"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...


The automobile could stay in the open carport for 30 days while being
repaired
(and there was no prohibition against working outside) or 30 days out
of
license. After that, the vehicle was in violation of the
nuisance/eyesore part
of the regs. There were also loopholes that allowed vehicles of
obvious
historical or antique interest more time while in the process of
restoration.
There was no contest of wills; the feller had the mindset of a few in
this
conversation who had absolutely no intention of abiding by what he
signed. And
we DID, by the way, require any real estate agent peddling property in
the
project to give the prospective owner a copy of the current
regulations PRIOR to
signing any binding contract.

We also had the local 8th grade students read the regulations and any
proposed
amendments. If half of the students couldn't tell us exactly what the
regulation said, it went back to the lawyer for rewrite at the
lawyer's expense.



OK, that's more reasonable than "take it away or go to court.".



Nope. And the primary purpose in my mind was NOT a reduction in
property
values. After having been a ham, elmer, and examiner for damn near 50
years, I
still find a huge tower with beam in a small-lot residential
neighborhood ugly.



I think they're cool. But I really like the Eiffel-like towers the
power company uses.



We discussed politely but firmly. We didn't tell anybody what to do.
We simply
explained what the man already knew and said what we intended to do
about it.
There was no telling anybody anything.




Jesus. Can we spell b i g o t ?????


Jim

Oh sure. And bigotry itself is still legal in the US, as it should be
in a nation which allows freedom of thought. But bigoted actions are
limited. As I understand, the courts will do nothing to enforce a race
related restrictive covanant, even if the buyer and the seller and the
local community support such restrictions. And that comes to my real
problem with Homeowner's Associations. It's not really about antennas
or old cars or knee high grass. That stuff is dealt with every day with
codes and municipal ordinances.

A Homeowner's Association is an extraconstitutional government. I have
no doubt that nearly all Homeowner's Associations are run by decent
people, including yours. But not always:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b5efc12221e.htm#38

http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html

As far as I'm concerned, any attempt to restrict such fundamental rights
as a respectful religious display or display of the US Flag ought to get
laughed out of court, just as an attempt to enforce a racial restrictive
covanant.

Frank Dresser

Frank I have been reading the various posting in this thread. And some
of the posting here disgust me. Why do some of these people call
themselves American's? America is supposed to be the land of the FREE.

By far, this posting by you is the best.

I have read most of the articles in the second web site you listed.

It's about time America wakes up. The world doesn't revolve around HOA's
or there darn rules.

As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I
returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire.
I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to fly
the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the
military of these United States of America.

I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the
rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans
from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And they
call themselves patriotic Americans........ya.



Frank Dresser wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b5efc12221e.htm#38

http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html

As far as I'm concerned, any attempt to restrict such fundamental rights
as a respectful religious display or display of the US Flag ought to get
laughed out of court, just as an attempt to enforce a racial restrictive
covanant.

Frank Dresser

In Florida, USA, last month, the national news [Good Morning America,
ABC TV] reported that a military veteran could not fly the USA flag
because the pole violated HOA rules.

What's more the Florida courts supported the HOA!!!!

W1MCE

wrote:


SNIP

As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I
returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire.
I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to fly
the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the
military of these United States of America.

I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the
rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans
from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And they
call themselves patriotic Americans........ya.

SNIP

wrote in message ...
Frank I have been reading the various posting in this thread. And
some
of the posting here disgust me. Why do some of these people call
themselves American's? America is supposed to be the land of the
FREE.

By far, this posting by you is the best.

I have read most of the articles in the second web site you listed.

It's about time America wakes up. The world doesn't revolve around
HOA's
or there darn rules.

As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I
returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire.
I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to
fly
the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the
military of these United States of America.

I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the
rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans
from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And
they
call themselves patriotic Americans........ya.



Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote
and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, I thought there must be
some mistake. Maybe the reporters didn't get the story quite right and
the whole misunderstanding would be cleared up quickly. I was surprised
to learn how long this damn thing has been dragged out, despite the
support Mr. Andres has received from the public and the Florida
politicians. I was just as surprised to learn that there's several
similiar cases out there. Telling any American he can't raise a flag or
put up a religious monument on his own property is an abuse of power.
Telling it to a man who has served his country compounds the injustice.

I suppose we should remember that a small percentage of us are real
SOBs. A small percentage of governments are, or will be, run by SOBs.
That's democracy.

That's why I want my government to limited by some sort of respect for
individual rights.

Frank Dresser

Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
....
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote
and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...

SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

Dave Shrader wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
...
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote

and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...


SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:44:35 GMT, Sid wrote:

IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

Of course, we here in the US do not live in a democracy. Rather, our
form of government is a representational republic.

Russ


Dave Shrader wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
...
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote

and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...


SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

Sid wrote:
IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

The democracy that voted to end the life of Socrates was
pretty tyrannical. How would you like a democracy voting
to end your life?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
...

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

No. We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic. Name
any admentment and I can post a law that violates it that the courts have
upheld (ok, with the exception of the quartering of soildiers!!).

Midwest Kid wrote:
We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic.

If we live in a Democracy, Al Gore, who got the majority of the popular
vote, would be President. The Electorial College is certainly not
democratic. The fact that we vote for representatives rather than
voting on laws directly is certainly not democratic.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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