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What portable has best SSB?
Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against
the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40- meter ham bands. My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz increments, fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen any better?? I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for MW stations. Thanks.. |
What portable has best SSB?
WheatBoy wrote: Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40- meter ham bands. My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz increments, fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen any better?? I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for MW stations. Thanks.. Eton E1, hands down!!! |
What portable has best SSB?
The Eton E1 is a piece of junk. For the price the 1103 is as good as
the 7600GR. H. State wrote: WheatBoy wrote: Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40- meter ham bands. My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz increments, fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen any better?? I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for MW stations. Thanks.. Eton E1, hands down!!! |
What portable has best SSB?
"Douche Bag" wrote in message oups.com... The Eton E1 is a piece of junk. For the price the 1103 is as good as How bought that question? Come on you can do it! BH |
What portable has best SSB?
WheatBoy wrote: Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40- meter ham bands. My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz increments, fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen any better?? I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for MW stations. Thanks.. The Kaito KA-1103/1102 are OK for SSB. MW is weak with built-in antenna due to their small size. The Eton E1 is the best portable, but close to $500. It has 10 Hz readout & tuning steps so SSB sounds just like AM. I use a Radio Shack loop that is like the Terk Advantage & get AM/MW sometimes from Europe, Middle East & Africa. George (MN) |
What portable has best SSB?
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What portable has best SSB?
Dear Sir,
I cannot comment on the SSB performance of the Degen DE-1103 as I do not own one. I can tell you, however, that the SSB performance of the Sony ICF-SW7600GR is quite good as it features a USB/LSB switch as well as an analog clarifier. This allows you to adjust the phasing such that it is essentially "spot-on." It is also very sensitive and can even be used with an external antenna, if required. While my Grundig Satellit 800 and my AOR AR7030 Plus outperform it (they ought to at their prices!), for the money ($150 or less), the Sony is one sweet little receiver and it is ruggedly built, therefore eminently portable. I should think that its MW performance would be superior to that of the Degen due to its excellent sensitivity on MW as well as its synchronous detection circuit which can eliminate selective-fading distortion. The Degen does not have this circuit and I personally find it very helpful (both on SW and MW). All in all, the Sony ICF-SW7600GR is a very fine receiver which, I believe, would satisfy your needs well. Best, Joe P.S. I own five of them! WheatBoy wrote: Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40- meter ham bands. My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz increments, fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen any better?? I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for MW stations. Thanks. |
What portable has best SSB?
Hi,
I also have the Sony ICF-SW7600GR. But I must admit I am a novice in regard to SSB. Please tell me how I can make the most of my radio's SSB capabilities! If you have the time please tell me about SSB & how it can enhance my radio listening experience. I am really interested, thanks & regards, Deepak Joe Analssandrini wrote: Dear Sir, I cannot comment on the SSB performance of the Degen DE-1103 as I do not own one. I can tell you, however, that the SSB performance of the Sony ICF-SW7600GR is quite good as it features a USB/LSB switch as well as an analog clarifier. This allows you to adjust the phasing such that it is essentially "spot-on." It is also very sensitive and can even be used with an external antenna, if required. While my Grundig Satellit 800 and my AOR AR7030 Plus outperform it (they ought to at their prices!), for the money ($150 or less), the Sony is one sweet little receiver and it is ruggedly built, therefore eminently portable. I should think that its MW performance would be superior to that of the Degen due to its excellent sensitivity on MW as well as its synchronous detection circuit which can eliminate selective-fading distortion. The Degen does not have this circuit and I personally find it very helpful (both on SW and MW). All in all, the Sony ICF-SW7600GR is a very fine receiver which, I believe, would satisfy your needs well. Best, Joe P.S. I own five of them! WheatBoy wrote: Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40- meter ham bands. My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz increments, fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen any better?? I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for MW stations. Thanks. |
What portable has best SSB?
I second that request!
"jt" wrote in message ps.com... Hi, I also have the Sony ICF-SW7600GR. But I must admit I am a novice in regard to SSB. Please tell me how I can make the most of my radio's SSB capabilities! If you have the time please tell me about SSB & how it can enhance my radio listening experience. I am really interested, thanks & regards, Deepak Joe Analssandrini wrote: Dear Sir, I cannot comment on the SSB performance of the Degen DE-1103 as I do not own one. I can tell you, however, that the SSB performance of the Sony ICF-SW7600GR is quite good as it features a USB/LSB switch as well as an analog clarifier. This allows you to adjust the phasing such that it is essentially "spot-on." It is also very sensitive and can even be used with an external antenna, if required. While my Grundig Satellit 800 and my AOR AR7030 Plus outperform it (they ought to at their prices!), for the money ($150 or less), the Sony is one sweet little receiver and it is ruggedly built, therefore eminently portable. I should think that its MW performance would be superior to that of the Degen due to its excellent sensitivity on MW as well as its synchronous detection circuit which can eliminate selective-fading distortion. The Degen does not have this circuit and I personally find it very helpful (both on SW and MW). All in all, the Sony ICF-SW7600GR is a very fine receiver which, I believe, would satisfy your needs well. Best, Joe P.S. I own five of them! WheatBoy wrote: Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40- meter ham bands. My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz increments, fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen any better?? I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for MW stations. Thanks. |
What portable has best SSB?
Joe Analssandrini wrote: Dear Sir, I cannot comment on the SSB performance of the Degen DE-1103 as I do not own one. I can tell you, however, that the SSB performance of the Sony ICF-SW7600GR is quite good as it features a USB/LSB switch as well as an analog clarifier. This allows you to adjust the phasing such that it is essentially "spot-on." It is also very sensitive and can even be used with an external antenna, if required. While my Grundig Satellit 800 and my AOR AR7030 Plus outperform it (they ought to at their prices!), for the money ($150 or less), the Sony is one sweet little receiver and it is ruggedly built, therefore eminently portable. I should think that its MW performance would be superior to that of the Degen due to its excellent sensitivity on MW as well as its synchronous detection circuit which can eliminate selective-fading distortion. The Degen does not have this circuit and I personally find it very helpful (both on SW and MW). All in all, the Sony ICF-SW7600GR is a very fine receiver which, I believe, would satisfy your needs well. Best, Joe P.S. I own five of them! WheatBoy wrote: Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40- meter ham bands. My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz increments, fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen any better?? I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for MW stations. Thanks. I have a Sony 7600 (older version). The problem with a clarifier is you can't preset the radio to hear a signal that isn't present. That is, suppose you wanted to hear HF-GCS on 11.175USB. You can plug in 11.175usb, but until they start talking, the tuning will be off. The target market for portable shortwave radios is broadcast, not utility. For sideband broadcast, all that comes to mind is Radio Havana Cuba and AFN. I haven't listened to the RHC sideband in some time, but the 7600 should be fine for that application. |
What portable has best SSB?
Ya thanks Joe,
I'll check out what you said, thanks indeed, jt Joe Analssandrini wrote: Dear "jt," Single-sideband (SSB) transmission is a much more efficient means of transmitting voice via radio. It works by suppressing the signal's carrier beam and one of the two sidebands. Your radio supplies the "missing" carrier by generating it itself. This method of transmssion is almost as efficient as continuous-wave (CW) (Morse Code transmission) in that long distance reception can be achieved with relatively little transmitter power. (Its big disadvantage is that it is cumbersome to tune even with the best radios. This is why it has never caught on with the mainstream broadcasters or listeners. The only broadcaster transmitting in SSB of which I am aware is AFRTS.) While the SSB performance of the Sony ICF-SW7600GR is by no means the equal of a good communications receiver, it does perform well for a portable. (The biggest problem with it is that the IF filter is too wide for proper SSB reception.) It is probably the best SSB performer of small portable SW receivers currently available. To try it, merely tune to 3750 kHz during the evening. Set the "AM Mode" control (on the right side of the radio) to "AM" and, using the inner button (+ -) of the "Manual Tune/Scan Start/Stop" control, tune up until you hear something that sounds similar to "Donald Duck." Generally, but not always, this will be a frequency ending in "5." Tune up and down, if necessary, until you hear "Donald Duck" with the best signal strength. At this point, turn the "AM Mode" control to "SSB" and "LSB/USB" control to "LSB." (Hams on the 80 meter amateur band almost always use LSB). Turn the (analog) "SSB Fine Tune" control until the voice is completely intelligible. Sit back and listen! That's all there is to it. After a bit of investigation and experimentation, you will find other Ham bands (40 meters, 20 meters, etc.) which are used at various times of the day. Some of these Hams will use USB (generally above 10 MHz) or LSB (below 10 MHz). You can find the meter bands (frequencies) is any good reference (online or print). Personally, I do not often listen to Hams, but you, like many, many others, may find it enjoyable and you may even decide to "join" them by becoming a Ham yourself. (The ARRL website - just "Google" ARRL is a wealth of information.) I hope the above is of some interest and assistance to you. Best, Joe jt wrote: Hi, I also have the Sony ICF-SW7600GR. But I must admit I am a novice in regard to SSB. Please tell me how I can make the most of my radio's SSB capabilities! If you have the time please tell me about SSB & how it can enhance my radio listening experience. I am really interested, thanks & regards, Deepak |
What portable has best SSB?
Joe A. must be a shill for the Sony 7600 series, hell, for the price of
five of them, he could have an Eton E1 and change left over. Harold Another one bites the dust... |
What portable has best SSB?
Dear Mr. State,
I am not a "shill" for anyone but I do call 'em as I see 'em. I have been a shortwave listener for nearly the wrong side of fifty years now and I have seen/operated/owned quite a number of receivers, some of which were owned by friends/acquaintances, some of which I owned and still have, and others which have bitten the dust. I do not own an Eton E1 as I feel it would serve no real purpose in my radio shack at this time, especially in view of the fact that it offers no real advantages over other radios which I already own, such as a customized AOR AR7030 Plus, a Grundig Satellit 800, and the aforementioned Sony receivers. Yes I do own five of them for particular and personal reasons - five, that is, of the ICF-SW7600GR model; don't forget the two ICF-SW7600G models and the two ICF-SW35s that I own too, though the 'G models are not in current use. I also own five AN-LP1 antennas, an AOR WL500 antenna, and two Wellbrook ALA 330S antennas, all of which are in current use. Quite a fair setup, I should think. At least I'm happy with all of it. The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is positively the finest small portable shortwave receiver I have ever experienced. It is well-made, rugged, long-lasting, and offers performance that often belies its size. You and some others may disagree with me, but that is my opinion. I think that the original question on this thread was answered adequately though I did not see anyone who owns all the radios mentioned in the original post do a complete comparison. Since the person who started the thread mentioned only radios in the small portable category and asked about SSB performance with these, I do not believe he had in mind something as large and expensive as the Eton E1. Perhaps I misinterpreted the question. I did give my opinion of the Sony radio which I (obviously!) like very much and recommend to everyone. Others may and will disagree with me. But I know that its SSB performance is very good for a small portable radio. I personally haven't heard anything comparable in price or size that is better. Best, Joe H. State wrote: As usual, this thread has not answered the original question. As I stated several days ago, the Eton E1, hands down! This isn't even a contest, the Sony 7600 series sucks on ssb for utilities or amateur nets unless that particular frequency is totally in the clear. (not likely) with the crowded band conditions of today. Joe A. must be a shill for the Sony 7600 series, hell, for the price of five of them, he could have an Eton E1 and change left over. Harold |
The question was, What portable has the best ssb?
Joe Analssandrini wrote: Dear Mr. State, I am not a "shill" for anyone but I do call 'em as I see 'em. I have been a shortwave listener for nearly the wrong side of fifty years now and I have seen/operated/owned quite a number of receivers, some of which were owned by friends/acquaintances, some of which I owned and still have, and others which have bitten the dust. I do not own an Eton E1 as I feel it would serve no real purpose in my radio shack at this time, especially in view of the fact that it offers no real advantages over other radios which I already own, such as a customized AOR AR7030 Plus, a Grundig Satellit 800, and the aforementioned Sony receivers. Yes I do own five of them for particular and personal reasons - five, that is, of the ICF-SW7600GR model; don't forget the two ICF-SW7600G models and the two ICF-SW35s that I own too, though the 'G models are not in current use. I also own five AN-LP1 antennas, an AOR WL500 antenna, and two Wellbrook ALA 330S antennas, all of which are in current use. Quite a fair setup, I should think. At least I'm happy with all of it. The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is positively the finest small portable shortwave receiver I have ever experienced. It is well-made, rugged, long-lasting, and offers performance that often belies its size. You and some others may disagree with me, but that is my opinion. I think that the original question on this thread was answered adequately though I did not see anyone who owns all the radios mentioned in the original post do a complete comparison. Since the person who started the thread mentioned only radios in the small portable category and asked about SSB performance with these, I do not believe he had in mind something as large and expensive as the Eton E1. Perhaps I misinterpreted the question. I did give my opinion of the Sony radio which I (obviously!) like very much and recommend to everyone. Others may and will disagree with me. But I know that its SSB performance is very good for a small portable radio. I personally haven't heard anything comparable in price or size that is better. Best, Joe H. State wrote: As usual, this thread has not answered the original question. As I stated several days ago, the Eton E1, hands down! This isn't even a contest, the Sony 7600 series sucks on ssb for utilities or amateur nets unless that particular frequency is totally in the clear. (not likely) with the crowded band conditions of today. Joe A. must be a shill for the Sony 7600 series, hell, for the price of five of them, he could have an Eton E1 and change left over. Harold Since you don't own an Eton, I don't believe you are qualified to answer that question. I don't think anybody asked about your experience, how many radios and antennas you own. My list is much longer by the way, but I choose not to brag. Tell us that you can't answer the question, Joe. And quit that damn top posting, it shows your inexperience. Harold |
What portable has best SSB?
I like Fords best,other people prefer other brand names,and that is fine
and dandy,although I do own a 1914 Ford Model T one seat car and I wouldn't get rid of it for love or money (and a 1982 Ford van and a 1986 Ford car and a bunch of other old different brand name vehicles,all made in America,except for my 1961 Hercules made in Germany moped) I wish I could afford a Watkins Johnson radio and a Duenseberg car,although I have never owned either one of those items.There are a bunch of decent portable radios on the market and on the internet stores.Take your pick. cuhulin |
The question was, What portable has the best ssb?
In article .com,
"H. State" wrote: Joe Analssandrini wrote: Dear Mr. State, I am not a "shill" for anyone but I do call 'em as I see 'em. I have been a shortwave listener for nearly the wrong side of fifty years now and I have seen/operated/owned quite a number of receivers, some of which were owned by friends/acquaintances, some of which I owned and still have, and others which have bitten the dust. I do not own an Eton E1 as I feel it would serve no real purpose in my radio shack at this time, especially in view of the fact that it offers no real advantages over other radios which I already own, such as a customized AOR AR7030 Plus, a Grundig Satellit 800, and the aforementioned Sony receivers. Yes I do own five of them for particular and personal reasons - five, that is, of the ICF-SW7600GR model; don't forget the two ICF-SW7600G models and the two ICF-SW35s that I own too, though the 'G models are not in current use. I also own five AN-LP1 antennas, an AOR WL500 antenna, and two Wellbrook ALA 330S antennas, all of which are in current use. Quite a fair setup, I should think. At least I'm happy with all of it. The Sony ICF-SW7600GR is positively the finest small portable shortwave receiver I have ever experienced. It is well-made, rugged, long-lasting, and offers performance that often belies its size. You and some others may disagree with me, but that is my opinion. I think that the original question on this thread was answered adequately though I did not see anyone who owns all the radios mentioned in the original post do a complete comparison. Since the person who started the thread mentioned only radios in the small portable category and asked about SSB performance with these, I do not believe he had in mind something as large and expensive as the Eton E1. Perhaps I misinterpreted the question. I did give my opinion of the Sony radio which I (obviously!) like very much and recommend to everyone. Others may and will disagree with me. But I know that its SSB performance is very good for a small portable radio. I personally haven't heard anything comparable in price or size that is better. Best, Joe H. State wrote: As usual, this thread has not answered the original question. As I stated several days ago, the Eton E1, hands down! This isn't even a contest, the Sony 7600 series sucks on ssb for utilities or amateur nets unless that particular frequency is totally in the clear. (not likely) with the crowded band conditions of today. Joe A. must be a shill for the Sony 7600 series, hell, for the price of five of them, he could have an Eton E1 and change left over. Harold Since you don't own an Eton, I don't believe you are qualified to answer that question. I don't think anybody asked about your experience, how many radios and antennas you own. My list is much longer by the way, but I choose not to brag. Tell us that you can't answer the question, Joe. And quit that damn top posting, it shows your inexperience. You are being a bit silly about this comparison. Sony ICF-SW7600GR is about $150 and the Eton E1 is about $500, which is 3.3 times the cost of the Sony. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
What portable has best SSB?
WheatBoy wrote: Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40- meter ham bands. My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz increments, fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen any better?? I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for MW stations. Thanks.. Most small portables are not ideal for ssb because the controls are small and not as well designed as those found on a good table top. Most portables are designed first to catch MW, SW and FM broadcast signals and only secondarily to offer some capability with ssb signals. Consequently the fine adjustments needed to resolve ssb signals can take a little fiddling to bring in a good signal. From personal experience the DE1103 will catch a good number of signals in the 160-80-40 meter bands. The narrow filter really is a bit wide for ssb, so in one of those unusual times when the bands are crowded you will find signals crowding one another. Once the bfo wheel is set then it only needs to be tweaked for signals that are not on whole khz frequencies. Signals come in quite clearly and are easily understood. The Sony 7600 also uses a bfo wheel, but only has one filter and I suspect it will perform similarly to the DE1103 on ssb. You may want to read the reviews on Radiointel.com for details on both radios. If you don't mind stepping up several hundred dollars in price for a larger portable radio the Eton E1 will probably perform close to what you could get from a decent tabletop set on ssb. It has an amazing number of features. Also look at the Grundig Satellit 800. Again, see the reviews on Radiointel for details. |
What portable has best SSB?
In article . com,
"John S." wrote: WheatBoy wrote: Anybody who can expand on just the SSB performance of the 1103 against the Sony 7600GR? I'd like a little portable for mainly listening to 80/40- meter ham bands. My DX398 is insensitive off the whip and my B45 is okay but tunes in 5khz increments, fine tuning is touchy and seems to drift somewhat. Are the Sony or Degen any better?? I don't really care about FM or SWBC that much. Besides SSB, I'd use it for MW stations. Thanks.. Most small portables are not ideal for ssb because the controls are small and not as well designed as those found on a good table top. Most portables are designed first to catch MW, SW and FM broadcast signals and only secondarily to offer some capability with ssb signals. Consequently the fine adjustments needed to resolve ssb signals can take a little fiddling to bring in a good signal. From personal experience the DE1103 will catch a good number of signals in the 160-80-40 meter bands. The narrow filter really is a bit wide for ssb, so in one of those unusual times when the bands are crowded you will find signals crowding one another. Once the bfo wheel is set then it only needs to be tweaked for signals that are not on whole khz frequencies. Signals come in quite clearly and are easily understood. The Sony 7600 also uses a bfo wheel, but only has one filter and I suspect it will perform similarly to the DE1103 on ssb. You may want to read the reviews on Radiointel.com for details on both radios. If you don't mind stepping up several hundred dollars in price for a larger portable radio the Eton E1 will probably perform close to what you could get from a decent tabletop set on ssb. It has an amazing number of features. Also look at the Grundig Satellit 800. Again, see the reviews on Radiointel for details. SSB on the Drake SW8 is very impressive, though the radio (which is no longer made) is a bit hefty and somewhat expensive ($400-600). |
The question was, What portable has the best ssb?
In article pan.2006.08.08.08.09.44.574000@Quetzalcoatl,
Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote: On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:48:53 +0000, Telamon wrote: You are being a bit silly about this comparison. Sony ICF-SW7600GR is about $150 and the Eton E1 is about $500, which is 3.3 times the cost of the Sony. Unless you go through your radios quickly, the difference in initial cost can be amortized in a fraction of their useful lifespan, plus you have a more entertaining set for all that time. You can build a much better widget of any type by spending over 3 times the money on the fabrication cost. You have to compare radios that cost about the same otherwise it is comparing apples to oranges. Most people that have thought about it agree with this outlook. I don't go through my radios quickly but that has not been a price consideration for me. Generally, I have paid more money for performance and features that cost more money to put into a radio. There are no radios that you pay more money for just because of owner status or looks of a radio. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
The question was, What portable has the best ssb?
In article pan.2006.08.08.20.02.19.280000@Quetzalcoatl,
Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote: On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:26:29 +0000, Telamon wrote: In article pan.2006.08.08.08.09.44.574000@Quetzalcoatl, Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote: On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:48:53 +0000, Telamon wrote: You are being a bit silly about this comparison. Sony ICF-SW7600GR is about $150 and the Eton E1 is about $500, which is 3.3 times the cost of the Sony. Unless you go through your radios quickly, the difference in initial cost can be amortized in a fraction of their useful lifespan, plus you have a more entertaining set for all that time. You can build a much better widget of any type by spending over 3 times the money on the fabrication cost. You have to compare radios that cost about the same otherwise it is comparing apples to oranges. That's the crux of my point, that over extended time those spherical objects become more alike and the sweeter taste outweighs the initial cost. Most people that have thought about it agree with this outlook. I can only speak for myself and I'm certainly not 'most people'. Why do you post here? Is it just to debate? I try to be nice and I'm just disabused by a new poster to the news group. Well, chances are you are not new to the news group just one of a small handful of nut cases that reside here with a new handle so I'll dispense with the niceties and just declare you completely unreasonable. Now check this out - You can not compare radios that have a large cost difference between them. This is not a debatable statement and you are a fool if you think otherwise. You are obviously just Trolling for trouble. I don't go through my radios quickly but that has not been a price consideration for me. Generally, I have paid more money for performance and features that cost more money to put into a radio. But if you were buying on cost alone, you wouldn't have accumulated the experience that better equipment provides. That has nothing to do with the thread as is injecting the E1 into a thread about radios $200. There are no radios that you pay more money for just because of owner status or looks of a radio. I'd guess from outward signs that there are indeed folk who pay more for the status and prestige that high costs connote than the performance generally associated with it. Yeah that and maybe the new plastic smell right? Plonk -- Telamon Ventura, California |
The question was, What portable has the best ssb?
Dear Telamon,
I absolutely agree with your assessment of some of the new people here on this group. Who are they anyway? And why do at least some of them feel the necessity to resort to vulgar language? I suppose that if someone asked about a comparison of the Honda Civic, the Toyota Corolla, and the Nissan Sentra on a group, there would be some "clown" who would post that the Mercedes E-class is much better "hands-down!" The original question was for a comparison of SSB performance between the Degen DE-1103 and the Sony ICF-SW7600GR (with a mention of a couple of other small SW portables). Also the original poster said he was interested in using a (potential) new receiver for MW broadcasts. As I stated in my original post here, I do not own a Degen DE-1103. I do own the Sony ICF-SW7600GR and its performance on SSB is very good for a portable in its size and price class (that last should have gone without saying!), at least in my opinion. (And I think I forgot to mention that it is a superlative performer on MW as well.) Last night, reception conditions were mediocre and the stations I could hear (Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands, and a few others) had shows that were not of interest to me at that time. (I was feeling a bit out of sorts.) So I decided to try the 80-meter Ham band. On 3933 kHz (around 0420 UTC) I heard a group of Hams talking and the signal was very clear. Just for the heck of it, I turned off my AOR/Wellbrook and turned on the Sony/AN-LP1. The signal was by no means as clear or as strong as on the AOR, but it was intelligble, if not pleasant. On the AOR the signal sounded like "straight" AM; on the Sony the signal was obviously sideband. But then look at the difference in price! You're absolutely right - it is unfair to compare radios in different price classes especially in view of the obvious fact that radios in different price (and size) classes have different purposes. I think the Sony did all right! (Unfortunately the Hams were talking about Heat Pumps, which is not one of my favorite subjects. So after my little "experiment," I turned everything off and went to bed!) I suppose there's no real way to keep some of the "nastier" people off this group, such as H. Slate. As I'm sure you, Telamon, and many others know here I do try to answer questions where I feel that I can be of some help to someone. I've been an SWL for almost fifty years (of course that doesn't always make my answers right) and while my shortwave radio "collection" is by no means as extensive as many of the people here, I do have a fair amount of experience using the ones I have (and quite a few others as well). If my messages are unwanted by the majority of "old-timers" here, well just let me know and there will be no hard feelings. I've been called a few names before (most notably by my wife) but this is the first time I've been called a "shill." Best, Joe Telamon wrote: In article pan.2006.08.08.20.02.19.280000@Quetzalcoatl, Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote: On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:26:29 +0000, Telamon wrote: In article pan.2006.08.08.08.09.44.574000@Quetzalcoatl, Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote: On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:48:53 +0000, Telamon wrote: You are being a bit silly about this comparison. Sony ICF-SW7600GR is about $150 and the Eton E1 is about $500, which is 3.3 times the cost of the Sony. Unless you go through your radios quickly, the difference in initial cost can be amortized in a fraction of their useful lifespan, plus you have a more entertaining set for all that time. You can build a much better widget of any type by spending over 3 times the money on the fabrication cost. You have to compare radios that cost about the same otherwise it is comparing apples to oranges. That's the crux of my point, that over extended time those spherical objects become more alike and the sweeter taste outweighs the initial cost. Most people that have thought about it agree with this outlook. I can only speak for myself and I'm certainly not 'most people'. Why do you post here? Is it just to debate? I try to be nice and I'm just disabused by a new poster to the news group. Well, chances are you are not new to the news group just one of a small handful of nut cases that reside here with a new handle so I'll dispense with the niceties and just declare you completely unreasonable. Now check this out - You can not compare radios that have a large cost difference between them. This is not a debatable statement and you are a fool if you think otherwise. You are obviously just Trolling for trouble. I don't go through my radios quickly but that has not been a price consideration for me. Generally, I have paid more money for performance and features that cost more money to put into a radio. But if you were buying on cost alone, you wouldn't have accumulated the experience that better equipment provides. That has nothing to do with the thread as is injecting the E1 into a thread about radios $200. There are no radios that you pay more money for just because of owner status or looks of a radio. I'd guess from outward signs that there are indeed folk who pay more for the status and prestige that high costs connote than the performance generally associated with it. Yeah that and maybe the new plastic smell right? Plonk -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Shill out, Joe... ;)
"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message ups.com... I've been called a few names before (most notably by my wife) but this is the first time I've been called a "shill." Best, Joe |
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"Joe Analssandrini" wrote: Telamon wrote: In article pan.2006.08.08.20.02.19.280000@Quetzalcoatl, Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote: On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:26:29 +0000, Telamon wrote: In article pan.2006.08.08.08.09.44.574000@Quetzalcoatl, Bob Dobbs EC42 wrote: On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:48:53 +0000, Telamon wrote: You are being a bit silly about this comparison. Sony ICF-SW7600GR is about $150 and the Eton E1 is about $500, which is 3.3 times the cost of the Sony. Unless you go through your radios quickly, the difference in initial cost can be amortized in a fraction of their useful lifespan, plus you have a more entertaining set for all that time. You can build a much better widget of any type by spending over 3 times the money on the fabrication cost. You have to compare radios that cost about the same otherwise it is comparing apples to oranges. That's the crux of my point, that over extended time those spherical objects become more alike and the sweeter taste outweighs the initial cost. Most people that have thought about it agree with this outlook. I can only speak for myself and I'm certainly not 'most people'. Why do you post here? Is it just to debate? I try to be nice and I'm just disabused by a new poster to the news group. Well, chances are you are not new to the news group just one of a small handful of nut cases that reside here with a new handle so I'll dispense with the niceties and just declare you completely unreasonable. Now check this out - You can not compare radios that have a large cost difference between them. This is not a debatable statement and you are a fool if you think otherwise. You are obviously just Trolling for trouble. I don't go through my radios quickly but that has not been a price consideration for me. Generally, I have paid more money for performance and features that cost more money to put into a radio. But if you were buying on cost alone, you wouldn't have accumulated the experience that better equipment provides. That has nothing to do with the thread as is injecting the E1 into a thread about radios $200. There are no radios that you pay more money for just because of owner status or looks of a radio. I'd guess from outward signs that there are indeed folk who pay more for the status and prestige that high costs connote than the performance generally associated with it. Yeah that and maybe the new plastic smell right? Plonk Dear Telamon, I absolutely agree with your assessment of some of the new people here on this group. Who are they anyway? And why do at least some of them feel the necessity to resort to vulgar language? I suppose that if someone asked about a comparison of the Honda Civic, the Toyota Corolla, and the Nissan Sentra on a group, there would be some "clown" who would post that the Mercedes E-class is much better "hands-down!" This is a world wide public news group where individuals are supposed to participate by posting news and information germane to the news group. As a public resource some decide to abuse it for as many reasons as there are people. Some are sociopaths or have defective personalities where the people around them have shunned them. I suppose this is another place for them to fail to be able to interact with other people under a few simple rules. If you were to meet them in person it would be for the last time as you would actively avoid them in the future. It could be that some psychologist is using us for guinea pigs testing some theory of social interaction. Some of the posters might be on drugs or be nut cases. Some people just like to play mind games on others. Why? Maybe a form of control so they feel powerful? Who knows what is really going on with some of the posters to the news group. The original question was for a comparison of SSB performance between the Degen DE-1103 and the Sony ICF-SW7600GR (with a mention of a couple of other small SW portables). Also the original poster said he was interested in using a (potential) new receiver for MW broadcasts. As I stated in my original post here, I do not own a Degen DE-1103. I do own the Sony ICF-SW7600GR and its performance on SSB is very good for a portable in its size and price class (that last should have gone without saying!), at least in my opinion. (And I think I forgot to mention that it is a superlative performer on MW as well.) Last night, reception conditions were mediocre and the stations I could hear (Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands, and a few others) had shows that were not of interest to me at that time. (I was feeling a bit out of sorts.) So I decided to try the 80-meter Ham band. On 3933 kHz (around 0420 UTC) I heard a group of Hams talking and the signal was very clear. Just for the heck of it, I turned off my AOR/Wellbrook and turned on the Sony/AN-LP1. The signal was by no means as clear or as strong as on the AOR, but it was intelligble, if not pleasant. On the AOR the signal sounded like "straight" AM; on the Sony the signal was obviously sideband. But then look at the difference in price! You're absolutely right - it is unfair to compare radios in different price classes especially in view of the obvious fact that radios in different price (and size) classes have different purposes. Yesterday morning conditions were poor for me receiving stations across the NA continent. The geomagnetic field was unsettled but it has been that way in the past and Australia and NZ have come in just fine. Some antennas work better than others depending on the time of day and conditions. It is a good idea to have more than one kind of antenna around as the best angle of reception varies. I think the Sony did all right! (Unfortunately the Hams were talking about Heat Pumps, which is not one of my favorite subjects. So after my little "experiment," I turned everything off and went to bed!) I find most ham conversations boring. That would change if some were my friends and I was interested in their personal details but as strangers talking about some thing that interests them is generally not interesting. When I listen to hams I care about how well I receive them and where they are located and maybe their equipment but that is about it. I suppose there's no real way to keep some of the "nastier" people off this group, such as H. Slate. As I'm sure you, Telamon, and many others know here I do try to answer questions where I feel that I can be of some help to someone. I've been an SWL for almost fifty years (of course that doesn't always make my answers right) and while my shortwave radio "collection" is by no means as extensive as many of the people here, I do have a fair amount of experience using the ones I have (and quite a few others as well). If my messages are unwanted by the majority of "old-timers" here, well just let me know and there will be no hard feelings. It's a public news group so all you can do is kill file the problem people. There are a handful of trouble makers that change their handles after a while when most people have kill filed them. I've been called a few names before (most notably by my wife) but this is the first time I've been called a "shill." This is just some Trolling individual trying to cause trouble with you. If this happened to you in person you would get away from them and actively avoid them. Here some are under the delusion that you must read what they post or you are "controlling" them. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Telamon ) writes:
I think the Sony did all right! (Unfortunately the Hams were talking about Heat Pumps, which is not one of my favorite subjects. So after my little "experiment," I turned everything off and went to bed!) I find most ham conversations boring. That would change if some were my friends and I was interested in their personal details but as strangers talking about some thing that interests them is generally not interesting. When I listen to hams I care about how well I receive them and where they are located and maybe their equipment but that is about it. Of course, one big difference is that amateur radio is a two-way form of communication, with broadcasting specifically prohibited. So listening to it is like overhearing someone on the bus having a conversation with a friend, which generally is uninteresting unless you're part of the conversation. Broadcasting is to address those listeners at home, so if they aren't talking to that audience, they aren't doing their job. Just as with utility listening and number stations, listening to ham radio is often for the sake of testing one's ability to receive a weak signal or to run up a score of something, with the contents being secondary. Michael |
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If you dont want to start out spending a lot of money for a shortwave
radio,buy one of those forty something dollar Degen or Kaito shortwave radios.Test it out,see how you like it.If later on,you want a more expensive and perhaps better radio,check www.jr.com or Amazon for a Sony 7600GR radio.Check eBay too.Be sure to check out the eBay sellers ratings. cuhulin |
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There are a few old elderly Hams in the Jackson metro area and elsewhere
in Mississippi I listen to once in a while with my Radio Shack Pro-91 150 channel scanner radio.They never use profane language or insult anybody.There is no reason they would want to either because they are adults and they are Southern gentlemen. www.rigpix.com Radio Shack/Realistic Pro-91 I bought that radio for $75.00 at the EZ Pawn pawn shop across the Pearl River in Pearl,Mississippi about eight or nine years ago.I also own an ADi AR-147 radio (rigpix.com) I bought for two dollars at the Goodwill store (six tenths of a mile South of my little doggy's couch) about two years ago.The radio looks brand new.I haven't got around to checking it out yet though.If it works ok,I wont talk on it because I dont have a license. cuhulin |
The question was, What portable has the best ssb?
Michael Black wrote: Telamon ) writes: I think the Sony did all right! (Unfortunately the Hams were talking about Heat Pumps, which is not one of my favorite subjects. So after my little "experiment," I turned everything off and went to bed!) I find most ham conversations boring. That would change if some were my friends and I was interested in their personal details but as strangers talking about some thing that interests them is generally not interesting. When I listen to hams I care about how well I receive them and where they are located and maybe their equipment but that is about it. Of course, one big difference is that amateur radio is a two-way form of communication, with broadcasting specifically prohibited. So listening to it is like overhearing someone on the bus having a conversation with a friend, which generally is uninteresting unless you're part of the conversation. Broadcasting is to address those listeners at home, so if they aren't talking to that audience, they aren't doing their job. Just as with utility listening and number stations, listening to ham radio is often for the sake of testing one's ability to receive a weak signal or to run up a score of something, with the contents being secondary. Michael What you're saying makes sense, and I myself would have said the same thing at one time. Surely, you'd think that commercial radio stations, whose very survival depends on their ability to attract and retain listeners, could offer up something more interesting to listen to than your typical conversation between hams. However, at least in my opinion, they do not. Where FM is concerned...forget about it. It's such a wasteland now that I sometimes forget it even exists. Commercial AM is better, but there's a lot of junk there, too. So many long infomercials about human growth hormone or whatever the latest variety of snake oil is, etc. I actually find that that the conversations I find by tuning around the ham bands at random are more interesting...even if it's just some guy talking about his antenna, or his house repairs, or whatever. At least it's real, and I can relate to it. Real people, real events and real problems are just more interesting to me than the programming dreamt up or purchased by the folks at commercial broadcasters. I actually think this was one of the initial appeals of "reality TV". The networks were producing so much garbage that someone realized they could get better programming just by turning a camera on somewhere and walking away. But of course, the temptation to improve upon "reality" is irresistible, I guess, and what now goes under the name "reality TV" is anything but real--shows like The Surreal Life and The Simple Life with Paris Hilton--these shows have zilch to do with "reality". Consequently, they stink. Okay...I'm done! Steve |
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