wrote in message ...
Frank I have been reading the various posting in this thread. And
some
of the posting here disgust me. Why do some of these people call
themselves American's? America is supposed to be the land of the
FREE.

By far, this posting by you is the best.

I have read most of the articles in the second web site you listed.

It's about time America wakes up. The world doesn't revolve around
HOA's
or there darn rules.

As a veteran I have flown the Stars and Strips at our home since I
returned from the military (35+ years ago) and will do until I expire.
I, unlike some in this thread are proud of my country. I am proud to
fly
the Stars & Strips over our home. I am proud to have served in the
military of these United States of America.

I am also proud to have served in the military only to protect the
rights of HOA's and their over baring officials, to forbid Americans
from flying there FLAG on a poll erected for this purpose only. And
they
call themselves patriotic Americans........ya.



Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote
and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, I thought there must be
some mistake. Maybe the reporters didn't get the story quite right and
the whole misunderstanding would be cleared up quickly. I was surprised
to learn how long this damn thing has been dragged out, despite the
support Mr. Andres has received from the public and the Florida
politicians. I was just as surprised to learn that there's several
similiar cases out there. Telling any American he can't raise a flag or
put up a religious monument on his own property is an abuse of power.
Telling it to a man who has served his country compounds the injustice.

I suppose we should remember that a small percentage of us are real
SOBs. A small percentage of governments are, or will be, run by SOBs.
That's democracy.

That's why I want my government to limited by some sort of respect for
individual rights.

Frank Dresser

Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
....
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote
and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...

SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

Dave Shrader wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
...
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote

and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...


SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:44:35 GMT, Sid wrote:

IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

Of course, we here in the US do not live in a democracy. Rather, our
form of government is a representational republic.

Russ


Dave Shrader wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
...
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote

and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...


SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

Sid wrote:
IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

The democracy that voted to end the life of Socrates was
pretty tyrannical. How would you like a democracy voting
to end your life?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
...

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

No. We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic. Name
any admentment and I can post a law that violates it that the courts have
upheld (ok, with the exception of the quartering of soildiers!!).

Midwest Kid wrote:
We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic.

If we live in a Democracy, Al Gore, who got the majority of the popular
vote, would be President. The Electorial College is certainly not
democratic. The fact that we vote for representatives rather than
voting on laws directly is certainly not democratic.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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You are speaking of Al Gore, the guy who claims to have invented the
internet. The guy who didn't even carry his own state of Tennessee.

He couldn't tie his shoes without being told how to or permission.

This thread isn't about politics. Get over it.

Cecil Moore wrote:

Midwest Kid wrote:
We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic.

If we live in a Democracy, Al Gore, who got the majority of the popular
vote, would be President. The Electorial College is certainly not
democratic. The fact that we vote for representatives rather than
voting on laws directly is certainly not democratic.
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"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
...


Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a
simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party
says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE


I dunno. Democracy usually works out as well as can be expected. It
works out well enough that Americans sometimes forget about the
potential tyranny of the majority. Having some of our rights written
down is a useful reminder.

Frank Dresser

"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
...


Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
...
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote
and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...

SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!


Getting closer to the truth, but exactly what, besides redundant, is a
"representative republic"? Perhaps you meant to say "constitutional
republic".

Ed
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