"Midwest Kid" wrote in message
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"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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I'm curious. How much do antennas reduce property values? Is there a
formula for such things?

Why does it have to be about damn property values? I think CC&Rs are more
of a way to help make sure that when I sell my home, my neighbors have not
gotten 'lazy' or 'crazy' over the last 5-30 years and done stupid crap.
Be
it 'get into ham' and erect a stupid looking tower, put cars on blocks, or
paint their house 5 different colors. Everyone thinks that just because
property values have almost doubled (and in some cases went up 10 fold or
more) that the same thing will have in the next 20 years. Again, CC&Rs
are
to protect your investment in your home. You don't gain anything in a
home
sale if you don't sell your home. Would you offer to buy your neighbors
home if they had documented proof your antenna was scaring away buyers?



I don't know where you live, but here we have zoning laws that control
much of the issues you are concerned about; and most towns have
enacted nusiance ordinances to handle less severe problems, such
as uncut grass, etc. BTW, I live in a AAA zoned area, and the ham
tower was not an issue. I kept in at the tree line, in the middle of
the property. Out of sight. Also, at one time I had three towers near
the house. The house next door was sold before it hit the market for
the full asking price.

Pete

What I read into this thread is there are people in our FREE country
that have a serious need to control other people. Those people like
another poster said are classified as HOA Cops.

When it comes to controlling them they revolt.

What is an AAA zoned area?

I live in a community where the county put in zoning laws many years ago
so the members of the HOA decided to turn over our roads to the county
for maintenance, dissolve the HOA entirely. We figured why pay dues for
road upkeep and some over zealous HOA officer/member who wants to take
his/our neighbor to court for stupid things. We already pay taxes for
road up keep but the county would not enter our plan because it was
considered private property. The only county services we had where
police, fire, ambulance. Now things are going much better. We have all
the services we where paying for but didn't receive before, the HOA Cops
are gone forever and the home owners seem to getting along much better.
There are no junk cars sitting around, no one painted their house bright
pink or any other crazy color, the grass in the yards are trimmed nice,
in fact nothing has changed in that respect. There are two 25 foot
towers now, one with a small beam the other a vertical in the plan, one
is mine. Both are hams and both are involved in emergency communications
during major storms. The neighbors call or stop and get weather updates
so they can make the necessary plans. Not one person has complained
about either of the towers, not one.

By the way, the HOA ex-official moved out about 6 months after the
county took over. He found out this is America, the land of the free.
Factually speaking, his neighbors refused to have anything to do with
him because of his over powering attitude. His friends soon followed him
down the road.

God Bless our "FREE" America.




Uncle Peter wrote:

I don't know where you live, but here we have zoning laws that control
much of the issues you are concerned about; and most towns have
enacted nusiance ordinances to handle less severe problems, such
as uncut grass, etc. BTW, I live in a AAA zoned area, and the ham
tower was not an issue. I kept in at the tree line, in the middle of
the property. Out of sight. Also, at one time I had three towers near
the house. The house next door was sold before it hit the market for
the full asking price.

Pete

I see that no one wants to respond your post Marylou.

It's my opinion that you must be on tract.

America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And
presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials.

Yes, what are AAA zoned areas? I haven't come across that term before.

wrote:

What I read into this thread is there are people in our FREE country
that have a serious need to control other people. Those people like
another poster said are classified as HOA Cops.

When it comes to controlling them they revolt.

What is an AAA zoned area?

I live in a community where the county put in zoning laws many years ago
so the members of the HOA decided to turn over our roads to the county
for maintenance, dissolve the HOA entirely. We figured why pay dues for
road upkeep and some over zealous HOA officer/member who wants to take
his/our neighbor to court for stupid things. We already pay taxes for
road up keep but the county would not enter our plan because it was
considered private property. The only county services we had where
police, fire, ambulance. Now things are going much better. We have all
the services we where paying for but didn't receive before, the HOA Cops
are gone forever and the home owners seem to getting along much better.
There are no junk cars sitting around, no one painted their house bright
pink or any other crazy color, the grass in the yards are trimmed nice,
in fact nothing has changed in that respect. There are two 25 foot
towers now, one with a small beam the other a vertical in the plan, one
is mine. Both are hams and both are involved in emergency communications
during major storms. The neighbors call or stop and get weather updates
so they can make the necessary plans. Not one person has complained
about either of the towers, not one.

By the way, the HOA ex-official moved out about 6 months after the
county took over. He found out this is America, the land of the free.
Factually speaking, his neighbors refused to have anything to do with
him because of his over powering attitude. His friends soon followed him
down the road.

God Bless our "FREE" America.

wrote:
America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And
presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials.

Question is, If HOA's object to the, "Land of the Free, and the Home of
the Brave", why don't they simply move to another country (like Cuba)?
I've had a long life and careers in TX, CA, and AZ. I have *NEVER* signed
on to an HOA agreement, and I never will. If one freely chooses to compromise
one's principles, then one gets exactly what one deserves.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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wrote:
America will only be FREE as long as real Americans allow it to be. And
presently that doesn't seem to include HOA's or their officials.

Question is, If HOA's object to the, "Land of the Free, and the Home of
the Brave", why don't they simply move to another country (like Cuba)?
I've had a long life and careers in TX, CA, and AZ. I have *NEVER* signed
on to an HOA agreement, and I never will. If one freely chooses to
compromise
one's principles, then one gets exactly what one deserves.

It floors me how some Americans can defend the loss of the principles upon
which the country was founded, and for which our troops are supposed to be
fighting. As a country, we do great dishonor to those who have died to
protect our freedom by giving up that freedom voluntarily under the guise of
personal or financial security.

wrote in message ...
What I read into this thread is there are people in our FREE country
that have a serious need to control other people. Those people like
another poster said are classified as HOA Cops.

When it comes to controlling them they revolt.

What is an AAA zoned area?

I live in a community where the county put in zoning laws many years ago
so the members of the HOA decided to turn over our roads to the county
for maintenance, dissolve the HOA entirely. We figured why pay dues for
road upkeep and some over zealous HOA officer/member who wants to take
his/our neighbor to court for stupid things. We already pay taxes for
road up keep but the county would not enter our plan because it was
considered private property. The only county services we had where
police, fire, ambulance. Now things are going much better. We have all
the services we where paying for but didn't receive before, the HOA Cops
are gone forever and the home owners seem to getting along much better.
There are no junk cars sitting around, no one painted their house bright
pink or any other crazy color, the grass in the yards are trimmed nice,
in fact nothing has changed in that respect. There are two 25 foot
towers now, one with a small beam the other a vertical in the plan, one
is mine. Both are hams and both are involved in emergency communications
during major storms. The neighbors call or stop and get weather updates
so they can make the necessary plans. Not one person has complained
about either of the towers, not one.

By the way, the HOA ex-official moved out about 6 months after the
county took over. He found out this is America, the land of the free.
Factually speaking, his neighbors refused to have anything to do with
him because of his over powering attitude. His friends soon followed him
down the road.

God Bless our "FREE" America.




Uncle Peter wrote:

I don't know where you live, but here we have zoning laws that control
much of the issues you are concerned about; and most towns have
enacted nusiance ordinances to handle less severe problems, such
as uncut grass, etc. BTW, I live in a AAA zoned area, and the ham
tower was not an issue. I kept in at the tree line, in the middle of
the property. Out of sight. Also, at one time I had three towers near
the house. The house next door was sold before it hit the market for
the full asking price.

Pete

Basically speaking, it is the true reason I live where I do. I have a
problem being told what I can do or when I can do it on my own property. It
doesn't mean I am disagreeable, it just means that I do believe in freedom
and the right to have and hold property as one sees fit--
within reason, of course. I believe that most people will
take care of their property without coaxing. I also believe one must choose
the neighborhood carefully and that can
be judged by the surrounding houses. In better neighbor-
hoods, one simply doesn't see pink/black houses or bright
red houses. I do NOT believe in covenants, and I avoid them. It's not a
problem since I have lived in the same house for 17 years and I mow the
grass, paint (well I
put on siding some time ago) and recently paved the driveway. Yes, I have a
70 foot tower and a VHF beam.
The dipoles have long blended in with the trees so you have to be looking
for them. I get along with the neighbors as well.

Now, if a new neighbor comes along after all these 17 years telling me I
"gotta move them antennas", I would have to reply "By whom and whose army".

Jerry

" Uncle Peter" wrote in message
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I kept in at the tree line, in the middle of
the property. Out of sight.

I think how tall the antennas are is what dictates if they are a problems.
Antennas that are as tall as the home and in the back yard really wouldn't
be a a problem for me. Huge big, bad antennas would.