Geary Morton wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Some people are paying more for the Drake R8B used than it sold for
when new??? Do it's signal catching abilities improve with age and
use? It has apparently attained collectible status alongside other
notables like the Panasonic RF9000, Sony CRF330 and Zenith TO with
performance apparently a secondary issue.

Uh, I don't think performance is a secondary issue, rather it's the
primary issue. The 'performance' of an R8B is competitive if not
superior in some ways to anything currently being offered by anyone.

At those prices performance would have to be a secondary issue because
comparable reception performance could be gotten from several other
discontinued high-end receivers. And that is the price for a used
receiver not a new one.

I
don't know of any radio for the same (albeit inflated) price that offers
more, and there is certainly NO comparison between it and any of the
other radios you list, IMHO.

The radios including the Drake were listed mostly because collector
interest has pushed the price beyond anything that makes sense. Those
radios perform no better now than when new and indeed they are all
gradually aging.



Geary

I think the high prices for the R8B are a
bit excessive -- it's a great receiver, but
these days, with SW on the way out, there is
not much a R8B can do that a R8 or R8A cannot.


wrote:
Geary Morton wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:
Some people are paying more for the Drake R8B used than it sold for
when new??? Do it's signal catching abilities improve with age and
use? It has apparently attained collectible status alongside other
notables like the Panasonic RF9000, Sony CRF330 and Zenith TO with
performance apparently a secondary issue.
Uh, I don't think performance is a secondary issue, rather it's the
primary issue. The 'performance' of an R8B is competitive if not
superior in some ways to anything currently being offered by anyone.

At those prices performance would have to be a secondary issue because
comparable reception performance could be gotten from several other
discontinued high-end receivers. And that is the price for a used
receiver not a new one.

I
don't know of any radio for the same (albeit inflated) price that offers
more, and there is certainly NO comparison between it and any of the
other radios you list, IMHO.

The radios including the Drake were listed mostly because collector
interest has pushed the price beyond anything that makes sense. Those
radios perform no better now than when new and indeed they are all
gradually aging.


Geary

Dan Robinson wrote:
I think the high prices for the R8B are a
bit excessive -- it's a great receiver, but
these days, with SW on the way out, there is
not much a R8B can do that a R8 or R8A cannot.


wrote:
Geary Morton wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:
Some people are paying more for the Drake R8B used than it sold for
when new??? Do it's signal catching abilities improve with age and
use? It has apparently attained collectible status alongside other
notables like the Panasonic RF9000, Sony CRF330 and Zenith TO with
performance apparently a secondary issue.
Uh, I don't think performance is a secondary issue, rather it's the
primary issue. The 'performance' of an R8B is competitive if not
superior in some ways to anything currently being offered by anyone.

At those prices performance would have to be a secondary issue because
comparable reception performance could be gotten from several other
discontinued high-end receivers. And that is the price for a used
receiver not a new one.

I
don't know of any radio for the same (albeit inflated) price that offers
more, and there is certainly NO comparison between it and any of the
other radios you list, IMHO.

The radios including the Drake were listed mostly because collector
interest has pushed the price beyond anything that makes sense. Those
radios perform no better now than when new and indeed they are all
gradually aging.


Geary


The synch on the B rev sucks less than earlier models.

wrote:
Geary Morton wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:
Some people are paying more for the Drake R8B used than it sold for
when new??? Do it's signal catching abilities improve with age and
use? It has apparently attained collectible status alongside other
notables like the Panasonic RF9000, Sony CRF330 and Zenith TO with
performance apparently a secondary issue.
Uh, I don't think performance is a secondary issue, rather it's the
primary issue. The 'performance' of an R8B is competitive if not
superior in some ways to anything currently being offered by anyone.

At those prices performance would have to be a secondary issue because
comparable reception performance could be gotten from several other
discontinued high-end receivers. And that is the price for a used
receiver not a new one.

I
don't know of any radio for the same (albeit inflated) price that offers
more, and there is certainly NO comparison between it and any of the
other radios you list, IMHO.

The radios including the Drake were listed mostly because collector
interest has pushed the price beyond anything that makes sense. Those
radios perform no better now than when new and indeed they are all
gradually aging.


Geary


Dan Robinson wrote:
I think the high prices for the R8B are a
bit excessive -- it's a great receiver, but
these days, with SW on the way out, there is
not much a R8B can do that a R8 or R8A cannot.



Or high-end receivers from several other companies that bailed out of
the HF radio market before Drake did.

wrote:

wrote:
Geary Morton wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:
Some people are paying more for the Drake R8B used than it sold for
when new??? Do it's signal catching abilities improve with age and
use? It has apparently attained collectible status alongside other
notables like the Panasonic RF9000, Sony CRF330 and Zenith TO with
performance apparently a secondary issue.
Uh, I don't think performance is a secondary issue, rather it's the
primary issue. The 'performance' of an R8B is competitive if not
superior in some ways to anything currently being offered by anyone.

At those prices performance would have to be a secondary issue because
comparable reception performance could be gotten from several other
discontinued high-end receivers. And that is the price for a used
receiver not a new one.

I
don't know of any radio for the same (albeit inflated) price that offers
more, and there is certainly NO comparison between it and any of the
other radios you list, IMHO.

The radios including the Drake were listed mostly because collector
interest has pushed the price beyond anything that makes sense. Those
radios perform no better now than when new and indeed they are all
gradually aging.


Geary


Dan Robinson wrote:
I think the high prices for the R8B are a
bit excessive -- it's a great receiver, but
these days, with SW on the way out, there is
not much a R8B can do that a R8 or R8A cannot.



Or high-end receivers from several other companies that bailed out of
the HF radio market before Drake did.

Gawd... you're more of a damn whiner than Maghakian is.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

HJS - The Collector has one thought : GOT TO HAVE IT !

IMHO - What you see on eBay with the Drake R8B
are "Market Forces" setting the Price for a Limited
Quantity of an Highly Valued Item 'For Sale" at Auction.
Plus - Perceived High Quality of the Item.
Plus - Excellent Performance of the Item.
Plus - Very Few Items / Discontinued / Not Being Made Anymore.
Plus - Small Number of 'Very Interested' Buyers.
eBay Auction = World Wide "Open {Competitive} Market".

basic economics 101- yes it is that simple ~ RHF

That says it all: "The Collector has one thought : GOT TO HAVE IT !"
Collectors and users have different price ceilings.

Although the high bidder will say otherwise, performance isn't the real
reason someone would pay a premium for such a radio because more
reasonably alternatives are available that will catch the same
stations. Bragging rights that come from chasing and paying a premium
for something "rare" figures big in the equation.



RHF wrote:
HJS - The Collector has one thought : GOT TO HAVE IT !

IMHO - What you see on eBay with the Drake R8B
are "Market Forces" setting the Price for a Limited
Quantity of an Highly Valued Item 'For Sale" at Auction.
Plus - Perceived High Quality of the Item.
Plus - Excellent Performance of the Item.
Plus - Very Few Items / Discontinued / Not Being Made Anymore.
Plus - Small Number of 'Very Interested' Buyers.
eBay Auction = World Wide "Open {Competitive} Market".

basic economics 101- yes it is that simple ~ RHF
.
.
. .

On Nov 29, 7:17 am, wrote:
Geary Morton wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Some people are paying more for the Drake R8B used than it sold for
when new??? Do it's signal catching abilities improve with age and
use? It has apparently attained collectible status alongside other
notables like the Panasonic RF9000, Sony CRF330 and Zenith TO with
performance apparently a secondary issue.

Uh, I don't think performance is a secondary issue, rather it's the
primary issue. The 'performance' of an R8B is competitive if not
superior in some ways to anything currently being offered by anyone.At those prices performance would have to be a secondary issue because
comparable reception performance could be gotten from several other
discontinued high-end receivers. And that is the price for a used
receiver not a new one.

I
don't know of any radio for the same (albeit inflated) price that offers
more, and there is certainly NO comparison between it and any of the
other radios you list, IMHO.The radios including the Drake were listed mostly because collector
interest has pushed the price beyond anything that makes sense. Those
radios perform no better now than when new and indeed they are all
gradually aging.





Geary- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Over there in Japan,(those rich Japanese people,ya know) a lot of
American name brand thingys (such as Harley Davidson Motorcycles,made in
Milwaukee,Wisconsin.There is also a new Harley Davidson factory in
China) are Icons and that is what those rich Japanese people go for.
cuhulin

wrote in message
ups.com...
That says it all: "The Collector has one thought : GOT TO HAVE IT !"
Collectors and users have different price ceilings.

Although the high bidder will say otherwise, performance isn't the real
reason someone would pay a premium for such a radio because more
reasonably alternatives are available that will catch the same
stations. Bragging rights that come from chasing and paying a premium
for something "rare" figures big in the equation.

There is no receiver priced below the cost of an R8B that "gets the same
stations." In severe DX situations, the R4B will beat anything in or below
its price range.

David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
That says it all: "The Collector has one thought : GOT TO HAVE IT !"
Collectors and users have different price ceilings.

Although the high bidder will say otherwise, performance isn't the real
reason someone would pay a premium for such a radio because more
reasonably alternatives are available that will catch the same
stations. Bragging rights that come from chasing and paying a premium
for something "rare" figures big in the equation.

There is no receiver priced below the cost of an R8B that "gets the same
stations." In severe DX situations, the R4B will beat anything in or below
its price range.

At the $1600 price for a used R8B, there are better choices.
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...rxvr/3396.html for instance,
though the cost of extra filters might make it go above $1600.