Same call sign in different areas?
 

Are the call letters KCBS the only example of their kind? KCBS is an
Infinity (CBS/Viacom) all newser on 740 kHz in San Francisco. KCB S-FM
(formerly KNX-FM) and KCBS-TV (formerly KNXT) are in Los Angeles.

By the way, KCBS in San Francisco is one of several stations (of which
the best known is now co-owned KDKA) which claims to be the first
broadcasting station in the U.S. Their claim has to do with Doc
Herrold's arc broadcasting experiments in San Jose in the years before
World War I.

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Same call sign in different areas?
 

Tester wrote:
Are the call letters KCBS the only example of their kind? KCBS is an
Infinity (CBS/Viacom) all newser on 740 kHz in San Francisco. KCB S-FM
(formerly KNX-FM) and KCBS-TV (formerly KNXT) are in Los Angeles.

No.

For example, KSAS-FM on 103.3 in the Boise, Idaho area while KSAS-TV is
in Wichita, Kansas. Or KTRS(AM) in St. Louis while KTRS-FM is in
Casper, Wyoming. I'm sure there are others.

I do think KCBS was the first, when the FCC decided to allow a given
company to reuse "base calls" on co-owned stations in different services
in different areas.

Later, the rules were amended to allow reuse by *any* station (even
those not commonly-owned) provided they had the consent of whoever held
the calls first.

Today, I'm not sure they even need consent - it may just be a matter of
"try it if you think you won't get sued"...

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Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Same call sign in different areas?
 

KDKA claims (and is able to back up that claim) that they were the
first COMMERCIAL broadcast stations.

Except that KDKA wasn't selling any commercials back in 1920. (there is
some evidence WJZ - now WABC - was the first station to sell airtime to
an outside advertiser, in 1926. Before then, the economic justification
for a broadcasting station was to advertise the licensee's own
products/services.)

Arguably KDKA was the first station to take out a license for the
specific purpose of broadcasting. (Doc Jerrold's KQW (now KCBS) made
its first broadcast at a time when no licenses were required at all.
Wisconsin's 9XM (now WHA) was licensed as an experimental station. Both
stations did eventaully take out broadcasting licenses, but not until
after KDKA and other stations had already done so.)

There is evidence that KDKA's well-publicized first broadcast (of
returns of the 1920 election) was not made under the KDKA license, since
that license was not issued in time. KDKA already had an experimental
license and likely used that license to make the election broadcast.

Really, who was first depends on definitions.

See http://earlyradiohistory.us/sec024.htm for more information.

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Same call sign in different areas?
 

Doug Smith W9WI ) writes:
KDKA claims (and is able to back up that claim) that they were the
first COMMERCIAL broadcast stations.

Except that KDKA wasn't selling any commercials back in 1920. (there is
some evidence WJZ - now WABC - was the first station to sell airtime to
an outside advertiser, in 1926. Before then, the economic justification
for a broadcasting station was to advertise the licensee's own
products/services.)

But to promote the owner's business is still commercial.

That was the early model. All kinds of radio stations owned by some
other business went on the air, and it was seen as advertising for the
business.

It's only later that a standalone model came about, where radio stations
were owned by third parties and simply sold advertising space in order
to support the station (and thus the business).

Michael

Same call sign in different areas?
 

In article ,
Tester wrote:
Are the call letters KCBS the only example of their kind? KCBS is an
Infinity (CBS/Viacom) all newser on 740 kHz in San Francisco. KCB S-FM
(formerly KNX-FM) and KCBS-TV (formerly KNXT) are in Los Angeles.

As I understand it, the actual callsigns are KCBS-AM, KCBS-TV, KCBS-FM.
Three distinct calls. That's how calls show up in the FCC liscence database.
(Perhaps, without the '-').

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

Same call sign in different areas?
 

"Tester" wrote in message
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Are the call letters KCBS the only example of their kind?
KCBS is an Infinity (CBS/Viacom) all newser on 740 kHz
KCB S-FM (formerly KNX-FM) and KCBS-TV (formerly KNXT) are in Los Angeles.

These are not the same call signs. The TV and FM endings are integral parts
of the callsign
According to the way the FCC looks at callsigns these are three separate
call signs.

KCBS is a four letter call sign
KCBSFM is a six letter callsign which happens to end in FM
KCBSTV is a six letter callsign which happens to end in TV.

WLW and WLWT, or WWV and WWVA, or WBT and WBTV are not the same callsigns,
even though each set contains the same first three letters and each station
is owned by a different owner.

Same call sign in different areas?
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"Dan" wrote in message
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"Tester" wrote in message
g...
Are the call letters KCBS the only example of their kind?
KCBS is an Infinity (CBS/Viacom) all newser on 740 kHz
KCB S-FM (formerly KNX-FM) and KCBS-TV (formerly KNXT) are in Los
Angeles.

These are not the same call signs. The TV and FM endings are integral
parts of the callsign
According to the way the FCC looks at callsigns these are three separate
call signs.

KCBS is a four letter call sign
KCBSFM is a six letter callsign which happens to end in FM
KCBSTV is a six letter callsign which happens to end in TV.

Bzzt! Sorry, but thanks for playing our game.

The correct answer is that there are no 6 letter calls in the US.

This is NOT correct. FCC Rules and Regulations specifically authorize 6
call signs for broadcasting

Please refer to FCC Rules and Regulations section 2.302 (callsigns)(page
632).

The Regulations state in part:

"Broadcasting (standard)......... 4 letters \3\ (plus location of station).
KAAA through KZZZ.


WAAA
through WZZZ.

Broadcasting (FM)............... 4 letters (plus location of station)..
KAAA through KZZZ.

WAAA
through WZZZ.

Broadcasting with suffix ``FM''. 6 letters \3\ (plus location of station).
KAAA-FM through KZZZ--FM.

WAAA-FM through WZZZ-FM.

Broadcasting (television)....... 4 letters (plus location of station)..
KAAA through KZZZ.

WAAA
through WZZZ.

Broadcasting with suffix ``TV''. 6 letters \3\ (plus location of station)
KAAA-TV through KZZZ-TV.

WAAA-TV through WZZ-TV.




When the stations with the KCBS call legally identify themselves, it is
done as "KCBS [COL]" Legal station ID's do not have the AM/FM/TV suffix,

again this is incorect, please refer to FCC Regulation 2.302

nor even the frequency/channel of operation. This is correct. Frequency is
not required in a valid staion ID, but location is

Stations KBPS (AM & FM) are co-located, but not co-owned (one is owned by
the KBPS Foundation, the other by Benson Polytechnic High School). Each
ID's only as "KBPS, Portland"

You'll receive a copy of our home game.

Same call sign in different areas?
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"Dan" wrote in message
...

"Tester" wrote in message
g...
Are the call letters KCBS the only example of their kind?
KCBS is an Infinity (CBS/Viacom) all newser on 740 kHz
KCB S-FM (formerly KNX-FM) and KCBS-TV (formerly KNXT) are in Los
Angeles.

These are not the same call signs. The TV and FM endings are integral
parts of the callsign
According to the way the FCC looks at callsigns these are three separate
call signs.

KCBS is a four letter call sign
KCBSFM is a six letter callsign which happens to end in FM
KCBSTV is a six letter callsign which happens to end in TV.

Bzzt! Sorry, but thanks for playing our game.

The correct answer is that there are no 6 letter calls in the US. When
the stations with the KCBS call legally identify themselves, it is done as
"KCBS [COL]" Legal station ID's do not have the AM/FM/TV suffix, nor even
the frequency/channel of operation.

Stations KBPS (AM & FM) are co-located, but not co-owned (one is owned by
the KBPS Foundation, the other by Benson Polytechnic High School). Each
ID's only as "KBPS, Portland"

There is only one station "KBPS". It is an AM station on 1450KHz.
It is owned by School District #1 of Multnomah County, Oregon.
The FM station is on 89.9MHZ its' call sign is "KBPS-FM".
If the station owned by the Foundation is identifying itself only as "KBPS",
they are not correctly identifying their station.

You may check the accuracy of this data by going to the FCC's General Menu
Reports at: HTTP://svartifass2.fcc.gov/reports/index.cfm
Click on callsigns and enter KBPS or KBPS-FM
SCHOOL DISTRICT #1, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, OR

SCHOOL DISTRICT #1, MULTNOMAH COUNTY, OR




You'll receive a copy of our home game.

Same call sign in different areas?
 

I sort of know a book editor lady at Oregon Magazine.Her Uncle is from
Vicksburg,Mississippi www.oregonmag.com Check out Peg's Bottom at
Oregon Magazine.
FLOL,,, Frikkin Laff Out Loud.
cuhulin

Same call sign in different areas?
 

In article ,
wrote:

I sort of know a book editor lady at Oregon Magazine.Her Uncle is from
Vicksburg,Mississippi www.oregonmag.com Check out Peg's Bottom at
Oregon Magazine.
FLOL,,, Frikkin Laff Out Loud.
cuhulin

That's pretty funny stuff!

GM