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There was no such thing as ''Time'' before the Universe existed.

Well, there was no such thing as *anything* before the Universe existed.
No space, no time, nothing.

The Universe will come to an end and after that,there will still be no
such
thing as ''Time''.

When the Universe ends there will be no such thing as *anything*.

''Time'' has no meaning whatsoever in the big grand scheme of whatever.

Very little has meaning in the big grand scheme of whatever.

Mike

Mike wrote:
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Well, there was no such thing as *anything* before the Universe existed.
No space, no time, nothing.


Mike


Untrue, you would need "time" to make the universe. Without it, you
could NOT make the universe--you simply would not have the time!

JS

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
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Well, there was no such thing as *anything* before the Universe existed.
No space, no time, nothing.


Mike


Untrue, you would need "time" to make the universe. Without it, you could
NOT make the universe--you simply would not have the time!

Well, you would have no space for it, either! Without space, you could
NOT make the Universe--you simply would not have the space!

If time existed before the Big Bang, then space existed also. You can't
have one without the other.

Our SpaceTime started at the Big Bang. What existed before is pretty much
irrelevant, sort of like How Many Angels Can Dance On The Head Of A Pin.

Mike

Mike wrote:
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Well, you would have no space for it, either! Without space, you
could NOT make the Universe--you simply would not have the space!

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Mike


You, yourself, claim there is NO ether, that space is truly nothing ...

Yet, now you say there would be no space for such in NOTHING? scratch
head here

The ether appears to permeate everything and every form of matter. It
appears there is so much "room" between our atomic and sub-atomic
particles that ether flows through it as wind does a screen. Matter fit
quite nicely, simply displacing a portion of the ether (perhaps a minor
compression?)

But, this is only a "theory", much like the "generally accepted theory."
While in high school physics we learn "truths", in the real physics
world we realize we lack many answers ...

A few universities still research, construct and do experiments in
regards to the ether ... some admit we still cannot prove that the ether
is non-existent, and if found to exist, realize we will once again
rewrite what we know, a task already done many times.

JS

Mike wrote:
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Mike


Let's cut the BS and sharpen Occam's Razor a bit.

A train whistle will increase in pitch (frequency) as the train comes
towards you, and decrease in pitch as the train travels away from you.

If you mount a laser on a space vehicle capable of thousands of miles
per hour, the same doppler effect can be see. The light will switch
frequencies when viewed approaching as when seen receding.

Liken the train whistle to air, as the laser to ether. Sound cannot
propagate in atmosphere faster than a set limit. Light cannot traverse
the ether for the same reason. The change in tone is due to
"compression" of the audio frequencies due to the increase/decrease in
train motion as opposed to the limit of sounds speed in the atmosphere.
Same for the laser, the light frequencies are "compressed" due to motion.

Now, I am sure much more complex explanations can be constructed ...

JS

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
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Well, you would have no space for it, either! Without space, you could
NOT make the Universe--you simply would not have the space!

... Mike


You, yourself, claim there is NO ether, that space is truly nothing ...

I never said that "space is truly nothing". There are lots of things in
space, things that we can detect. I just don't believe in things that we
can't detect - like "ether". If "ether" is ever detected and proven, then
I will acccept it. To accept something which can not be detected sounds
like religion to me.

Yet, now you say there would be no space for such in NOTHING? scratch
head here

If you truly had nothing, then there would be no space. But if you have
space, you have something. And if you have space, you also have time.

Mike

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
... Mike


Let's cut the BS and sharpen Occam's Razor a bit.

A train whistle will increase in pitch (frequency) as the train comes
towards you, and decrease in pitch as the train travels away from you.

The sound waves will also be coming at you faster as the train comes toward
you, and slower as the train travels away from you.

If you mount a laser on a space vehicle capable of thousands of miles per
hour, the same doppler effect can be see. The light will switch
frequencies when viewed approaching as when seen receding.

Light however, is unaffected by the motion of the transmitter or the
receiver. It is always exactly c.

Again, light is not a mechanical wave. It is particles with some wave-like
properties.

Mike

Mike wrote:
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The sound waves will also be coming at you faster as the train comes
toward you, and slower as the train travels away from you.
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No. The speed of sound, in the atmosphere, is fixed, it cannot be exceeded.

What is happening is that the horn is emitting a frequency, just for
example, say 2000HZ. But, the speed of the train is moving the horn
forward at some speed, what this is causing is a "shortening" of the
sound wave being emitted by the horn--while the tone is leaving the horn
at the speed of sound, the next instant of that tone wave is being
"jammed" at the beginning of the tone wave, and at the speed which the
train is traveling--this is effectively "shortening" the length of the
sound wave and raising the perceived frequency of the tone.

Or, in other words, if the train is going the speed of sound, it will
reach you at the same time the sound its horn is emitting will. This is
why you see some aircraft pass over before you hear their sound (sonic
shock wave)

Now, throw a rock from the train and (rock speed + throw speed = total
speed)--but, depending on train speed vs. wind friction--this speed will
decline quickly. Indeed, at some speed, wind friction will make it
impossible for you to throw the rock!

JS

There is a Railroad Track one and a half miles North of me.I can hear
very distinctly when those Trains are moving along.Sometimes,it's like
those Trains are just down the block from me.Luverly sound waves.
cuhulin

You need to get a physics book. Start at the high school level and try to
work your way up.

--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html

"John Smith" wrote in message
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Brian Denley wrote:
But it was their work that provided the stimulus for Lorentz and
Einstein.


In the past, germs were not accepted, the world was believed to be flat,
radio was thought to be impossible, the laser (buck rogers ray gun) was
thought a toy, etc., etc., etc.

The fact that equations need to involve time (time does not really exist)
or the "imaginary" number 377 ohms to describe the "impedance" of the
ether proves there is a yet undiscovered "matter."

For now, ether serves as well as any other term ...

Get a clue.

JS