400mhz Public Safety
 

I'm trying to figure out the encryption on our local Sheriffs department
400mhz public safety band, our local dispatcher goes to 100 to switch
to the encryption, it garbles the transmissions to the normal scanner
user I use 2 hand helds a Pro-93 and a Uniden BC80XLT. Any help would
be greatly appreciated.

Karn

400mhz Public Safety
 

"Karnaj" wrote in message
news:Q8H5h.1060202$084.11234@attbi_s22...
I'm trying to figure out the encryption on our local Sheriffs department
400mhz public safety band, our local dispatcher goes to 100 to switch to
the encryption, it garbles the transmissions to the normal scanner user I
use 2 hand helds a Pro-93 and a Uniden BC80XLT. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Karn

If you're in the U.S., any help to do that would be illegal.

Bill Crocker

400mhz Public Safety
 

Bill Crocker wrote:
If you're in the U.S., any help to do that would be illegal.

Bill Crocker



Thank you I didn't know that.

Karn

400mhz Public Safety
 

Incorrect .... knowledge is NOT illegal, its the implementaion of such
knowledge

example --- knowing HOW to build a BOMB is not illegal, Building one
IS.

"Bill Crocker" wrote in message
. ..

"Karnaj" wrote in message
news:Q8H5h.1060202$084.11234@attbi_s22...
I'm trying to figure out the encryption on our local Sheriffs department
400mhz public safety band, our local dispatcher goes to 100 to switch to
the encryption, it garbles the transmissions to the normal scanner user
I
use 2 hand helds a Pro-93 and a Uniden BC80XLT. Any help would be
greatly
appreciated.

Karn

If you're in the U.S., any help to do that would be illegal.

Bill Crocker

400mhz Public Safety
 

So you're saying if you advise him how to accomplish his goal, and he gets
busted by the Feds, you could not be charged as an accomplist?

Bill Crocker





"labtech1" wrote in message
...
Incorrect .... knowledge is NOT illegal, its the implementaion of
such
knowledge

example --- knowing HOW to build a BOMB is not illegal, Building one
IS.

"Bill Crocker" wrote in message
. ..

"Karnaj" wrote in message
news:Q8H5h.1060202$084.11234@attbi_s22...
I'm trying to figure out the encryption on our local Sheriffs
department
400mhz public safety band, our local dispatcher goes to 100 to switch
to
the encryption, it garbles the transmissions to the normal scanner user
I
use 2 hand helds a Pro-93 and a Uniden BC80XLT. Any help would be
greatly
appreciated.

Karn

If you're in the U.S., any help to do that would be illegal.

Bill Crocker

400mhz Public Safety
 

Bill Crocker wrote:
So you're saying if you advise him how to accomplish his goal, and he gets
busted by the Feds, you could not be charged as an accomplist?

Bill Crocker

I was asking for knowledge first of all because I've never heard of that
encryption before. I don't need to listen to it, I was trying to get
info on it never heard of that encryption before. Where I used to live
didn't Excrypt their traffic at all. Bill seriously take a breather.

400mhz Public Safety
 

"Bill Crocker" wrote in message
...
I'm not upset, or mad, I'm just trying to keep you out of trouble. As you
said, you didn't know. Besides my comment was to labtech1.

Bill Crocker



"Karnaj" wrote in message
news:MLI5h.142869$aJ.35784@attbi_s21...
Bill Crocker wrote:
So you're saying if you advise him how to accomplish his goal, and he
gets busted by the Feds, you could not be charged as an accomplist?

Bill Crocker

I was asking for knowledge first of all because I've never heard of that
encryption before. I don't need to listen to it, I was trying to get
info
on it never heard of that encryption before. Where I used to live
didn't
Excrypt their traffic at all. Bill seriously take a breather.

I thought that the legality of owning unscramblers was made on a
state-by-state basis, there do you get this "Fed" crap?

HJ

400mhz Public Safety
 

I'm not upset, or mad, I'm just trying to keep you out of trouble. As you
said, you didn't know. Besides my comment was to labtech1.

Bill Crocker



"Karnaj" wrote in message
news:MLI5h.142869$aJ.35784@attbi_s21...
Bill Crocker wrote:
So you're saying if you advise him how to accomplish his goal, and he
gets busted by the Feds, you could not be charged as an accomplist?

Bill Crocker

I was asking for knowledge first of all because I've never heard of that
encryption before. I don't need to listen to it, I was trying to get info
on it never heard of that encryption before. Where I used to live didn't
Excrypt their traffic at all. Bill seriously take a breather.

400mhz Public Safety
 

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
It is a FEDERAL crime to 'use' a descrambler to intercept transmissions
that
are NOT your own. Hence.... if you owned a taxi cab company and wanted to
scramble your transmissions to the cars.... you can legally do it.
However
if you 'used' that descrambler/ scrambler system to intercept police or
another business transmissions you are in violation
of the law.

When did the gov't. pass this law and who enforces it?

Don't say the FCC because they only regulate transmitters, not receivers.

HJ

400mhz Public Safety
 

It is a FEDERAL crime to 'use' a descrambler to intercept transmissions that
are NOT your own. Hence.... if you owned a taxi cab company and wanted to
scramble your transmissions to the cars.... you can legally do it. However
if you 'used' that descrambler/ scrambler system to intercept police or
another business transmissions you are in violation
of the law.


"honestjohn" wrote in message
...

"Bill Crocker" wrote in message
...
I'm not upset, or mad, I'm just trying to keep you out of trouble. As
you
said, you didn't know. Besides my comment was to labtech1.

Bill Crocker



"Karnaj" wrote in message
news:MLI5h.142869$aJ.35784@attbi_s21...
Bill Crocker wrote:
So you're saying if you advise him how to accomplish his goal, and he
gets busted by the Feds, you could not be charged as an accomplist?

Bill Crocker

I was asking for knowledge first of all because I've never heard of
that
encryption before. I don't need to listen to it, I was trying to get
info
on it never heard of that encryption before. Where I used to live
didn't
Excrypt their traffic at all. Bill seriously take a breather.

I thought that the legality of owning unscramblers was made on a
state-by-state basis, there do you get this "Fed" crap?

HJ

400mhz Public Safety
 

thats right as long as you are only suppying information your fine
if however you KNOW he is 'going' to be doing something illegal
then your an accomplice.

For all you know he is learning to be an engineer that works on this stuff
and is just furthering his education. Stop and think about that for a sec...
HOW do people LEARN to build these new circuits and equipment ?
They have to learn it somewhere..... If learning was a crime we'd all
be living
back in caves.

"Bill Crocker" wrote in message
. ..
So you're saying if you advise him how to accomplish his goal, and he gets
busted by the Feds, you could not be charged as an accomplist?

Bill Crocker





"labtech1" wrote in message
...
Incorrect .... knowledge is NOT illegal, its the implementaion of
such
knowledge

example --- knowing HOW to build a BOMB is not illegal, Building
one
IS.

"Bill Crocker" wrote in message
. ..

"Karnaj" wrote in message
news:Q8H5h.1060202$084.11234@attbi_s22...
I'm trying to figure out the encryption on our local Sheriffs
department
400mhz public safety band, our local dispatcher goes to 100 to switch
to
the encryption, it garbles the transmissions to the normal scanner
user
I
use 2 hand helds a Pro-93 and a Uniden BC80XLT. Any help would be
greatly
appreciated.

Karn

If you're in the U.S., any help to do that would be illegal.

Bill Crocker

400mhz Public Safety
 

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
FBI investigates illegal reception of radio transmissions, this includes
cell phones etc

However the FCC DOES 'regulate' receivers...... look on ANY radio and
see
the
"FCC type approved' sticker on it. ANY radio must be 'approved' by the
FCC
before it can be sold in the USA

To insure that the oscillator in the radio doesn't transmit those
oscillations beyond a certain distance from the receiver. The FCC will
never tell anyone what they can or can't listen to. The airwaves are "FREE"
and anyone can listen to anything that they want. The problem only comes
when you repeat what you hear on police frequencies. Plus unscramblers are
not receivers, only an audio accessory to a receiver. The Feds only
investigate people SELLING modified receivers for cell phones, not the
buyers.

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

FBI investigates illegal reception of radio transmissions, this includes
cell phones etc

However the FCC DOES 'regulate' receivers...... look on ANY radio and see
the
"FCC type approved' sticker on it. ANY radio must be 'approved' by the FCC
before it can be sold in the USA


"honestjohn" wrote in message
et...

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
It is a FEDERAL crime to 'use' a descrambler to intercept transmissions
that
are NOT your own. Hence.... if you owned a taxi cab company and wanted
to
scramble your transmissions to the cars.... you can legally do it.
However
if you 'used' that descrambler/ scrambler system to intercept police or
another business transmissions you are in violation
of the law.

When did the gov't. pass this law and who enforces it?

Don't say the FCC because they only regulate transmitters, not receivers.

HJ

400mhz Public Safety
 

think you need to read the communications act of hmm I think it was
passed in 1992 or there abouts.


"honestjohn" wrote in message
et...

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
FBI investigates illegal reception of radio transmissions, this includes
cell phones etc

However the FCC DOES 'regulate' receivers...... look on ANY radio and
see
the
"FCC type approved' sticker on it. ANY radio must be 'approved' by the
FCC
before it can be sold in the USA

To insure that the oscillator in the radio doesn't transmit those
oscillations beyond a certain distance from the receiver. The FCC will
never tell anyone what they can or can't listen to. The airwaves are
"FREE"
and anyone can listen to anything that they want. The problem only comes
when you repeat what you hear on police frequencies. Plus unscramblers
are
not receivers, only an audio accessory to a receiver. The Feds only
investigate people SELLING modified receivers for cell phones, not the
buyers.

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

The air waves are not "FREE" anymore if that were true scanners would still
be sold with
cell coveraqge

And its the communications act of 1996

(g) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter or chapter 121 of this title
for any person--

(i) to intercept or access an electronic communication made through an
electronic communication system that is configured so that such electronic
communication is readily accessible to the general public;

(ii) to intercept any radio communication which is transmitted--

(I) by any station for the use of the general public, or that
relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in distress;

(II) by any governmental, law enforcement, civil defense, private
land mobile, or public safety communications system, including police and
fire, readily accessible to the general public;

(III) by a station operating on an authorized frequency within the
bands allocated to the amateur, citizens band, or general mobile radio
services; or

(IV) by any marine or aeronautical communications system;

(iii) to engage in any conduct which--

(I) is prohibited by section 633 of the Communications Act of 1934;
or

(II) is excepted from the application of section 705(a) of the
Communications Act of 1934 by section 705(b) of that Act;

(iv) to intercept any wire or electronic communication the
transmission of which is causing harmful interference to any lawfully
operating station or consumer electronic equipment, to the extent necessary
to identify the source of such interference; or

(v) for other users of the same frequency to intercept any radio
communication made through a system that utilizes frequencies monitored by
individuals engaged in the provision or the use of such system, if such
communication is not scrambled or encrypted.


"honestjohn" wrote in message
et...

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
FBI investigates illegal reception of radio transmissions, this includes
cell phones etc

However the FCC DOES 'regulate' receivers...... look on ANY radio and
see
the
"FCC type approved' sticker on it. ANY radio must be 'approved' by the
FCC
before it can be sold in the USA

To insure that the oscillator in the radio doesn't transmit those
oscillations beyond a certain distance from the receiver. The FCC will
never tell anyone what they can or can't listen to. The airwaves are
"FREE"
and anyone can listen to anything that they want. The problem only comes
when you repeat what you hear on police frequencies. Plus unscramblers
are
not receivers, only an audio accessory to a receiver. The Feds only
investigate people SELLING modified receivers for cell phones, not the
buyers.

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

(4)(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection or in
subsection (5), whoever violates subsection (1) of this section shall be
fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(b) If the offense is a first offense under paragraph (a) of this
subsection and is not for a tortious or illegal purpose or for purposes of
direct or indirect commercial advantage or private commercial gain, and the
wire or electronic communication with respect to which the offense under
paragraph (a) is a radio communication that is not scrambled, encrypted or
transmitted using modulation techniques the essential parameters of which
have been withheld from the public with the intention of preserving the
privacy of such communication, then--

(i) if the communication is not the radio portion of a cellular
telephone communication, a cordless telephone communication that is
transmitted between the cordless telephone handset and the base unit, a
public land mobile radio service communication or a paging service
communication, and the conduct is not that described in subsection (5), the
offender shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one
year, or both;


Hmmm sounds like the FCC ( federal law ) IS telling you what you can and
can not listen
to.

"honestjohn" wrote in message
et...

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
FBI investigates illegal reception of radio transmissions, this includes
cell phones etc

However the FCC DOES 'regulate' receivers...... look on ANY radio and
see
the
"FCC type approved' sticker on it. ANY radio must be 'approved' by the
FCC
before it can be sold in the USA

To insure that the oscillator in the radio doesn't transmit those
oscillations beyond a certain distance from the receiver. The FCC will
never tell anyone what they can or can't listen to. The airwaves are
"FREE"
and anyone can listen to anything that they want. The problem only comes
when you repeat what you hear on police frequencies. Plus unscramblers
are
not receivers, only an audio accessory to a receiver. The Feds only
investigate people SELLING modified receivers for cell phones, not the
buyers.

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
The air waves are not "FREE" anymore if that were true scanners would
still
be sold with
cell coveraqge

And its the communications act of 1996

(g) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter or chapter 121 of this
title
for any person--



Do you know what "not be unlawful" means? It means it is legal to:


(i) "It is legal to" to intercept or access an electronic
communication made through an
electronic communication system that is configured so that such electronic
communication is readily accessible to the general public;

(ii) " It is legal to" intercept any radio communication which is
transmitted--


***********************************

I rest my case!

Not you need to rest.

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

"labtech1" wrote in message

(b) If the offense is a first offense under paragraph (a) of this
subsection and is not for a tortious or illegal purpose or for purposes of
direct or indirect commercial advantage or private commercial gain, and
the
wire or electronic communication with respect to which the offense under
paragraph (a) is a radio communication that is not scrambled, encrypted or
transmitted using modulation techniques the essential parameters of which
have been withheld from the public with the intention of preserving the
privacy of such communication, then--


"direct or indirect commercial advantage or private commercial gain"
Does not apply to any average "Joe" listening to a radio and not scheming to
make a buck from what he hears!




Hmmm sounds like the FCC ( federal law ) IS telling you what you can
and
can not listen to.

Hmmm sounds like you need a little legal refresher course. The Germans did
not win WWII, by the way. The airwaves are still free as you posted in the
previous post. Get a reality check and take a nap before your "feeding
frenzy" causes you to stroke-out!

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

"labtech1" wrote in message

I think .

I doubt that!

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

your a riot

READ the wording and use your head and common sense when reading it

IT SAYS :
(v) for other users of the same frequency to intercept any radio
communication made through a system that utilizes frequencies monitored by
individuals engaged in the provision or the use of such system, if such
communication is not scrambled or encrypted.

Yep its LEGAL ...... IF communications ARE NOT ENCRYPTED or SCRAMBLED



"honestjohn" wrote in message
...

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
The air waves are not "FREE" anymore if that were true scanners would
still
be sold with
cell coveraqge

And its the communications act of 1996

(g) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter or chapter 121 of this
title
for any person--



Do you know what "not be unlawful" means? It means it is legal to:


(i) "It is legal to" to intercept or access an electronic
communication made through an
electronic communication system that is configured so that such
electronic
communication is readily accessible to the general public;

(ii) " It is legal to" intercept any radio communication which is
transmitted--


***********************************

I rest my case!

Not you need to rest.

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

John I think your HOPELESS you read into things WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO
BE .......... not what they are.

If the airwaves were 'free' there would NOT be any laws governing their
RECEPTION
but there is ( cell phones, cordless phones, pagers etc ) You need to
read the NEW communications laws since 1934 ( it has been added to and
things have changed since
then ...... but since your still concerned about WWII ( which was 60+ years
ago ) ) New things seem to elude you.



"honestjohn" wrote in message
et...

"labtech1" wrote in message

(b) If the offense is a first offense under paragraph (a) of this
subsection and is not for a tortious or illegal purpose or for purposes
of
direct or indirect commercial advantage or private commercial gain, and
the
wire or electronic communication with respect to which the offense under
paragraph (a) is a radio communication that is not scrambled, encrypted
or
transmitted using modulation techniques the essential parameters of
which
have been withheld from the public with the intention of preserving the
privacy of such communication, then--


"direct or indirect commercial advantage or private commercial gain"
Does not apply to any average "Joe" listening to a radio and not scheming
to
make a buck from what he hears!




Hmmm sounds like the FCC ( federal law ) IS telling you what you can
and
can not listen to.

Hmmm sounds like you need a little legal refresher course. The Germans
did
not win WWII, by the way. The airwaves are still free as you posted in
the
previous post. Get a reality check and take a nap before your "feeding
frenzy" causes you to stroke-out!

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
John I think your HOPELESS you read into things WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO
BE .......... not what they are.

If the airwaves were 'free' there would NOT be any laws governing their
RECEPTION
but there is ( cell phones, cordless phones, pagers etc ) You need to
read the NEW communications laws since 1934 ( it has been added to and
things have changed since
then ...... but since your still concerned about WWII ( which was 60+
years
ago ) ) New things seem to elude you.


Have you ever heard of anyone arrested or convicted of unscrambling a
scrambled message?

Are the FBI agents going to "bug" every home in America with listening
devices to see who unscrambled a message?

Is your name really Chicken Little yelling the sky is falling?

Get a grip, any laws are aimed at criminals and those who make and sell
communications equipment and not the average individual in his own house
listening to the scanner.

Take your lithium.

HJ

400mhz Public Safety
 

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
your a riot

READ the wording and use your head and common sense when reading it

IT SAYS :
(v) for other users of the same frequency to intercept any radio
communication made through a system that utilizes frequencies monitored by
individuals engaged in the provision or the use of such system, if such
communication is not scrambled or encrypted.

Yep its LEGAL ...... IF communications ARE NOT ENCRYPTED or SCRAMBLED

Have you ever heard of anyone arrested or convicted of unscrambling a
scrambled message?

Are the FBI agents going to "bug" every home in America with listening
devices to see who unscrambled a message?

Is your name really Chicken Little yelling the sky is falling?

Get a grip, any laws are aimed at criminals and those who make and sell
communications equipment and not the average individual in his own house
listening to the scanner.

Take your lithium.

HJ

400mhz Public Safety
 

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
ok you have convinced me you're a RETARD

The conversation wasn't 'its only a crime if your caught'. It was about
WHAT IS THE LAW and I don't see any Attorny prefix in front of your name.
You jump from one subject to another to suit your arguement and convice
people you 'know what your talking about'
Unfortunatly YOU DON"T .

OK, you have convinced me you're a RETARD.

I don't see any Attorny prefix in front of your name, wtf is an "attorny
prefix". How old are you, 12?

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

"labtech1" wrote in message

Again....... you're a RETARD

BTW do you also go by the nick 'Slowcode' ?????

No I don't, 12 year-old retard.

H.J.

400mhz Public Safety
 

ok you have convinced me you're a RETARD

The conversation wasn't 'its only a crime if your caught'. It was about
WHAT IS THE LAW and I don't see any Attorny prefix in front of your name.
You jump from one subject to another to suit your arguement and convice
people you 'know what your talking about'
Unfortunatly YOU DON"T .

"honestjohn" wrote in message
...

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
your a riot

READ the wording and use your head and common sense when reading it

IT SAYS :
(v) for other users of the same frequency to intercept any radio
communication made through a system that utilizes frequencies monitored
by
individuals engaged in the provision or the use of such system, if such
communication is not scrambled or encrypted.

Yep its LEGAL ...... IF communications ARE NOT ENCRYPTED or SCRAMBLED

Have you ever heard of anyone arrested or convicted of unscrambling a
scrambled message?

Are the FBI agents going to "bug" every home in America with listening
devices to see who unscrambled a message?

Is your name really Chicken Little yelling the sky is falling?

Get a grip, any laws are aimed at criminals and those who make and sell
communications equipment and not the average individual in his own house
listening to the scanner.

Take your lithium.

HJ

400mhz Public Safety
 

Again....... you're a RETARD

BTW do you also go by the nick 'Slowcode' ?????


"honestjohn" wrote in message
et...

"labtech1" wrote in message
...
John I think your HOPELESS you read into things WHAT YOU WANT THEM
TO
BE .......... not what they are.

If the airwaves were 'free' there would NOT be any laws governing their
RECEPTION
but there is ( cell phones, cordless phones, pagers etc ) You need
to
read the NEW communications laws since 1934 ( it has been added to and
things have changed since
then ...... but since your still concerned about WWII ( which was 60+
years
ago ) ) New things seem to elude you.


Have you ever heard of anyone arrested or convicted of unscrambling a
scrambled message?

Are the FBI agents going to "bug" every home in America with listening
devices to see who unscrambled a message?

Is your name really Chicken Little yelling the sky is falling?

Get a grip, any laws are aimed at criminals and those who make and sell
communications equipment and not the average individual in his own house
listening to the scanner.

Take your lithium.

HJ

400mhz Public Safety
 

"labtech1" wrote in message

Simple solution to this one 'honestjohn' in the filter list

I thought that autistic 12 year old would never leave!

What happens in your own home, stays in your home! Even decoding messages.

H.J. (made and sold unscramblers for 8 yrs. and paid an atty. to interpret
the laws)

p.s. Don't tell Chicken Little, he'll cry!

400mhz Public Safety
 

Simple solution to this one 'honestjohn' in the filter list

BTW Attorney Honest John would be a THE prefix

But they don't give sheepskins to RETARDS

"honestjohn" wrote in message
et...

"labtech1" wrote in message

Again....... you're a RETARD

BTW do you also go by the nick 'Slowcode' ?????

No I don't, 12 year-old retard.

H.J.