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LOL Something funny I just heard during a chase
Cop 1 What was the discription of the suspect?
Cop 2 bald with grey hair -- Dwayne http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BC895/ |
Cop 1 What was the discription of the suspect?
Cop 2 bald with grey hair Maybe the suspect was nekkid. ;-) Wait, if IT is grey, that would have been disgusting to see! |
"Dwayne" wrote in message
.net... Cop 1 What was the discription of the suspect? Cop 2 bald with grey hair Ha ha, that's great. Is there a site somewhere with a collection of funny scanner quotes or recordings? Cop radio "outtakes" perhaps? |
In article v6Esb.138717$ao4.442621@attbi_s51,
says... Cop 1 What was the discription of the suspect? Cop 2 bald with grey hair Maybe the suspect was nekkid. ;-) Wait, if IT is grey, that would have been disgusting to see! Thanks for putting that ugly thought in my head -- Dwayne http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BC895/ |
Noah wrote: "Dwayne" wrote in message .net... Cop 1 What was the discription of the suspect? Cop 2 bald with grey hair Ha ha, that's great. Is there a site somewhere with a collection of funny scanner quotes or recordings? Cop radio "outtakes" perhaps? My favourites a "In pursuit of xxxxxx, Northbound on Bank Street." "That's me you're chasing." "I need a sergeant for a single vehicle accident." "Why?" "It's my vehicle." Dave |
Cop 1 What was the discription of the suspect?
Cop 2 bald with grey hair Ha ha, that's great. Yeah, great that idiots like that are on our streets with guns telling us what to do. All I hear are cops getting ****ed off all day that everyone is wearing their seatbelt and they haven't been able to pull anyone over for it all day long. Made the mistake of giving that tape to the local news station. Now that channel is scrambled. Gee, poor cops. Why not see what is going on at the donut shop again? |
"solong" wrote in message
... Cop 1 What was the discription of the suspect? Cop 2 bald with grey hair Ha ha, that's great. Yeah, great that idiots like that are on our streets with guns telling us what to do. All I hear are cops getting ****ed off all day that everyone is wearing their seatbelt and they haven't been able to pull anyone over for it all day long. Made the mistake of giving that tape to the local news station. Now that channel is scrambled. Gee, poor cops. Why not see what is going on at the donut shop again? Here's one for you...... Officer #`1 - Call going down, female cop gets injured. She calls in - officer down. County clears the airwaves to get a general area. They respond help. They ask for the air to stay clean of non emergency traffic. Officer #2 - is trying to contact her to get to her. Officer #3 - comes on after being asked NOT to do any license tags for a few to do what? ASK FOR ONE. Officer #2 comes on and says.. HEY, CLEAR THE FU(#!ING AIR, WE HAVE AN OFFICER DOWN. Officer #3 says I need a tag run, it will only be a minute. He is then reminded of keeping the air clean Officer #2 says CLEAR THE AIR, THAT DAMNED TAG CAN WAIT. IF you don't like it, meet me after this is over. County - OK PEOPLE, we have an emergency in progress, let's act professional. G.W. |
Yeah, great that idiots like that are on our streets with guns telling us
what to do. Did you ever think that the policeman was describing the individual as being bald on top with gray on the sides? Of course not, you're too busy laughing at your own 'wit'. If's easy to sit on your ass and criticize other people who are trying to do a serious job without being crippled or killed doing it. Your 'donut shop' quip was so original and amusing, too. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
Dwayne ...
^ Cop 1 What was the discription of the suspect? ^ Cop 2 bald with grey hair It could seem funny if you're not familiar with other uses of the word "bald". Bald doesn't have to mean no hair -- it can also be used if only the top of the head has no hair. Frank |
The erudite Frank wrote:
It could seem funny if you're not familiar with other uses of the word "bald". Bald doesn't have to mean no hair -- it can also be used if only the top of the head has no hair. Quite right! But some people have more ass than class, and it seems that they delight in demonstrating that at every opportunity g. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
"Dwayne" wrote in message
.net... In article , othanks says... Yeah, great that idiots like that are on our streets with guns telling us what to do. Did you ever think that the policeman was describing the individual as being bald on top with gray on the sides? Of course not, you're too busy laughing at your own 'wit'. If's easy to sit on your ass and criticize other people who are trying to do a serious job without being crippled or killed doing it. Your 'donut shop' quip was so original and amusing, too. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ Get a sence of humor. For Gods sake why does everyone have to be so serious and bitch about everything here. It seems that one post cant go by without some smart ass response. -- Dwayne http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BC895/ For the record, I have "several" friends who are cops. It is a tough job a lot of the time. Maybe not all, but a lot. They have "fun" when they can - like most do. Being a firefighter and previous Paramedic, I know that you have to find humor when possible.. Some of the things you see stick with you for life. You do the job when others run from it. Call it a sick sense of humor, but you have to deal with the outcome of the calls. Don't believe me, if you're not involved, try it sometime. And yes, WE ALL have our bad apples. There isn't a profession on this earth that doesn't. As to the words said on the radios, in excitement, or blank of mind, people often say things that they wish they hadn't. Others tend to not want them to forget. They play up on those words and the person who uttered them never lives them down. As most things, you can merely look upon them as "bloopers". Like clips of movie takes, comedies, sit-coms, etc. NO ONE IS PERFECT. The TV bloopers unless live TV, can be edited. Things said over a radio can not. Regardless of the bloopers made on a radio, so long as those men and women are out doing their jobs to protect us from the scum we all face, a blooper is insignificant as opposed to a threat to my security. So, try to look upon this with the humor as was intended (I believe). I'm sure they have as well, with a red face! G.W. |
Get a sence of humor. For Gods sake why does everyone have to be so
serious and bitch about everything here. It seems that one post cant go by without some smart ass response. LOL...actually, I have a sense of humor. But describing police officers as 'idiots with guns', etc, isn't particularly funny, nor do I think the miserable 'cops & donut shop' quips as being funny, either, unless of course one still counts with one's fingers and toes g. No, that original post was nasty, not funny, and I stand by my response. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
"Ghost writer" wrote this:
For the record, I have "several" friends who are cops. It is a tough job a lot of the time. Maybe not all, but a lot. They have "fun" when they can - like most do. Being a firefighter and previous Paramedic, I know that you have to find humor when possible.. Some of the things you see stick with you for life. You do the job when others run from it. Call it a sick sense of humor, but you have to deal with the outcome of the calls. Don't believe me, if you're not involved, try it sometime. And yes, WE ALL have our bad apples. There isn't a profession on this earth that doesn't. LOL...actually, I agree with you a hundred percent, with all this. As to the words said on the radios, in excitement, or blank of mind, people often say things that they wish they hadn't. Others tend to not want them to forget. They play up on those words and the person who uttered them never lives them down. As most things, you can merely look upon them as "bloopers". Like clips of movie takes, comedies, sit-coms, etc. NO ONE IS PERFECT. The TV bloopers unless live TV, can be edited. Things said over a radio can not. Agreed. Regardless of the bloopers made on a radio, so long as those men and women are out doing their jobs to protect us from the scum we all face, a blooper is insignificant as opposed to a threat to my security. So, try to look upon this with the humor as was intended (I believe). I'm sure they have as well, with a red face! I stand corrected, Ghost Writer; thanks for setting me straight. FWIW, I have a unique interest in police humor...Hell, I even wrote a book about it... and I admit that I've worked with too many good cops over the years...and buried a few of them...to just sit idly by when I feel that the good guys are being unfairly criticized. Take care, and good luck! James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
"James S. Prine" wrote in message
... Get a sence of humor. For Gods sake why does everyone have to be so serious and bitch about everything here. It seems that one post cant go by without some smart ass response. LOL...actually, I have a sense of humor. But describing police officers as 'idiots with guns', etc, isn't particularly funny, nor do I think the miserable 'cops & donut shop' quips as being funny, either, unless of course one still counts with one's fingers and toes g. No, that original post was nasty, not funny, and I stand by my response. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ In that regard I DO agree with you. COPS aren't as they used to be... they are now all required to undergo vast training. Even in smaller areas. It isn't like the past where most anyone could be given a badge and gun. Even the Constables. A few years ago, you got elected, you were the man. No training necessary. NOT NOW. The world has changed. COPS are human, they too are prone to errors. IT HAPPENS! WE ALL DO. I've seen people take cops as idiots when the cops were merely trying to cut them a break. The people involved were the "idiots". Basically, "I" have come away with the thought that anyone who hates cops, "USUALLY" has a past with them. They got caught speeding, dealing, whatever. Yes, I'm human too, I've been busted speeding twice. It was MY fault, not the cops. Why blame them? If a person can't admit to their own mistakes and learn from them, then I pity them. However, when I got busted, I didn't give them a bunch of bull ****. Being I didn't, they cut me a break. They said so. One guy had me dead to rights. I wasn't thinking - was consumed by a days events and was way over in my speed. He wrote me up for 10 over. And I'm going to argue that? HELL NO. Don't be an ass and you won't have a problem. Take your punishment like a man/woman. Admit to your mistakes. Why make it harder? And since we're into the Holidays.. One thing I DO ADVOCATE is a DESIGNATED DRIVER. I've pulled far too many people out of crashes, INNOCENT victims. Children killed. So, PLEASE DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE. If you're caught DUI, don't blame the cops, they didn't make you drink it. They're only trying to keep you from killing someone, maybe even yourself. G.W. |
"James S. Prine" wrote in message
... "Ghost writer" wrote this: For the record, I have "several" friends who are cops. It is a tough job a lot of the time. Maybe not all, but a lot. They have "fun" when they can - like most do. Being a firefighter and previous Paramedic, I know that you have to find humor when possible.. Some of the things you see stick with you for life. You do the job when others run from it. Call it a sick sense of humor, but you have to deal with the outcome of the calls. Don't believe me, if you're not involved, try it sometime. And yes, WE ALL have our bad apples. There isn't a profession on this earth that doesn't. LOL...actually, I agree with you a hundred percent, with all this. As to the words said on the radios, in excitement, or blank of mind, people often say things that they wish they hadn't. Others tend to not want them to forget. They play up on those words and the person who uttered them never lives them down. As most things, you can merely look upon them as "bloopers". Like clips of movie takes, comedies, sit-coms, etc. NO ONE IS PERFECT. The TV bloopers unless live TV, can be edited. Things said over a radio can not. Agreed. Regardless of the bloopers made on a radio, so long as those men and women are out doing their jobs to protect us from the scum we all face, a blooper is insignificant as opposed to a threat to my security. So, try to look upon this with the humor as was intended (I believe). I'm sure they have as well, with a red face! I stand corrected, Ghost Writer; thanks for setting me straight. FWIW, I have a unique interest in police humor...Hell, I even wrote a book about it... and I admit that I've worked with too many good cops over the years...and buried a few of them...to just sit idly by when I feel that the good guys are being unfairly criticized. Take care, and good luck! James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ You too, my friend..... Happy Holidays to you and yours and to the rest of the NG readers. G.W. |
James, I got to agree with you here.
"Cops and donut shops" is a bit old and is a stupid thing to even say. It is no more true than saying every truck driver takes speed to stay awake. It is so stupid it just isn't funny anymore if it ever was. What is funny is those cop chases on TV narrated by some idiot that blows every thing to the extreme. If the guy is going 45 mph he will describe it a dangerously high speed chase. One fox with 20 hounds chasing over hill and dale with a play by play unrealistic description. But even those are getting old and less entertaining as they seem to be made for the 10 year old mentality. William Lee "James S. Prine" wrote in message ... Get a sence of humor. For Gods sake why does everyone have to be so serious and bitch about everything here. It seems that one post cant go by without some smart ass response. LOL...actually, I have a sense of humor. But describing police officers as 'idiots with guns', etc, isn't particularly funny, nor do I think the miserable 'cops & donut shop' quips as being funny, either, unless of course one still counts with one's fingers and toes g. No, that original post was nasty, not funny, and I stand by my response. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
othanks (James S. Prine) wrote in
: Why is it that cops, firemen, and EMTs feel that they have some kind of patent on working dangerous jobs? I also work at a dangerous job, and I, like any of you, have the same option. If I don't like the danger, I can quit. You see, I work in heavy industry, around voltages such as 13,800, 4160, 2140, and 480. At these voltages, when things go wrong, people die. I also work around gas streams that are the byproducts of the process. I work around Hydrogen Sulfide, Hydrogen Cyanide, Benzene, and the like. One breath of the first 2 gasses instantly renders you unconscious. More may render you dead. The last is quite carcinogenic. Die now or later, if you will. (an expression, not a threat). People are crushed, burned, they fall, things fall on them, they are electrocuted, they are gassed. I think, of a working population of about 1200, we average 1.5 deaths a year, the injury rate is quite high, the injuries are not uncommonly serious, many debilitating. People develop cancer, I saw a 33 year old man die of cancer of everything. (liver, bones, pancreas, etc.), he had been married only a couple of years and recently had a child. There were no 400 car long police escorts for a fallen comrade. The media did not cover the funerals ad nauseam. There were no black wreaths hanging on the plant entrance. The dead from my plant and industry share something in common with dead police and firemen. They are dead. They died violently, they died unexpectedly. They differ in that few know that they died. I never thought that we would hear the end of the courageous stories from 911. The police this, the firemen that, etc. The problem with this endless adulation of the public service section is that it masked the courageousness of the citizens that contributed as much or more than the police and firemen. We are all people, we all have a job to do, and we all have the option of quitting the job if we fear it too much. I respect cops, I listen to the scanner daily, I have a relative that is a cop here. Of the Pittsburgh police, I think they are professional, concerned, able, and overall decent people. One cannot help to share in the humor of their occasional mistakes in speaking or understanding. We recently had a dispatch for an unruly woman at a Hair Styling Salon, the name of the establishment is Tantrum. The officer said to the dispatcher "in other words, there is a woman having a tantrum at Tantrum". The dispatcher laughed and said "I was thinking that as well". I heard a call where the dispatcher said that the car in question had "tinted wendells" (meaning to say windows). The officer called for a confirmation, and said, "did you say that the car has tinted wendells?", and before he had completed his call to the dispatcher, his partner could be heard in a burst of laughter in the background, no doubt incredulous that he had repeated the dispatch verbatim. I don't think that the dispatcher was amused, but she replied "affirmative". Likely you will take umbrage with this post, so to save myself the recriminations, I have killfiled it. Regards FWIW, I have a unique interest in police humor...Hell, I even wrote a book about it... and I admit that I've worked with too many good cops over the years...and buried a few of them...to just sit idly by when I feel that the good guys are being unfairly criticized. Take care, and good luck! James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ -- Never say never. Nothing is absolute. |
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^ "Soliloquy" 4...
^ Why is it that cops, firemen, and EMTs feel that they ^ have some kind of patent on working dangerous jobs? Ghost writer ... ^ Well, being a firefighter and previous medic, I DON'T KNOW. ^ I didn't make those rules. Maybe an old timer can answer that. ^ I'm too young to know why that tradition started. I feel ^ soldiers have the same rights as well! They're defending our ^ honor and freedoms. G.W. Public servants are given the extra attention to help compensate for their low pay. The public does not want to pay them more and they don't want them to quit, thus the extra attention. With other dangerous jobs, such as "Siloliquy's", the pay is not usually determined by the public. In those jobs if they think their pay doesn't compensate for the danger they should take it up with their employer. Their is also the patriotism angle that we saw with this last war. The public can be made to appreciate the actions of the government more by commending our heroes -- their sons and daughters. It is nothing more than a tool. Frank |
"Ghost writer" wrote in
: I didn't run that fast. I have no problem with the police motorcade or escorts or whatever they refer to them as, or black wreaths, or black bands over the badge, I simply make the point that if police or firefighters feel that their jobs are too dangerous, quit and get another job. I also feel that worship of police is the wrong thing for society, since their constraints on our behavior is what makes the police necessary to a large degree. In other words, we are not allowed to defend ourselves, or at least discouraged from doing such using lethal means. If we do, even when justified, we will likely be arrested, and processed, and hopefully acquitted. Contrast that to the increasing number of cases of police shooting unarmed citizens, (someone reached for their wallet in N.Y., and was shot 19 times (of 41 shots fired), one of the shots piercing the foot from bottom to top, indicating that the person was lying down at the point that the shot was fired, i.e., he died after being hit the first 12 times or so and dropped like a rock, yet the police continued to shoot at a man armed only with a wallet.) These cops are put on paid leave, then subsequently aquited. http://www.courttv.com/trials/diallo/index.html "Officers cleared in Diallo shooting After 23 hours of deliberations over three days, an Albany jury found all four officers not guilty of all charges in connection with the shooting of Amadou Diallo. The Feb. 25, 2000, verdict sparked protests from supporters of the family, lawmakers and the Rev. Al Sharpton." http://cgi.cnn.com/US/9902/05/police.shooting/ http://www.refuseandresist.org/resis...9nypdkill.html These are not the people to be worshipped. Their past indicated problems. All officers are not good people. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. They wantonly kill, they get a vacation, they get back pay, and they get their former positions. These are not the kind of people to worship. http://www.courttv.com/archive/natio...o/autopsy.html Read the autopsy report, oops, the officers made a simple mistake, they deprived an unarmed man of his life. **** happens. These are not the kind of people to be worshipped. Support (not worship) honest, hard working, well tempered officers. They exist, by the legions. Oppose the kind of officers described above. Demand that your local police (via your city government) purge this kind of riffraff from their ranks. Don't make the mistake of becoming infatuated with the unfettered support of law enforcement. Accountability is the answer to assure that your friends and relatives survive those inevitable encounters with the law. You wouldn't want your wife or daughter pulled over by the likes of those reprobate officers from N.Y. (those described above, not all N.Y. Officers) Regards. Oh, hit and run, eh????? Well, being a firefighter and previous medic, I DON'T KNOW. I didn't make those rules. Maybe an old timer can answer that. I'm too young to know why that tradition started. I feel soldiers have the same rights as well! They're defending our honor and freedoms. G.W. |
"Frank" wrote in
news:01c3ab23$4c84c300$0125250a@scpubymccaxpczis: I don't believe that it is that simple. I know the danger is there, I just choose to believe that I can manage it. Gambling with a hedged bet, the hedge being assiduous attention to safety and procedures. Working with "greens" (uncomfortable clothing meeting fire resistance standards), respirator or breathing air (SCBA), metatarsal shoes, safety glasses, fall harnesses, gloves, and hard hat. I could take my pay up with my employer, and I'd be informed that I have the option of quitting, just like police officers do. The same is true of the police. They don't believe that they will be the ones shot. Hopefully they won't. They hedge their bets with training and discipline. The Pittsburgh Police are supposed to be some of the highest paid officers in the nation. I don't believe that with major police departments, the pay is so low that we need to woo the officers with feigned attention. If the pay is so low, what attracts people to become police anyway? Too many times the wrong thing attracts them. Power. Of the police, let me say, I do not have the fortitude to see what they see. The end results of rape, domestic violence, murder, auto accidents, broken families, alcoholism, senior citizens living alone and calling the police in the middle of the night from fear of a noise (the police attempting to comfort such people), the ravages of drugs, mentally disturbed poeple, suicides, abandoned children, etc. etc. etc. I do not have the courage to do their jobs. In some ways it's easier to risk your own life than it is to see others in the throes of loosing theirs. Even though, Worship should be reserved for God, not cops. Of your Patriotism angle, read the following: Hermann Goering, Hitler's Reich-Marshall, speaking at the Nuremberg Trials following WWII http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm "Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers For lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." By this one can infer that blind patriotism essentially makes people chumps. Blind cop worship does the same thing. Regards Public servants are given the extra attention to help compensate for their low pay. The public does not want to pay them more and they don't want them to quit, thus the extra attention. With other dangerous jobs, such as "Siloliquy's", the pay is not usually determined by the public. In those jobs if they think their pay doesn't compensate for the danger they should take it up with their employer. Their is also the patriotism angle that we saw with this last war. The public can be made to appreciate the actions of the government more by commending our heroes -- their sons and daughters. It is nothing more than a tool. Frank |
Why is it that cops, firemen, and EMTs feel that they have some kind of
patent on working dangerous jobs? I've never thought police work or EMS work was particularly dangerous...I've done both, but firefighters definitely do have a tough and dangerous job. Certainly no patent on being dangerous of course...I've heard that the Alaskan crab fishermen have the truly dangerous job. I also work at a dangerous job, and I, like any of you, have the same option. If I don't like the danger, I can quit. Absolutely. You see, I work in heavy industry, around voltages such as 13,800, 4160, 2140, and 480. At these voltages, when things go wrong, people die. I also work around gas streams that are the byproducts of the process. I work around Hydrogen Sulfide, Hydrogen Cyanide, Benzene, and the like. One breath of the first 2 gasses instantly renders you unconscious. More may render you dead. The last is quite carcinogenic. Die now or later, if you will. (an expression, not a threat). People are crushed, burned, they fall, things fall on them, they are electrocuted, they are gassed. I think, of a working population of about 1200, we average 1.5 deaths a year, the injury rate is quite high, the injuries are not uncommonly serious, many debilitating. People develop cancer, I saw a 33 year old man die of cancer of everything. (liver, bones, pancreas, etc.), he had been married only a couple of years and recently had a child. Granted. Sounds like an environment filled with hazards. On the other hand, I imagine you are well paid for your work, and have an excellent union, and doubtless an excellent benefits package. I don't think any of your colleagues were killed in ambush, or need to be concerned with frivilous lawsuits, or are required to pay for their own safety equipment or training. Or have to work two or possibly three jobs to maintain their families. Or have a bunch of untrained people looking over their shoulders and videotaping them as they go about their tasks. I wonder how many of your colleagues blew their brains out or OD'd or drank themselves due to job stress? I could go on and on, but I think you get my point. The dead from my plant and industry share something in common with dead police and firemen. They are dead. They died violently, they died unexpectedly. Granted. The problem with this endless adulation of the public service section is that it masked the courageousness of the citizens that contributed as much or more than the police and firemen. I think your perspective is skewed. The cops and firefighters that were killed on 9-11-01 *knew* they were going into harm's way, and many of them knew they wouldn't be coming back. They chose to risk their lives to save others, if possible, and they sure as hell didn't do it for a paycheck or 'adulation'. Likely you will take umbrage with this post, so to save myself the recriminations, I have killfiled it. Oh well. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
The same is true of the police. They don't believe that they will be the
ones shot. Hopefully they won't. They hedge their bets with training and discipline. LOL...my years of training and experience didn't prevent a young man from fracturing my lower spine with his Ford Expedition last year when he tried to kill me. Of course he is suing me now for 'false arrest', which is amusing, considering his propensities and record. BTW, I'm not working, I've lost my job, and my savings are just about used up. I can always sue my former employer if I have a beef about it, but what's the use? If the pay is so low, what attracts people to become police anyway? This is one of those questions that is truthfully answered this way: if you have to be told the answer, you'd never understand it anyway. Of course, some people become public servants to serve their communities, some people like the action, and others have a need to help in whatever way they can. Remember that there are *lots* of reserve police officers, fire fighters, and EMTs who serve *without* any pay or benefits. Too many times the wrong thing attracts them. Power. Power? Are you serious? Are you familiar with the Garrity Rule? No, it's not worth explaining all this to you, you obviously have some sort of problem with authority figures, and it's not up to me to address that issue. But if you sincerely think that people become cops for 'power', you really need some reality. Worship should be reserved for God, not cops. LOL...where do you get these notions? Cops...worshipped? shaking head in disbelief. Blind cop worship does the same thing. Wow...you are really interesting. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
Soliloquy .. .
^ If the pay is so low, what attracts people to become ^ police anyway? The glory. The recognition as a hero. Just look at the statement that someone else made in response to your message: "How many lives did you save last week?" That is what attracts most people to dangerous jobs. If the money isn't there then it is for the glory. So we give them their glory. Frank |
I too worked as a civil servant, for a State agency as a matter of
fact. However, I didn't work as a firefigher or police officer--I was a highway maintenance worker for my state's Department of Transportation. People here have mentioned how dangerous that firefighting and police work are, and yes, I do agree. But, have you ever thought about how dangerous highway maintenance work is. Not only is your health threatened by the "everyday" work of things such as: getting squashed by heavy equipment (2 years ago, a collegue was squashed to death when a 20000 pound dump truck accidentally backed over him), injuring yourself with the physically demanding work, risk of skin cancer, and the list goes on and on, just like other jobs... But, how many of you have ever stood in a highway lane while literally hundreds, if not thousands, of vehicles pass by you at arms-length distances, traveling at speeds of 65-80+ mile per hour! Traffic is going by so often and so fast, that you as a person cannot keep track of it. And I've heard about job recognition, especially when a worker is killed in the line of duty. It is a proven fact, in my State at least, a highway worker has, by far, a more dangerous job--there are far more highway workers injured and killed on the job than police and fire personnel combined. Here's a thought: in my State, when a State police officer is killed in the line of duty, he/she has a HUGE State-sponsored memorial, and among other things, has an entire freeway named after him/her. However, what does a highway worker get when killed in the line of duty? His/her name included to the growing list of a tiny 2 feet by 2 feet plaque, and that's pretty much it! No memorial, no mention of his name in the news media... So, these kinds of civil servants receive very little, if any, recognition for how they put their life on the line. Not to mention their tiny salaries, compared to the other "dangerous" civil servant jobs out there. Public servant salaries are public record. Check the websites of any public agency--you'll see. And yes, they do save literally hundreds, if not thousands of lives every day (in a round about way, of course). Would you survive if your car was swallowed up by a 8-foot-deep sink hole while going 70 mph down the freeway? Heck, who do you thing is usually the first on scene of a freeway crash? Highway maintenance workers. Numerous times, I was the first on scene to provide life-saving methods to injured persons... But, the only public recognition we get is that "one-figered greeting", or the blare of the horn, or even persons stopping to threaten you. All for making them just a bit late while providing them with an efficient means to drive their prescious vehicles. Every job has its perks and negatives... |
othanks (James S. Prine) wrote in
: I read the post on Highway workers, if you read this (the poster of the topic), your point is well taken. We are ambushed, just by non-human things. A co-worker, working in the same place that I had all day, with the exception that the mechanics had removed an inspection plate to examine a valve stem, took a breath and fell to the grating (floor), unconscious. The supervisor wasn't sure what to do in the next few seconds, not sure if the man was even breathing. Fortunately, the man began snoring (a good sign of life), and in about 40 seconds, he awoke, looking around, saying "I'm ok". He had fallen with his legs bent behind him. Had he not fallen to the grating and over the side he would have plummeted to his death. Another co-worker had gone out early in the morning to do his rounds, and he noticed a leak (fluids) into a containment area. When he attempted to start a steam siphon to clear the contaminated water from the area, he instantly fell unconscious, falling off a small wall onto the street. Had he of fallen into the containment area, he would be dead. He laid there unconscious until the gas service (they check the level of toxic gasses throughout the plant) men found him. He was transported to a PGH area hospital, and remained there for several days. His face was quite a mess, as he fell off the wall while standing up. Is an ambush any worse than this, especially if the victim had died? I was at work one day when a storage tank blew up, casting its top (30 feet in diameter), over the side onto the roadway. A man routinely needs to go to the top of the tanks as part of his rounds. If he had been killed, would he have been any less dead than an officer killed my some maniac? Would it have been any less expected? Is it not an ambush of sorts? The only difference is that with an industrial accident, there will be no backup support, no SWAT team. You run, hope to escape the destruction, and wait for it to stabilize before returning. When your buddy gets connected to 13800 volts (yes, it happened at my plant, though it wasn't my buddy), how does one extricate him? One doesn't. You watch, hope he doesn't completely fry, then get help. The man I speak of lived and returned to work. Another was carrying a pipe that connected to a 69000 Volt line, blowing through his buckle and down his legs, blowing his shoes off. He lived but was unable to return to work, his internal organs having been too seriously injured. My co-workers, being with him, ran when it first occurred. After obtaining safe distance, they realized that their buddy was involved, and returned to him when the sparks were over. No bulletproof vest would help. Ambush by human means or by mechanical means is the same if the recipient is dead or crippled. Videotaping, an excellent topic. With the police fetish of taping the perpetrator, and with the availability of small cameras, I feel that police should be required to wear cameras when entering homes or businesses, to preclude those unfounded claims of brutality. If the actions are honorable and according to procedure, why not tape them? This would certainly help to reveal the true way that the police are treated, and help to show the public how difficult their job is. Of course, there is always the possibility that they don't want the video tapes since they (the tapes) show what abuses the police are capable of. I witnessed the police here after they pulled over a stolen car that contained several black youths. The black youths had been pointing what turned out to be an air pistol at pedestrians as they drove around. The police had the youths on the ground, being held at gun point while that were cuffed. I have no problem with this. What I had a problem with is that the police, after securing the youths in the police car, continued with an inspection of the stolen car. An officer, noticing me standing relatively near, looked at me, and I nodded a hello. He loudly said "where do you live", and I indicated the next street. He then yelled "then go back to where you live". Nevertheless, I moved about 20 feet, then turned and continued to watch. Three officers were pulling packages out of the trunk, and ripping wrapping paper off them, it was Christmas time and whoever owned the car must recently have made purchases. They were looking for stuff to steal. Hell, if they found anything of value, they could blame the black kids for stealing it. The car should have had a cursory inspection then been impounded in toto. They were actually peeking around the trunk periodically to see if anyone was watching. There was another officer in front of the stolen car, they need not fear for their safety, no crowd had gathered. They were paranoid that someone would see them, maybe that someone would FILM them. How about this: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in582492.shtml Police raid a high school in South Carolina, hold the students at gun point, arrest others, used canines to terrorize the students, and find nothing. Police need to use their brains. As they are programmed by indoctrination that we are all "their enemies", they are ever willing to do such atrocities as these. Even in Israel, some of the soldiers have enough chutzpah to violate orders and refuse immoral commands. Too many police use the excuse that they are just doing as ordered. No one has the right to violate others in such a manner. They didn't find anything. What assholes. Brave armed men with crew cuts and dogs, corralling the evil teenagers. And you think that these types of schmucks deserve adulation? This was truly sickening. I can see why police abhor cameras. I grew up with a kid whose father was a commander on the PGH fire department (his father brought the command car home with him in the evening, easy to confirm his status). The kid took me through the house to show me all the stuff his father had stolen from fires that he had been at. Stereos and the like. All kinds of stuff, piles of it. I guess the firemen feel that insurance will pay for it, but if one doesn't have insurance, and if the stuff was in such excellent condition to be stolen, perhaps they denied the people of items that they may direly have wished to have. Maybe handling all those fire damaged (not) items helped him buy that Corvette that he owned, according to you they get paid very little. Yes, we have had suicides, yes the job is stressful. Have you tried breathing chemicals all day? Odors so bad that when one is sick with the flu, its intolerable. Noise, have you ever listened to a dozen 1500 HP motors and related equipment running all day, or massive steam leaks? Have you worked 16 hours a day 6 days a week for several weeks (I haven't but many have been compelled to). We have had people apply and get jobs here, the jobs pay reasonably well, only to quit on the spot then they are toured around the plant. It's too frightening for some. My relative on the Pittsburgh Police said that he worked harder on his first night as a PGH cop than he did the entire time he was a borough cop. What about all the small time cops? Do they automatically get the same adulation without the work? Of the following, none of them knew that the building was going to fall. Yes, firemen brave truly dangerous situations rather routinely, and yes they entered the building, but they also left as quickly as the others when the first building toppled. By concentrating on the valor of the firemen, we omit recognition of the citizens that also did truly heroic things. I suggest that you and others support the police, the ones worthy of support, and leave the worship for church. Oh Well, Regards I think your perspective is skewed. The cops and firefighters that were killed on 9-11-01 *knew* they were going into harm's way, and many of them knew they wouldn't be coming back. They chose to risk their lives to save others, if possible, and they sure as hell didn't do it for a paycheck or 'adulation'. Likely you will take umbrage with this post, so to save myself the recriminations, I have killfiled it. Oh well. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
But, how many of you have ever stood in a highway lane while literally
hundreds, if not thousands, of vehicles pass by you at arms-length distances, traveling at speeds of 65-80+ mile per hour! I have, and I've never liked the experience. I well remember one afternoon, while working a scene, that some moron sideswiped me close enough to tear my uniform pants and knock me a few feet back from the point of impact. I was *not* amused. On another occasion I had my foot crushed, but managed (with difficulty) to complete my assignment before I sought medical help. LOL...on *another* occasion I was shot in the leg while working a protective detail at a 'peace march'; later, my supervisor asked why I was walking 'kinda funny' and I showed him the wound, and he chewed me out for not reporting it earlier. No big deal. Here's a thought: in my State, when a State police officer is killed in the line of duty, he/she has a HUGE State-sponsored memorial, and among other things, has an entire freeway named after him/her. In Louisiana, I know of a State officer who was run down and killed by a drunk driver, and he got no memorial whatsoever. I remember this because I used to work with him. His name was Sgt. Gilbert Mast, and his killer, Josh Gimelstob, got the usual 'slap on the wrist' punishment. You can still read the specifics of that case on the Internet; I know of yet another Louisiana officer who was stabbed to death in the line of duty, but can't find anything on the 'net in reference to it. Perhaps different States honor their personnel in different ways. Not to mention their tiny salaries, compared to the other "dangerous" civil servant jobs out there. Public servant salaries are public record. Check the websites of any public agency--you'll see. So, what's your beef? In my last job, as a State police officer, I had not only the 'regular' duties, but also had to take on the additional responsibilities of Crime Scene Investigator, Intelligence Officer, and High-Tech Crime Investigator, as well as Training Officer. I got paid for one job, of course, and yes, as you see from public records, I was paid the princely sum of $1367 a month. This was in 2002, by the way. Plus of course I had to supply my own sidearm, ammunition, etc. I couldn't afford the medical insurance package, so I did without it. Yes indeed, all that 'big money' and glory out there, ripe for the taking. Heck, who do you thing is usually the first on scene of a freeway crash? The drunk driver and the victim? Every job has its perks and negatives... That's something we both agree on g. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
Yes public servants can quit when faced with possible death and so can you.
The big difference is that they don't! In private industry you got any brains you would tell your supervisor that there is a likelihood of you getting injured or killed and refuse to do the job until it was safe. If you call and tell the police someone is in your house with a gun what do you expect them to do? What would you do if your neighbor called you some night and told you that? Would you run over there and confront the intruder or would you tell him to call the police? I think the big difference is that our public servants are expected not to avoid or run from dangerous situations. In industry OSHA demands you stop work if you think there is any danger of death or injury. When was the last time you walked into a bank or store thinking you might get shot? Every time a police officer in uniform walks in one he damm well better be thinking just that. Hope this helps explain just a few of the differences between their job and yours. William Lee "Soliloquy" wrote in message 4... othanks (James S. Prine) wrote in : Why is it that cops, firemen, and EMTs feel that they have some kind of patent on working dangerous jobs? I also work at a dangerous job, and I, like any of you, have the same option. If I don't like the danger, I can quit. |
Clifton T. Sharp Jr. told the group:
That was me. Never a cop, but I did do volunteer emergency services work, and I didn't do it for glory or hero worship. I've worked with lots of cops while doing it, and I never met one who was a cop for glory or heroism. Neither have I. I've always thought that if you wanted to be a 'hero' or demanded 'hero worship', then by all means go into sports, not public service. And Mr. Sharp, thank you for your service. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
Clifton T. Sharp Jr. ...
^ Frank wrote: ^ Soliloquy .. . ^ ^ If the pay is so low, what attracts people to become ^ ^ police anyway? ^ ^ The glory. The recognition as a hero. Just look at the ^ statement that someone else made in response to your ^ message: ^ ^ "How many lives did you save last week?" ^ ^ That was me. Never a cop, but I did do volunteer emergency ^ services work, and I didn't do it for glory or hero worship. I think you should examine your motivation in making your statement "How many lives did you save last week?". That statement would probably be made out of jealousy or self-importance. Glory, self-importance, a desire for recognition -- they're all basically the same in this context. Why do people do dangerous jobs? Either for the glory, the money, or, more rarely, because it is something important that must be done. Most of those who think they are in the latter category only think it. Few people would admit to themselves that they do something only for the glory it brings so they convince themselves that they do it for the reasons that everyone thinks they do it for. This is a defense mechanism that the brain handles with very little, if any, conscious thought. And very few people will readily admit that they do something because they want to be a hero. Frank |
"Frank" wrote in message
news:01c3ab6f$76e0cf30$0125250a@mxdulebfmqtxlczq.. . Soliloquy .. . ^ If the pay is so low, what attracts people to become ^ police anyway? The glory. The recognition as a hero. Just look at the statement that someone else made in response to your message: "How many lives did you save last week?" That is what attracts most people to dangerous jobs. If the money isn't there then it is for the glory. So we give them their glory. Frank For the record, there are no such things as BORN heros. NO ONE in their right mind goes into the EMS/FIRE/POLICE service OR Military for that matter to "BE" a hero. Usually the only "heros" are DEAD heros. ANYONE who goes in to a scene regardless the type with the tunnel vision of becoming a hero, is a hinderance to ALL at the scene. THEY lose track of all training, signs of danger, and thus place themselves and/or many others in danger. SHOULD someone save a life, they may be called a hero.. BUT YOU DON"T GO LOOKING FOR IT. ANYONE who HAS joined the services for that reason are in it for the WRONG reason. AND - I don't know about the other states, but here in PA, it is at last check - 85% VOLUNTEER. WE DO NOT GET PAID to learn how to save lives and property. Our families get little in return if we are disabled or killed in the line of duty and we're no longer able to supply the income. WE DO IT BECAUSE WE CARE. WE NEVER KNOW when that call minor or major as it be, will be our last. YOU WANT HEROS? Continue to look to the Sports arenas. THEY are too busy trying to be heros. WE who take our jobs seriously - do NOT look to be heros. Give us our due for doing our jobs paid or volunteer and call it a day. G.W. |
Ghost writer ...
^ NO ONE in their right mind goes into the EMS/FIRE/POLICE ^ service OR Military for that matter to "BE" a hero. Whether they are in their "right mind" or not, there are a great many who do. I spent 25 years working in dangerous jobs and being an observer of people and their behaviors I've learned that most people go into a dangerous job for the glory they perceive it will bring them. Once they are in the job and have gone through the education, the training, and the drills much of their desire for glory is suppressed, but there is still enough of it there to keep them from leaving the job. Frank |
The mystical Frank, observer of humanity, sagely penned:
I spent 25 years working in dangerous jobs and being an observer of people and their behaviors I've learned that most people go into a dangerous job for the glory they perceive it will bring them. I wish you'd provide some documentation on this interesting perception of yours. What exactly did you do, to gain this insight? Not trying to initiate a flame-war, mind you, but your perceptions and experiences and mine are diametrically opposed, and it piques my curiosity. Once they are in the job and have gone through the education, the training, and the drills much of their desire for glory is suppressed, but there is still enough of it there to keep them from leaving the job. You know, I've worked for a major municipal police department, and a few smaller agencies, over the years. Nearly all of the agencies make it clear, *very* early in the recruiting process, that glory, acclaim, etc., etc., have nothing whatever to do with the job and, if one is seeking that, to go elsewhere and save everyone a lot of time and trouble. They literally try to persuade everyone from entering the job because of the perceptions most civilians have about the work, due mainly to television and idiotic thriller films. I know that recently a major city department was hiring non-sworn (civilian) personnel to work as crime scene technicians, and of course they had these potential employees 'browse' through a color 'scrapbook' detailing exactly what they'd be facing on the job. Many of them left at that point, and many others left within the first week of on-the-job training, which was the best for everyone involved. Glory? LOL...don't make me laugh. Again...if you want glory, go into professional sports. Or politics g. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
"WilleeCue" wrote in
: First, the job is reasonably safe. OSHA cannot insure that a 1500 HP motor, driving 2 stages of compressors, will not throw it's coupler with disastrous results when a compressor fails. It has thrown them through walls, the motor subsequently catching on fire. Heavy industry utilizes complex and potentially dangerous equipment as a requisite to their function. The circuit breakers for the 13800 volt equipment are the size of a refrigerator. Why don't police just insist of their supervisors that their jobs be made safe? Concerning your second premise, from listening to the police radio, and with Pittsburgh suffering budget problems and police force cuts, I have seen calls go for half an hour before they have someone to dispatch to the scene (a recent call, the first responders from the fire department had come across an accident of a pickup truck hitting a car, and the pickup driver fled by foot. The fireman notified the police on the radio that the perpetrator was running down so and so, but the police replied that they had no units. 20 Minutes later, the fireman called the police again and was informed that there were still no units. Finally 30 minutes later a lieutenant came in on the issue and finally arranged for a car to be sent). Even calls with violence, such as violent domestics, have had to wait 15 minutes or more before a unit is available. In a twist on your issue about calling the police, if I was at home and heard a noise, I get the gun first, and then call the police next. Home invasions are increasingly common here, calling the police will get nothing but someone to write up the report. Examine the public servants at Columbine that hid outside while students and a teacher bled to death. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/...in286144.shtml or he oops, one of those forgivable police shootings? http://www.townhall.com/columnists/m...20020109.shtml http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/...in322513.shtml Where was that bravado that you speak about? Police, they are no better than the rest of us. They have made a career choice, hopefully they honor their choice by working in a dignified way. By militarizing the police, they are distanced from the citizens that they supposedly "serve". Some time ago, in a story on Waco, it was pointed out why local police should handle such issues, not Federal lackeys. Since the local police have to live with the local populations, their actions will be tempered by their desire not to alienate themselves from their communities. Federal lackeys have no such fear, they go home when the "objective" has been achieved. Few of you seem to find any fault with the police, or in worshipping the police in a manner that people have been taught to worship soldiers. (By this I mean driving people into a patriotic fervor). As I have posted earlier, blind fervor is easily exploited by those in power. That's why I say to "support" the police that honor the job and badge, not worship police collectively. By honoring incompetent police, dishonorable police, or police involved in criminal activity, you dishonor those truly deserving "respect". Yes public servants can quit when faced with possible death and so can you. The big difference is that they don't! In private industry you got any brains you would tell your supervisor that there is a likelihood of you getting injured or killed and refuse to do the job until it was safe. If you call and tell the police someone is in your house with a gun what do you expect them to do? What would you do if your neighbor called you some night and told you that? Would you run over there and confront the intruder or would you tell him to call the police? I think the big difference is that our public servants are expected not to avoid or run from dangerous situations. In industry OSHA demands you stop work if you think there is any danger of death or injury. When was the last time you walked into a bank or store thinking you might get shot? Every time a police officer in uniform walks in one he damm well better be thinking just that. Hope this helps explain just a few of the differences between their job and yours. William Lee |
WilleeCue wrote:
I think the big difference is that our public servants are expected not to avoid or run from dangerous situations. I know that in many departments, there is a specific mention of 'cowardice' in the policy manuals, and failing to perform one's assigned duties because of 'fear' is reason for disciplinary action including termination of employment. And of course, there are specific laws on the books (in certain jurisdictions) that apply specifically to law enforcement officers (including unpaid volunteers), and not other public service personnel, which the non-sworn person doesn't have to bother with. Check also into the "Garrity Rule", which is highly interesting. After all, who said that one has to give up one's civil rights just because one is employed as a law enforcement official? Most police departments apparently feel that way, hence the "Garrity Rule" for officers. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
Frank wrote:
Either for the glory, the money, or, more rarely, because it is something important that must be done. Most of those who think they are in the latter category only think it. Err, what precisely is your point, Frank? Obviously, if one thinks something, that person thinks it. Perhaps an exploration of the basics of elementary logic is in order g. Or, quote the dictum, "I think, therefore, I exist" (usually mis-translated into "I think, therefore, I am."). But I digress. Few people would admit to themselves that they do something only for the glory it brings so they convince themselves that they do it for the reasons that everyone thinks they do it for. I admit it...I live only for the 'glory' of shoveling the remains of a decomposing suicide victim...and a murder victim...mother and daughter...off a floor in a stifling apartment on a typical August afternoon in New Orleans. Or the 'glory' of trying to work a scene where the remains of someone's head is literally raining off the ceiling, making the paperwork a wee bit messy, after someone 'checked out' with a 12-gauge shotgun. I particularly reveled in the 'glory' of recovering two teenaged girls' bodies off the muddy floor of a stinking, polluted lake after they drowned on a hot July afternoon (and yes, this is all documented). Glory? Not even close, Frank. But these little jobs...and lots, *lots* more..have to be handled by professionals, and it sure as hell isn't for 'glory'...come to think of it, I don't remember anyone asking for my autograph or endorsement after I've emerged, reeking, from a multiple homicide case. Hero? LOL...that's for sports fans and little kids. James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
Ghost writer wrote:
You know, many years back, my team was called...our of our jurisdiction...to handle an overturned 18-wheeler blocking a roadway. When we got there, we discovered that the driver was pinned inside the cab, and screaming for help. The tank...filled with gasoline...had split, and the gasoline was literally pouring out and rapidly filling in the little ditch we were working in, trying to extricate the driver. It was an extremely interesting experience, trying to get the driver out of the truck and continue breathing in the unbelievable fumes from the gasoline...I was up midway to my shins at one point! Somehow we got the guy out without anyone (including us) being incinerated; we got him to the hospital for treatment (he did fine), and of course the entire team had to go off duty and discard our ruined clothing. I think my first shower was an hour long, and I smelled like a fuel farm for a week. We all got sick from inhaling the gasoline fumes of course, and, as a reward, the driver slapped us with a huge civil suit! Yes, the intense 'glory' of public service work....the heady feel of being a 'hero'.... LOL James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
Soliloquy, comparing working in an industrial environment to street police
work, wrote; Why don't police just insist of their supervisors that their jobs be made safe? LOL...because it's impossible. 'Safety' is, after all, a relative term...I feel 'safer' solo cave diving deep in a Florida cave than I do in early morning traffic, because there are less variables to contend with, and most all of them I've anticipated and have trained and equipped myself to deal with. Besides, OSHA regulations don't apply to government agencies...including the police. Simply put, you get the best training and equipment you can afford, and do your best. That's about as safe as you can get. I have seen calls go for half an hour before they have someone to dispatch to the scene Again, your convoluted logic escapes me. You wrote that Pittsburgh is suffering budget problems and police force cuts, and still, you expect every call for service to be answered as fast as they come in? It's not going to happen; even here, the day watch inraviably rolls out with anywhere from 10-30 calls backlogged. More calls come in than Officers to handle them, and, with budget constraints and police being terminated due to budget cuts, the situation just gets worse. Of course calls get priority dispatching, but it's not the cops' fault if mebbe 10-50 cops are trying to handle perhaps problems emanating from 35,000 to 500,000 people. It's the system...yet of course, you blame the police. Even calls with violence, such as violent domestics, have had to wait 15 minutes or more before a unit is available. Yes...there's just so much work that can be accomplished in a given time by a given number of people to handle it. In a twist on your issue about calling the police, if I was at home and heard a noise, I get the gun first, and then call the police next. Home invasions are increasingly common here, calling the police will get nothing but someone to write up the report. I think you are being prudent in arming yourself in such a situation. And what of the rural counties where perhaps the nearest law enforcement officer is an hour away? Of course it happens...but do you really think that all of this is due to the fault of the individual officers? Examine the public servants at Columbine that hid outside while students and a teacher bled to death. Those people were following established policies in effect at the time...do you really expect that police agencies have a little book that covers *all* eventualities? Police, they are no better than the rest of us. They have made a career choice, hopefully they honor their choice by working in a dignified way. I'm interested in the context and manner in which you might define 'better', but that is another issue. I, too, hope that all law enforcement officials...indeed, every person...performs their jobs/duties in a dignified manner. By militarizing the police, they are distanced from the citizens that they supposedly "serve". Wow...talk about bouncing off into a tangent! Are you now going to raise the hoary old use of the term "serve and protect"? Incidentally, that is a city's motto, not a universal policy for all police all over the nation. Several cities have adopted the motto, but what it means is that police protect the public by serving the law. Look it up if you disagree. Some time ago, in a story on Waco, it was pointed out why local police should handle such issues, not Federal lackeys. Since the local police have to live with the local populations, their actions will be tempered by their desire not to alienate themselves from their communities. I personally believe that the Waco incident was completely mishandled, and I agree here with your assessment. Few of you seem to find any fault with the police, or in worshipping the police in a manner that people have been taught to worship soldiers. LOL...what is it with you and this constant use of the term 'worship'? I've served in two branches of the U.S. armed forces, and in law enforcement, and if people were worshipping me and my colleagues, I'd sure like to know about it g. By honoring incompetent police, dishonorable police, or police involved in criminal activity, you dishonor those truly deserving "respect". Now, on that, we are on complete and total agreement, sir. Fire the incompetents and prosecute the criminals, by all means. Cheers.... James S. Prine http://hometown.aol.com/jsprine/ |
In article ,
othanks says... But describing police officers as 'idiots with guns', etc, isn't particularly funny, nor do I think the miserable 'cops & donut shop' quips as being funny, either, Im not the one that made that remark. Someone got things all screwed up when they was replying and now makes it look like I was the one that said the stupid stuff. -- Dwayne http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BC895/ |
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