dit-dit-dah means (or dit-dah-dah-dit, for that matter), I fail to accurately recognize them when they are sent again. Hundreds of tries -- all failures, all mine. From your lofty perch, as a successful Morse Code user, you look down on me. You could stand to learn a little humility. It would serve you and the amateur community better than dah-dit-dah any day. |
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"Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... When code goes away, you're going to be the one that tells us the written is too hard. You wish! Of the 55 questions on my Technician License exam, I missed one. ONE! Technically, I'm an above average ham. Through your dirty goggles, however, you see me as some kind of slug because I can't do code. So wrong. Because I already hit the twit filter on you, I won't see any reply you send, so play it up any way you want. |
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"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message news:5h4mg.138$lv.13@fed1read12... "pltrgyst" wrote in message ... Dyslexia cannot apply, unless it is dyslexia that affects the remembered dot/dash pattern of a single character. Well, Larry, it took you to the last sentence, but you did actually lurch into the problem. Within seconds after learning what dah-dit-dit-dah means (or dit-dah-dah-dit, for that matter), I fail to accurately recognize them when they are sent again. Hundreds of tries -- all failures, all mine. From your lofty perch, as a successful Morse Code user, you look down on me. You could stand to learn a little humility. It would serve you and the amateur community better than dah-dit-dah any day. should we get rid of the written test because people can't learn decibels and basic algebra? perhaps the CW test could have a question pool similar to the written. you could memorize all the answers. i am actually dead serious. or standardize the test so that the output is always like a QSO in super morse. there are ways to make the test easier. hmm, or we could have an option that you can view the CW in a spectrogram and decode it visually. Gravity |
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In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Cecil Moore wrote:
: When I got my driver's license in 1952, the driving test : was required to be taken on a stick shift vehicle. Do : you think that should still be a requirement? Yes. -- 73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC Come and join us here in Bloomington, Minnesota, home of the Mall of America, July 27 & 28, 2006 for the 40th annual Central States VHF Society Conference which will be hosted once again by the NLRS. |
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Bill you are 100% wrong!
I am a right wing Republican, socially conservative, I attempt to be morally correct [that makes me politically incorrect quite often], and Conservative Christian [Clergyman]. I favor a very strong military [prior to my retirement from engineering, I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX Missile (WS-118) RS/RV]. I believe the USA Constitution must be read and understood in the social context in which it was written. Changes should be by amendment not judicial agenda. /s/ Rev. Dave , AKA W1MCE See, labels can be 100% incorrect when you don't know the other person's life story. Bill Turner wrote: ORIGINAL MESSAGE: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:38:49 -0400, Dave wrote: NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do not know any of his/her life's circumstances. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Not true at all. For example I can label you as a Politically Correct, Warm-n-Fuzzy far leftist and be right on the money. Labels have their place. Bill, W6WRT |
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On 2006-06-21, Dave wrote:
I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX Missile (WS-118) RS/RV]. You bragging or complaining? nb |
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darpa dave wrote:
I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX Missile (WS-118) RS/RV]. MX missiles destroyed my country, you insensitive clod! Soong |
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Hi there.
Just a quick thought. I will not jump into the code vs. no-code fray. That said, I'd like to pass on an experience I had with a college professor friend of mine many years ago, now passed (Doc Bronfield WA2SMW). I learned CW at the age of 9 using flashing light. Now age 57. Got my novice at age 14 and general at age 15. The extra came easy as did 30 wpm plus CW. Not so with my friend Doc. He tried and tried, and then we realized that he had aural dyslexia. So I had an idea. With the help of local engineering types. They built a keyer that could sent different frequencies slightly for the dits and dahs. That was what he needed to get his code speed up and pass the general using the keyer during a FCC test. Here's what I believe should happen with CW. When I passed my extra there were no extra class operating privileges issued, but the FCC issued a nice Extra class certificate for the accomplishment (which I still have). I suggest we leave the 5 wpm code requirement in place as it now is, but go back to issuing the 20 wpm certificate by VE's. That would, perhaps, satisfy, the pro-code folk? It would reward the accomplishment without necessarily making it an Extra class requirement. Jozef Hand-Boniakowski WB2MIC "Sal M. Onella" wrote in message news:5h4mg.138$lv.13@fed1read12... "pltrgyst" wrote in message ... Dyslexia cannot apply, unless it is dyslexia that affects the remembered dot/dash pattern of a single character. Well, Larry, it took you to the last sentence, but you did actually lurch into the problem. Within seconds after learning what dah-dit-dit-dah means (or dit-dah-dah-dit, for that matter), I fail to accurately recognize them when they are sent again. Hundreds of tries -- all failures, all mine. From your lofty perch, as a successful Morse Code user, you look down on me. You could stand to learn a little humility. It would serve you and the amateur community better than dah-dit-dah any day. |
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notbob wrote:
On 2006-06-21, Dave wrote: I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX Missile (WS-118) RS/RV]. You bragging or complaining? nb Debunking a 'LABEL' |
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Dr. Noonian Soong wrote:
darpa dave wrote: I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX Missile (WS-118) RS/RV]. MX missiles destroyed my country, you insensitive clod! Soong MX missiles have never been launched operationally. They were decommissioned by treaty after the fall of the Soviet Union. If they had been used WE wouldn't be here! You are mistaken. |
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Dr. Noonian Soong wrote:
darpa dave wrote: I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX Missile (WS-118) RS/RV]. MX missiles destroyed my country, you insensitive clod! Soong In as much as the MX missile carries a hydrogen warhead I don't think that Soong's country was destroyed by one. |
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"David G. Nagel" wrote in message ... In as much as the MX missile carries a hydrogen warhead I don't think that Soong's country was destroyed by one. Dr. Nagel, You please listen to me, I get PhD from big university. My university so expensive most American can't buy cafeteria lunch. Long time ago, many years, I make secret lair in Bikini Atoll. American call it that, but I rename to Soong's Micronesian Micronation. It has nice ring to it. Anyway, I build androids and mind my own business, but one day I monitor Americans and they say they blow up my island. Some missile test, but I say waste of perfectly good rocks. I detect submarine with my acoustics, and I transmit on ELF and say "Don't blow up my island please!" But my Engrish so bad, they get confused and jam me with much megawatts. I not give up though. I build big ideograph out of bamboo, it say "Don't blow up my island thanks". But they have no analyst that read my language. I escape in nick of time in my junk ship. look at picture, see big hole in middle of island? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll MX missile destroy me. Now I teach dumb punk how to repair personal computer. I get revenge. I build big contest station and beat everyone. Soong |
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NOPE! The MX missile has 100% nothing to do with the Bikini Tests! Those tests
were conducted after WWII and ended in the 1950s. The MX missile initial deployment was 1985. By today's standards, the Bikini tests were low yield [~20KT] fission devices. Today's standard is moderate yields [~300 to 500 KT] fission-fusion devices. MX has nothing to do with Bikini Atoll. Have fun building your androids. Dr. Noonian Soong wrote: "David G. Nagel" wrote in message ... In as much as the MX missile carries a hydrogen warhead I don't think that Soong's country was destroyed by one. Dr. Nagel, You please listen to me, I get PhD from big university. My university so expensive most American can't buy cafeteria lunch. Long time ago, many years, I make secret lair in Bikini Atoll. American call it that, but I rename to Soong's Micronesian Micronation. It has nice ring to it. Anyway, I build androids and mind my own business, but one day I monitor Americans and they say they blow up my island. Some missile test, but I say waste of perfectly good rocks. I detect submarine with my acoustics, and I transmit on ELF and say "Don't blow up my island please!" But my Engrish so bad, they get confused and jam me with much megawatts. I not give up though. I build big ideograph out of bamboo, it say "Don't blow up my island thanks". But they have no analyst that read my language. I escape in nick of time in my junk ship. look at picture, see big hole in middle of island? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll MX missile destroy me. Now I teach dumb punk how to repair personal computer. I get revenge. I build big contest station and beat everyone. Soong |
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"DrDeath" wrote in message ... [snip] Why do you find the need to boost your (lack of) self-confidence by insulting this person by comparing him to Mark? Mark chooses to sit on his ass sucking the entitlement system dry and contributing nothing to society, while this person decided to make the best of his what God gave him and he contributes to the same entitlement system that Mark chooses to deplete. Earl you are not the Pearl of wisdom, you are the faux Pearl that trolls to enhance your (lack of) self-esteem. Something I just thought of at the spur of the moment (not to mention keeps me on topic), some disabled person should sue to remove ALL code requirements, or offer an exclusion to those with disabilities to not have to take ANY code test under the Americans with Disability Act. I'm sure that person could even get a free ACLU lawyer to handle it. The FCC has already addressed the issue by allowing and requiring the VEs to accommodate the handicapped. They may use lights, pressure pulses, or (for severely handicapped person) send individual letters and ask the person the letters as they send them, etc. They can use a sending test in place of a receiving test. Sending is generally quite a bit easier than copying. The main thing on any accommodation is to contact the VEs in advance. I suspect if the ACLU were to try to take it to court, those handicapped individuals who have passed the code would line up in droves to testify against the ACLU. Those who are handicapped often don't want to be pampered, especially in those areas where they are successful. Dee Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote:
"DrDeath" wrote in message ... "Slow Code" wrote in message Well I described a number of alternatives to learning and he persists in saying he cannot learn code. Now I have not insulted him that I know of (although it's difficult to predict what one might take as an insult). you don't understand why callign someone liar is an insult then you are truly dumber than Wismen |
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Dee Flint wrote: "DrDeath" wrote in message ... I suspect if the ACLU were to try to take it to court, those handicapped individuals who have passed the code would line up in droves to testify against the ACLU. Those who are handicapped often don't want to be pampered, especially in those areas where they are successful. possible but you are unlikely to find many handicapped folks that have assed morse who are handicapped in similar manner to myself lining to to say how doable it is but then gagin again you are dumbe enough think you can call some one liar with out offending them Dee Flint, N8UZE |
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DrDeath wrote: "Dave" wrote in message . .. DrDeath wrote: SNIPPED Something I just thought of at the spur of the moment (not to mention keeps me on topic), some disabled person should sue to remove ALL code requirements, or offer an exclusion to those with disabilities to not have to take ANY code test under the Americans with Disability Act. I'm sure that person could even get a free ACLU lawyer to handle it. Many years ago, 1950s, there was a very active 10 meter ham in Danvers, Massachusetts, during the period of Class A, B and C licenses. He was an arthritic quadriplegic. He was wheel chair bound, lived alone, and required visiting help to get into and out of bed and have his meals prepared and served. He had a Class C [Conditional] license. He learned to copy 'read' CW in his head although he did not have the ability to send. I don't think he would consider a lawsuit appropriate. so what? with all due respsct to this man his problem were not mine (nor mine his) Some of the OTs on this list may have worked him. W1JFS, Les MacCrakin. God Rest His Soul. /s/ DD, W1MCE He may not, but others that may be dyslexic, deaf, or other handicapped person may deem a lawsuit appropriate. May word begin to look for the accololypse I agree with every word in a post from Dr Death aloouth the use of this story doess illustrate what is called in some circle "cripple casts" where the more visible handicaps claim if they greater entitlement to accomodation and as I have said it has been disucussed aclu is not interested and a few people I know are looking for an antonry to take it on, however few are willing as long as the FCC contiues to dangle the likehood they would act in less than the 5 or years prusuing that would take |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
DrDeath wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message . net... Dee Flint wrote: Well I described a number of alternatives to learning and he persists in saying he cannot learn code. ... The fact that he can speak and understand the spoken word means he can learn code at the basic level of 5wpm. A completely deaf person can speak and read lips but he/she still cannot even hear Morse code. What you need to understand is that something that seems normal to you is missing in some people. If an amateur radio license required dunking a basket- ball, could you do it? As one who can dunk a basketball, I can tell you all you need is enough will and effort and you can do it. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp With deaf people use can use a light or a subwoofer for them to copy code. I don't want to stereotype deaf people, but I have found many of them to be hooked on entitlements and expect unreasonable accommodations. all the accomodation I want is my own hearing aid in this is my trusty code reader OTOH since that does absicaly oviate the the test I beleive fairness demands I support ending the tst all together as serving no legitimate RUGULATORY prupose I have a relative that refuses to wear a hearing aid, and then gets angry when there are communication problems. This person is physically able to work; yet sits around on my tax dollars playing the feel sorry for me card. well I earn aliving pay my taxes I just want legal right to fair access to the spectrum that is comon to all of us as american (in the USA abraud YMMV) |
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