wrote:
Midwest Kid wrote:

You people amaze me. If you don't like
covenants, then don't move into the
neighborhood. The reason for the rules
are to keep everything in check. (snip)

WHO are you to tell me or someone else
what you consider is "in check" or not? You
deal with your property and the rest of us
shall deal with ours. Your starting to sound
like your on the board of some HOA who
enjoys telling their neighbors what they can
and cannot do on THEIR property. (snip)


It does amaze me, Pappy, how many are so willing to accept, and even
defend, additional restrictions on people's lives and property in this
supposedly free country of ours. These homeowners associations, which are,
in effect, a new layer of government, don't act in a democratic manner and
neither respect, nor even clearly recognize, people's rights.

Instead, these homeowners associations remind me of the communist party
committees found in neighborhoods throughout the former Soviet Union before
it's collapse. Like these homeowners associations, those committees made
neighborhood rules and insured area residents complied with those rules. The
Soviet people gained freedoms after the fall of the Soviet Union and it's
many committees. The American people are losing freedoms as these homeowners
associations, and their CC&Rs, spread.

Some here have advocated just avoiding these homeowners associations, and
their CC&Rs, by moving elsewhere. While that may be a temporary fix (serves
their own self-interests at the moment), I'm sure many in the Soviet Union
thought the same when they first saw the spread of those communist party
committees. But, without open resistence by all, there was no place left to
avoid those committees within just a few years. I sincerely hope the same
cannot be said by young people about these homeowners associations in the
not so distant future. However, everything I've seen suggests that is a
clear possibility.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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It does amaze me, Pappy, how many are so willing to accept, and even
defend, additional restrictions on people's lives and property in this
supposedly free country of ours. These homeowners associations, which
are,
in effect, a new layer of government, don't act in a democratic manner
and
neither respect, nor even clearly recognize, people's rights.


[snip]

If respecting people's rights was entirely consistant with human nature,
nobody would have considered writing a few of them down in the various
governmental Constitutions.

So, have many Homeowner's Associations dissolved themselves and handed
their responsibilities to a municipal government?

Frank Dresser

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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It does amaze me, Pappy, how many are so willing to accept, and even
defend, additional restrictions on people's lives and property in this
supposedly free country of ours.

Please show us one case where someone was force (with a gun, knife, etc) to
buy a home in a CC&R neighborhood. No one is forced to buy a home in CC&R.
If you don't want CC&R, move.

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote:
It does amaze me, Pappy, how many are
so willing to accept, and even defend,
additional restrictions on people's lives and
property in this supposedly free country of
ours.

Please show us one case where someone was
force (with a gun, knife, etc) to buy a home in
a CC&R neighborhood. No one is forced to
buy a home in CC&R. If you don't want
CC&R, move.


Nobody today was forced with a gun, knife, or whatever, to be born in this
country either, but we still have restrictions on the government's ability
to interfere with our lives (without having to move to get it). The same
cannot be said for CC&R's. These homeowners associations, and their CC&R's,
restrict our lives in ways our federal government would not even consider.
The only way to escape those restrictions is to move - in a country where
homeowners associations, and their CC&R's, are spreading to the point where
there may someday be no free place left to move to.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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there was no place left to avoid those committees within just a few years.

My county just east of Indy has plenty of non CC&R neighborhoods. Oh wait,
how horrible it is to think people would want to live in a 25-30 year old
addition. Everyone wants to live in the 'perfect' place with no strings
attached. That is living in a fantasy world. Like I said, the Indy area is
nice. Plenty of 20-30 year old additions with good homes and no CC&R.
Though you might have to compromise on various issues (almost all these
additions have great school systems).

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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there was no place left to avoid those committees within just a few
years.

My county just east of Indy has plenty of non CC&R neighborhoods. Oh
wait,
how horrible it is to think people would want to live in a 25-30 year old
addition. Everyone wants to live in the 'perfect' place with no strings
attached. That is living in a fantasy world. Like I said, the Indy area
is
nice. Plenty of 20-30 year old additions with good homes and no CC&R.
Though you might have to compromise on various issues (almost all these
additions have great school systems).



Actually many people prefer the 20 to 30 year old suburb as these finally
have trees of decent size. The problem is that in some places in this
country finding an area without CCRs that will mean an unreasonably long
communte to work.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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The problem is that in some places in this country finding an area without
CCRs that will mean an unreasonably long communte to work.

That's my point. It seems more and more, no one is willing to compromise.
Hams want no CC&R and have everything want. Scanner people want what they
want. Short-wave people want what they want. My commute is 20 miles. I
would be fine with driving 30. Some people can't stand that, so they live
in vinyl villages and in urban areas. Some people think 10 miles or more of
a drive to work is horrible. I don't see how these people would survive if
they had not found their little niche a few decades ago. Would they just be
bitter? I know that if I want to live rural, I have to look at almost a 30
mile drive. So? I save my money and take care of my car. If it's that big
of deal, buy a Honda. Of course then there are the rich folks who can never
been seen in a Honda. Those are the people I tell to go buy an Acura!!

I have seen this attitude more and more with the younger generation. No
home less than 5 years old. Fancy SUVs, etc etc. Live paycheck to
paycheck. These are actually the CC&R cops you people talk about. Always
bitching about so and so violating this and that.....only because they think
their home is going to double in value in 10 years. Me, I hope to live as
rural as possible. Even if that means my ham can put up 500 towers.
Depending on what it does/doesn't do to my electronics and his/her attitude
after I let them know about it, will determine if I see them as friend or
foe. Hams serve a purpose, a good one....but this doesn't mean they should
use some law to skirt the rules of a contract they were never forced into.

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
news
The problem is that in some places in this country finding an area
without
CCRs that will mean an unreasonably long communte to work.

That's my point. It seems more and more, no one is willing to compromise.
Hams want no CC&R and have everything want. Scanner people want what they
want. Short-wave people want what they want. My commute is 20 miles. I
would be fine with driving 30. Some people can't stand that, so they live
in vinyl villages and in urban areas. Some people think 10 miles or more
of
a drive to work is horrible. I don't see how these people would survive
if
they had not found their little niche a few decades ago. Would they just
be
bitter? I know that if I want to live rural, I have to look at almost a
30
mile drive. So? I save my money and take care of my car. If it's that
big
of deal, buy a Honda. Of course then there are the rich folks who can
never
been seen in a Honda. Those are the people I tell to go buy an Acura!!

I have seen this attitude more and more with the younger generation. No
home less than 5 years old. Fancy SUVs, etc etc. Live paycheck to
paycheck. These are actually the CC&R cops you people talk about. Always
bitching about so and so violating this and that.....only because they
think
their home is going to double in value in 10 years. Me, I hope to live as
rural as possible. Even if that means my ham can put up 500 towers.
Depending on what it does/doesn't do to my electronics and his/her
attitude
after I let them know about it, will determine if I see them as friend or
foe. Hams serve a purpose, a good one....but this doesn't mean they
should
use some law to skirt the rules of a contract they were never forced into.

And they shouldn't have to put up with people moving in
long before the ham did and using "some" idiot CCR crap
to make him take down his tower(s).

Jerry

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

My county just east of Indy has plenty of
non CC&R neighborhoods. (snip)


I worked in Indianapolis several years ago (as a security specialist for
DFAS in what was once Ft. Ben Harrision). Since the DoD supplied our
residence, we were not personally affected by CC&R's. However, we did
casually look into purchasing a house with the idea of possibly making that
area our home. During that process, we ran into several houses with CC&R's
(especially in the north-eastern part of town). But, on the south side of
town, none of the houses had a CC&R. That has probably changed today. But I
don't doubt the mostly open, mostly country, areas east of Indy are still
relatively free of CC&R's.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

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"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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However, we did
casually look into purchasing a house with the idea of possibly making
that
area our home. During that process, we ran into several houses with
CC&R's (especially in the north-eastern part of town). But, on the south
side of town, none of the houses had a CC&R. But I don't doubt the mostly
open, mostly country, areas east of Indy are still relatively free of
CC&R's.

I do not know of _any_ single addition that was built in the 70s/80s without
CC&Rs actually vote to have them. In my area alone, there are 4 older
neighborhoods....none of them have CC&Rs. CC&Rs were rare and usually for
the high end neighborhoods. Now all the newer neighborhoods have CC&Rs.
The whole point is that besides the northside, Hamilton Co., and newer
additions...Indy provides plenty of neighborhoods on all sides that do not
have CC&Rs. I guess that is why I like it here and decided against moving
to see other parts of the country. I can only imagine how horrible mega
cities are. Still, fact is that Indy does offer plenty in terms of jobs in
almost all fields...especially bio-technology tied in with pharmaceuticals.
If I ever moved it would be to a like size city, and Montana, Idaho area
would be my first choice.