"Stinger" wrote in message
. ..
Homeowners associations are a good thing! They are basically an agreement
that you and your neighbors will follow some clearly defined rules for the
specific purpose of maintining optimum property values for everyone. In
other words, you won't have to worry about buying an expensive house and
having your next-door neighbor decide to use his yard to store a dozen
wrecked automobiles while he builds a hot-rod or runs a car-repair
business.
Common sense should tell anyone that their rights end when they start to
infringe on anyone else's, but sometimes you need it in writing. ;^)


Don't need a homeowner's association to prevent those kinds of violations.
Cities have ordinances against them. If someone violates the ordinance you
can file a complaint.

Receiving antennas are easily concealed. If you can find mine from the
street, you were born on Krypton. I think this is an overly-hyped
problem.

Broadcasting antennas are another animal, though. For instance, nobody
wants to live next to some clown running a bunch of linear amps through a
CB
"base station." It will literally be "seen" on well-shielded cable
television connections, and is a nuisance. I think that's a lot of what
the
"external antenna" rules are meant to curb.

-- Stinger


Again such CB operation is illegal and they can be just as big or bigger a
nuisance with a mobile operation. Some of these guys have multikilowatt
amps in their vehicles.

Such association rules force the LEGALLY LICENSED operator to use low height
indoor and hidden antennas. Theses types of antennas are far more prone to
generate interference than something well up on a tower.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:27:04 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote:


"Stinger" wrote in message
...
Homeowners associations are a good thing! They are basically an agreement
that you and your neighbors will follow some clearly defined rules for the
specific purpose of maintining optimum property values for everyone. In
other words, you won't have to worry about buying an expensive house and
having your next-door neighbor decide to use his yard to store a dozen
wrecked automobiles while he builds a hot-rod or runs a car-repair
business.
Common sense should tell anyone that their rights end when they start to
infringe on anyone else's, but sometimes you need it in writing. ;^)


Don't need a homeowner's association to prevent those kinds of violations.
Cities have ordinances against them. If someone violates the ordinance you
can file a complaint.

Receiving antennas are easily concealed. If you can find mine from the
street, you were born on Krypton. I think this is an overly-hyped
problem.

And as Dee says, these are the kinds of installations that are more
likely to cause interference.


Broadcasting antennas are another animal, though. For instance, nobody
wants to live next to some clown running a bunch of linear amps through a
CB
"base station." It will literally be "seen" on well-shielded cable
television connections, and is a nuisance. I think that's a lot of what

That is a fault of the cable or someone using the cable even if the
amps are illegal and covered by some rather strict laws.
..
All it takes is one poorly shielded device hooked to the cable near a
transmitter. The device can create harmonics and mixing products that
will wipe out a channel, or even the entier service to an area. A
good example would be an attic antenna next door to some one who
hooked their rabbit ears to their TV set with the cable still
connected. The lower antenna is closer to the set and more likely
to cause interference. It is also more likely to couple RF into the
house electrical wiring causing all sorts of problems due to RF in
radios, TVs, stereos, CD players and computers.

I once took out an entier city's cable system with a 2-meter HT as a
demonstration. (a very brief demonstration at the cable office).
Two days later you couldn't find a leak in the system any where in
town.
the
"external antenna" rules are meant to curb.

-- Stinger


Again such CB operation is illegal and they can be just as big or bigger a
nuisance with a mobile operation. Some of these guys have multikilowatt
amps in their vehicles.

Such association rules force the LEGALLY LICENSED operator to use low height
indoor and hidden antennas. Theses types of antennas are far more prone to
generate interference than something well up on a tower.

And it exposes the user to RF fields far greater than normal.
There is a reason I have my 2-meter antennas at 130 feet. Even there
I am limited to 380 watts into the antennas due to exposure limits.
At 30 feet I'd not even be able to stay with in limits using my 50
watt mobile on those antennas. Considering there is 228 feet of coax
from the rig to the antennas I could probably run a KW output and not
exceed the limits.

Actually...when it comes to exposure limits: My TH-5 is at 100 feet.
With 1500 watts into the antenna the RF limits for controlled access
are 6 feet above the ground at the base of the tower. I guess I
should paint a red strip around the tower at 6 feet. As that is slant
distance the height goes up rapidly as you move away from the base of
the tower

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com.



Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Hi,

For ongoing topic on antenna restrictions and related subject go he

http://www.eham.net/forums/AntennaRestrictions


I also live in a restricted lower middle class working guy/gal development (
PUD)

all new construction in the area had these restricted covenants. No way
around it
unless you buy older homes in older neighborhoods and you may pay a lot of
money
for smaller home but well built and no restrictions.

Most restrictions duplicate local rules, like letting the lawn grow a foot
tall or parking
any cars on the front lawn or backyard, etc...

a few crazy people on our board, one rides his mobility scooter and takes
photos of any
and all things he don't like, get a life pal ! he is crazy.

As you will read in the above eham topic, one poster points out that the
homes in the
big buck area like beverly hills etc, have NO RESTRICTIONS and many are hams
!

he also writes that these restrictions do nothing to increase home values.

do visit the above link very informative

73 and keep it stealth !


"A.Pismo Clam" wrote:

Hello All!

I live in San Diego and have been a PBS supporter for many years. An
article in this months "On Air" PBS magazine has made my day! The
article is on page #3. It is written by the General Manager of the tv
station. I have not read the document in question, but it does sound too
good to be true. How curious are you? If you live in San Diego, you
might find a copy in your local library.

In essence he says that the:

"...[Federal] government will defend your right to crawl up on the roof
and put up a BIG, HONKING antenna, despite the protests of nosy
neighbors, community planners, rental management companies, local
governemnt bureaucrats and other meddlesome busybodies."

Want to know how? Here is the URL:

www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Now you may have to prove to "the opposition" that the antenna you have
erected can indeed receive "local" television stations, but that should
not be that difficult to do...

Hi,

For ongoing topic on antenna restrictions and related subject go he

http://www.eham.net/forums/AntennaRestrictions


I also live in a restricted lower middle class working guy/gal development (
PUD)

all new construction in the area had these restricted covenants. No way
around it
unless you buy older homes in older neighborhoods and you may pay a lot of
money
for smaller home but well built and no restrictions.

Most restrictions duplicate local rules, like letting the lawn grow a foot
tall or parking
any cars on the front lawn or backyard, etc...

a few crazy people on our board, one rides his mobility scooter and takes
photos of any
and all things he don't like, get a life pal ! he is crazy.

As you will read in the above eham topic, one poster points out that the
homes in the
big buck area like beverly hills etc, have NO RESTRICTIONS and many are hams
!

he also writes that these restrictions do nothing to increase home values.

do visit the above link very informative

73 and keep it stealth !


"A.Pismo Clam" wrote:

Hello All!

I live in San Diego and have been a PBS supporter for many years. An
article in this months "On Air" PBS magazine has made my day! The
article is on page #3. It is written by the General Manager of the tv
station. I have not read the document in question, but it does sound too
good to be true. How curious are you? If you live in San Diego, you
might find a copy in your local library.

In essence he says that the:

"...[Federal] government will defend your right to crawl up on the roof
and put up a BIG, HONKING antenna, despite the protests of nosy
neighbors, community planners, rental management companies, local
governemnt bureaucrats and other meddlesome busybodies."

Want to know how? Here is the URL:

www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Now you may have to prove to "the opposition" that the antenna you have
erected can indeed receive "local" television stations, but that should
not be that difficult to do...

"A.Pismo Clam" wrote:

I live in San Diego and have been a PBS
supporter for many years. An article in this
months "On Air" PBS magazine has made
my day! The article is on page #3. It is
written by the General Manager of the tv
station. I have not read the document in
question, but it does sound too good to
be true. How curious are you? If you live
in San Diego, you might find a copy in
your local library. (snip)


There was legislation proposed last year in the House of Representatives
that would have prevented Home Owner Associations, and similar groups, from
banning the use of outside antennas by Ham Operators. The idea was to apply
the same "reasonable accommodation" rules that previous legislation had done
regarding towns and cities. The legislation was supported by several House
members, sent to committee for review, and I never heard anything else about
it. Perhaps someone else is aware of what actually happened to it.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

When I lived in Austin, a ham on the air gave me an
excellent possible solution to the problem of
annoying home owner association self-appointed
gods.

He had lived in such a "anti-antenna" residence
at one time that didn't allow him to erect any outside
antennas. Therefore, he put a dipole up in his attic,
took ALL filtering out of line that he possibly could
and put the largest amplifier his money could buy
inline and began blasting away.

Of course he got knocks on the door, and people
beginning to complain, but they no longer had a legal
leg to stand on due to the FCC's requirements that
nearly all electrical gizmos and doo-dads "accept
any interference that results from other nearby
operating .... blah blah blah..."

The ham then told the home owners that this
was the result of having to move an antenna to the inside
of his attic to remove it from site, and gave them some
mumbo-jumbo jargon about why it causes more
interference than having it outside and high in the air
(referring to his antenna). Of course, he simply didn't
mention the huge planet-busting amplifier or the fact
that he removed all his filtering that he possibly could.

The home owners, believe it or not, made an exception
for him, after all the residential complaints about televisions,
telephones, baby monitors, answering machines and everything
else getting tore up constantly from RFI.

I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

Clint

Clint,
----clipped---

I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

Clint

I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the
rules
that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or
move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral
fortitude than it does the HOA's policies...
'Doc

"'Doc" wrote in message ...


Clint,
----clipped---

I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

Clint

I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the
rules
that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or
move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral
fortitude than it does the HOA's policies...
'Doc

...kinda like sympathizing with HOA's that also frequently ban
flying an american flag as well.

Clint

Clint,
Actually, it's exactly like what I said. Please
don't attribute any more to what I said than what
was actually there. You don't have the slightest idea
of how I feel about HOAs so comments like yours only
show an ability to jump to a conclusion without any
supporting evidence. Sort of like reading the "National
Enquirer"(s), entertaining but worthless...
'Doc

I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the
rules
that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or
move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral
fortitude than it does the HOA's policies...
'Doc

ah.

Nice advice for pacifists and those having a lack of spine and
a yellow tint to the bellies.

Clint