Midwest Kid wrote:
We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic.

If we live in a Democracy, Al Gore, who got the majority of the popular
vote, would be President. The Electorial College is certainly not
democratic. The fact that we vote for representatives rather than
voting on laws directly is certainly not democratic.
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Ed Price wrote:
Getting closer to the truth, but exactly what, besides redundant, is a
"representative republic"? Perhaps you meant to say "constitutional
republic".

In a pure democracy, the voters vote directly on the laws. In a
representative republic, the voters vote on a representative who
votes directly on the laws. In a constitutional republic, some laws
are off limits both to the voters and to the representatives, i.e.
inalienable rights (at least until the constitution is ammended).
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Cecil Moore wrote:

Ed Price wrote:
Getting closer to the truth, but exactly what, besides redundant, is a
"representative republic"? Perhaps you meant to say "constitutional
republic".

In a pure democracy, the voters vote directly on the laws. In a
representative republic, the voters vote on a representative who
votes directly on the laws. In a constitutional republic, some laws
are off limits both to the voters and to the representatives, i.e.
inalienable rights (at least until the constitution is ammended).

No, inalienable rights are not subject to constitutional gerrymandering.
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J Aurelio wrote:
No, inalienable rights are not subject to constitutional gerrymandering.

On the contrary, I have an inalienable right to consume wine.
God gave us grapes and yeast and granted us dominion over all the
plants. Jesus turned water into wine. The US government saw fit
to suspend that inalienable right during the 20's & 30's. Thank
God I was born in 1938.
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"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
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Well if I am not mistaken --- PRB-1 is NOT applicable to HOA's
Only municipal, county, etc


But you must've not read the entire post. I said that there are moves in
Congress to make those HOAs null and void, and those stuffed shirted old
buzzards will have to
make reasonable accomodations as is the case now under PRB-1. I am all for
it. The control freaks will just have to get a case of the "poochy lip" and
bear it.

For me, I have been here for 17 years--same house, same 70 ft antenna
tower. And a few dipoles to boot. I
doubt that that anyone is going to come along and make me move them. I'd
fight liked a cornered tiger! Then I'd
shoot 'em the bird and move far out into the country on
enough land to have those "Posted" signs on it and de-double dog dare anyone
to come messin' round. LOL!

Jerry


Jerry
K4KWH
"

You are speaking of Al Gore, the guy who claims to have invented the
internet. The guy who didn't even carry his own state of Tennessee.

He couldn't tie his shoes without being told how to or permission.

This thread isn't about politics. Get over it.

Cecil Moore wrote:

Midwest Kid wrote:
We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic.

If we live in a Democracy, Al Gore, who got the majority of the popular
vote, would be President. The Electorial College is certainly not
democratic. The fact that we vote for representatives rather than
voting on laws directly is certainly not democratic.
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I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the
rules
that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or
move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral
fortitude than it does the HOA's policies...
'Doc

ah.

Nice advice for pacifists and those having a lack of spine and
a yellow tint to the bellies.

Clint

Jerry Oxendine wrote:
Move to NC!

Or TX, or AZ. I didn't even have an HOA in San Jose, CA.
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Jerry, my daughter lives in Cornelius NC, (which is as you know just a
few miles north of you) they have an HOA but it apparently doesn't mean
a darn thing.

The neighbors are moving into $220,000 new homes, they put up metal
sheds chain link fences, etc. which both are against the HOA rules. NC
is no different than any other state, they all have the dreaded HOA's.
From what I see, the HOA rules are only enforced when some damn nosey
neighbor want's to put there nose into your business.

God Bless America for our Freedoms, where ever they may be.

Jerry Oxendine wrote:

Move to NC! While I am sure there are HOA communities as the population
grows, there are still plenty
of older neighborhoods with excellent homes without HOAs here in my state.
And I have never had trouble finding a place to live without 'em. Once
checked out
a neighborhood in my town called YorkChester. Many
older homes of many styles and sizes. It had been desig-
nated an historic neighborhood and you couldn't even change the style of
your front door without dealing with
the old blue-haired lady with the peepovers. NOPE! I
ain't moving there. But I found a nice place on a dead end street where
such things had never been thought of.
Been here for 17 years.

Maybe it is more difficult in, say, California (the land of
fruits and nuts--dare I say it), but it is still possible to find
antenna-friendly places to live if one really wants to.

I have no sympathy for someone who moves into such a place where
restrictions exist KNOWING it. I am just
fiesty enough and ornery enough not to let someone else
tell me what I can do on my own property. One's property rights should
reign supreme; i.e., your rights end
at my property line, and mine end at yours. Most people
are sincerely enough for such rules not have to exist. The
neighborhood will conform by osmosis or "peer" pressure. If a neighborhood
has junk cars in it, look at the
rest of the houses; they likely will too. If there are mostly
frame "shotgun" houses, the rest are likely to be, too. If
the neighborhood is nice, brick/frame, trimmed hedges, mown lawns, *most*
all the others will be, too. Choose
your neighbors carefully and check for HOAs and coven-
ents FIRST.

Jerry

Same where I live in Raleigh NC, only enforce these hoa rules when it is
convenient.

Case in point, somebody put in a pool in backyard, not allowed in hoa and county
rules,
homeowner stops paying hoa dues, hoa filed lein, homeowner filed lawsuit.
His/her rights of due process were violated.
Homeowner collected over $ 350,000 from our hoa, the insurance only covered
$ 200,000 and we the rest of the hood had to pay up with increase in hoa dues.
Homeowner sells house and moved out. Did the hoa board learn ? no !
They changed rules so now you need three signed complaints from separate
neighbors before
the hoa will look into anything.

One guy rides a mobility scooter and he takes photos of anything he don't like
to see.

I can't move out because the homes are too expensive here and almost all have
hoa stuff.
I could move out of the county to the country but the commute and schools are a
factor.
hoa rules not problem for me, nobody can see my antenna and if there is a
contest,
I put them up and take them down a day or two later.





wrote:

Jerry, my daughter lives in Cornelius NC, (which is as you know just a
few miles north of you) they have an HOA but it apparently doesn't mean
a darn thing.

The neighbors are moving into $220,000 new homes, they put up metal
sheds chain link fences, etc. which both are against the HOA rules. NC
is no different than any other state, they all have the dreaded HOA's.
From what I see, the HOA rules are only enforced when some damn nosey
neighbor want's to put there nose into your business.

God Bless America for our Freedoms, where ever they may be.

Jerry Oxendine wrote:

Move to NC! While I am sure there are HOA communities as the population
grows, there are still plenty
of older neighborhoods with excellent homes without HOAs here in my state.
And I have never had trouble finding a place to live without 'em. Once
checked out
a neighborhood in my town called YorkChester. Many
older homes of many styles and sizes. It had been desig-
nated an historic neighborhood and you couldn't even change the style of
your front door without dealing with
the old blue-haired lady with the peepovers. NOPE! I
ain't moving there. But I found a nice place on a dead end street where
such things had never been thought of.
Been here for 17 years.

Maybe it is more difficult in, say, California (the land of
fruits and nuts--dare I say it), but it is still possible to find
antenna-friendly places to live if one really wants to.

I have no sympathy for someone who moves into such a place where
restrictions exist KNOWING it. I am just
fiesty enough and ornery enough not to let someone else
tell me what I can do on my own property. One's property rights should
reign supreme; i.e., your rights end
at my property line, and mine end at yours. Most people
are sincerely enough for such rules not have to exist. The
neighborhood will conform by osmosis or "peer" pressure. If a neighborhood
has junk cars in it, look at the
rest of the houses; they likely will too. If there are mostly
frame "shotgun" houses, the rest are likely to be, too. If
the neighborhood is nice, brick/frame, trimmed hedges, mown lawns, *most*
all the others will be, too. Choose
your neighbors carefully and check for HOAs and coven-
ents FIRST.

Jerry