On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:16:30 GMT, "SamSez"
wrote:


"Geoff Burginon" wrote in message
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snip

However, this IS rec.radio.scanner -- not rec.radio.shortwave, and Passport's
'Verdict' section on the icom says "Among tested PC-controlled receivers, the
Japanese-made Icom IC-PCR1000 is the most appropriate for wideband frequency
coverage." -- which kind of sounds like what a rec.radio.scanner questioner
would be interested in...

Indeed. In such case I would have however recommend the WinRadio
WR-1550e. I happen to own this model also, and in my experience it
runs circles around the PCR 1000.

Geoff


You might indeed recommend it, but Passport did not... [the original question?]


Passport did not review Winradio 1550e in fact. And even if they did,
I'd rather verify their opinion myself, as I always do - trust me I am
very well qualified for that. Also, as you are correctly implying
elsewhere, different people can have different needs and motivations,
and other issues rather than those of strictly objective technical
merit can, and often do, come into play, and I have seen this
happening with Passport also.

But that particular Passport comparison involved only Winradio G303i
vs TenTec vs PCR1000, which I have already covered. You can also see
the TenTec and Winradio receivers compared side by side by Lee
Reynolds in the August 2003 issue of the Monitoring Times magazine.
The G303i was, unsurprisingly, a clear winner.

So, the answer to the original question is, "yes, Winradio is really
that good", and often better than it is being credited for. I guess
the reason is that they are often miles ahead of others. Just look at
their latest G303e and G313i - there is simply no comparison:
http://www.winradio.com/home/g303e.htm
http://www.winradio.com/home/g313i.htm

Geoff

"Geoff Burginon" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:16:30 GMT, "SamSez"
wrote:


"Geoff Burginon" wrote in message
news:41fb67ad.451203@news-server...
snip

However, this IS rec.radio.scanner -- not rec.radio.shortwave, and
Passport's
'Verdict' section on the icom says "Among tested PC-controlled receivers,
the
Japanese-made Icom IC-PCR1000 is the most appropriate for wideband
frequency
coverage." -- which kind of sounds like what a rec.radio.scanner
questioner
would be interested in...

Indeed. In such case I would have however recommend the WinRadio
WR-1550e. I happen to own this model also, and in my experience it
runs circles around the PCR 1000.

Geoff


You might indeed recommend it, but Passport did not... [the original
question?]


Passport did not review Winradio 1550e in fact. And even if they did,
I'd rather verify their opinion myself, as I always do - trust me I am
very well qualified for that. Also, as you are correctly implying
elsewhere, different people can have different needs and motivations,
and other issues rather than those of strictly objective technical
merit can, and often do, come into play, and I have seen this
happening with Passport also.

But that particular Passport comparison involved only Winradio G303i
vs TenTec vs PCR1000, which I have already covered. You can also see
the TenTec and Winradio receivers compared side by side by Lee
Reynolds in the August 2003 issue of the Monitoring Times magazine.
The G303i was, unsurprisingly, a clear winner.

So, the answer to the original question is, "yes, Winradio is really
that good", and often better than it is being credited for. I guess
the reason is that they are often miles ahead of others. Just look at
their latest G303e and G313i - there is simply no comparison:
http://www.winradio.com/home/g303e.htm
http://www.winradio.com/home/g313i.htm

Geoff


So I guess you're the guy I buy one from...

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:24:33 GMT, "SamSez"
wrote:


"Geoff Burginon" wrote in message
news:41fc1759.1072906@news-server...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:16:30 GMT, "SamSez"
wrote:


"Geoff Burginon" wrote in message
news:41fb67ad.451203@news-server...
snip

However, this IS rec.radio.scanner -- not rec.radio.shortwave, and
Passport's
'Verdict' section on the icom says "Among tested PC-controlled receivers,
the
Japanese-made Icom IC-PCR1000 is the most appropriate for wideband
frequency
coverage." -- which kind of sounds like what a rec.radio.scanner
questioner
would be interested in...

Indeed. In such case I would have however recommend the WinRadio
WR-1550e. I happen to own this model also, and in my experience it
runs circles around the PCR 1000.

Geoff


You might indeed recommend it, but Passport did not... [the original
question?]


Passport did not review Winradio 1550e in fact. And even if they did,
I'd rather verify their opinion myself, as I always do - trust me I am
very well qualified for that. Also, as you are correctly implying
elsewhere, different people can have different needs and motivations,
and other issues rather than those of strictly objective technical
merit can, and often do, come into play, and I have seen this
happening with Passport also.

But that particular Passport comparison involved only Winradio G303i
vs TenTec vs PCR1000, which I have already covered. You can also see
the TenTec and Winradio receivers compared side by side by Lee
Reynolds in the August 2003 issue of the Monitoring Times magazine.
The G303i was, unsurprisingly, a clear winner.

So, the answer to the original question is, "yes, Winradio is really
that good", and often better than it is being credited for. I guess
the reason is that they are often miles ahead of others. Just look at
their latest G303e and G313i - there is simply no comparison:
http://www.winradio.com/home/g303e.htm
http://www.winradio.com/home/g313i.htm

Geoff


So I guess you're the guy I buy one from...


Sorry, I am not selling mine, as you can see I am a very happy owner.
:-)

So I guess you must be running out of arguments if you are resorting
to such cheap shots. ;-)

Geoff

"Geoff Burginon" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:24:33 GMT, "SamSez"
wrote:


"Geoff Burginon" wrote in message
news:41fc1759.1072906@news-server...
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:16:30 GMT, "SamSez"
wrote:


"Geoff Burginon" wrote in message
news:41fb67ad.451203@news-server...
snip

However, this IS rec.radio.scanner -- not rec.radio.shortwave, and
Passport's
'Verdict' section on the icom says "Among tested PC-controlled
receivers,
the
Japanese-made Icom IC-PCR1000 is the most appropriate for wideband
frequency
coverage." -- which kind of sounds like what a rec.radio.scanner
questioner
would be interested in...

Indeed. In such case I would have however recommend the WinRadio
WR-1550e. I happen to own this model also, and in my experience it
runs circles around the PCR 1000.

Geoff


You might indeed recommend it, but Passport did not... [the original
question?]


Passport did not review Winradio 1550e in fact. And even if they did,
I'd rather verify their opinion myself, as I always do - trust me I am
very well qualified for that. Also, as you are correctly implying
elsewhere, different people can have different needs and motivations,
and other issues rather than those of strictly objective technical
merit can, and often do, come into play, and I have seen this
happening with Passport also.

But that particular Passport comparison involved only Winradio G303i
vs TenTec vs PCR1000, which I have already covered. You can also see
the TenTec and Winradio receivers compared side by side by Lee
Reynolds in the August 2003 issue of the Monitoring Times magazine.
The G303i was, unsurprisingly, a clear winner.

So, the answer to the original question is, "yes, Winradio is really
that good", and often better than it is being credited for. I guess
the reason is that they are often miles ahead of others. Just look at
their latest G303e and G313i - there is simply no comparison:
http://www.winradio.com/home/g303e.htm
http://www.winradio.com/home/g313i.htm

Geoff


So I guess you're the guy I buy one from...


Sorry, I am not selling mine, as you can see I am a very happy owner.
:-)

So I guess you must be running out of arguments if you are resorting
to such cheap shots. ;-)

Geoff



Only because the credibility index went to zero with the statement that the
1550e "runs circles around" the 1000. Little point to rational arguments in
that environment.

The radio hobby market has MOSTLY rejected the winradio.
I suspect it is due to their high price and lack of third party software
and extemely poor marketing,

The hobby has long embraced the ICOM PCR 1000.
There are DOZENS of FREEWare and shareware titles
that can do everything from trunk tracking to
ship tracking, conventional scanning, tuning from
free shortwave broadcaster databases and decode many digital modes
WITHOUT MODIFICATION Pretty cool.
Check out DX-Tuners,

(extra cost to do alot of these fun things: zero )

The Icom PCR FUN FACTOR IS VERY HIGH.
Winradio has almost completely failed in this respect.


Why?

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:29:49 GMT, "B L R"
wrote:

(extra cost to do alot of these fun things: zero )

The Icom PCR FUN FACTOR IS VERY HIGH.
Winradio has almost completely failed in this respect.


Why?


Is this question really justified? I can't see why. I for one am
certainly having much more fun with my WR-1550e than I ever had with
my PCR-1000. Putting aside Winradio's professionally crafted and fully
supported software which comes with the receiver (there really is no
comparison to the crap that Icom supplies with their radios), there
are plenty of *free* software add-ons as well.

See for example:

1. http://www.rbasic.com (now where is Icom's equivalent to that? -
see also under "Programs")
2. http://xrs.winradio.com (ditto - see all the free plugins under
"Downloads")
3. http://www.linradio.com (source codes for Linux buffs)
4. http://www.winradio.com/home/macradio.htm (native software for Mac)
5. http://www.winradio.com/home/developer.htm (open programming
standard)
etc. (I better stop here before Sam accuses me again of being a
salesman for Winradio... :-))

Maybe Winradio's marketing "mistake" was to supply good software in
the first place, so that people can actually use it as it is without
having to look for third party stuff... :-)

Geoff

The PCR 1000's "fun" factor may be high, but its "performance" factor leaves
much to be desired. Read the reviews found all over the net.

When I buy a radio, I buy it to listen to... what good is a radio that has a
million "fun" features, but can't receive worth a ****?

"B L R" wrote in message
.. .

The Icom PCR FUN FACTOR IS VERY HIGH.
Winradio has almost completely failed in this respect.

B L R wrote:
The radio hobby market has MOSTLY rejected the winradio.

Oh no, not yet another self-appointed expert on the radio hobby market.
Winradio rules. Great products, great service, great company.

PB

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:03:36 GMT, "SamSez"
wrote:


Only because the credibility index went to zero with the statement that the
1550e "runs circles around" the 1000. Little point to rational arguments in
that environment.


Don't know why it should have. Such is my experience. And it looks I
am not alone.

Geoff