"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
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Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT
AND
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571

Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community
Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want
Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of HOA,
I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in.
Hey, I
moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits.
Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the
farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city
annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too
.........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The
cows stayed. Good neigh-
bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell
them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho.

Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those
HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint
your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that
move in next to an AIRPORT and then
expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I
choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of city
living and the
atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of woods,
dead end street, close in, yet
very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do
without, BTW. AND all the antennas I
want!


Jerry
K4KWH
"

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
snippage


Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those
HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint
your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that
move in next to an AIRPORT and then
expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I
choose NOT to live in such a place.

When I lived in Coeur d' Alene a few years ago, there were the beginnings
of a fight between homeowners (not aware of whether or not it was an HOA or
not) and radio station KGA in Spokane.

When KGA went on the air something close to 70 years ago, it's transmitter
site was miles from town, and in the middle of a very rural area. Well, now
the area has built up, and the homeowners there are trying to force KGA to
move it's transmitter site and towers. This is not a small undertaking,
since broadcast stations are very restricted as to the areas that they can
place these complicated multi-tower systems, and very strict directional
patterns.

For me, I don't feel a bit sorry for those people, they knew there was a
50,000 watt radio station there when they started moving in. So did the
developers. KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's
ignorance or short-sightedness.

Brenda Ann wrote:
For me, I don't feel a bit sorry for those people, they knew there was a
50,000 watt radio station there when they started moving in. So did the
developers. KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's
ignorance or short-sightedness.

How about the "greatest good for the greatest number"? :-)
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Brenda Ann wrote:
For me, I don't feel a bit sorry for those people, they knew there was a
50,000 watt radio station there when they started moving in. So did the
developers. KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's
ignorance or short-sightedness.

How about the "greatest good for the greatest number"? :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



NOPE!!

They had the choice to move there or not. Just like idiots
that move in right off the end of an airport runway, then
howl about the noise. They want to be PAID because of
the jet noise. They KNEW what they were getting into
before they moved there. As far as I am concerned, they
ought NOT get one thin dime from it.

If I move into an HOA, then I should shut up about it and
let the old buzzard power-trippers tell me what to do. But I STILL have a
choice to not move into such a place.
I am too feisty and independent to accept domination. I
believe property rights must remain dominant; i.e., your
rights end at your property line and mine end at mine.
Of course, there has to be some reasonable limits, but
what color I *must* paint my shutters? Horsefeathers!
Most neighborhoods "conform" simply by osmosis, or
peer pressure. Most people are likely to keep their property clean and
clutter-free. Most people tend to
flock to what they can afford and you will find that neighborhoods tend to
catagorize themselves; affuent,
middle class, lower middle class, fair, poor, poor-ER.
I think HOAs are unnecessary and I will NOT accept them; those puffed up
self-important busybodys will have
to kick my **** first! So the obvious thing is to just stay
away. I am perfectly content in my 1956 ranch w/basement with the
fireplaces/inserts, garage and double
carport/deck, real plaster walls and knotty pine kitchen.
The geese that reside down at a woods nearby are an extra. OH, my house is
built FAR better than most of the
houses today. During Hurricane Hugo (1989) many of those "fine" houses in my
area were blown down like the
big, bad wolf. I lost shingles. Nothing more. 96 MPH
winds.

So, with this unintended rant, I say that I have no sympathy for those
"neighbors" that moved next to a pre-
existing condition and----well, TOUGH! They shouldna
been stupid enough to move there to start with!! LOL!
Then to have the arrogance to demand that the tower
that had been there for decades(?) have to move, HA!
Again, HORSEFEATHERS! (and a few other things).

73

Jerry
K4KWH

Jerry Oxendine wrote:
I am too feisty and independent to accept domination.

So Jerry, what are you going to do when 51% of the citizens are on
welfare and vote that the other 49% (including you and me) must
support them. Don't you believe in democracy?
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Jerry Oxendine wrote:
I am too feisty and independent to accept domination.

So Jerry, what are you going to do when 51% of the citizens are on
welfare and vote that the other 49% (including you and me) must
support them. Don't you believe in democracy?

Don't work so hard, get a job that is easier and pays less. Get a good
survival location, some guns, some food, etc.. Sit back and watch the
burnoff of useless eaters as it unfolds. It will be glorious.

No, they shouldn't. It's just like the people that build houses at the end
of a runway then complain about the noise.
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
snippage

KGA should not be forced to move because of some people's
ignorance or short-sightedness.

Au Contraire -- a ham here who had an antenna up for years was told that the
HOA voted it an eyesore and he was to take it down --He pleaded
"Grandfathering" and a long legal battle ensued and he lost. The CC&R was
not on antennas -- but on an "obnoxious structure"

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01...
Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT
AND
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571

Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community
Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want
Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of
HOA,
I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in.
Hey, I
moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits.
Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the
farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city
annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too
........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The
cows stayed. Good neigh-
bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell
them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho.

Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those
HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint
your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that
move in next to an AIRPORT and then
expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I
choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of city
living and the
atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of wood
s,
dead end street, close in, yet
very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do
without, BTW. AND all the antennas I
want!


Jerry
K4KWH
"

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:f02zb.640$yf.222@fed1read01...
Au Contraire -- a ham here who had an antenna up for years was told that
the
HOA voted it an eyesore and he was to take it down --He pleaded
"Grandfathering" and a long legal battle ensued and he lost. The CC&R was
not on antennas -- but on an "obnoxious structure"

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Then it would have gone to Federal court where I would've used PRB-1. This
is a federal statute that requires that communities (municipal, county, etc)
make
reasonable accomodation for amateur antennas. I would
bet neither you or I have all the facts you are relating because IF that
antenna had been in place for "years"
as you say, I still believe it would have to be grand-fathered. But because
some muckety mucks move in
after *I* have had a tower for years (17) I must now remove it? Well,
they'll have to show me the hard way.

Eventually, the comformity crowd just may have to stick out their lips and
bear it, because there is an antenna bill
before Congress that *may* cause the blue-hairs heart failure! It will mean
that HOAs will have to make the same *reasonable* accomodations as local
governments.
Why? Because Amateur Radio is considered a part of America's communications
infrastructure and has been proven a valuable asset. While it is, foremost,
a hobby,
many people never consider will happen when towers fall,
a tornado strikes, or even a forest fire strikes. Those yuppy cell phones
aren't worth a tinker's dam (no, not 'damn'), your computer doesn't work
without power or
phone lines, and what's left? Ham Radio, *some* ES
comms, Civil Air Patrol, et al. And who will cry "foul" first? The same
air-headed HOA people so hell-bent
to get rid of "ugly" antennas. The same ones that will
scream "I WANT MY PHONE AND TV BACK ON"!
"How can I find out if my mother in the next town is OK"? And you,
likely, won't find out! Because you
ran off the neighbor that *could've* helped. You embarked on this power
trip. Das Shutzstassen (SS)und Dummkopten. Ya, Idioten!
And your pleas will be met with exactly what you wanted:


......................................Silence


J

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01...
Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT
AND
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571

Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community
Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want
Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort of
HOA,
I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered" in.
Hey, I
moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits.
Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the
farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city
annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too
........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that). The
cows stayed. Good neigh-
bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to sell
them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho.

Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those
HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint
your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks that
move in next to an AIRPORT and then
expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them. I
choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of
city
living and the
atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of
wood
s,
dead end street, close in, yet
very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do
without, BTW. AND all the antennas I
want!


Jerry
K4KWH
"

Well if I am not mistaken --- PRB-1 is NOT applicable to HOA's
Only municipal, county, etc

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:f02zb.640$yf.222@fed1read01...
Au Contraire -- a ham here who had an antenna up for years was told that
the
HOA voted it an eyesore and he was to take it down --He pleaded
"Grandfathering" and a long legal battle ensued and he lost. The CC&R
was
not on antennas -- but on an "obnoxious structure"

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Then it would have gone to Federal court where I would've used PRB-1.
This
is a federal statute that requires that communities (municipal, county,
etc)
make
reasonable accomodation for amateur antennas. I would
bet neither you or I have all the facts you are relating because IF that
antenna had been in place for "years"
as you say, I still believe it would have to be grand-fathered. But
because
some muckety mucks move in
after *I* have had a tower for years (17) I must now remove it? Well,
they'll have to show me the hard way.

Eventually, the comformity crowd just may have to stick out their lips and
bear it, because there is an antenna bill
before Congress that *may* cause the blue-hairs heart failure! It will
mean
that HOAs will have to make the same *reasonable* accomodations as local
governments.
Why? Because Amateur Radio is considered a part of America's
communications
infrastructure and has been proven a valuable asset. While it is,
foremost,
a hobby,
many people never consider will happen when towers fall,
a tornado strikes, or even a forest fire strikes. Those yuppy cell phones
aren't worth a tinker's dam (no, not 'damn'), your computer doesn't work
without power or
phone lines, and what's left? Ham Radio, *some* ES
comms, Civil Air Patrol, et al. And who will cry "foul" first? The same
air-headed HOA people so hell-bent
to get rid of "ugly" antennas. The same ones that will
scream "I WANT MY PHONE AND TV BACK ON"!
"How can I find out if my mother in the next town is OK"? And you,
likely, won't find out! Because you
ran off the neighbor that *could've* helped. You embarked on this power
trip. Das Shutzstassen (SS)und Dummkopten. Ya, Idioten!
And your pleas will be met with exactly what you wanted:


.....................................Silence


J

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:7yryb.294$yf.196@fed1read01...
Outwitting -- use Stealth Antennas URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT
AND
http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=7571

Outsmarting -- Don't buy into an HOA Community
Think Ahead --- An HOA can adapt a no antenna rule anytime they want
Have Big Bucks to fight it in court -- Most HOA's have deep pockets

--
73 From The Wilderness Keyboard

Um, not exactly. If a neighborhood were to suddenly enact some sort
of
HOA,
I believe any pre-existing antennas would have to be "grandfathered"
in.
Hey, I
moved in next to a cow pasture that was in the city limits.
Now some 4-eyed wimps would want to try to make the
farmer get rid of his cows. Couldn't! When the city
annexed the neighborhood, they had to take the cows too
........they refused to MOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! (Sorry, I had to do that).
The
cows stayed. Good neigh-
bors, too. Remained until the farmer died and his sons decided to
sell
them. Now, they just can't put them back, tho.

Of course, the solution is NOT to move into one of those
HOAs with the blue-haired lady telling what color to paint
your shutters. Once you do, you are stuck. Kinda like those folks
that
move in next to an AIRPORT and then
expect to get PAID because of the noise. I have no sympathy for them.
I
choose NOT to live in such a place. And I get all the convenience of
city
living and the
atmosphere of the country: a grassy meadow (former pasture), lots of
wood
s,
dead end street, close in, yet
very quiet, deer, owls, geese, foxes, and raccoons--which I could do
without, BTW. AND all the antennas I
want!


Jerry
K4KWH
"