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Perhaps I may interest you with an analog scanner?
How about an analog Sony Trinitron TV?
I'll throw in a analog satellite TV receiver to go along with it? Or
perhaps you would prefer a morse code straight key?

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The FCC will never allow IBOC at night - there are too many
interference problems



How can that be when 1/100th of the power transmitted is IBOC and it

only
has a 60% coverage area?
Are you Al Gore's brother?

When analog disapears, and it will, your analog radio will be a museum

peice
and your so called interference will be solved.


Keep dreaming - the Bridge Ratings have analog out to the middle of the
century. What's you gonna do - turn off analog, and with no one buying
HD radios, have no one listening ! lol



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My new Sony 27 inch CRT flat screen Trinitron Wega tv set has an analog
tuner and a digital tuner.It gets the best picture of any tv sets I have
ever owned before.I am thinking about buying a DVD player/recorder for
my tv set.
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David Eduardo wrote:
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They don't allow HD on AM after sunset.. That should help


They will, eventually. The real issue is that nearly nobody listens to AM at
night, anyway.


IBOC will never be approved for nighttime AM. Many people listen to
nighttime AM, because talk shows are highly rated.

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David Eduardo wrote:
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They don't allow HD on AM after sunset.. That should help


They will, eventually. The real issue is that nearly nobody listens to AM
at
night, anyway.


IBOC will never be approved for nighttime AM. Many people listen to
nighttime AM, because talk shows are highly rated.


No, they are not "highly rated" if at night. AM audience at night is a lower
percentage of total radio audience than in the daytime. The total radio
rating at night (7 to Midnight) is around a 7 (7% of the universe) and AM is
only a couple of percent. Talk is not a majority format.


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Talk Radio is an extremly big format,both at day time and night time.
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David Eduardo wrote:
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve Stone" wrote in message
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They don't allow HD on AM after sunset.. That should help

They will, eventually. The real issue is that nearly nobody listens to AM
at
night, anyway.


IBOC will never be approved for nighttime AM. Many people listen to
nighttime AM, because talk shows are highly rated.


No, they are not "highly rated" if at night. AM audience at night is a lower
percentage of total radio audience than in the daytime. The total radio
rating at night (7 to Midnight) is around a 7 (7% of the universe) and AM is
only a couple of percent. Talk is not a majority format.


Yes, I just read about it on the Internet - if nighttime AM was so
unsuccessful, then why are stations running broadcasting at night. You
are so full of ****, and IBOC will fail - go play with your red laced
panties.

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David Eduardo wrote:
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Steve Stone" wrote in message
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They don't allow HD on AM after sunset.. That should help

They will, eventually. The real issue is that nearly nobody listens to
AM
at
night, anyway.

IBOC will never be approved for nighttime AM. Many people listen to
nighttime AM, because talk shows are highly rated.


No, they are not "highly rated" if at night. AM audience at night is a
lower
percentage of total radio audience than in the daytime. The total radio
rating at night (7 to Midnight) is around a 7 (7% of the universe) and AM
is
only a couple of percent. Talk is not a majority format.


Yes, I just read about it on the Internet - if nighttime AM was so
unsuccessful, then why are stations running broadcasting at night. You
are so full of ****, and IBOC will fail - go play with your red laced
panties.


I am NOT saying that there is no listening at night... just that it is
vastly below the levels of daytime radio in the 6 AM to 7 PM time period.
Night listening for AM and FM (all radio) is about 25% of the daytime level.
For AM, it is about 20% of the daytime level.

Still, there is listening, and it is worth staying on the air. More to the
point, there is nearly no listening between midnight and 5 AM, but (aside
from the original technical reason for operating 24/7), being on does
deliver a few listeners to the all important morning daypart where a huge
percentage of revenues are derived.

Most stations, unless they have play by play or something of its ilk, do not
get revenue from late evenings and overnights... but they use it to give
bonus spots to advertisers to lower the cost per point and to get on ad
buys.


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David Eduardo wrote:


I am NOT saying that there is no listening at night... just that it is
vastly below the levels of daytime radio in the 6 AM to 7 PM time period.
Night listening for AM and FM (all radio) is about 25% of the daytime
level.
For AM, it is about 20% of the daytime level.

Still, there is listening, and it is worth staying on the air. More to
the
point, there is nearly no listening between midnight and 5 AM, but (aside
from the original technical reason for operating 24/7), being on does
deliver a few listeners to the all important morning daypart where a huge
percentage of revenues are derived.

Most stations, unless they have play by play or something of its ilk, do
not
get revenue from late evenings and overnights... but they use it to give
bonus spots to advertisers to lower the cost per point and to get on ad
buys.


I'm sure, you would like to have nighttime AM shut off, or IBOC
approved for nighttime AM, just to get rid of the MW DX'ers. Looks
like you changed your tune a bit.


AM will shut itself off in due time, as news/talk, the principal format,
migrates to FM as it has in many markets just this year.

The problems of AM are multiple:

1. Increasing interference form thing ranging from BPL to noisy LED
stoplight switches, reducing coverage.
2. Migration of main format to FM
3. Lack of use of AM by under-55's, where nearly 100% of radio ad sales are
directed.
4. Unawareness of AM by under-35's, who have no use for it and do not
listen.
5. Advertisers with "No AM" dictates
6. Lack of full coverage signals in most markets. Few markets have more than
one or two AMs that cover fully day and night.

HD is not going to help AM much, although it could create an opportunity for
niche music formats over time. Even that is doubtful. HD probably will be
approved for night use, as there is so little listening to AMs outside their
groundwave interference free contours and nothing would be lost.


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"David Eduardo" wrote:

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David Eduardo wrote:


I am NOT saying that there is no listening at night... just that
it is vastly below the levels of daytime radio in the 6 AM to 7 PM
time period. Night listening for AM and FM (all radio) is about
25% of the daytime level. For AM, it is about 20% of the daytime
level.

Still, there is listening, and it is worth staying on the air.
More to the point, there is nearly no listening between midnight
and 5 AM, but (aside from the original technical reason for
operating 24/7), being on does deliver a few listeners to the all
important morning daypart where a huge percentage of revenues are
derived.

Most stations, unless they have play by play or something of its
ilk, do not get revenue from late evenings and overnights... but
they use it to give bonus spots to advertisers to lower the cost
per point and to get on ad buys.


I'm sure, you would like to have nighttime AM shut off, or IBOC
approved for nighttime AM, just to get rid of the MW DX'ers. Looks
like you changed your tune a bit.


AM will shut itself off in due time, as news/talk, the principal
format, migrates to FM as it has in many markets just this year.

The problems of AM are multiple:

1. Increasing interference form thing ranging from BPL to noisy LED
stoplight switches, reducing coverage. 2. Migration of main format to
FM 3. Lack of use of AM by under-55's, where nearly 100% of radio ad
sales are directed. 4. Unawareness of AM by under-35's, who have no
use for it and do not listen. 5. Advertisers with "No AM" dictates 6.
Lack of full coverage signals in most markets. Few markets have more
than one or two AMs that cover fully day and night.

HD is not going to help AM much, although it could create an
opportunity for niche music formats over time. Even that is doubtful.
HD probably will be approved for night use, as there is so little
listening to AMs outside their groundwave interference free contours
and nothing would be lost.


I listen to out of the area AM stations all the time and I'm not Dx'ing
as a hobby but listening to the programs so a lot will be lost for me
and many other people that do the same.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California
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David Eduardo wrote:
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David Eduardo wrote:


I am NOT saying that there is no listening at night... just that it is
vastly below the levels of daytime radio in the 6 AM to 7 PM time period.
Night listening for AM and FM (all radio) is about 25% of the daytime
level.
For AM, it is about 20% of the daytime level.

Still, there is listening, and it is worth staying on the air. More to
the
point, there is nearly no listening between midnight and 5 AM, but (aside
from the original technical reason for operating 24/7), being on does
deliver a few listeners to the all important morning daypart where a huge
percentage of revenues are derived.

Most stations, unless they have play by play or something of its ilk, do
not
get revenue from late evenings and overnights... but they use it to give
bonus spots to advertisers to lower the cost per point and to get on ad
buys.


I'm sure, you would like to have nighttime AM shut off, or IBOC
approved for nighttime AM, just to get rid of the MW DX'ers. Looks
like you changed your tune a bit.


AM will shut itself off in due time, as news/talk, the principal format,
migrates to FM as it has in many markets just this year.

The problems of AM are multiple:

1. Increasing interference form thing ranging from BPL to noisy LED
stoplight switches, reducing coverage.
2. Migration of main format to FM
3. Lack of use of AM by under-55's, where nearly 100% of radio ad sales are
directed.
4. Unawareness of AM by under-35's, who have no use for it and do not
listen.
5. Advertisers with "No AM" dictates
6. Lack of full coverage signals in most markets. Few markets have more than
one or two AMs that cover fully day and night.

HD is not going to help AM much, although it could create an opportunity for
niche music formats over time. Even that is doubtful. HD probably will be
approved for night use, as there is so little listening to AMs outside their
groundwave interference free contours and nothing would be lost.


Due to skywave propagation, AM IBOC still interferes with protected
contours; there is no way, the FCC can approve IBOC for n ighttime AM.
HD RAdio/IBOC does not work well on AM, so keep dreaming - we will be
around for many years. DAB has failed in Canada and IBOC will fail in
the US.

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