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[email protected] October 4th 05 12:19 AM
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:47:18 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:58:50 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 02:18:14 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

The 'gummint should leave the decisions to the people who actually do
the job. At least in this case they finally got it right. Someone
must have been on vacation.

We saw how well comms went on 9/11, even with all the
"professionals" supposedly spwaking the same language.

Those political appointees couldn't get a paper bag to interop with a
bonfire to produce ash.

Cops and firemen aren't politicaal appointees.


But "the people who actually do the job" ouldn't even work each other on the same
frequencies.

First, NYPD operates on 450 MHz. FDNY operates on 150 MHz. The
equipment isn't cross-compatible.

My point exactly -- they had no common frequencies with which
to coordinate.


Second, the people who "do the job" of specifying the systems for NYC
are professional politicians, not professional communicators. Please
don't get me started - I spent 12 years pulling my hair out over their
supposed "expertise", buying systems that covered 25% of the area the
vendors promised coverage for, or portables that were "state of the
art" - in everything but providing communications.

Ditto.


Now NYS is putting in a MA/Com system for statewide interop. I guess
the question of who's going to pay for all the additional equipment
that every LE and FD in the state will have to buy (and then leave to
rot on a shelf unless it's ever needed, since very few systems in NYS
are MA/Com) isn't something that concerns them. And the fact that, in
the mountainous areas, the state couldn't afford enough coverage on
850 MHz.

There may be some states that have people on the ground making the
decisions, but the federal government and New York (both city and
state) aren't among them.

Michael Brown, anyone?

[email protected] October 4th 05 12:21 AM
10-codes losing popularity
 
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:49:49 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:55:59 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:16:21 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:43:16 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

Nice that they want you to be professional _sounding_, but
real professionals would clear up this "my way" childishness to avoid
confusion or disaster in a real emergency where multiple agencies were
thrown together.

And you've been a professional dispatcher for how long?

A rescue team with each member speaking his own language is a
disaster in waiting.. Or did your people learn nothing from the
screwed-up comms on 9/11.

You quite obviously know nothing about the situation in NYC. But
you've evaded the question yet again - HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN A
PROFESSIONAL DISPATCHER?

You won't answer that one, will you? Because you aren't one - you
just know how to make things up and hope they sound good to people who
don't know the actual situation. Surprise! You've been found out.

No, I've found out that the alleged professionals can't
coordinate a toilet seat and its lid.

And those who think that failure to standardize on a single
protocol (the name of the thread, right?) are failing in their
responsibilities.

Al Klein October 4th 05 12:33 AM
10-codes losing popularity
 
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:19:16 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:47:18 -0400, Al Klein
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:58:50 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

We saw how well comms went on 9/11, even with all the
"professionals" supposedly spwaking the same language.

Those political appointees couldn't get a paper bag to interop with a
bonfire to produce ash.

Cops and firemen aren't politicaal appointees.

Cops and firemen have no say in the design of the radio systems in NYC
- they're just the professionals who have to use them.

But "the people who actually do the job" ouldn't even work each other on the same
frequencies.

First, NYPD operates on 450 MHz. FDNY operates on 150 MHz. The
equipment isn't cross-compatible.

My point exactly -- they had no common frequencies with which
to coordinate.

Because the people on the ground have no say in how the systems are
set up. You're proving my point.

Al Klein October 4th 05 12:33 AM
10-codes losing popularity
 
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:21:34 GMT, said in
rec.radio.scanner:

No, I've found out that the alleged professionals can't
coordinate a toilet seat and its lid.

Which is why the people on the ground, not the "Michael Brown
professional" types, should be making the decisions.

And those who think that failure to standardize on a single
protocol (the name of the thread, right?) are failing in their
responsibilities.

The single protocol - PER SYSTEM (we can't have the same language
spoken on all systems in the universe) - is pretty well set. For
cross-system use, the "protocol" in this country is plain language
English. We don't need Michael Brown and his ilk (and you're numbered
in there) telling us how to do something we've been doing longer than
most of the people on usenet have been alive. No dispatcher worthy of
his pay check uses his department's codes when communicating with
another department.

You still haven't told us how much actual professional experience you
have. I guess "zero" is a fair approximation.


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