emcom wackers wrote:

"Neighborhood coordinators should be equipped with General Mobile
Radio
Service (GMRS) radios when possible. As indicated, these radios can
communicate on the first 7 channels of FRS radio, plus 8 additional
frequencies. These radios have a farther effective range (typically
reliable to 2 miles in urban areas, and farther using repeater
systems). Use of these should be limited so as not to cause undue
frequency congestion."

"Since the ham operator is already involved in emergency message
relaying, he/she is most likely monitoring several other radios/
frequencies, and will potentially be receiving messages from multiple
neighborhood coordinators via the GMRS/FRS link"

nice, so you're using gmrs radios at higher power levels than frs
radios including gmrs repeaters.

I hate to tell you emcom wackers and other wackers out there this (no,
not really. ha!), but you're STILL illegal.

The FCC has already ruled you're a business.

The FCC has also alreasy ruled that business use is NOT allowed on
GMRS unless you're a grandfathered organization.

At least, business use by organizations isn't allowed.

No, this wasn't a recent ruling. This ruling has been in effect for
years.

Since you yourselves stated in the above paragraphs that you either
intend to or are using higher power GMRS, then whether you have a GMRS
license or not, you ARE illegal bubble pack pirates.

And if you're not using the bubble packs, you're STILL illegal,
period.

Dome wackers , the police type claim they do it to uphold the law
because the law must always be upheld against people breaking it
because the people breaking it must either be fined or put in jail.

Well, wackers, if you're so for upholding the law and d hate everyone
who breaks it, why are you than continually breaking it yourselves?

Well?

Is there a point to be made here? Sounds like mindless ranting to me?
N9ZAS

the problem is

several neighborhoods and neighborhood watches have already appounted
certain people in their neighborhood as head og frs/gmrs in case of an
emergency, although probably not in every neighborhood.

Then along comes emcom and appounts theirselves as heads in the same
neighborhoods,

so what now happens is

in case of an emergency, the heads appointed by emcom and neighborhood
watches will be fighting and arguing over who is in charge of the
emergencies and frs/gmrs channels.

NOT a good situation, in my opinion.

Emcom should be using either the public safety channels or the
business channels.

In article
,
radioguy wrote:

Then along comes emcom and appounts theirselves as heads in the same
neighborhoods,

so what now happens is

in case of an emergency, the heads appointed by emcom and neighborhood
watches will be fighting and arguing over who is in charge of the
emergencies and frs/gmrs channels.


as per FCC Rules, GMRS/FRS are Open Frequencies, and ALL Users MUST
yield the Frequency to Emergency Communications, on a Situation by
Situation Basis. So if one party has a "Safety of Life and Property
Situation ongoing on Frequency, then ALL OTHER Users MUST find alternate
Frequencies to use, while the SOL&P is ongoing. When the ongoing
situation is resolved, OR the local FCC EIC issues a Cease & Desist
Order, which ever comes first, then the frequency returns to an Open
Frequency, available for other communications.

There would be No fighting and arguing about who has the Frequency, as
it is Open Untill the First SOL&P Transmission, and then it stays with
that Party untill the SOL&P Issue is resolved, or a C&D Order from the
local FCC EIC, is announced.

This stuff is all resolved in the FCC Rules, already... NO harm, Ho
Foul...

On Oct 28, 6:21*pm, You wrote:
In article
,

*radioguy wrote:
Then along comes emcom and appounts theirselves as heads in the same
neighborhoods,

so what now happens is

in case of an emergency, the heads appointed by emcom and neighborhood
watches will be fighting and arguing over who is in charge of the
emergencies and frs/gmrs channels.

as per FCC Rules, GMRS/FRS are Open Frequencies, and ALL Users MUST
yield the Frequency to Emergency Communications, on a Situation by
Situation Basis. So if one party has a "Safety of Life and Property
Situation ongoing on *Frequency, then ALL OTHER Users MUST find alternate
Frequencies to use, while the SOL&P is ongoing. When the ongoing
situation is resolved, OR the local FCC EIC issues a Cease & Desist
Order, which ever comes first, then the frequency returns to an Open
Frequency, available for other communications.

There would be No fighting and arguing about who has the Frequency, as
it is Open Untill the First SOL&P Transmission, and then it stays with
that Party untill the SOL&P Issue is resolved, or a C&D Order from the
local FCC EIC, is announced.

This stuff is all resolved in the FCC Rules, already... NO harm, Ho
Foul...

more proof the wackers just don't get it.

Several neighborhood watches appointed certain people as head of frs/
gmrs communications in an emergency just like the wackers did except
thery're not wacked out.

In an emergency situation, they will tell the emcom wackers to get
off the channel because "it's an emergency and FCC rules require (the
wackers) to move off frequey in an emergency since they (the appointed
head of frs/gmrs neighbrhood watch in case of emergencies) is in
charge of running the emergency communications on frs/gmrs whenever
there's an emergency.

While the emcom wackers will tell the neighborhood watch frs/gmrs
emergency head to get off the channel because it's an emergency and
FCC rules require them to move since they the self-appointed emcom
person is in charge of frs/gmrs during an emergency.

Then an argument erupts between all the emcom workers and all the
neighborhood watch people.

That IS a frequency fight.

In article
,
radioguy wrote:

Hey Dufus, No, you just don't get it.....

more proof the wackers just don't get it.

Several neighborhood watches appointed certain people as head of frs/
gmrs communications in an emergency just like the wackers did except
thery're not wacked out.

this isn't about who self-Appoints who, to what, it is about, who starts
the FIRST Safety of Life and Property Communication on the OPEN
Frequency, Period....

In an emergency situation, they will tell the emcom wackers to get
off the channel because "it's an emergency and FCC rules require (the
wackers) to move off frequey in an emergency since they (the appointed
head of frs/gmrs neighbrhood watch in case of emergencies) is in
charge of running the emergency communications on frs/gmrs whenever
there's an emergency.

as Stated Above, The Station who initiates the FIRST SOL&P Communication
on ANY Open Frequency, controls that frequency, untill the SOL&P Issue
is resolved, OR the local FCC-EIC issues a Cease and Desist Order, which
ever comes first, PERIOD....


While the emcom wackers will tell the neighborhood watch frs/gmrs
emergency head to get off the channel because it's an emergency and
FCC rules require them to move since they the self-appointed emcom
person is in charge of frs/gmrs during an emergency.


In the case directly above, the emcom folks would be in violation of FCC
Rules, in that they would be interfering with SOL&P Communications in
progress, and therefore would be subject to Comm-Act 1934 as Amended,
prosecution, which can levy fines and imprisonment of $10KUS and 5 Years
in Prison per violation, and each interfered with communication is a
violation.

Then an argument erupts between all the emcom workers and all the
neighborhood watch people.

Any argument that erupted would be a violation of the SOL&P
Communication in Progress Rules and subject to Enforcement Action
under Camm-Act 1934 as Amended.


That IS a frequency fight.

Nope, this is all well understood, by everyone in FCC Enforcement, and
been in place for MANY Years, but apparently not by YOU..... You need to
learn a bit more, Sonny, before you blather on about things you don't
understand....

"radioguy" wrote in message
...
emcom wackers wrote:

"Neighborhood coordinators should be equipped with General Mobile
Radio
Service (GMRS) radios when possible. As indicated, these radios can
communicate on the first 7 channels of FRS radio, plus 8 additional
frequencies. These radios have a farther effective range (typically
reliable to 2 miles in urban areas, and farther using repeater
systems). Use of these should be limited so as not to cause undue
frequency congestion."

"Since the ham operator is already involved in emergency message
relaying, he/she is most likely monitoring several other radios/
frequencies, and will potentially be receiving messages from multiple
neighborhood coordinators via the GMRS/FRS link"

nice, so you're using gmrs radios at higher power levels than frs
radios including gmrs repeaters.

I hate to tell you emcom wackers and other wackers out there this (no,
not really. ha!), but you're STILL illegal.

**** off