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December 14th 04, 02:50 AM

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R. Steve Walz wrote:
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I have to laugh, I think Dave C. is a lawyer. The minute I remove
the
phones from my house because I can't trust my kids, then when there
is
an emergency and something happens to my minor child, I will be
considered an irresponsible parent because they can't call 911 and
I'll
be sued by my kid and the child welfare department. Where is the
common sense here. Parents are responsible for their minor childs
actions.....PERIOD. Parents, do what you must to keep your kids
safe!
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You simply don't grasp this deeply enough.

Here's what parental responsibility ACTUALLY means! Actually: The
parent deserves everything their child decides to inflict upon them!!

And why?

Because the treatment of the child is wholly responsible for how
the child treats the parent and in fact wholly JUSTIFIES that same
treatment!!
YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE FROM YOUR KIDS! If you can't
trust them, YOU did it! If they hate you, YOU MADE THEM! If you
were unable to justify their love for you, then you deserve their
hate!! If you don't give them what you were supposed to, AND in a
mode and manner so that they WANTED TO RECEIVE AND ACCEPT IT, then
you DESERVE ALL the results!!

This, of course, assumes that children are fully functional, rational,
thinking people.
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They are indeed, every bit as much as any adult.
Reason is what humans do, they aren't capable of anything else.
What YOU might call them being illogical is merely a logic that
happens to be inconvenient to your agenda.

We, of course, know better than to assume something
as ridiculous as this.
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You're not nobility, quit trying to speak for anyone but yourself.

Hell, there are many adults who don't fall into this category.
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Then we should definitely keep those people from abusing the rights
of their children.

The difference is, the adults that don't fall into this category are
(usually) held responsible for their actions,
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There's nothing whatsoever wrong with punishing crime, but a child
deciding other than YOU would prefer them decide does NOT amount to
an adult crime!!

where as the parent of
the child who falls into this category can be held responsible.
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If they assault or coerce a child they should be punished, just as
a child who assaults a parent who does not oppress them should be
punished. But when a child opposes their parents' oppression, that
is NOT crime, but VIRTUE!!

So since the parent can be held responsible, the parent should
have enough authority over the child to prevent such behavior.
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The parent is virtually never held to any responsibility for the
crimes of children. No one can be held responsible for any assault
on another than their own, and only if it is not justified violence
against oppression.
Steve

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