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Dwayne November 15th 03 11:58 PM

In article ,
says...
othanks (James S. Prine) wrote in
:

I read the post on Highway workers, if you read this (the poster of the
topic), your point is well taken.

We are ambushed, just by non-human things. A co-worker, working in the
same place that I had all day, with the exception that the mechanics had
removed an inspection plate to examine a valve stem, took a breath and
fell to the grating (floor), unconscious. The supervisor wasn't sure
what to do in the next few seconds, not sure if the man was even
breathing. Fortunately, the man began snoring (a good sign of life), and
in about 40 seconds, he awoke, looking around, saying "I'm ok". He had
fallen with his legs bent behind him. Had he not fallen to the grating
and over the side he would have plummeted to his death.

Another co-worker had gone out early in the morning to do his rounds,
and he noticed a leak (fluids) into a containment area. When he
attempted to start a steam siphon to clear the contaminated water from
the area, he instantly fell unconscious, falling off a small wall onto
the street. Had he of fallen into the containment area, he would be
dead. He laid there unconscious until the gas service (they check the
level of toxic gasses throughout the plant) men found him. He was
transported to a PGH area hospital, and remained there for several days.
His face was quite a mess, as he fell off the wall while standing up. Is
an ambush any worse than this, especially if the victim had died?

I was at work one day when a storage tank blew up, casting its top (30
feet in diameter), over the side onto the roadway. A man routinely needs
to go to the top of the tanks as part of his rounds. If he had been
killed, would he have been any less dead than an officer killed my some
maniac? Would it have been any less expected? Is it not an ambush of
sorts? The only difference is that with an industrial accident, there
will be no backup support, no SWAT team. You run, hope to escape the
destruction, and wait for it to stabilize before returning. When your
buddy gets connected to 13800 volts (yes, it happened at my plant,
though it wasn't my buddy), how does one extricate him? One doesn't. You
watch, hope he doesn't completely fry, then get help. The man I speak of
lived and returned to work. Another was carrying a pipe that connected
to a 69000 Volt line, blowing through his buckle and down his legs,
blowing his shoes off. He lived but was unable to return to work, his
internal organs having been too seriously injured. My co-workers, being
with him, ran when it first occurred. After obtaining safe distance,
they realized that their buddy was involved, and returned to him when
the sparks were over. No bulletproof vest would help.

Ambush by human means or by mechanical means is the same if the
recipient is dead or crippled.

Videotaping, an excellent topic. With the police fetish of taping the


How did this thread go from a bald guy with grey hair to all this?
--
Dwayne
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BC895/

[email protected] November 16th 03 01:11 AM

Besides, OSHA regulations don't apply to government agencies...including the police.

Really? Where are you? They do apply within the state of California.
Even the State of California itself is no longer exempt...

Ghost writer November 16th 03 02:22 AM

Not sure how MY name got affixed to the story below, that certainly wasn't
MY story! Tags are getting confused here! G.W.

"James S. Prine" wrote in message
...
Ghost writer wrote:

You know, many years back, my team was called...our of our

jurisdiction...to
handle an overturned 18-wheeler blocking a roadway.

When we got there, we discovered that the driver was pinned inside the

cab, and
screaming for help. The tank...filled with gasoline...had split, and the
gasoline was literally pouring out and rapidly filling in the little ditch

we
were working in, trying to extricate the driver.

It was an extremely interesting experience, trying to get the driver out

of the
truck and continue breathing in the unbelievable fumes from the

gasoline...I
was up midway to my shins at one point!

Somehow we got the guy out without anyone (including us) being

incinerated; we
got him to the hospital for treatment (he did fine), and of course the

entire
team had to go off duty and discard our ruined clothing.

I think my first shower was an hour long, and I smelled like a fuel farm

for a
week.

We all got sick from inhaling the gasoline fumes of course, and, as a

reward,
the driver slapped us with a huge civil suit!

Yes, the intense 'glory' of public service work....the heady feel of being

a
'hero'....

LOL










James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/





Ghost writer November 16th 03 02:48 AM

Just suffice it to say, there is no room in the Police, EMS, Fire OR
Military for people who "try" to be HEROES. It only ends up getting them or
others killed or seriously hurt. As I said, they in their quest, lose all
track of training, danger signals and so on.
IT DOESN'T PAY. You want to be or see a hero, look to sports. You want
glory, look to sports or Politics - as another also pointed out as well. IT
DOESN'T BELONG in the Emergency or Military areas. People may come in with
that in mind, but as one man pointed out, TRAINERS do their damndest to
chase that out of the services. WE can't stop people from seeking glory or
wanting to be a hero, but we sure don't need them either. As stated, it puts
us all at risk. When the tones go off, I do my job. Will I end up a hero? I
don't know nor do I care. I go to do the job required. Will I come back
alive or unhurt? I don't know, but I can rely on my skills to try to assure
that. I'd rather be alive to help another day than to be a hero and risk
getting myself or others killed or seriously hurt in the process.

As to budget cuts, most everyone is experiencing them. Crime is up and it
will take longer for a response from Police with fewer working. Here, even
the State Police are swamped with calls due to providing coverage in areas
where local police aren't available - plus their own State assigned areas.
They've even had response times of about 45 minutes. Calls are prioritized.
They can only do so much and if it is a nasty call, it will tie up more for
longer periods of time...

As one man pointed out, where is the "heroism or glory" of scraping up one's
remains? THERE ISN'T. I've done it a few times and it is very sad and
disgusting. If you get a "thrill" out of that, you got a serious problem.
G.W.



James S. Prine November 16th 03 04:22 AM

Not sure how MY name got affixed to the story below, that certainly wasn't
MY story! Tags are getting confused here! G.W.


Sorry about that, Ghost Writer.


James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/



James S. Prine November 16th 03 04:37 AM

Besides, OSHA regulations don't apply to government agencies...including
the police.

Really? Where are you? They do apply within the state of California.
Even the State of California itself is no longer exempt...


I'm currently based in Louisiana, and government agencies here, including
police departments, are still exempt from OSHA regulations.

Of course Louisiana is the oddball State in any event; it is the only State in
the country where the laws are based on the old Napoleonic Code while all the
other States use English common law.

I understand that the OSHA exemptions might be coming to an end sooner or
later, but for the time being...well, there it is.

LOL...between the polluted river water, the polluted marshlands and the
polluted air, New Orleans itself should be shut down and sealed off g.





James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/



James S. Prine November 16th 03 04:39 AM

Dwayne wrote:

Im not the one that made that remark. Someone got things all screwed up
when they was replying and now makes it look like I was the one that
said the stupid stuff.


No problem amigo...we all know the truth now.

Thanks, and cheers!


James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/



Ghost writer November 16th 03 04:42 AM

"James S. Prine" wrote in message
...
Not sure how MY name got affixed to the story below, that certainly

wasn't
MY story! Tags are getting confused here! G.W.


Sorry about that, Ghost Writer.


James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/



No problem! G.W.



WilleeCue November 16th 03 06:12 AM

I guess you have your perception of the situation and I have mine.

If my explanation did not make any since to you as to the differences
between the dangers at your job and someone in law enforcement then nothing
I could ever say would.

William Lee


"Soliloquy" wrote in message
4...
"WilleeCue" wrote in
:

First, the job is reasonably safe. OSHA cannot insure that a 1500 HP
motor, driving 2 stages of compressors, will not throw it's coupler with
disastrous results when a compressor fails. It has thrown them through
walls, the motor subsequently catching on fire. Heavy industry utilizes
complex and potentially dangerous equipment as a requisite to their
function. The circuit breakers for the 13800 volt equipment are the size
of a refrigerator. Why don't police just insist of their supervisors
that their jobs be made safe?




WilleeCue November 16th 03 06:15 AM

Dont ya hate it when that happens?
A lot of stupid disagrements have started just because some one could not
follow the thread.
Those of us that can follow them know who said what.

William Lee


"Dwayne" wrote in message
.net...
In article ,
othanks says...
But describing police officers as 'idiots with guns', etc, isn't

particularly
funny, nor do I think the miserable 'cops & donut shop' quips as being

funny,
either,

Im not the one that made that remark. Someone got things all screwed up
when they was replying and now makes it look like I was the one that
said the stupid stuff.
--
Dwayne
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BC895/



James S. Prine November 16th 03 06:19 AM

Dont ya hate it when that happens?
A lot of stupid disagrements have started just because some one could not
follow the thread.
Those of us that can follow them know who said what.


Read my post and you'll see that I responded appropriately, and to the proper
individual.

If this doesn't suit you, too bad.


James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/



WilleeCue November 16th 03 02:37 PM

If you read my post you would see that I was replying to Dwayne, not you,
James.
I also did not mention any names.

But ... your reply was exactly on topic and is a great example of exactly
what I was saying.
Thanks.

William Lee


"James S. Prine" wrote in message
...
Dont ya hate it when that happens?
A lot of stupid disagrements have started just because some one could not
follow the thread.
Those of us that can follow them know who said what.


Read my post and you'll see that I responded appropriately, and to the

proper
individual.

If this doesn't suit you, too bad.


James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/





James S. Prine November 16th 03 04:54 PM

Soliloquy wrote:
We are ambushed, just by non-human things.


Quite frankly, I find it fascinating, yet rather odd, that you'd have the
audacity to compare inanimate objects with the workings of malicious human
beings.

No one has ever said (certainly not I) that working in industrial plants was
entirely safe...quite the contrary.

I've worked in an industrial plant myself...Amax Nickel Refining Company, in
the Ammonium Nitrate division (Area 13...lovely number!), and know how nasty
things can get. I had more than a few close shaves there, including narrowly
missing falling into a vessel filled with ammonia (the fumes literally consumed
my coveralls and I passed out while I was attempting to 'gauge' the tank), and
falling through a roof into a burning building while fighting a fire.

Is it not an ambush of sorts?


No, no, it's not an ambush of any sorts. Inanimate objects do not act from
free will, and so, cannot 'ambush'.

The only difference is that with an industrial accident, there
will be no backup support, no SWAT team.


Wow...here in Louisiana, the industrial plants are required to have their own
fire departments, HAZMAT units, medics, etc. And, it might interest you that
not every law enforcement agency has its own SWAT team...small municipal
departments cannot afford them in any event...and depending upon a State or
County team might take far too long to be of any benefit.

Ambush by human means or by mechanical means is the same if the
recipient is dead or crippled.


My dictionary defines 'ambush' as 'a deployment of persons in hiding to make a
surprise attack', and I'll have to go along with the dictionary in this issue.


With the police fetish of taping the
perpetrator


Fetish? I understood that videotaping perpetrators was to simply provide an
'unbiased witness', so to speak, during public contacts. A 'fetish' denotes
something entirely different.

I feel that
police should be required to wear cameras when entering homes or
businesses, to preclude those unfounded claims of brutality. If the
actions are honorable and according to procedure, why not tape them?


An interesting idea. But, would you like public service officials entering
your home and videotaping everything you do and say, the appearance of your
home and furnishings, etc? And, who would store the tapes, administer them,
etc? How long would they be kept? Would the video records have to be shared
with other government agencies, such as the IRS, Family Services, and so on?
Opens a lot of cans of worms, does it not?

Of course, there is always the possibility that they don't want the
video tapes since they (the tapes) show what abuses the police are
capable of.


LOL...being human beings, I imagine 'the police' are as capable of stupid,
silly, dangerous, or occasionally criminal behavior, as anyone else. But your
suggeston that 'the police' are afraid of being videotaped while performing
their duties doesn't necessarily hold much water.

What I had a
problem with is that the police, after securing the youths in the police
car, continued with an inspection of the stolen car.


Why? Was the vehicle impounded? Prior to being 'towed', or even sealed, the
police are invariably required to inventory the vehicle and its contents.

Three officers
were pulling packages out of the trunk, and ripping wrapping paper off
them, it was Christmas time and whoever owned the car must recently have
made purchases. They were looking for stuff to steal.


Really? Did you see any of the Officers steal anything, or is that just your
hunch? If you thought the Officers were trying to steal the items, why didn't
you obtain whatever information was available about them, and make an official
complaint, or call your local media?

Hell, if they
found anything of value, they could blame the black kids for stealing
it.


LOL...you can't have it both ways. The black kids in the stolen car *had*
already stolen the property. It had to be identified and undoubtedly
inventoried. There might have been information (not known to you) about one
(or more) of the packages inside the car that the police were trying to locate.
You didn't have all the available facts, but you immediately jump to the
conclusion that the police were trying to steal things.

They were actually peeking around the trunk periodically to see if
anyone was watching.


Yes, it's called 'situational awareness', for one thing. How did 'the police'
know that a backup team of punks might not have showed up to ambush them and
set their colleagues free? Sounds crazy, doesn't it, but we're finding out
more and more that gangs of thieves are acting in concert, with tactics,
communications, and weaponry available to facilitate all sorts of nasty things.

There was another officer in front of the stolen
car, they need not fear for their safety, no crowd had gathered.


LOL...it doesn't take 'a crowd' to fire a shot from a roof or a window, or to
initiate a drive-by shooting.

They
were paranoid that someone would see them, maybe that someone would FILM
them.


Actually, if seems that the paranoia in this incident is emanating from you.

Police need to use their brains. As they are programmed by
indoctrination that we are all "their enemies", they are ever willing to
do such atrocities as these.


Interesting, and yes, apparently I was correct about assuming that you are more
than a little paranoid. In the 'high school raid' in S.C. that you mentioned,
even you admitted that arrests had been made, yet you add that police dogs were
used to 'terrorize' the students, etc. You read an article, and take it as
gospel. Interesting indeed.

Even in Israel, some of the soldiers have
enough chutzpah to violate orders and refuse immoral commands.


My goodness....now you're equating foreign soldiers' actions with those of
American police officers! Unreal.

Too many
police use the excuse that they are just doing as ordered.


Ok...provide some documentation...names, dates, places. Prove it.

No one has
the right to violate others in such a manner. They didn't find anything.
What assholes. Brave armed men with crew cuts and dogs, corralling the
evil teenagers.


Oh, we're back to South Carolina again? Sorry, I thought we were still in
Isreal with the I.D.F. Sorry, my mistake g. As you wrote, arrests *had*
been made, so, what's your beef? That the teenagers had been 'terrorized' by
the police? I say again, you read an article, no doubt a totally UNbiased
article, and you feel that it is totally factual. Okay, you live in your
little world, and let the rest of us live in ours, amigo.

This was truly sickening. I can see why police abhor cameras.


Again, an unfounded assertation unproven by fact.

I grew up with a kid whose father was a commander on the PGH fire
department...


Remainder snipped for brevity...so now, the actions of a Fire Department
official many years ago are the basis of your problem with authority ficgures,
specifically, the police? If you knew that the man had stolen property in his
home, why didn't you say something it when it could have done some good, rather
than rant about it years later?

Yes, we have had suicides, yes the job is stressful. Have you tried
breathing chemicals all day?


Er, yes. I live in Louisiana, where our atmosphere reeks 24/7 from the nearby
chemical and refining plants...they don't call my neighborhood 'cancer alley'
for nothing g.

Have you worked 16 hours a day 6 days a week for several weeks (I
haven't but many have been compelled to).


Yes, I actually have pulled tours like that...for months on end. I really like
the 'days off' which you have to spend in Court after working 16 hours, or
attending mandatory training, etc.

What about all the small time cops? Do they automatically get the
same adulation without the work?


LOL...there you go again, with 'adulation' and I guess you'll be referring to
'worshipping cops', etc., again.

Of the following, none of them knew that the building was going to fall.


WRONG! Many of the NYFD members knew that the buildings *were* going to fall,
it was just a matter of time. Radio transmissions from the doomed men inside
the towers have confirmed this.

By concentrating on the valor of the
firemen, we omit recognition of the citizens that also did truly heroic
things.


Nonsense! I think everyone out there, in whatever capacity, performed well
that day...and in the horrendous days that followed. Except of course the
thieves and looters.

I suggest that you and others support the police, the ones worthy of
support, and leave the worship for church.


I can make some suggestions for you, too, but doubt that they'd make much
difference g.


James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/



James S. Prine November 16th 03 07:35 PM

And you for yours. Sorry to see you abandoned as you have been.

LOL...Airborne...we're *supposed* to be surrounded g.


James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/



James S. Prine November 16th 03 07:42 PM

Clifton T. Sharp Jr. wrote:

I almost pooped my pants when we were taught the Illinois regulations for
driving with lights and sirens. The laws are such that if a car "driving
code" is sitting at a full stop and some drunk loses control, spins out,
rolls over, and hits him, the guy with the lights and sirens is responsible.
Fortunately, the courts hold otherwise if there's any evidence that the
"code" car wasn't responsible.


It's much the same in Louisiana...no matter who is truly at fault in a given
situation, the police are nearly always held responsible, as far as civil
liabilities, etc.

Really makes you want to run around and help people, eh?




James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/



Frank November 17th 03 12:08 AM

Clifton T. Sharp Jr. ...

^ I've been on the scene when a firefighter saved a life
^ by pulling someone from a burning building. I've also
^ been there when firefighters cried because they couldn't
^ pull someone, or discovered a lifeless body.

^ I can tell you that the latter guys weren't crying
^ because of missed glory.

No, of course not. They behaved as most humans would. But I wasn't talking
about how people behave in their jobs or how well they perform them. What I
was describing is one of the primary reasons why people seek dangerous jobs.
For glory. And as I said, much of that is suppressed in most people after
their education and training. In addition, since you brought it up, the
reason someone takes a job does not necessarily affect how they perform the
job.

^ Frank:
^ Why do people do dangerous jobs? Either for the glory, the
^ money, or, more rarely, because it is something important
^ that must be done.


^ I wasn't a hero, I was the guy covering the
^ omission. It was all stuff someone had to do
^ and no one was doing it.

^ I've been in the "hero" spot once or twice and all it does
^ is confuse me.

^ It never seemed to me that I had done anything exceptional
^ at all ...

^ To me, it seemed like any other little task I'd done ...

Were we discussing you or are you seeking glory?

Frank


Frank November 17th 03 11:05 PM

Clifton T. Sharp Jr. ...

^ Frank wrote:
^ ... I wasn't talking about how people behave in their
^ jobs or how well they perform them. What I was describing
^ is one of the primary reasons why people seek dangerous
^ jobs. For glory.

^ I can't say I've ever seen anyone in a public-safety job
^ for more than six months who meets your description. I've
^ seen a few who lasted a shorter time, but they quit fast.

That statement is consistent with what I have been describing. Unless you're
examining these people during the initial screening process or during their
initial training you are not likely to see any.


^ This is a serious question. How did you get glory-seeking
^ out of what I said there?

I didn't, but early in this discussion you asked "how many lives have you
saved?" (which implies "you don't know what you're talking about, you're not
one of us") then in your previous message you proceed to describe some of the
super things that you've done. These are not definitive but they are
indicators that you want people to know that you've done some great things.
Why do people want others to know that they've done great things? Most people
who want this sort of attention don't come right out and say something like
"look at how good I am, I save lives daily!". They would be scorned if they
did so they learn to disguise their effort in a way just like you did. I
personally would have chosen another person to use as an example.


^ I said I'd had the glory seat once or twice and didn't
^ WANT it.

True, but you receive more glory by saying those things and then stating that
you don't want glory because of them.

Frank


w4jle November 17th 03 11:11 PM

Frank, has anyone ever told you your a butthead? If not allow me to be the
first.

"Frank" wrote in message
news:01c3ad5f$4cedff30$0125250a@obhlfrnsmfnowhve.. .
Clifton T. Sharp Jr. ...

^ Frank wrote:
^ ... I wasn't talking about how people behave in their
^ jobs or how well they perform them. What I was describing
^ is one of the primary reasons why people seek dangerous
^ jobs. For glory.

^ I can't say I've ever seen anyone in a public-safety job
^ for more than six months who meets your description. I've
^ seen a few who lasted a shorter time, but they quit fast.

That statement is consistent with what I have been describing. Unless

you're
examining these people during the initial screening process or during

their
initial training you are not likely to see any.


^ This is a serious question. How did you get glory-seeking
^ out of what I said there?

I didn't, but early in this discussion you asked "how many lives have you
saved?" (which implies "you don't know what you're talking about, you're

not
one of us") then in your previous message you proceed to describe some of

the
super things that you've done. These are not definitive but they are
indicators that you want people to know that you've done some great

things.
Why do people want others to know that they've done great things? Most

people
who want this sort of attention don't come right out and say something

like
"look at how good I am, I save lives daily!". They would be scorned if

they
did so they learn to disguise their effort in a way just like you did. I
personally would have chosen another person to use as an example.


^ I said I'd had the glory seat once or twice and didn't
^ WANT it.

True, but you receive more glory by saying those things and then stating

that
you don't want glory because of them.

Frank




James S. Prine November 17th 03 11:27 PM

"Saving lives', 'heros', etc.; all of it is a crock.

One might as well give an airline captain a medal every time he lands an
aircraft, after all, 'he's just saved several hundred lives!"

LOL

James S. Prine
http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/



Frank November 18th 03 11:45 AM

Clifton T. Sharp Jr. ...

^ I don't believe I've saved any lives. But I didn't burst
^ in here bragging about how dangerous my surroundings are
^ and try to use that to diminish the contribution of public
^ safety personnel to society.

No one did that. The guy asked a good question: why do emergency services
personnel get all the glory when there are other dangerous, and sometimes
more dangerous, jobs out there. And I answered that question: because we
don't want to pay them what they are worth so we thank them with glory. You,
on the other hand, for a reason you wish not to admit, have turned this
discussion so that it centers on you.

I'm not here to discuss you, I'm here to discuss radios.

Frank


WilleeCue November 18th 03 05:02 PM

Excellent answer, Frank.

I dont know what it is worth so will you settle for some glory?

William Lee


"Frank" wrote in message
news:01c3adc9$6bd97130$0125250a@wqthyngmczujkoau.. .
Clifton T. Sharp Jr. ...

^ I don't believe I've saved any lives. But I didn't burst
^ in here bragging about how dangerous my surroundings are
^ and try to use that to diminish the contribution of public
^ safety personnel to society.

No one did that. The guy asked a good question: why do emergency services
personnel get all the glory when there are other dangerous, and sometimes
more dangerous, jobs out there. And I answered that question: because we
don't want to pay them what they are worth so we thank them with glory.

You,
on the other hand, for a reason you wish not to admit, have turned this
discussion so that it centers on you.

I'm not here to discuss you, I'm here to discuss radios.

Frank




Ryan, KC8PMX November 19th 03 10:25 AM

I am one of those firefighters who have seen some horrific scenes, and I
tell you, it would take a real cold-hearted prick to not feel something when
a scene has gotten bad as listed below. Most firefighters are caring human
beings, who are doing the job because they love the type of work and care
about their fellow man. After all, with the risk, and lack of pay that they
possibly could earn in other jobs, why else would they do that type of work?

If a firefighter is ecstatic after a scene when well, that is because the
rush of doing what they do has not been dampened by a fatality or drastic
loss.

I am man enough to admit that there has been a couple of scenes that
afterward, later that evening I actually cried a bit. The worst calls to go
on is where a kid is lost! That really gets to a person!


--
Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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"Clifton T. Sharp Jr." wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
Clifton T. Sharp Jr. ...
^ I've been on the scene when a firefighter saved a life
^ by pulling someone from a burning building. I've also
^ been there when firefighters cried because they couldn't
^ pull someone, or discovered a lifeless body.

^ I can tell you that the latter guys weren't crying
^ because of missed glory.

No, of course not. They behaved as most humans would. But I wasn't

talking
about how people behave in their jobs or how well they perform them.

What I
was describing is one of the primary reasons why people seek dangerous

jobs.
For glory.






Dwight Stewart November 21st 03 10:49 AM


"Dave Holford" wrote:

My favourites a

"In pursuit of xxxxxx, Northbound on Bank Street."
"That's me you're chasing."



Something very similar to that happened here about two summers ago. They
were chasing a white pick-up. One reported he was going to get in front of
the vehicle. About thirty seconds later, another said, "you're getting in
front of me. Can't you tell the difference between a white pick-up and white
SUV?" The other said, "sorry about that. What was the color of the vehicle
again?" The other screamed "it's the god d**n white pick-up right in front
of you." The other one said something in response but I didn't hear what he
said - I was too busy laughing.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Dwight Stewart November 21st 03 11:22 AM

"James S. Prine" wrote:

Did you ever think that the policeman was
describing the individual as being bald on
top with gray on the sides? Of course not,
you're too busy laughing at your own 'wit'.

If's easy to sit on your ass and criticize other
people who are trying to do a serious job
without being crippled or killed doing it.

Your 'donut shop' quip was so original and
amusing, too.



You need to lighten up, James. The thought of a bald man described as
having grey hair is indeed funny, regardless of the real intent of the
description. There is no criticism of anybody in that. As for the comment
about the donut shop, Dwayne (the person who posted the "grey hair" message
you replied to with the above) didn't say that - someone else did. And,
around here, because cops still do tend to hang out at donut shops on the
night shift, those jokes still have some humor left. While local cops may be
slightly irritated by those jokes (because there may be some truth in them),
I haven't met one yet that is truly that offended.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Ghost writer November 21st 03 12:41 PM

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
link.net...
"James S. Prine" wrote:

Did you ever think that the policeman was
describing the individual as being bald on
top with gray on the sides? Of course not,
you're too busy laughing at your own 'wit'.

If's easy to sit on your ass and criticize other
people who are trying to do a serious job
without being crippled or killed doing it.

Your 'donut shop' quip was so original and
amusing, too.



You need to lighten up, James. The thought of a bald man described as
having grey hair is indeed funny, regardless of the real intent of the
description. There is no criticism of anybody in that. As for the comment
about the donut shop, Dwayne (the person who posted the "grey hair"

message
you replied to with the above) didn't say that - someone else did. And,
around here, because cops still do tend to hang out at donut shops on the
night shift, those jokes still have some humor left. While local cops may

be
slightly irritated by those jokes (because there may be some truth in

them),
I haven't met one yet that is truly that offended.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Our local cops take a real ribbing on various things... donut shop, etc. IF
you're not using it to insinuate something, they could care less and roll
right along with you on the jokes. They too are human and like to poke fun.
They get their job done and they do it well. There are a few who don't like
them, but gee, can you guess who the crowd consists of? Those who've been
busted.
G.W.



Dwight Stewart November 22nd 03 04:41 PM

"Ghost writer" wrote:

Our local cops take a real ribbing on various
things... donut shop, etc. IF you're not using
it to insinuate something, they could care less
and roll right along with you on the jokes.
They too are human and like to poke fun.
They get their job done and they do it well.
There are a few who don't like them, but gee,
can you guess who the crowd consists of?
Those who've been busted.



Oh, I agree. Most of the cops I've met are pretty decent fellows. I got to
know a lot of the local cops one summer after I started grilling late at
night after work (two or three in the morning). Obviously, it wasn't long
before cops started driving by to see what the heck I was doing. That
eventually led to passing conversations and even to several getting out of
their cars to talk for a while. On some nights, I had three or four police
cars parked in front of my house and five or six officers sitting around the
yard talking. A couple of them even started bringing hamburger, buns, and so
on, to throw on the grill.

Of course, all of this led to some very strange looks from people driving
by (perhaps because the cops were just sitting around - a cop in uniform
grilling in the middle of the night may have looked a little strange also),
and questions from some of the neighbors, but I didn't care - I had the
safest house in town while they were there. I also knew more about what was
going on around town than most. And, finally, I also got the radio
frequencies for every police, fire, and law enforcement, agency in this part
of the State (including many frequencies I didn't even know about) and lists
of the codes they used.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Ghost writer November 22nd 03 04:55 PM

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
link.net...
"Ghost writer" wrote:

Our local cops take a real ribbing on various
things... donut shop, etc. IF you're not using
it to insinuate something, they could care less
and roll right along with you on the jokes.
They too are human and like to poke fun.
They get their job done and they do it well.
There are a few who don't like them, but gee,
can you guess who the crowd consists of?
Those who've been busted.



Oh, I agree. Most of the cops I've met are pretty decent fellows. I got

to
know a lot of the local cops one summer after I started grilling late at
night after work (two or three in the morning). Obviously, it wasn't long
before cops started driving by to see what the heck I was doing. That
eventually led to passing conversations and even to several getting out of
their cars to talk for a while. On some nights, I had three or four police
cars parked in front of my house and five or six officers sitting around

the
yard talking. A couple of them even started bringing hamburger, buns, and

so
on, to throw on the grill.

Of course, all of this led to some very strange looks from people

driving
by (perhaps because the cops were just sitting around - a cop in uniform
grilling in the middle of the night may have looked a little strange

also),
and questions from some of the neighbors, but I didn't care - I had the
safest house in town while they were there. I also knew more about what

was
going on around town than most. And, finally, I also got the radio
frequencies for every police, fire, and law enforcement, agency in this

part
of the State (including many frequencies I didn't even know about) and

lists
of the codes they used.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Well! If they were on lunch break, what would it matter? They have to eat
too! Who knows, could be their last! I have no problem with it. The
neighbors should have felt safe too! G.W.



Dr. John November 27th 03 08:01 AM

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:49:20 GMT, "Dwight Stewart" belch-spoke these
words:


"Dave Holford" wrote:

My favourites a

"In pursuit of xxxxxx, Northbound on Bank Street."
"That's me you're chasing."



Something very similar to that happened here about two summers ago. They
were chasing a white pick-up. One reported he was going to get in front of
the vehicle. About thirty seconds later, another said, "you're getting in
front of me. Can't you tell the difference between a white pick-up and white
SUV?" The other said, "sorry about that. What was the color of the vehicle
again?" The other screamed "it's the god d**n white pick-up right in front
of you." The other one said something in response but I didn't hear what he
said - I was too busy laughing.



Priceless. How long have SUV's been around for him not to know that one was different from a p/u?

John

Dwight Stewart November 27th 03 03:54 PM

"Dr. John" wrote:

Priceless. How long have SUV's been
around for him not to know that one
was different from a p/u?



I'm sure the mix-up was one of those heat of the moment things (perhaps
someone trying a little too hard). Regardless, it was pretty darn funny at
the moment. And I'm sure all involved got ribbed about it by other officers
afterwards.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Ghost writer November 27th 03 04:16 PM

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"Dr. John" wrote:

Priceless. How long have SUV's been
around for him not to know that one
was different from a p/u?



I'm sure the mix-up was one of those heat of the moment things (perhaps
someone trying a little too hard). Regardless, it was pretty darn funny at
the moment. And I'm sure all involved got ribbed about it by other

officers
afterwards.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


Hey, cops are humans, they can and do make mistakes like the rest of us. Our
crew here does a hell of a good job, but believe me, when one of them screws
up such as mentioned above, they don't live it down. So, they catch it from
within... And ya know, we all get a laugh out of it. They drop by the fire
station often and we all know about their escapades. If we didn't hear about
it on the scanner, we usually hear it from one of them. Of course, if we
screw up, they get on us as well. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. As long as it
doesn't cost anyone a life, limb or property, nothing or at least not much
is lost. You learn from your mistakes and move on. That is why ALL
departments be they Police, Fire, EMS - SHOULD - critique their calls when
over. TO LEARN from any mistakes made. G.W.



Ghost writer November 30th 03 11:34 AM



"Clifton T. Sharp Jr." wrote in message
...
Ghost writer wrote:
WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES.


Nto me.

--


REALLY? I refer you to your above reply! :)
G.W.




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