"Frank Dresser"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-"take it away or go to court."? This looks a bit like a small minded
-battle of the wills between Mr. BH and the Homeowner's Association. But
-I could easily be wrong. Did the Homeowner's Association give the car
-owners the option of fixing the cars? Did the Homeowner's Association
-ask for volenteers to help make the cars safe and reliable? A few guys
-who know what they are doing can get alot done in 30 day's spare time.
-It would be a neighborly offer to make.

The automobile could stay in the open carport for 30 days while being repaired
(and there was no prohibition against working outside) or 30 days out of
license. After that, the vehicle was in violation of the nuisance/eyesore part
of the regs. There were also loopholes that allowed vehicles of obvious
historical or antique interest more time while in the process of restoration.
There was no contest of wills; the feller had the mindset of a few in this
conversation who had absolutely no intention of abiding by what he signed. And
we DID, by the way, require any real estate agent peddling property in the
project to give the prospective owner a copy of the current regulations PRIOR to
signing any binding contract.

We also had the local 8th grade students read the regulations and any proposed
amendments. If half of the students couldn't tell us exactly what the
regulation said, it went back to the lawyer for rewrite at the lawyer's expense.


-
-
- Three or four cases like that in
- the first couple of years and things got remarkably quiet, and we all
-got along
- like neighbors respecting the wishes of each other.
-
-
-
-I'm curious. How much do antennas reduce property values? Is there a
-formula for such things?

Nope. And the primary purpose in my mind was NOT a reduction in property
values. After having been a ham, elmer, and examiner for damn near 50 years, I
still find a huge tower with beam in a small-lot residential neighborhood ugly.



-
-
-No sir. Not me. I'd much rather discuss things politely rather than
-start telling people what to do.

We discussed politely but firmly. We didn't tell anybody what to do. We simply
explained what the man already knew and said what we intended to do about it.
There was no telling anybody anything.


-
-
-Sometimes those meddlesome courts think the country works differently.
-They said the CC&Rs which prohibit a seller from selling his property to
-Blacks or Jews or Mexicans or any group in particular can't be enforced.
-I suppose it had something or other to do with civil rights. The
-Homeowner's Association can still regulate the color of the neighbor's
-house, if not the color of the neighbors.


Jesus. Can we spell b i g o t ?????


Jim



Jim Weir, VP Eng. RST Eng. WX6RST
A&P, CFI, and other good alphabet soup

"Frank Dresser"
-
-I'm curious. How much do antennas reduce property values? Is there a
-formula for such things?


Contact the ARRL. They have data that shows that antennas have NO impact on
property values. They also have data showing that, in general, property
values are rising faster in areas without CCRs & HOAs than in areas with
them.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...


Contact the ARRL. They have data that shows that antennas have NO
impact on property values.

That is the whole damn point of CC&R. Your property value doesn't mean jack
if you cannot SELL your home. There are more people willing to look
elsewhere if my damn neighbor has some 20+ foot tower in his/her back yard.
Again, towers can't hurt 'values' when you can't even get a person to make
an offer.

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
news:HFayb.256443$9E1.1368062@attbi_s52...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...


Contact the ARRL. They have data that shows that antennas have NO
impact on property values.

That is the whole damn point of CC&R. Your property value doesn't mean
jack
if you cannot SELL your home. There are more people willing to look
elsewhere if my damn neighbor has some 20+ foot tower in his/her back
yard.
Again, towers can't hurt 'values' when you can't even get a person to make
an offer.

Same organization has data showing it doesn't affect the sale of homes
either.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

Same organization has data showing it doesn't affect the sale of homes
either.

How about an organization that has a little less bias toward allowing
antennas.

"Midwest Kid" wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote:
Same organization has data showing it
doesn't affect the sale of homes either.

How about an organization that has a little
less bias toward allowing antennas.


Okay, how about that organization? Which organization has data showing
antennas in a neighborhood have a negative affect on the sale of homes?


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Midwest Kid wrote:

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...


Contact the ARRL. They have data that shows that antennas have NO

impact on property values.

That is the whole damn point of CC&R. Your property value doesn't mean jack
if you cannot SELL your home. There are more people willing to look
elsewhere if my damn neighbor has some 20+ foot tower in his/her back yard.
Again, towers can't hurt 'values' when you can't even get a person to make
an offer.

There are people that won't take a second look at your home if it isn't
the right shade of beige that would like.

You need to be living in a development where every thing is spelled
out. Others do not.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
news:HFayb.256443$9E1.1368062@attbi_s52...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...


Contact the ARRL. They have data that shows that antennas have NO
impact on property values.

That is the whole damn point of CC&R. Your property value doesn't mean
jack
if you cannot SELL your home. There are more people willing to look
elsewhere if my damn neighbor has some 20+ foot tower in his/her back
yard.
Again, towers can't hurt 'values' when you can't even get a person to make
an offer.



A buyer is not always a rational person. They may walk away because they
don't like the landscaping or the paint job or whatever. Can you see HV
powerlines from the back yard? Want to bet how many people are certain those
cause cancer? Can you see a cellular tower nearby? Buyers don't want
"radiation". What about a next-door ham antenna? Why not be afraid of that
too? What if that big antenna blew off in a storm? It could hit your house!
And when hams transmit, they make radiation! Who wants to move in next to
some guy who makes radiation for fun?!

You can't talk power levels and ionizing versus non-ionizing, because the
buyer walks before you get that chance. Your neighbors know this, and this
makes them fearful of what might happen to them if they wanted to sell. They
don't care about your right to squirt RF into the world, all they care about
is safeguarding their own families' (perceived) health and protecting the
viability of their one big investment in life.

Some people will give up some of their personal freedom to buy into an area
that has CC&R's, so they can have some assurance that bizarre (by their
perception) things won't happen near their family and investment. And if
they enter this kind of society, they have the right to expect their HOA to
enforce the CC&R's fairly and without exception.

And, just like the USA, a HOA is not a democracy; it is much more like a
constitutional republic. Once again, the homeowner doesn't vote on each and
every issue (democracy). Rather, a board (acting for the homeowners; i.e., a
republic) is elected, and they enforce the CC&R's (the constitution). So
let's not have any more babbling about how a HOA isn't fair because it's not
a democracy.

Ed
WB6WSN

Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT
AND
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571

Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community
Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want
Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard
"

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01...
Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT
AND
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571

Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community
Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want
Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of HOA,
I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in.
Hey, I
moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits.
Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the
farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city
annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too
.........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The
cows stayed. Good neigh-
bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell
them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho.

Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those
HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint
your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that
move in next to an AIRPORT and then
expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I
choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of city
living and the
atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of woods,
dead end street, close in, yet
very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do
without, BTW. AND all the antennas I
want!


Jerry
K4KWH
"