Wrong newsgroup for this.

Charlie .. .

^ Would a license still be required if used for personal
^ use? What is the purpose of the license?

There is no license for FRS. A license is required for GMRS. FRS is limited
to a half watt and GMRS can go up to 50 watts. FRS and GMRS have about eight
frequencies in common but then they also have about eight more each that the
other does not share. GMRS also has a set of frequencies that can be used
with repeaters, similar to the 2 meter ham band. FRS is almost unlimited in
how it can be used (because of the low power) but GMRS is fairly strict.

The purpose of the license is to help ensure responsible usage of a radio
system that can be used over a wide area.


^ I found one single at best buy, but it was a 5-mile
^ gmrs type radio.


You can use that without a license if you restrict yourself to the FRS only
channels. The documentation included with the radio will explain.

Frank

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"Frank" wrote in message news:01c34ddd$b302eb50$0125250a@bbuhfoevzywwybsb ...
Wrong newsgroup for this.

Charlie .. .

^ Would a license still be required if used for personal
^ use? What is the purpose of the license?

There is no license for FRS. A license is required for GMRS. FRS is limited
to a half watt and GMRS can go up to 50 watts. FRS and GMRS have about eight
frequencies in common but then they also have about eight more each that the
other does not share. GMRS also has a set of frequencies that can be used
with repeaters, similar to the 2 meter ham band. FRS is almost unlimited in
how it can be used (because of the low power) but GMRS is fairly strict.

The purpose of the license is to help ensure responsible usage of a radio
system that can be used over a wide area.


^ I found one single at best buy, but it was a 5-mile
^ gmrs type radio.


You can use that without a license if you restrict yourself to the FRS only
channels. The documentation included with the radio will explain.

Frank

(Charlie) wrote in message . com...
What other newsgroup is there for posting this type of message?

alt.radio.family

Charlie, considering all the other messages I seen along with yours were
nothing but "POLITICAL" - I would ignore that comment. YOUR post was not
exactly scanner related - but it was more in the ball park than the other
posts. These net cops kill me..... They feel everyone should be "perfect"
even beginners just feeling their way around the internet. DON'T lose any
sleep over it, it isn't worth it.

L.


"Charlie" wrote in message
om...
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"Frank" wrote in message
news:01c34ddd$b302eb50$0125250a@bbuhfoevzywwybsb ...
Wrong newsgroup for this.

Charlie .. .

^ Would a license still be required if used for personal
^ use? What is the purpose of the license?

There is no license for FRS. A license is required for GMRS. FRS is
limited
to a half watt and GMRS can go up to 50 watts. FRS and GMRS have about
eight
frequencies in common but then they also have about eight more each that
the
other does not share. GMRS also has a set of frequencies that can be
used
with repeaters, similar to the 2 meter ham band. FRS is almost unlimited
in
how it can be used (because of the low power) but GMRS is fairly strict.

The purpose of the license is to help ensure responsible usage of a
radio
system that can be used over a wide area.


^ I found one single at best buy, but it was a 5-mile
^ gmrs type radio.


You can use that without a license if you restrict yourself to the FRS
only
channels. The documentation included with the radio will explain.

Frank

"Frank" wrote in message
news:01c34ddd$b302eb50$0125250a@bbuhfoevzywwybsb.. .

You can use that without a license if you restrict yourself to the FRS
only
channels. The documentation included with the radio will explain.


Unfortunately, you are wrong and giving out incorrect advice. A GMRS radio,
even the cheapy ones in the blister packs, will put out more power than
legally allowed, even on the "common" frequencies shared by both. Because
of this, you need the license, even to transmit of the "FRS channels".

PH

...

^ A GMRS radio, even the cheapy ones in the blister
^ packs, will put out more power than legally allowed ...

The radios I've looked at have two power settings and the instructions
explain that the higher power setting can only be used with a license. I
don't thing the FCC would certify them otherwise.

^ Because of this, you need the license, even to transmi
^ of the "FRS channels".

Only if you use the higher power setting.

The FCC should not have permitted the two bands combined in one radio. They
must've known that violations would be more common than not and licenses
would be few. My guess us that they intend to eventually combine GMRS and FRS
as FRS and omit the licensing requirement. Similar to what happened with the
HF CB band.

Frank

"Frank" wrote in message
news:01c34f6c$325688a0$0125250a@lktnlsvecoydbmks.. .

...

^ A GMRS radio, even the cheapy ones in the blister
^ packs, will put out more power than legally allowed ...

The radios I've looked at have two power settings and the instructions
explain that the higher power setting can only be used with a license. I
don't thing the FCC would certify them otherwise.

The ones I've got won't take the 'hi' power setting for the FRS
channels. They're crap, anyway. I finally bit the bullet and bought a _real_
GMRS radio, Icom F21GM. Thing cost nearly as much as my 2-meter mobile
rig...




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Robert ...

^ I finally bit the bullet and bought a _real_
^ GMRS radio, Icom F21GM. Thing cost nearly as
^ much as my 2-meter mobile rig...

I don't know how much two-meter radios go for and I couldn't locate any
pricing information on Icom's web site. What's the price of the Icom F21GM?

Frank

"Frank" wrote in message
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Robert ...

^ I finally bit the bullet and bought a _real_
^ GMRS radio, Icom F21GM. Thing cost nearly as
^ much as my 2-meter mobile rig...

I don't know how much two-meter radios go for and I couldn't locate any
pricing information on Icom's web site. What's the price of the Icom
F21GM?

Best deal I found was at AES for 149.95 - I think you might find it
now for $139. My 2-meter is the V8000 w/75 watts, which I got for 169.95
during the big rebate sale last month Icom had. (Actually, it's an ongoing
thing - HF radios are marked down now, I think.)

Bear in mind the F21 is a real radio, even has repeater off-sets.
Very substantial-feeling radio (my limited experience with Icom thus far is
making me as fond of them as I am of Uniden. I just wish the programming was
a simple as Uniden's!)





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"Frank" wrote in message
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...

^ A GMRS radio, even the cheapy ones in the blister
^ packs, will put out more power than legally allowed ...

The radios I've looked at have two power settings and the instructions
explain that the higher power setting can only be used with a license. I
don't thing the FCC would certify them otherwise.


The radios cannot be used as FRS because they are _capable_ of being
operated at a higher power setting, which is a clear violation of the rules
set out for FRS. Because of this the operator MUST have a license, even if
they are using the lower power setting.

^ Because of this, you need the license, even to transmi
^ of the "FRS channels".

Only if you use the higher power setting.

The FCC should not have permitted the two bands combined in one radio.
They
must've known that violations would be more common than not and licenses
would be few. My guess us that they intend to eventually combine GMRS and
FRS
as FRS and omit the licensing requirement. Similar to what happened with
the
HF CB band.

See, that's where everyone is confused. They bands are NOT combined. The
radios only have a _portion_ of the FRS band, not the whole thing. The ONLY
reason they have a portion is because the two bands happen to overlap each
other, as set forth by the FCC rules. Like I said above, the radios can not
be used without a license because they do not comply with the rules set
forth for FRS radios which are license free. They do, however, comply with
the rules set forth for GMRS, which does require a license...

PH