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Legal Question
Hi Gang,
I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there have been laws passed in various states as to where scanners are allowed and not allowed, particularly in motor vehicles - be they Ham operators or not - unless involved with Police/Fire/EMS (you get the drift). So far as I am still aware, PA is not included in any such laws. BUT - for the sake of this question, I'm going to include PA in part of the question.... SO here goes... and you - where ever you are, can tell me what the laws are in your area as they may pertain to this subject so as not to drag this out more than need be - as we know the scanner law question has been beaten down many times in here in the past. ************************************************** *********************************** Though states may not allow "Mobile" scanners... do they have in those same laws or any other laws, any thing that remotely relates to a "hand held" scanner being carried - ESPECIALLY - on board say - a "Transit" bus? Now, I know that "transit buses" have signs and perhaps a policy - often loosely enforced, as to having radios and the like (CD players and such) played so as not to disturb other passengers. But is there any "LAWS" keeping a person from carrying a "scanner" on board a bus? Oh, and I'm not referring to any laws which may cover if a scanner were to be used in the course of a crime being committed. I'm talking having one - in general. I had a person tell me just today, a bus operator told them "A scanner was illegal aboard a bus." The bus in question was in PA (the driver didn't refer to PA specifically though), and I asked the party if they had headphones on - they said yes. I know that most if not all the time, IF headphones are worn, the radio or whatever is not brought into question. I personally think the driver stepped WAY out of his league of knowledge. Your thoughts????? Thanks, Lou |
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 02:08:45 -0500, "Lou" wrote:
YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE Hi Gang, I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there have been laws passed in various states as to where scanners are allowed and not allowed, particularly in motor vehicles - be they Ham operators or not - unless involved with Police/Fire/EMS (you get the drift). So far as I am still aware, PA is not included in any such laws. BUT - for the sake of this question, I'm going to include PA in part of the question.... SO here goes... and you - where ever you are, can tell me what the laws are in your area as they may pertain to this subject so as not to drag this out more than need be - as we know the scanner law question has been beaten down many times in here in the past. ************************************************* ************************************ Though states may not allow "Mobile" scanners... do they have in those same laws or any other laws, any thing that remotely relates to a "hand held" scanner being carried - ESPECIALLY - on board say - a "Transit" bus? Now, I know that "transit buses" have signs and perhaps a policy - often loosely enforced, as to having radios and the like (CD players and such) played so as not to disturb other passengers. But is there any "LAWS" keeping a person from carrying a "scanner" on board a bus? Oh, and I'm not referring to any laws which may cover if a scanner were to be used in the course of a crime being committed. I'm talking having one - in general. I had a person tell me just today, a bus operator told them "A scanner was illegal aboard a bus." The bus in question was in PA (the driver didn't refer to PA specifically though), and I asked the party if they had headphones on - they said yes. I know that most if not all the time, IF headphones are worn, the radio or whatever is not brought into question. I personally think the driver stepped WAY out of his league of knowledge. Your thoughts????? Thanks, Lou |
"Lou" wrote in
.verio.net: Hi Gang, I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there have been laws passed in various states as to where scanners are allowed and not allowed, particularly in motor vehicles - be they Ham operators or not - unless involved with Police/Fire/EMS (you get the drift). So far as I am still aware, PA is not included in any such laws. BUT - for the sake of this question, I'm going to include PA in part of the question.... SO here goes... and you - where ever you are, can tell me what the laws are in your area as they may pertain to this subject so as not to drag this out more than need be - as we know the scanner law question has been beaten down many times in here in the past. ************************************************** *********************** ************ Though states may not allow "Mobile" scanners... do they have in those same laws or any other laws, any thing that remotely relates to a "hand held" scanner being carried - ESPECIALLY - on board say - a "Transit" bus? Now, I know that "transit buses" have signs and perhaps a policy - often loosely enforced, as to having radios and the like (CD players and such) played so as not to disturb other passengers. But is there any "LAWS" keeping a person from carrying a "scanner" on board a bus? Oh, and I'm not referring to any laws which may cover if a scanner were to be used in the course of a crime being committed. I'm talking having one - in general. I had a person tell me just today, a bus operator told them "A scanner was illegal aboard a bus." The bus in question was in PA (the driver didn't refer to PA specifically though), and I asked the party if they had headphones on - they said yes. I know that most if not all the time, IF headphones are worn, the radio or whatever is not brought into question. I personally think the driver stepped WAY out of his league of knowledge. Your thoughts????? Thanks, Lou Seems to me that the phrase 'mobile use of a scanner is prohibited' is pretty self explanitory. |
Yeah, it's self explanatory, so get a life, like that other guy said ...
r yu stewped? "T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... "Lou" wrote in .verio.net: Hi Gang, I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there have been laws passed in various states as to where scanners are allowed and not allowed, particularly in motor vehicles - be they Ham operators or not - unless involved with Police/Fire/EMS (you get the drift). So far as I am still aware, PA is not included in any such laws. BUT - for the sake of this question, I'm going to include PA in part of the question.... SO here goes... and you - where ever you are, can tell me what the laws are in your area as they may pertain to this subject so as not to drag this out more than need be - as we know the scanner law question has been beaten down many times in here in the past. ************************************************** *********************** ************ Though states may not allow "Mobile" scanners... do they have in those same laws or any other laws, any thing that remotely relates to a "hand held" scanner being carried - ESPECIALLY - on board say - a "Transit" bus? Now, I know that "transit buses" have signs and perhaps a policy - often loosely enforced, as to having radios and the like (CD players and such) played so as not to disturb other passengers. But is there any "LAWS" keeping a person from carrying a "scanner" on board a bus? Oh, and I'm not referring to any laws which may cover if a scanner were to be used in the course of a crime being committed. I'm talking having one - in general. I had a person tell me just today, a bus operator told them "A scanner was illegal aboard a bus." The bus in question was in PA (the driver didn't refer to PA specifically though), and I asked the party if they had headphones on - they said yes. I know that most if not all the time, IF headphones are worn, the radio or whatever is not brought into question. I personally think the driver stepped WAY out of his league of knowledge. Your thoughts????? Thanks, Lou Seems to me that the phrase 'mobile use of a scanner is prohibited' is pretty self explanitory. |
"Jaddled Burf-Whummy" wrote in message news:wG5Md.252460$Xk.248143@pd7tw3no... Yeah, it's self explanatory, so get a life, like that other guy said ... r yu stewped? "T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... "Lou" wrote in .verio.net: Hi Gang, I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there Seems to me that the phrase 'mobile use of a scanner is prohibited' is pretty self explanitory. Such intelligent answers.... It is NOT self explanatory, as there are usually exceptions to any law. Get a life? Stewped? WOW, I'm impressed. Such intelligent answers. How about providing some factual answers. Must be bus drivers like the one this person ran into. Scanners are sold to be used. So, tell me, if YOU with the intelligent responses are "truly" scanner users - were told you weren't allowed to be in possession of your scanners in certain situations, you would just say "Oh, OK!" and give up? I doubt it. Thanks for the help thus far. Sure hope you're as fortunate when you need it. L. |
"Lou" wrote in message
.verio.net... Hi Gang, I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there have been laws passed in various states as to where scanners are allowed and not allowed, particularly in motor vehicles - be they Ham operators or not - unless involved with Police/Fire/EMS (you get the drift). So far as I am still aware, PA is not included in any such laws. BUT - for the sake of this question, I'm going to include PA in part of the question.... SO here goes... and you - where ever you are, can tell me what the laws are in your area as they may pertain to this subject so as not to drag this out more than need be - as we know the scanner law question has been beaten down many times in here in the past. ************************************************** *********************************** Though states may not allow "Mobile" scanners... do they have in those same laws or any other laws, any thing that remotely relates to a "hand held" scanner being carried - ESPECIALLY - on board say - a "Transit" bus? Now, I know that "transit buses" have signs and perhaps a policy - often loosely enforced, as to having radios and the like (CD players and such) played so as not to disturb other passengers. But is there any "LAWS" keeping a person from carrying a "scanner" on board a bus? Oh, and I'm not referring to any laws which may cover if a scanner were to be used in the course of a crime being committed. I'm talking having one - in general. I had a person tell me just today, a bus operator told them "A scanner was illegal aboard a bus." The bus in question was in PA (the driver didn't refer to PA specifically though), and I asked the party if they had headphones on - they said yes. I know that most if not all the time, IF headphones are worn, the radio or whatever is not brought into question. I personally think the driver stepped WAY out of his league of knowledge. Your thoughts????? Thanks, Lou Usenet is a real poor place to ask any kind of legal question. You, as you have seen, can get all kinds of answers. If you rely on the responses here, get in trouble with the law, telling some judge you "read it on the net" will get you nothing. If the state you are in has laws regarding scanners, I would have to assume the law is available on line? As to the Public bus, if you find there is no law against them, the easy way would seem to be not let the driver know you have a scanner. If the guy is using headphones who is going to know what he is listening to? -- The two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity. (not necessarily in that order) |
"Alex Clayton" wrote in message news:so7Md.4179$ Usenet is a real poor place to ask any kind of legal question. You, as you have seen, can get all kinds of answers. If you rely on the responses here, get in trouble with the law, telling some judge you "read it on the net" will get you nothing. No it won't. He'll get to see the judge roll his eyes as if saying "how stupid can this guy be?" If the state you are in has laws regarding scanners, I would have to assume the law is available on line? All statutes are available on line, through the state's gummint website. Just have to look As to the Public bus, if you find there is no law against them, the easy way would seem to be not let the driver know you have a scanner. If the guy is using headphones who is going to know what he is listening to? I take mine with my on the rapid transit train with headphones. No trouble at all. Listen in on transit frequencies. |
"Alex Clayton" wrote in message ink.net... "Lou" wrote in message .verio.net... Usenet is a real poor place to ask any kind of legal question. You, as you have seen, can get all kinds of answers. If you rely on the responses here, get in trouble with the law, telling some judge you "read it on the net" will get you nothing. If the state you are in has laws regarding scanners, I would have to assume the law is available on line? As to the Public bus, if you find there is no law against them, the easy way would seem to be not let the driver know you have a scanner. If the guy is using headphones who is going to know what he is listening to? -- The two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity. (not necessarily in that order) I understand and certainly agree that Usenet is not a "legal" authority. What I was attempting to do, was get a feel for what is out there as to laws - since it would seem to me the hundreds if not thousands of users would have by now - tapped into their state laws in interest and may have weighed in with anything in comparison OR in any instances similar. Maybe even case history as to challenges. Sorry I asked......... |
"Paul Keenleyside" wrote in message news:hs7Md.195919$KO5.12735@clgrps13... As to the Public bus, if you find there is no law against them, the easy way would seem to be not let the driver know you have a scanner. If the guy is using headphones who is going to know what he is listening to? I take mine with my on the rapid transit train with headphones. No trouble at all. Listen in on transit frequencies. THANK YOU, this is the type of reference I was looking for - to see if others faced similar situations, hurdles - with regard to using scanners onboard transit. |
We're not all goody-two-shoes types, in fact, I know of a guy that USED to
post stuff in this NG who was just the opposite, he used scanners to beat the cops regularly (as do a lot of this NGs regulars to this day, you can tell who they are because they feel the greatest need to hide behind loud, strident exclamations of shocked, "I'm-so-aghast-at-the-idea-of-using-scanners-in-an-unlawful-manner" responses --- you'll see what I mean, just watch). As for bus drivers, whoa. I for one am not too fond of some of those dyed-in-the-wool rodents. The personality disorders of some of these individuals is pathetic, they should have these retards working in the back of a warehouse somewhere they NEVER come into contact with the public, never mind on a public bus where they can brag to each other about how far they keep people running after the bus before speeding away, and how many old people they knock down by sudden acceleration/deceleration for no reason other than an old person is standing up and vulnerable to being pushed over. My advice to you is, use your scanner wherever and whenever you damn well want to, and use it for whatever you want to. How are they going to know? "Lou" wrote in message .verio.net... Hi Gang, I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there have been laws passed in various states as to where scanners are allowed and not allowed, particularly in motor vehicles - be they Ham operators or not - unless involved with Police/Fire/EMS (you get the drift). So far as I am still aware, PA is not included in any such laws. BUT - for the sake of this question, I'm going to include PA in part of the question.... SO here goes... and you - where ever you are, can tell me what the laws are in your area as they may pertain to this subject so as not to drag this out more than need be - as we know the scanner law question has been beaten down many times in here in the past. ************************************************** *********************************** Though states may not allow "Mobile" scanners... do they have in those same laws or any other laws, any thing that remotely relates to a "hand held" scanner being carried - ESPECIALLY - on board say - a "Transit" bus? Now, I know that "transit buses" have signs and perhaps a policy - often loosely enforced, as to having radios and the like (CD players and such) played so as not to disturb other passengers. But is there any "LAWS" keeping a person from carrying a "scanner" on board a bus? Oh, and I'm not referring to any laws which may cover if a scanner were to be used in the course of a crime being committed. I'm talking having one - in general. I had a person tell me just today, a bus operator told them "A scanner was illegal aboard a bus." The bus in question was in PA (the driver didn't refer to PA specifically though), and I asked the party if they had headphones on - they said yes. I know that most if not all the time, IF headphones are worn, the radio or whatever is not brought into question. I personally think the driver stepped WAY out of his league of knowledge. Your thoughts????? Thanks, Lou |
"Lou" wrote in message
o.verio.net... "Alex Clayton" wrote in message ink.net... "Lou" wrote in message .verio.net... Usenet is a real poor place to ask any kind of legal question. You, as you have seen, can get all kinds of answers. If you rely on the responses here, get in trouble with the law, telling some judge you "read it on the net" will get you nothing. If the state you are in has laws regarding scanners, I would have to assume the law is available on line? As to the Public bus, if you find there is no law against them, the easy way would seem to be not let the driver know you have a scanner. If the guy is using headphones who is going to know what he is listening to? -- The two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity. (not necessarily in that order) I understand and certainly agree that Usenet is not a "legal" authority. What I was attempting to do, was get a feel for what is out there as to laws - since it would seem to me the hundreds if not thousands of users would have by now - tapped into their state laws in interest and may have weighed in with anything in comparison OR in any instances similar. Maybe even case history as to challenges. Sorry I asked......... You don't need to be sorry you asked. I was just warning not only you, but anyone reading. Many people come to the "net" for the first time every day. Many don't seem to understand what they read "may" have no basis in fact. I well remember when I finally got my Father to get a PC. He had a few rather humorous times with some of the stuff he was finding. If someone posts a link to make your state's law easier to look up, great. Just be careful of stories about "well I do this, and it's fine" kind of things. For one, you don't know if the person really does, or if they are in the same jurisdiction you are, or if they may be breaking the law, and may not know it themselves. As I said if you break some law, end up in court, and have only the "excuse" that you "read" it on the net, you will get no where, no matter what "stories" you hear about people running rings around the court. As to some of the "stupid" responses you get, that's just Usenet. there are always a lot of people here who got beat up all the time at school, so they come here with their cape on ready to "kick some cyber ass", shrug. You just have to wade through it, there is LOT'S of good info out there too. Just be careful what you act on. -- The two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity. (not necessarily in that order) |
"Cat" wrote in message news:2D7Md.252739$6l.80515@pd7tw2no... We're not all goody-two-shoes types, in fact, I know of a guy that USED to post stuff in this NG who was just the opposite, he used scanners to beat the cops regularly (as do a lot of this NGs regulars to this day, you can tell who they are because they feel the greatest need to hide behind loud, strident exclamations of shocked, "I'm-so-aghast-at-the-idea-of-using-scanners-in-an-unlawful-manner" responses --- you'll see what I mean, just watch). As for bus drivers, whoa. I for one am not too fond of some of those dyed-in-the-wool rodents. The personality disorders of some of these individuals is pathetic, they should have these retards working in the back of a warehouse somewhere they NEVER come into contact with the public, never mind on a public bus where they can brag to each other about how far they keep people running after the bus before speeding away, and how many old people they knock down by sudden acceleration/deceleration for no reason other than an old person is standing up and vulnerable to being pushed over. My advice to you is, use your scanner wherever and whenever you damn well want to, and use it for whatever you want to. How are they going to know? It was another that occurred to. I use mine all the time. I've never had an issue - nor do I hide it. On board, I use headphones and often times off walking around as well. Around here, "most" bus drivers are ok - so I won't paint them with the same brush. The driver this person had the issue with - well.... seems to make his own laws. He is well known for all the wrong reasons. Friendly - is not in his dictionary. A shining example of your description. A job in the public is not the place to be if you can't handle it. But that is another issue. Personally, I think "I" would have asked the driver to show me in his book where that is written - especially in PA. Whether the man mentioned he had a scanner or the driver just happened to see it, I don't think he should have singled him out for "that". I think he overstepped his bounds. Matter of fact, that is the first incident of such thing "here" I've heard of. I don't condone people who use scanners for illegal gain - however they may be doing it - but scanners can and have been known to be of great help too. Everything has it's pluses and minuses Not everything makes it to the web as some suggest or would be found in search to any "law". I thought I could get some "experiences" off of those who value scanner use. I "know" that none of this would hold in court. Believe me, this is the LAST place I would turn to for "law" especially to use as evidence. Asking for experiences is not the same as asking for legal advice. Was just wanting a feel for what others have perhaps been through. I didn't think I'd ruffle any feathers. Sometimes, you just never know. L. |
"Alex Clayton" wrote in message ink.net... "Lou" wrote in message o.verio.net... "Alex Clayton" wrote in message ink.net... "Lou" wrote in message .verio.net... Usenet is a real poor place to ask any kind of legal question. You, as you have seen, can get all kinds of answers. If you rely on the responses here, get in trouble with the law, telling some judge you "read it on the net" will get you nothing. If the state you are in has laws regarding scanners, I would have to assume the law is available on line? As to the Public bus, if you find there is no law against them, the easy way would seem to be not let the driver know you have a scanner. If the guy is using headphones who is going to know what he is listening to? -- The two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity. (not necessarily in that order) I understand and certainly agree that Usenet is not a "legal" authority. What I was attempting to do, was get a feel for what is out there as to laws - since it would seem to me the hundreds if not thousands of users would have by now - tapped into their state laws in interest and may have weighed in with anything in comparison OR in any instances similar. Maybe even case history as to challenges. Sorry I asked......... You don't need to be sorry you asked. I was just warning not only you, but anyone reading. Many people come to the "net" for the first time every day. Many don't seem to understand what they read "may" have no basis in fact. I well remember when I finally got my Father to get a PC. He had a few rather humorous times with some of the stuff he was finding. If someone posts a link to make your state's law easier to look up, great. Just be careful of stories about "well I do this, and it's fine" kind of things. For one, you don't know if the person really does, or if they are in the same jurisdiction you are, or if they may be breaking the law, and may not know it themselves. As I said if you break some law, end up in court, and have only the "excuse" that you "read" it on the net, you will get no where, no matter what "stories" you hear about people running rings around the court. As to some of the "stupid" responses you get, that's just Usenet. there are always a lot of people here who got beat up all the time at school, so they come here with their cape on ready to "kick some cyber ass", shrug. You just have to wade through it, there is LOT'S of good info out there too. Just be careful what you act on. -- The two most abundant things in the universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity. (not necessarily in that order) I'm not new... not by a long shot. Was just trying to get feelers for anyone who may have experienced this sort of situation and so on. Trust me, this doesn't even rate as my last resort for "legal" info or evidence. Yes, you're so right, there is lots of good info to be had. AND just as often, many not so helpful answers to be had. I could look up PA law without a doubt. Was more so interested in any "transit" related situations around the nation - even in the states where no "scanner" law applies. Any "hidden" policies which the net may not produce. L. |
Lou - yes, ignore the trolls who feel the need to post idiotic replies
simply to hear themselves type. That other guy with the 'cyber-cape' analogy hit it right on the button. Usenet is chock full of weirdos and misfits who cannot seem to comprehend consideration, compassion, and the understanding fellow hobbysits should have for one another. They would never admit to wanting to ask the same questions at one time themselves. It's pathetic. But, thats the internet for ya. Lots of brave souls traveling anonymously. My solution to such a dilemma concerning scanners (I drive commercial vehicles for a living) was to obtain my FCC license and get a ham radio callsign, thus exempting myself from some scanner laws, and volunteering for my local Red Cross chapter. Once anyone sees that ID and an FCC license they will not question your right to carry and use a frequency scanner anywhere you go:) "Lou" wrote in message .verio.net... Hi Gang, I know this isn't a "legal" group, but hear me out. We all know - there have been laws passed in various states as to where scanners are allowed and not allowed, particularly in motor vehicles - be they Ham operators or not - unless involved with Police/Fire/EMS (you get the drift). So far as I am still aware, PA is not included in any such laws. BUT - for the sake of this question, I'm going to include PA in part of the question.... SO here goes... and you - where ever you are, can tell me what the laws are in your area as they may pertain to this subject so as not to drag this out more than need be - as we know the scanner law question has been beaten down many times in here in the past. ************************************************** ************************** ********* Though states may not allow "Mobile" scanners... do they have in those same laws or any other laws, any thing that remotely relates to a "hand held" scanner being carried - ESPECIALLY - on board say - a "Transit" bus? Now, I know that "transit buses" have signs and perhaps a policy - often loosely enforced, as to having radios and the like (CD players and such) played so as not to disturb other passengers. But is there any "LAWS" keeping a person from carrying a "scanner" on board a bus? Oh, and I'm not referring to any laws which may cover if a scanner were to be used in the course of a crime being committed. I'm talking having one - in general. I had a person tell me just today, a bus operator told them "A scanner was illegal aboard a bus." The bus in question was in PA (the driver didn't refer to PA specifically though), and I asked the party if they had headphones on - they said yes. I know that most if not all the time, IF headphones are worn, the radio or whatever is not brought into question. I personally think the driver stepped WAY out of his league of knowledge. Your thoughts????? Thanks, Lou |
Yeah, it's self explanatory, so get a life, like that other guy said ... r yu stewped? "Get a life" - This from a If I need the opinion of an asshole, I'll just fart. |
Such intelligent answers.... It is NOT self explanatory, as there are usually exceptions to any law. Get a life? Stewped? WOW, I'm impressed. Such intelligent answers. How about providing some factual answers. Must be bus drivers like the one this person ran into. Scanners are sold to be used. So, tell me, if YOU with the intelligent responses are "truly" scanner users - were told you weren't allowed to be in possession of your scanners in certain situations, you would just say "Oh, OK!" and give up? I doubt it. Thanks for the help thus far. Sure hope you're as fortunate when you need it. L. All righty - I'll try to break it down for ya. Busses are considered a form of mobile transportation so ..... If you use a scanner on a bus, you are using a scanner mobily, which is prohibited by law. You can argue technicalities until your blue in the face, but that won't stop a judge who goes by the letter of the law from confiscating your scanner, and imposing fines. And yes, the same would apply to a taxi,trolly or train - And even a bicycle. |
Mark wrote in
: On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:56:30 GMT, "Cat" wrote: We're not all goody-two-shoes types, in fact, I know of a guy that USED to post stuff in this NG who was just the opposite, he used scanners to beat the cops regularly Many states do have laws that say it's illegal to be in possession of a scanner during the furtherance of a crime. Even states who have no other scanner laws tend to like this one. I certainly have no problem with laws that target criminals anyway. I do have a problem with laws that prevent law abiding citizens from listening to whatever they want while in their car. I suppose part of the intent of the law is just the opposite of stopping people from evading the law - To stop curious law abiding citizens from flooding crime scenes and attempting to interpose themselves into dangerous situations. I did just that once when I first started scanning when there was a DEA surveillence going on a couple miles from my house. I went driving around to see if "S 1 " might be somebody I know and to see how well the agents were covered. I quickly decided that wasn't the brightest thing I ever did, and returned home to listen, never to do it again. I need my scanner mobilly only when going to air shows, so I transport it in my trunk till I get to my destination, then pop it out and scan away. |
"T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... Such intelligent answers.... It is NOT self explanatory, as there are usually exceptions to any law. Get a life? Stewped? WOW, I'm impressed. Such intelligent answers. How about providing some factual answers. Must be bus drivers like the one this person ran into. Scanners are sold to be used. So, tell me, if YOU with the intelligent responses are "truly" scanner users - were told you weren't allowed to be in possession of your scanners in certain situations, you would just say "Oh, OK!" and give up? I doubt it. Thanks for the help thus far. Sure hope you're as fortunate when you need it. L. All righty - I'll try to break it down for ya. Busses are considered a form of mobile transportation so ..... If you use a scanner on a bus, you are using a scanner mobily, which is prohibited by law. You can argue technicalities until your blue in the face, but that won't stop a judge who goes by the letter of the law from confiscating your scanner, and imposing fines. And yes, the same would apply to a taxi,trolly or train - And even a bicycle. Ah, but ya see, in PA there is NO scanner law that I'm aware of - unless one is in the works which again, I've not heard of... SO - I'm looking to see if there are any "transit" issues relating to scanner use onboard - not counting the fact headphones must be used to prevent disturbing others. So, that statement doesn't apply to ALL. So, no - you've not broken anything down. This driver made a statement, I want to see what others have experienced to either back his claim or put a hole in his balloon in so far as his claims (not for evidence). I still say he was off base. Airlines don't allow them. I know that - due to RF issues mainly. Buses do not have that issue. There are no "Transit" laws that I'm aware of that prohibits scanner use (even with headphones) which is what I was asking if others had similar problems - in states with or without Mobile Scanner laws. I can understand they stop cars/trucks to check things out. Rarely if ever have I heard of a bus being stopped to check all "passengers" for such items. Perhaps you can argue the states with the Mobile Scanning laws, it would apply.. Cool, I can accept that. But in those with no laws, sorry - it doesn't wash. They have no basis for which to make such policies. L. |
"Lou" wrote in
o.verio.net: "T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... Such intelligent answers.... It is NOT self explanatory, as there are usually exceptions to any law. Get a life? Stewped? WOW, I'm impressed. Such intelligent answers. How about providing some factual answers. Must be bus drivers like the one this person ran into. Scanners are sold to be used. So, tell me, if YOU with the intelligent responses are "truly" scanner users - were told you weren't allowed to be in possession of your scanners in certain situations, you would just say "Oh, OK!" and give up? I doubt it. Thanks for the help thus far. Sure hope you're as fortunate when you need it. L. All righty - I'll try to break it down for ya. Busses are considered a form of mobile transportation so ..... If you use a scanner on a bus, you are using a scanner mobily, which is prohibited by law. You can argue technicalities until your blue in the face, but that won't stop a judge who goes by the letter of the law from confiscating your scanner, and imposing fines. And yes, the same would apply to a taxi,trolly or train - And even a bicycle. Ah, but ya see, in PA there is NO scanner law that I'm aware of - unless one is in the works which again, I've not heard of... SO - I'm looking to see if there are any "transit" issues relating to scanner use onboard - not counting the fact headphones must be used to prevent disturbing others. So, that statement doesn't apply to ALL. So, no - you've not broken anything down. This driver made a statement, I want to see what others have experienced to either back his claim or put a hole in his balloon in so far as his claims (not for evidence). I still say he was off base. Airlines don't allow them. I know that - due to RF issues mainly. Buses do not have that issue. There are no "Transit" laws that I'm aware of that prohibits scanner use (even with headphones) which is what I was asking if others had similar problems - in states with or without Mobile Scanner laws. I can understand they stop cars/trucks to check things out. Rarely if ever have I heard of a bus being stopped to check all "passengers" for such items. Perhaps you can argue the states with the Mobile Scanning laws, it would apply.. Cool, I can accept that. But in those with no laws, sorry - it doesn't wash. They have no basis for which to make such policies. L. Well then if mobile use of a scanner is not illegal in PA, your likely in the clear. I have no interest in scanning laws in PA. I'd suggest you call the transit authority to get a definitive answer. |
"T-bone" wrote in message
9.130... "Lou" wrote in o.verio.net: "T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... Well then if mobile use of a scanner is not illegal in PA, your likely in the clear. I have no interest in scanning laws in PA. I'd suggest you call the transit authority to get a definitive answer. With all due respect, now we're getting some where. Still puts me back to the original question. I probably should have asked it in this way before - Has anyone else had similar problems aboard transit systems - with or without the applicable scanner laws. One or two have already given their experiences. I guess those who do not reply on mass transit could really give a **** less what the rules/laws/policies may be. Strange. I've seen this issue debated up the ass about airplanes, but never buses or such. |
"Lou" wrote in
o.verio.net: I guess those who do not reply on mass transit could really give a **** less what the rules/laws/policies may be. Strange. I've seen this issue debated up the ass about airplanes, but never buses or such. I suspect theres not a whole lot of scannists who use mass transit much, and don't scan when they do. Could be wrong. Here in the Detroit area, there is no mass transit as such. I'm thinking, barring an occasional crash or wino on the tracks, such monitoring would be about one step above taco belle drive through monitoring anyways. |
"T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... "Lou" wrote in o.verio.net: I guess those who do not reply on mass transit could really give a **** less what the rules/laws/policies may be. Strange. I've seen this issue debated up the ass about airplanes, but never buses or such. I suspect theres not a whole lot of scannists who use mass transit much, and don't scan when they do. Could be wrong. Here in the Detroit area, there is no mass transit as such. I'm thinking, barring an occasional crash or wino on the tracks, such monitoring would be about one step above taco belle drive through monitoring anyways. WOW....... We always learn something new. I would have thought Detroit being the "busy" place it is to be, would have mass transit. Hmmmm....... Thanks! L. |
"Lou" wrote in
o.verio.net: "T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... "Lou" wrote in o.verio.net: I guess those who do not reply on mass transit could really give a **** less what the rules/laws/policies may be. Strange. I've seen this issue debated up the ass about airplanes, but never buses or such. I suspect theres not a whole lot of scannists who use mass transit much, and don't scan when they do. Could be wrong. Here in the Detroit area, there is no mass transit as such. I'm thinking, barring an occasional crash or wino on the tracks, such monitoring would be about one step above taco belle drive through monitoring anyways. WOW....... We always learn something new. I would have thought Detroit being the "busy" place it is to be, would have mass transit. Hmmmm....... Thanks! L. Heck no - Unless you consider plain old busses mass transit. Maybe thats what your referring to - I always think of subways and organized trolly systems ala New York, Chicago,SF or New Orleans when I think of mass transit. I've been to Philly and Pittsburgh quite a few times, but don't really recall what they have in the way of mass transit, as I've always had my own vehicle there. We do have this goofy little elevated trolly called the 'people mover' in downtown, but its 100% automated, so I doubt if theres much, if anything, worth listening to from that. |
"T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... "Lou" wrote in o.verio.net: "T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... "Lou" wrote in o.verio.net: I guess those who do not reply on mass transit could really give a **** less what the rules/laws/policies may be. Strange. I've seen this issue debated up the ass about airplanes, but never buses or such. I suspect theres not a whole lot of scannists who use mass transit much, and don't scan when they do. Could be wrong. Here in the Detroit area, there is no mass transit as such. I'm thinking, barring an occasional crash or wino on the tracks, such monitoring would be about one step above taco belle drive through monitoring anyways. WOW....... We always learn something new. I would have thought Detroit being the "busy" place it is to be, would have mass transit. Hmmmm....... Thanks! L. Heck no - Unless you consider plain old busses mass transit. Maybe thats what your referring to - I always think of subways and organized trolly systems ala New York, Chicago,SF or New Orleans when I think of mass transit. I've been to Philly and Pittsburgh quite a few times, but don't really recall what they have in the way of mass transit, as I've always had my own vehicle there. We do have this goofy little elevated trolly called the 'people mover' in downtown, but its 100% automated, so I doubt if theres much, if anything, worth listening to from that. Pittsburgh has Mass Transit in the way of all their bus routes, trolleys and sub way systems. Still working on a Mag Lev of some sort. Magnetic Levitation - very high speed and supported on a rail above ground - to run a few miles between two points - unknown if they're planning stops along the way - though I'd have to think they would! There are some "smaller" systems around the Pittsburgh area which run people into the city to work and such, which - believe it or not - are called or at the least - consider themselves "mass transit". I suppose their claim is supported by the fact that the buses do carry "masses" of people to locations here and there. I suppose too, that is open for debate as to whether it really is "Mass Transit". Everyone has their own way of viewing things. I think you're probably right about the "People mover". About as exciting as watching cement harden. If there is any radio excitement there to be had, chances are it would be in the form of hash of some sort for those who like that sort of noise. Lou |
"Lou" wrote in
o.verio.net: "T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... "Lou" wrote in o.verio.net: "T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... "Lou" wrote in o.verio.net: I guess those who do not reply on mass transit could really give a **** less what the rules/laws/policies may be. Strange. I've seen this issue debated up the ass about airplanes, but never buses or such. I suspect theres not a whole lot of scannists who use mass transit much, and don't scan when they do. Could be wrong. Here in the Detroit area, there is no mass transit as such. I'm thinking, barring an occasional crash or wino on the tracks, such monitoring would be about one step above taco belle drive through monitoring anyways. WOW....... We always learn something new. I would have thought Detroit being the "busy" place it is to be, would have mass transit. Hmmmm....... Thanks! L. Heck no - Unless you consider plain old busses mass transit. Maybe thats what your referring to - I always think of subways and organized trolly systems ala New York, Chicago,SF or New Orleans when I think of mass transit. I've been to Philly and Pittsburgh quite a few times, but don't really recall what they have in the way of mass transit, as I've always had my own vehicle there. We do have this goofy little elevated trolly called the 'people mover' in downtown, but its 100% automated, so I doubt if theres much, if anything, worth listening to from that. Pittsburgh has Mass Transit in the way of all their bus routes, trolleys and sub way systems. Still working on a Mag Lev of some sort. Magnetic Levitation - very high speed and supported on a rail above ground - to run a few miles between two points - unknown if they're planning stops along the way - though I'd have to think they would! There are some "smaller" systems around the Pittsburgh area which run people into the city to work and such, which - believe it or not - are called or at the least - consider themselves "mass transit". I suppose their claim is supported by the fact that the buses do carry "masses" of people to locations here and there. I suppose too, that is open for debate as to whether it really is "Mass Transit". Everyone has their own way of viewing things. Hmmm .. Funny the things one misses out on when they're not really looking. The only transit vehicle I road on in Pittsburgh was them little rail cars that lug you up to the top of that big old hill near the river. Quite a nice view from there. Philly I've walked and drove all over the place, and don't recall seeing anything mass transit related. I think you're probably right about the "People mover". About as exciting as watching cement harden. If there is any radio excitement there to be had, chances are it would be in the form of hash of some sort for those who like that sort of noise. Lou I would think the only transmissions worthy of possible interest from the people mover would be from technicians servicing it during its frequent breakdowns. "Yeah,Red Fox 2 this is Blue Dog 1 ... I need another 8 inch greased nut, a reverse flange over-drive bearing, and another box of doughnuts. Over." |
"T-bone" wrote in message . 130... Hmmm .. Funny the things one misses out on when they're not really looking. The only transit vehicle I road on in Pittsburgh was them little rail cars that lug you up to the top of that big old hill near the river. Quite a nice view from there. Ah yes, the Incline - near Station Square - goes up to Mt. Washington. There were 2, but I think the other may be down now. Not sure. Don't hear much about it. Philly I've walked and drove all over the place, and don't recall seeing anything mass transit related. I think you're probably right about the "People mover". About as exciting as watching cement harden. If there is any radio excitement there to be had, chances are it would be in the form of hash of some sort for those who like that sort of noise. Lou I would think the only transmissions worthy of possible interest from the people mover would be from technicians servicing it during its frequent breakdowns. "Yeah,Red Fox 2 this is Blue Dog 1 ... I need another 8 inch greased nut, a reverse flange over-drive bearing, and another box of doughnuts. Over." As I said, as exciting as watching cement harden! But then again, on a dull night - the cops can even sound that exciting. L. |
I know that it is illegal to use a scanner while driving
a tractor-trailer and other commercial vehicles like that and I would believe that a bus falls under that classification. I'm not quite sure if it is a Federal law. The person I asked has been a long haul OTR driver for 20+ years. |
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:59:12 GMT, "T-bone" wrote:
"Lou" wrote in . to.verio.net: "T-bone" wrote in message 9.130... Such intelligent answers.... It is NOT self explanatory, as there are usually exceptions to any law. Get a life? Stewped? WOW, I'm impressed. Such intelligent answers. How about providing some factual answers. Must be bus drivers like the one this person ran into. Scanners are sold to be used. So, tell me, if YOU with the intelligent responses are "truly" scanner users - were told you weren't allowed to be in possession of your scanners in certain situations, you would just say "Oh, OK!" and give up? I doubt it. Thanks for the help thus far. Sure hope you're as fortunate when you need it. L. All righty - I'll try to break it down for ya. Busses are considered a form of mobile transportation so ..... If you use a scanner on a bus, you are using a scanner mobily, which is prohibited by law. You can argue technicalities until your blue in the face, but that won't stop a judge who goes by the letter of the law from confiscating your scanner, and imposing fines. And yes, the same would apply to a taxi,trolly or train - And even a bicycle. Ah, but ya see, in PA there is NO scanner law that I'm aware of - unless one is in the works which again, I've not heard of... SO - I'm looking to see if there are any "transit" issues relating to scanner use onboard - not counting the fact headphones must be used to prevent disturbing others. So, that statement doesn't apply to ALL. So, no - you've not broken anything down. This driver made a statement, I want to see what others have experienced to either back his claim or put a hole in his balloon in so far as his claims (not for evidence). I still say he was off base. Airlines don't allow them. I know that - due to RF issues mainly. Buses do not have that issue. There are no "Transit" laws that I'm aware of that prohibits scanner use (even with headphones) which is what I was asking if others had similar problems - in states with or without Mobile Scanner laws. I can understand they stop cars/trucks to check things out. Rarely if ever have I heard of a bus being stopped to check all "passengers" for such items. Perhaps you can argue the states with the Mobile Scanning laws, it would apply.. Cool, I can accept that. But in those with no laws, sorry - it doesn't wash. They have no basis for which to make such policies. L. Well then if mobile use of a scanner is not illegal in PA, your likely in the clear. I have no interest in scanning laws in PA. I'd suggest you call the transit authority to get a definitive answer. They're the last ones to call for an authorititive answer -- they'll tell you what they want you to do. While policy does not have the force of law -- as in they might not be able to have you arrested and tried for it -- they might be able to deny you the use of the transit facility. Many places have policies which will not stand up to a legal challenge. Most obvious is the kind of thing where a drycleaner posts a sign saying they can sell yor unclaimed garments for coste after thirty days. In fact, most jurisdictions specify ninety days. If they sell your stuff before ninety days, you can sue them for the value of the clothes and prevail. They will point to the sign just to scare you from making a claim, hence the name "in terrorem" clause. |
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use your scanner wherever and whenever you damn well want to, and use it
for whatever you want to. How are they going to know? ----------------------------------------- hmmm... If I modify my AM/FM broadcast band car radio by changing the frequency by unwinding or winding the coil or however you change frequencies on the radio, to change the 88 to 108 MHZ to soewhere between 148 and 160 MHZ, can I sit at MCDonald's with my car windows open and listen to the Burger King frequencies without geting in trouble? It wouldn't really count as a scanner. Just a car radio covering that frequency. On the other hand, maybe it would countt as a scanner since it has a "scan" button on it. Okay, I don't really know anything about how to change frequencies on a radio. (well, I don't know much about it). My point is still be careful when listening. and careful about how and where you use it. In other words, use common sense. |
I forgot. Even if I could modify my car radio to cover 150 to 160 MHZ,
it wont do any good as the mode is too wide for those frequencies. |
who cares if it's legal or not? that's what rottweilers are for --- if
anyone starts giving you a hassle about your radio, just give the nod to fido and the person will suddenly have far more important things to deal with than the legality of your radio equipment! arf! arf! woof! woooof! grrrr, snarl, slobber, woof, grr! ARF!!! There, figure that one out Mr nosy RF spectrum policeperson, and in the meantime my little radio device and I slip away into the night ... "Skweezieweezie" wrote in message ... I know that it is illegal to use a scanner while driving a tractor-trailer and other commercial vehicles like that and I would believe that a bus falls under that classification. I'm not quite sure if it is a Federal law. The person I asked has been a long haul OTR driver for 20+ years. |
Morning Lou,
Push comes to shove, Federal law superceeds state and local laws. It is legal now in all 50 states for a ham radio operator to have a receiver either in hand or in his/her vehicle. The state of New York states while this is legal under ferderal law, it is illeagal to have in a vehicle, a radio that is CAPABLE of TRANSMITTING on public service frequencies, as many of todays tranceivers can. This is a very specific distinction in NY. As for carrying a portable receiver onboard a PUBLIC carrier, your actions are legal as one of "the people" A PRIVATE carrier may impose specific regulations or rules on passengers, which may be theoreticly a violation of ones constitutional rights, but could be enforced at that time, as long as notification of such rule is properly displayed and presented to the patron. The idea is to avoid a problem before it becomes one, and that is due to the climate out there, with all the tension and "heightened" awareness, it would be best to keep such a device passivly displayed or under wraps as to avoid potential conflict. Headphones ARE A MUST! I know of now law that resricts the possession of a radio scanner on ones person while transiting onboard any ground transportation..You may request from your carrier, a WRITTEN list of compliances for its passengers. Cheers and happy RX'ing |
Barknee wrote: Federal law superceeds state and local laws.
-------------------------------------------------- Many states disagree. They say state law supercedes Federal law. And they give the reason as the U.S. constitution says that any rights not specifically granted to the Federal government by the constitution belongs to the states. Cases in point. The highway funding of the early 70's over the 55 MPH speed limit. The Federal Government wasn't able to legally make a law requiring all states to obey the 55 mph limit because the rights belong to the state. The states even said so. To get around this, the Federal government simply threatened to withold federal funding for the roads from any state who didn't reduce the speed limit to 55 MPH. |
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