Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/business/02bulb.html

The Energy Challenge
Power-Sipping Bulbs Get Backing From Wal-Mart

While it sounds like a promising idea, it turns out that the
long-lasting, swirl-shaped light bulbs known as compact fluorescent
lamps are to the nation’s energy problem what vegetables are to its
obesity epidemic: a near perfect answer, if only Americans could be
persuaded to swallow them.

But now Wal-Mart Stores, the giant discount retailer, is determined to
push them into at least 100 million homes. And its ambitions extend
even further, spurred by a sweeping commitment from its chief
executive, H. Lee Scott Jr., to reduce energy use across the country,
a move that could also improve Wal-Mart’s appeal to the more affluent
consumers the chain must win over to keep growing in the United
States.

“The environment,” Mr. Scott said, “is begging for the Wal-Mart
business model.”

It is the environmental movement’s dream: America’s biggest company,
legendary for its salesmanship and influence with suppliers,
encouraging 200 million shoppers to save energy.

For all its power in retailing, though, Wal-Mart is meeting plenty of
resistance — from light-bulb makers, competitors and consumers. To
help turn the tide, it is even reaching out to unlikely partners like
Google, Home Depot and Hollywood.
[...]


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Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

Tester wrote:
Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/business/02bulb.html

The Energy Challenge
Power-Sipping Bulbs Get Backing From Wal-Mart

What I would much rather see, for reasons related to both astronomy and
radio, would be for people to stop turning on so many lights when they
aren't necessary anyway, and otherwise use them intelligently. There
is absolutely no need to drown either the inside or outside of one's
house with light the way some folks do. There is little evidence that
outdoor lighting prevents crime, and considerable evidence that bad
lighting can aid crime, cause dangerous glare and loss of night vision,
screw up the environment and, of course, also foul up radio
communication.

Bruce Jensen

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

Tester schrieb:

Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.

They are still relatively harmless compared to other sources though -
move away some 2 meters or so, and their effect is largely gone
(certainly when using a magnetic antenna). My parents' plasma TV
radiates quite heavily, not like the previous CRT would have been much
better - enough to make 20m unusable in any case, and that in quite a
distance. My network equipment (particularly switches) isn't that
well-behaved either, while the computer itself doesn't emit that much
actually. Thankfully dimmers have never been an issue.

BTW, we haven't been using large incandescent lightbulbs for years,
except for door lighting where they still make sense as no warmup is
needed and operating time is generally small. Otherwise a 20 watt
compact fluorescent gives a decent brightness here. Oh, and flicker
these things do not, but my cheapo desk lamp with a 20 watt conventional
fluorescent and apparently a primitive starter does (which annoys both
me and the camera's autofocus). As someone with lousy vision I'm usually
not opposed to a bit more light, which with conventional lightbulbs
could quickly mean wasting hundreds of watts just on lighting, and
that's a bit much. (Even my computer barely tops 100W, monitor
included.)

Something that does not seem to be present yet are compact fluorescents
with high CRI (color rending index), meaning a more uniform coverage of
the visible spectrum. Quite a pity.

Stephan
--
Home: http://stephan.win31.de/
Bytes are generally harmless - unless taken to bits.

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

bpnjensen wrote:
Tester wrote:
Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/business/02bulb.html

The Energy Challenge
Power-Sipping Bulbs Get Backing From Wal-Mart

"""''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''
These compact fluorescent bulbs are not all bad. They use about 25% of
the current required to light an incandescent bulb and give a soft
white light wih no flicker. The main problem seems to be with the
ballasts. With about 20 fluorescent bulbs of various sizes in the house
we have had 5 blow their ballasts. Sometimes the light would just go
out, other times they emitted a particularly noxious smoke that
lingered for days. I have got to the point where I keep the sales slip
as they claim 8000 hours (Sylvania) and some have failed at 100 hrs. I
don't leave any lights on when I leave the house unless they are
incandescent.
Some of them, when new, emit terrific RF noise, while others from
the same pack are absolutely quiet. In spite of this I will continue
using them, but I have to test each one for RF noise before I put it in
place. The ballasts seem to give a warning of failure by stinking and I
have not had any burst into flame.
I don't think I am saving much money because the replacements are
expensive, but I keep hoping the manufacturers will solve their quality
control problems.

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

On Jan 2, 10:39 am, "bpnjensen" wrote:
Tester wrote:
Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/business/02bulb.html

The Energy Challenge
Power-Sipping Bulbs Get Backing From Wal-MartWhat I would much rather see, for reasons related to both astronomy and
radio, would be for people to stop turning on so many lights when they
aren't necessary anyway, and otherwise use them intelligently. There
is absolutely no need to drown either the inside or outside of one's
house with light the way some folks do. There is little evidence that
outdoor lighting prevents crime, and considerable evidence that bad
lighting can aid crime, cause dangerous glare and loss of night vision,
screw up the environment and, of course, also foul up radio
communication.

Bruce Jensen

BpnJ - I will Light a Candle for You ~ ;-) - mc&hny ~ RHF

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name ofenviron...
 

I bought something for five dollars at the Goodwill store this
afternoon.It has a circular flouresecent light and a magnafying glass
lens.The light and lens assembly/unit are mounted on an ajustable arm
which is mounted to another adjustable arm for setting the light/lens
assembly at a convenient height,the whole thing is mounted on a stand
similar to a floor lamp.Actually,it is the second such lamp I have
bought at the Goodwill over the years.The first one I gave to my sister
for her sewing room.
cuhulin

(OT) : Walmart Promoting Compact Fluorescent Lamp (CFL) Bulbs In The Name Of Environmentalism -Yes- It Is Better To Light One CFL Blub - Then To Curse WalMart
 

tester, Tester. TESTER !

(OT) : Walmart Promoting Compact Fluorescent Lamp (CFL) Bulbs
- - - In The Name Of Environmentalism

It Is Better To Light One CFL Blub - Then To Curse WalMart. ~ RHF
{ibid}

READ - The "CFL" Good For The Planet
- - - Maybe Bad For Shortwave Listening (SWL) Radio Reception
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...9e2d5d741cc67e

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...a9522a4d8db568

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...2cc41080a10f60

- - - More about Compact Fluorescent Lighting (CFL) and
the Power Smart Compact Fluorescent Lighting Program
http://www.eartheasy.com/live_energyeff_lighting.htm
* CFLs a Bright Way to Save Time, Energy and Money !
http://medfordcan.home.comcast.net/Myths.html
* Energy Star - Look for the ENERGY STAR Symbol
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=cfls.pr_cfls
* Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
-about- Compact Fluorescent Lighting (CFL)
http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_li...aq_compact.htm
* Are Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs (CFL)
CFLs a Bright Way to Save Money ?
http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com...escent_faq.htm

WIKIPEDIA - Compact Fluorescent Lamp (CFL)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp
-or- Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulb
-aka- Energy Saving Light Bulb


SO -IF- WALMART'S FOR IT - IT'S A BAD THING ! ? ! ? ! ?

Hence - Energy Conservation {Saving Watts} Is Bad.
- - - Cause Walmart's For It !
-aka- "Anti-Big-Business-Liberal-Thinking"

Hence - Reduced Foreign Oil Consumtion {Electric Power Plants} Is Bad.
- - - Cause Walmart's For It !
-aka- "Anti-Big-Business-Liberal-Thinking"

Hence - Reduced World-Wide Pollution {Fossil Fuel Usage} Is Bad.
- - - Cause Walmart's For It !
-aka- "Anti-Big-Business-Liberal-Thinking"

Hence - Better Quailty of Home Lighting {Natual Full Spectrum} Is Bad.
- - - Casue Walmart's For It !
-aka- "Anti-Big-Business-Liberal-Thinking"


How Many Lightbulbs Does it Take to Change the World ?
http://www.gadgetopia.com/post/5498
The Answer is simple "One" (1) .
We tend to slam Wal-Mart when we think they're evil,
so we should probably pat them on the back when they
do something good. And this is very good,
- - - Because Incandescent Light Bulbs are Pure Evil ! {Remember}

Wal-Mart Aims To Sell 100 Million Compact Fluorescents In One Year
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006...rt_to_sell.php
- - - Can the Tree-Huggers be wrong ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Wal-Mart's Bright Idea - The from "The Motley Fool"
http://www.fool.com/investing/value/...ight-idea.aspx


What WalMart says about the Environment {Good Business}
http://walmartstores.com/GlobalWMSto...te.do?catg=217
* Focusing on the Environment is key to WalMarts Mission
to Improve the Quality of Life for People around the World.
* Corporate Environmental Leadership is Critical to Walmart's
Future Ability to Grow and Thrive as a Company.

SHORTWAVE - Getting back to Shortwave :
What does the BBC have to say about the Compact Fluorescent
Light (CFL) Bulb - BBC Science and Nature - "The Green Room"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4667354.stm
A Series of Thought-Provoking Environmental Opinion pieces.

The Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulb
http://www.visionengineer.com/env/en...ving_bulbs.php
gets the "European Eco-Label" eco, Eco. ECO !

Why even the Environmental Defense Org {Fund] wants to
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/...2&campaign=mts
help you "Find an Energy-Saving Light Bulb"
EDF [Org] = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Defense


As for me - I say :
"What's Good For General BullMoose - Is Good For The USA !"
[ In Lil Abner speak = http://www.lil-abner.com/other.html ]
- - - Today we can all say :
"What's Good For WalMart - Is Good For The USA !"


this is 'rhf' and yes i said it ~ RHF

(OT) : Walmart Promoting Compact Fluorescent Lamp (CFL) BulbsI...
 

But,but,but,and this is a big BUT,,,, in the good old summertime,will
the bugs be attracted to those new fangled light bulbs like they are to
the good old fashioned incadescent light bulbs? To heck with those new
fangled light bulbs,give me the good old fashioned incadescent light
bulbs any day/night! I don't care how many watts I waste,I pay for the
watts I use,they are my watts.Who would I be saving those new fangled
watts in new fangled light bulbs for anyway?
cuhulin,the big time wattage waster

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

On Jan 2, 6:14 pm, "homepc" wrote:
-
- What I find disturbing, is that the consumer is seldom warned
- about the mercury inside the bulb, and when the bulb burns out,
- they just throw it away in the regular trash.
-

Home PC,

What is Mercury (HG) ?
What are the sources of Mercury emissions ?
What are the Risks ?
http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_li...aq_compact.htm
CFLs present an opportunity to prevent Mercury emissions from entering
the Environment because they Help-to-Reduce Emissions from Coal-Fired
Power Plants. A Coal-Fired Power Plant will emit 13.6 milligrams of
Mercury to produce Electricity required to use an Incandescent Light
Bulb, compared to 3.3 milligrams for a CFL with the same light output.
EPA Mercury News & Info = http://www.epa.gov/mercury/

mercury the messager and the message is cfl ~ RHF

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

RH - Good Logical Ideas -and- Practical Too ~ RHF

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

On 3 Jan 2007 01:19:42 -0800, "RHF"
wrote:

CFLs present an opportunity to prevent Mercury emissions from entering
the Environment because they Help-to-Reduce Emissions from Coal-Fired
Power Plants. A Coal-Fired Power Plant will emit 13.6 milligrams of
Mercury to produce Electricity required to use an Incandescent Light
Bulb, compared to 3.3 milligrams for a CFL with the same light output.
EPA Mercury News & Info = http://www.epa.gov/mercury/

mercury the messager and the message is cfl ~ RHF
Coal fired plants not only emit mercury; they also spew more
radioactive waste than nuclear plants.

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

Tester wrote:
Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.

I bought my first CFL a few weeks after I bought this house in 1994.
The bulb in the basement stairwell burned out, and it was such a pain to
change I decided I wanted something that would take awhile to burn out.

Had to replace it last week. (yes, that's **twelve years** service!)

Since then, as each bulb has burned out, I've replaced it with a CFL.
Can't say I've had significant noise trouble. Sure wish I could say the
same for my computers!

It's hard to get past the price differential, but if you can, you'll
like 'em...

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

Important Note: Handling and Disposal of CFL's

Compact fluorescent bulbs contain small amounts of mercury. The mercury
poses no threat while in the bulb, but if you break one be careful not to
inhale the mercury - immediately use a wet rag to clean it up and put all of
the pieces, and the rag, into a plastic bag.

Although household CFL bulbs may legally be disposed of with regular trash
(in the US), they are categorized as household hazardous waste. As long as
the waste is sent to a modern municipal landfill, the hazard to the
environment is limited. However, CFL's should not be sent to an incinerator,
which would disperse the mercury into the atmosphere.

The best solution is to save spent CFL's for a community household hazardous
waste collection, which would then send the bulbs to facilities capable of
treating, recovering or recycling them. For more information on CFL disposal
or recycling, you can contact your local municipality.

Although CFL's have these handling and disposal issues, the large energy
savings of CFL bulbs compared to incandescents is of greater overall
environmental benefit.

http://www.eartheasy.com/live_energyeff_lighting.htm





"RHF" wrote in message
oups.com...


On Jan 2, 6:14 pm, "homepc" wrote:
-
- What I find disturbing, is that the consumer is seldom warned
- about the mercury inside the bulb, and when the bulb burns out,
- they just throw it away in the regular trash.
-

Home PC,

What is Mercury (HG) ?
What are the sources of Mercury emissions ?
What are the Risks ?
http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_li...aq_compact.htm
CFLs present an opportunity to prevent Mercury emissions from entering
the Environment because they Help-to-Reduce Emissions from Coal-Fired
Power Plants. A Coal-Fired Power Plant will emit 13.6 milligrams of
Mercury to produce Electricity required to use an Incandescent Light
Bulb, compared to 3.3 milligrams for a CFL with the same light output.
EPA Mercury News & Info = http://www.epa.gov/mercury/

mercury the messager and the message is cfl ~ RHF
.
.
. .


Before I bought my compact fluorescent bulbs, I made sure I knew where I
could dispose of them safely when they were spent. As it turns out,
Canadian Tire, where I bought my bulbs, also offered to recycle them. I
wonder if Wal-Mart would follow suit.

Most of the foreign made junk ( electronics in particular ) that Wal-Mart
peddles, fill up our land fill sites with toxic time bombs faster than we
realize.

"Tester" wrote in
messagenews:i46lp294dngdeajlp6usr8av1kuud11k7v@ent ropy.org...



Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/business/02bulb.html

The Energy Challenge
Power-Sipping Bulbs Get Backing From Wal-Mart

While it sounds like a promising idea, it turns out that the
long-lasting, swirl-shaped light bulbs known as compact fluorescent
lamps are to the nation's energy problem what vegetables are to its
obesity epidemic: a near perfect answer, if only Americans could be
persuaded to swallow them.

But now Wal-Mart Stores, the giant discount retailer, is determined to
push them into at least 100 million homes. And its ambitions extend
even further, spurred by a sweeping commitment from its chief
executive, H. Lee Scott Jr., to reduce energy use across the country,
a move that could also improve Wal-Mart's appeal to the more affluent
consumers the chain must win over to keep growing in the United
States.

"The environment," Mr. Scott said, "is begging for the Wal-Mart
business model."

It is the environmental movement's dream: America's biggest company,
legendary for its salesmanship and influence with suppliers,
encouraging 200 million shoppers to save energy.

For all its power in retailing, though, Wal-Mart is meeting plenty of
resistance - from light-bulb makers, competitors and consumers. To
help turn the tide, it is even reaching out to unlikely partners like
Google, Home Depot and Hollywood.
[...]

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mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

Tester wrote:

While it sounds like a promising idea, it turns out that the
long-lasting, swirl-shaped light bulbs known as compact fluorescent
lamps are to the nation's energy problem what vegetables are to its
obesity epidemic: a near perfect answer, if only Americans could be
persuaded to swallow them.

Don't forget that EVERY one of those CF's contain
one drop of MERCURY.

(yes....that Mercury, known as element HG)

So much for enviornmental care when these things
start to end up in the waste stream !!!

HA !!!!!!!

mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

We should all revert back to using candles.But not candles made from
politicians,they would stink up the place too much.
cuhulin

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

In article ,
Doug Smith W9WI wrote:

Tester wrote:
Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.

I bought my first CFL a few weeks after I bought this house in 1994.
The bulb in the basement stairwell burned out, and it was such a pain to
change I decided I wanted something that would take awhile to burn out.

Had to replace it last week. (yes, that's **twelve years** service!)

Since then, as each bulb has burned out, I've replaced it with a CFL.
Can't say I've had significant noise trouble. Sure wish I could say the
same for my computers!

It's hard to get past the price differential, but if you can, you'll
like 'em...

I don't think we are talking about the same bulbs. These cheap units
won't last that long. Maybe two years max.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:46:30 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
Doug Smith W9WI wrote:

Tester wrote:
Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.

I bought my first CFL a few weeks after I bought this house in 1994.
The bulb in the basement stairwell burned out, and it was such a pain to
change I decided I wanted something that would take awhile to burn out.

Had to replace it last week. (yes, that's **twelve years** service!)

Since then, as each bulb has burned out, I've replaced it with a CFL.
Can't say I've had significant noise trouble. Sure wish I could say the
same for my computers!

It's hard to get past the price differential, but if you can, you'll
like 'em...

I don't think we are talking about the same bulbs. These cheap units
won't last that long. Maybe two years max.

I have nothing but compact fluorescents and some are way over 5 years
old. I've changed the kitchen overheads once since 1998. It's insane
to use Edison lamps for lighting.

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

In article ,
David wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:46:30 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
Doug Smith W9WI wrote:

Tester wrote:
Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.

I bought my first CFL a few weeks after I bought this house in 1994.
The bulb in the basement stairwell burned out, and it was such a pain to
change I decided I wanted something that would take awhile to burn out.

Had to replace it last week. (yes, that's **twelve years** service!)

Since then, as each bulb has burned out, I've replaced it with a CFL.
Can't say I've had significant noise trouble. Sure wish I could say the
same for my computers!

It's hard to get past the price differential, but if you can, you'll
like 'em...

I don't think we are talking about the same bulbs. These cheap units
won't last that long. Maybe two years max.

I have nothing but compact fluorescents and some are way over 5 years
old. I've changed the kitchen overheads once since 1998. It's insane
to use Edison lamps for lighting.

These less then a dollar bulbs have only been available the last few
months so you must have a time machine then.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environmentalism
 

homepc wrote:
Important Note: Handling and Disposal of CFL's

Compact fluorescent bulbs contain small amounts of mercury. The mercury
poses no threat while in the bulb, but if you break one be careful not to
inhale the mercury - immediately use a wet rag to clean it up and put all of
the pieces, and the rag, into a plastic bag.

Powdered sulfur is extremely good at binding any elemental mercury that
might have "blobbed" over an area. But don't use a vacuum cleaner to
clean it up (unless it's rated for mercury vapour containment). Use a
brush and pan and place the remains in a thick plastic bag.

JB



Although household CFL bulbs may legally be disposed of with regular trash
(in the US), they are categorized as household hazardous waste. As long as
the waste is sent to a modern municipal landfill, the hazard to the
environment is limited. However, CFL's should not be sent to an incinerator,
which would disperse the mercury into the atmosphere.

The best solution is to save spent CFL's for a community household hazardous
waste collection, which would then send the bulbs to facilities capable of
treating, recovering or recycling them. For more information on CFL disposal
or recycling, you can contact your local municipality.

Although CFL's have these handling and disposal issues, the large energy
savings of CFL bulbs compared to incandescents is of greater overall
environmental benefit.

http://www.eartheasy.com/live_energyeff_lighting.htm





"RHF" wrote in message
oups.com...

On Jan 2, 6:14 pm, "homepc" wrote:
-
- What I find disturbing, is that the consumer is seldom warned
- about the mercury inside the bulb, and when the bulb burns out,
- they just throw it away in the regular trash.
-

Home PC,

What is Mercury (HG) ?
What are the sources of Mercury emissions ?
What are the Risks ?
http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_li...aq_compact.htm
CFLs present an opportunity to prevent Mercury emissions from entering
the Environment because they Help-to-Reduce Emissions from Coal-Fired
Power Plants. A Coal-Fired Power Plant will emit 13.6 milligrams of
Mercury to produce Electricity required to use an Incandescent Light
Bulb, compared to 3.3 milligrams for a CFL with the same light output.
EPA Mercury News & Info = http://www.epa.gov/mercury/

mercury the messager and the message is cfl ~ RHF
.
.
. .

Before I bought my compact fluorescent bulbs, I made sure I knew where I
could dispose of them safely when they were spent. As it turns out,
Canadian Tire, where I bought my bulbs, also offered to recycle them. I
wonder if Wal-Mart would follow suit.

Most of the foreign made junk ( electronics in particular ) that Wal-Mart
peddles, fill up our land fill sites with toxic time bombs faster than we
realize.

"Tester" wrote in
messagenews:i46lp294dngdeajlp6usr8av1kuud11k7v@ent ropy.org...



Of course, flourescent bulbs create RFI.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/business/02bulb.html
The Energy Challenge
Power-Sipping Bulbs Get Backing From Wal-Mart
While it sounds like a promising idea, it turns out that the
long-lasting, swirl-shaped light bulbs known as compact fluorescent
lamps are to the nation's energy problem what vegetables are to its
obesity epidemic: a near perfect answer, if only Americans could be
persuaded to swallow them.
But now Wal-Mart Stores, the giant discount retailer, is determined to
push them into at least 100 million homes. And its ambitions extend
even further, spurred by a sweeping commitment from its chief
executive, H. Lee Scott Jr., to reduce energy use across the country,
a move that could also improve Wal-Mart's appeal to the more affluent
consumers the chain must win over to keep growing in the United
States.
"The environment," Mr. Scott said, "is begging for the Wal-Mart
business model."
It is the environmental movement's dream: America's biggest company,
legendary for its salesmanship and influence with suppliers,
encouraging 200 million shoppers to save energy.
For all its power in retailing, though, Wal-Mart is meeting plenty of
resistance - from light-bulb makers, competitors and consumers. To
help turn the tide, it is even reaching out to unlikely partners like
Google, Home Depot and Hollywood.
[...]
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Back in the early 1970's,the J.C.Penny store that used to be in down
town Jackson moved to a new store about two and a half miles from
me.Then when the new Northpark mall www.visitnorthpark.com was built
in 1983 the J.C.Penny store that was near me moved to Northpark mall in
Ridgeland,just across County Line Road which is the North boundary line
between North Jackson and the suburb city of Ridgeland.

Before the J.C.Penny store which used to be near me moved to Northpark
mall,the store had a sale on a lot of thingys.I bought a little
flourescent twin tube/light at the store.I wrote the date of when I
bought the light with a ball point pen on the base of the light just
before I started using it in my bathroom.I know I didn't throw the light
away when it burned out.I was looking for it just now in my bathroom
cabinets.(it's there somewhere among all that junk in there) But I did
find the bulb thingy,it says Philips PL 9

I know the little flourescent light bulb lasted at least fourteen years
since 1983 before it finally burned out.And I always leave my bathroom
light turned on wether I am home or not.That was a durn good little
light.When I find the other part of the light assembly/unit the two
prong bulb plugs into,I will see if I can find a replacement bulb.
cuhulin

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name ofenviron...
 

A liittle bit of history on Compact Fluorescent Lightning.
http://nemesis.lonestar.org/referenc...t/compact.html
cuhulin

Walmart promoting mini-flourescent bulbs in the name of environ...
 

On Jan 3, 8:19 am, wrote:
www.devilfinder.com Radioactive Coal

The whole Universe is Radioactive.Even we ourselves are Radioactive to
some extent.There is some Lignite Radioactive Coal being mined in
Northeast Mississippi (or somewhere around that neck of the woods) for a
power plant there and there will soon be some more Lignite Radioactive
Coal Mining going on in East Mississippi in Kemper County near
Meridian.(or somewhere around that neck of the woods) What they are
going to be doing with that Lignite Radioactive Coal is turning it (the
Lignite Radioactive Coal) into liquid fuel for cars.trucks,vans,soccer
mom's suvs,and who knows what else.Some of that nasty Radioactive Coal
in China blows on over to California.Heck of a note,isn't it?

- California is trying to reduce pollution and
- China is sending California more pollution.
- cuhulin

Cuhulin - In the next few years China will surpass the
USofA as "The Worlds" Major (#1) Polluter ~ RHF

mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

OBtSWL,

This would be the same amount of Mercury that came out of the Ground.

Was processed into the CFL Bulb.

And when the CFL Blub is disposed-of it : That same amount
of Mercury will be going back into the Ground.

net sum equal - imho ~ RHF

mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

I found the other part of my old fluorescent light in my bathroom
cabinets.It says,PHILIPS.Adapter for PL 7 or PL 9 120 V 12 Watts Made in
U.S.A. B4 Listed UL Adapter E77629 43L2 Pat.Pending Cat # 34888

The whole light assembly is actually three seperate parts.The adapter
with the screw in base part on it slides/connects up to what I assume is
the ballast and the light bulb which plugs into the adapter makes it
three seperate parts.If I happen to see a replacement light bulb at a
local store,I will buy it and see if I can get it all working again for
my bathroom.

I have a bunch of old,old electrical thingys here.One of them is an old
light dimmer.It says on it, Mil-L-12313A Bristol Dynamics,Inc
Dimmer,Lampholder Made in Brooklyn,N.Y.120V 60 Watt
It has a red two position slide switch on the side for Dim Bright.I
think it dates back to the 1950's.I tried it out in one of my table
lamps,but it doesn't work.(maybe that's why it showed up at the Goodwill
store) If I wire brush the crud off of the screw in base,it might work.
cuhulin

mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

When you was a kid,did you ever break an old mercury type of thermometer
and play with the mercury? We didn't know any better back in those days
when we were kids.
cuhulin

mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

You are correct about the same amount of mercury going back into the
environment, however, the ultra cheap Wal-Mart spent bulbs will not be going
back to China!

Food for thought:

http://1url.org/go/1ia8j


"RHF" wrote in message
ups.com...
OBtSWL,

This would be the same amount of Mercury that came out of the Ground.

Was processed into the CFL Bulb.

And when the CFL Blub is disposed-of it : That same amount
of Mercury will be going back into the Ground.

net sum equal - imho ~ RHF
.
.
. .

On Jan 3, 2:36 pm, "Old Benny the SWL" wrote:
Tester wrote:
While it sounds like a promising idea, it turns out that the
long-lasting, swirl-shaped light bulbs known as compact fluorescent
lamps are to the nation's energy problem what vegetables are to its
obesity epidemic: a near perfect answer, if only Americans could be
persuaded to swallow them.Don't forget that EVERY one of those CF's
contain
one drop of MERCURY.

(yes....that Mercury, known as element HG)

So much for enviornmental care when these things
start to end up in the waste stream !!!

HA !!!!!!!

mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

On 3 Jan 2007 22:56:24 -0800, "RHF"
wrote:

OBtSWL,

This would be the same amount of Mercury that came out of the Ground.

Was processed into the CFL Bulb.

And when the CFL Blub is disposed-of it : That same amount
of Mercury will be going back into the Ground.

net sum equal - imho ~ RHF
.
.
Around here they don't bury the lamps. You turn them in at a HHW
facility (or at a semi-annual roundup) along with your batteries and
used chemicals and motor oil. It is illegal to put mercury in the
trash, period.

mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

RHF wrote:
OBtSWL,

This would be the same amount of Mercury that came out of the Ground.

Was processed into the CFL Bulb.

And when the CFL Blub is disposed-of it : That same amount
of Mercury will be going back into the Ground.

net sum equal - imho ~ RHF

Yes, but, of course, the problem is that when the mercury from bulbs is
placed back into the ground/water, it is greatly more concentrated than
when it was mined, where it was also locked up in the ore. It is the
artificial purification / concentration / juxtaposition that makes it
dangerous.

However, it is also true that most people are becoming far more careful
about they dispose of toxic materials. Here in the SF bay area, we
have fairly convenient hazardous waste centers who will accept this
stuff free at disposal time. About once every two years, I bring a
small batch of nasty material there, and in about 1 minute it is off my
hands. The material is then either reclaimed or disposed of in a palce
where it hopefully will be safe for 1,000,000,000 years.

BJ

mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

RHF wrote:
BpnJ,

ABOUT - Mercury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)

Organic Mercury Compounds {Methyl-Mercury} Meta-Mercury ?
http://www.greenfacts.org/glossary/m...-compounds.htm
IIRC - When they build a Dam {Reservoir} one of the things
that they have found that they need to do is remove all the
Trees and other Vegetation : Because most of it has some
Organic Mercury in it and as it Decays under the Water and
is Consumed by the Animals, Plants and Fish in the Water
the Organic Mercury then enters the Human Food Chain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservoir_(water)

Scientific Facts on Mercury {Q&A}
http://www.greenfacts.org/mercury/index.htm

Mercury and its Many Forms
http://www.calpoison.org/public/mercury.html

Thanks for this.

While CFL Bulbs do use and consume Mercury via Electrical
Generation.

Not exactly - they contain mercury and it is part of the
light-production process. No mercury is consumed - the lifetime
starting mass is equal to the lifetime ending mass.

Over their Rated Service Life they us less Mercury
then the same number of Incandescent Bulbs required for that
CFL's Rated Service Life period that have the same Rated Light
Output : Because they use much less energy and the production
of Energy results in the by product of Mercury in our Air and Water.

How so? How does energy consumption and production result in
signficant mercury release?

In any case, a CFL bulb or any other FL bulb concentrates mercury in a
way that few other products will nowadays. It is this concentration -
possibly within reach of a person and their skin/mouth - that presents
the problem. There may be a great deal of mercury out and about in the
environment (and it also concentrates at the top of the food chain, in
fish especially), but in minute forms and scattered as it is, it is not
likely to affect any individual if that individual is careful not to
ingest high-merc foods.

BJ

mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

I think that some stores,such as Wal Mart and the like,should let people
bring their old fluoresecent light bulbs/lights to the stores and the
stores could turn in the old bulbs/lights to a collection agency,all at
no charge to the customers.That might keep a lot of mercury out of the
landfills/water tables.Sounds like a good idea to me.
cuhulin

mini-flourescent bulbs ARE FULL OF MERCURY
 

On Jan 5, 7:37 am, "bpnjensen" wrote:
RHF wrote:
BpnJ,

ABOUT - Mercury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)

Organic Mercury Compounds {Methyl-Mercury} Meta-Mercury ?
http://www.greenfacts.org/glossary/m...-compounds.htm
IIRC - When they build a Dam {Reservoir} one of the things
that they have found that they need to do is remove all the
Trees and other Vegetation : Because most of it has some
Organic Mercury in it and as it Decays under the Water and
is Consumed by the Animals, Plants and Fish in the Water
the Organic Mercury then enters the Human Food Chain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservoir_(water)

Scientific Facts on Mercury {Q&A}
http://www.greenfacts.org/mercury/index.htm

Mercury and its Many Forms
http://www.calpoison.org/public/mercury.htmlThanks for this.


- - While CFL Bulbs do use and consume Mercury via Electrical
- - Generation.

- Not exactly - they contain mercury and it is part
- of the light-production process.

- No mercury is consumed - the lifetime starting mass
- is equal to the lifetime ending mass.

-R- Incandescent Bulbs use 3-4 times the Electrical Energy
and thus require 3-4 times the Electrical Generation -and-
When that Electricity is from a Coal-Fired Electrical Power
Generation Plants Mercury Air Pollution is a by-product.

Over their Rated Service Life they us less Mercury
then the same number of Incandescent Bulbs required for that
CFL's Rated Service Life period that have the same Rated Light
Output : Because they use much less energy and the production
of Energy results in the by product of Mercury in our Air and Water.

- How so? How does energy consumption and production result
- in signficant mercury release?

-R- Coal-Fired-Electrical-Power-Generation-Plants {China PRC}


In any case, a CFL bulb or any other FL bulb concentrates mercury in a
way that few other products will nowadays. It is this concentration -
possibly within reach of a person and their skin/mouth - that presents
the problem. There may be a great deal of mercury out and about in the
environment (and it also concentrates at the top of the food chain, in
fish especially), but in minute forms and scattered as it is, it is not
likely to affect any individual if that individual is careful not to
ingest high-merc foods.

BJ

BpnJ - One Word ; "Coal"

Coal 'fired' Electrical Power Generation Plants are a significant
source of Mercury and Sulfur Air Pollution which results in Acid
Rain and Higher Levels of Mercury in Lakes and Streams.
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deput...n/acidrain.htm

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/aw/ai...h/acidrain.htm
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/e...idrain817.html


The Environmental Literacy Council - Acid Rain and Mercury
http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/2.html

New England Governors and Eastern Canadian Premiers
- Adopt Mercury and Acid Rain Action Plan
http://dep.state.ct.us/whatshap/Press/1998/mercury.htm

TVA - Acid Rain and Mercury
- Air Emissions from Coal-Fired Power Plants
http://www.tva.gov/environment/air/o...r/acidrain.htm
EPA = http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/cmprpt/arp05/

CHINA - The World's Newest Mega-Pollutor -Invisible Export-
A Hidden Cost of China's Growth: Mercury Migration and Acid Rain
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=5058
Using Coal as a Source of Power - The Nation of China (PRC)
Sends Toxic Metal Around Globe; Buildup in the Great Lakes
Conveyor Belt of Bad Air
EPA & CHINA =
http://www.epa.gov/oia/airandclimate.../chinaair.html

CHINA : Pollution From Chinese Coal-Fired-Electrical Power Plants
- Casts a Global Poisonous Shadow World Wide
-The New York Times- http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13709
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...%2fAcid%20Rain

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/bu...pagewanted=all

One of China's lesser-known Exports is a Dangerous Brew of
Soot, Toxic Chemicals and Climate-Changing Gases from the
Smokestacks of Coal-Fired Electrical Power Generation Plants.

Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)
NRDC = http://www.nrdc.org/
* Saving 2.5 Million Barrels of Oil a Day by 2015
http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/rep/chap1.asp
* Providing America with Clean, Affordable Electricity
http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/rep/chap2.asp
* Creating a Responsible Natural Gas Policy
http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/rep/chap3.asp


cough, Cough. COUGH ! Coal-Fired Air Pollution is Real ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cough
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollution

Why Not A A Hazardious Waste Tax on CFLs and Batteries with The Right-of-Return {Duty-to-Recycle} With-In-the-Store
 

Cuhulin - That Is A Great Idea :

A Hazardious Waste Tax on CFLs and Batteries with
The Right-of-Return {Duty-to-Recycle} With-In-the-Store
[ Recycling-at-the-Store - Point-of-Sale-Recycling ]

Hey - It Ought To Be A Law !
- - - Write Your Congressperson -and- State Representatives too.

now that is something to think about ~ RHF

Fly-the-US-Flag on the Old Wood Pile for American Energy Independence !
 

On Jan 8, 8:30 am, "bpnjensen" wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jan 5, 7:37 am, "bpnjensen" wrote:
RHF wrote:
BpnJ,

ABOUT - Mercury
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)snips

BpnJ - One Word ; "Coal"snips

cough, Cough. COUGH ! Coal-Fired Air Pollution is Real ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cough
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollutionYes, thanks for all of this - a good reminder. Unfortunately, coal
remains plentiful, and not only China but the US and several other
nations are eyeing coal and coal-derived fossil fuels as an important
next step in energy production. It will require significantly more
costly technology to burn it cleanly, not only for reduction of mercury
and other heavy metals, but also, as you mention, to reduce acidic
emissions.

BJ

BpnJ,

We will eventually be paying $4-$5-per-Gallon for Gas.

We can either be Paying to US Produced Coal Based Fuel
and help our own economy -or- We can be sending the
Money Over Seas and hurting ourselves. Until we have well
developed Alternative Fuel Sources with all the necessary
Infrastructures-in-Place Fossil Fuel from Imported-Foreign-Oil
-or- American-Made-Coal-Fuel are the two short term sources
that can meet-our-daily-needs for Energy-to-Run-the-Nation
and Our Economy. Coal-Based-Fuel can be 'bootstrapped'
into the existing Oil-Based-Fuel Distribution System.

Fly-the-US-Flag on the Old Wood Pile for American Energy Independence !

Yes - The Wood Pile America's First {Original} Symbol
of Home Grown Energy Independence !
- - - Burn Wood and Be Free !
- - - An American's Home Is His Castle :
When It Is Heated With All American Wood !

Five Essentials to Getting-the-Most out of your Woodpile
http://hearth.com/what/essentials.html

The Wood Fuel is the Thing - How To Prepare your Firewood Supply
http://www.woodheat.org/firewood/fuelproc.htm

Heating Rural Homes - The Personal and Social Side of Wood Heating
http://www.woodheat.org/lore/thesis.htm

National Energy Foundation's "Log Pile" Project, a project that aims
to promote and aid the use of Wood as a Source of Renewable Energy
and Sustainable Heating. http://www.nef.org.uk/logpile/index.htm

Burn Clean - The Smart Use of Wood as an Independent
Renewable Energy Source. http://www.burningclean.com/
Hello - Woodburning Fireplace and Wood Stove Owners !
Make a Change and "SAVE" Money and Energy.
* How To Burn With Wood Cleanly, Efficiently, & Responsibly
* Straight Answers To Your Wood Burning Questions

God {Allah} Bless The All-American Wood Pile - Amen
[ May The Smoke From Your Chimney Be Heaven Bound. ]


i wood if i could -and- i do burn all american wood ~ RHF

Why Not A A Hazardious Waste Tax on CFLs and Batteries with The Right-of-Return {Duty-to-Recycle} With-In-the-Store
 

On Jan 8, 8:26 am, "bpnjensen" wrote:
RHF wrote:
Cuhulin - That Is A Great Idea :

A Hazardious Waste Tax on CFLs and Batteries with
The Right-of-Return {Duty-to-Recycle} With-In-the-Store
[ Recycling-at-the-Store - Point-of-Sale-Recycling ]

Hey - It Ought To Be A Law !
- - - Write Your Congressperson -and- State Representatives too.

now that is something to think about ~ RHF
.
.
. .

On Jan 5, 12:55 pm, wrote:
I think that some stores,such as Wal Mart and the like,should let people
bring their old fluoresecent light bulbs/lights to the stores and the
stores could turn in the old bulbs/lights to a collection agency,all at
no charge to the customers.That might keep a lot of mercury out of the
landfills/water tables.Sounds like a good idea to me.
cuhulinThis idea could work very well, I think, but the methods should be
handled carefully. In lieu of that, here in the County in CA where RHF
(sometimes) and I live, there are household hazmat collection centers
for homeowners to bring their hazmat stuff free (including fluorescent
bulbs and batteries, among other things). Admittedly, this forces a
person to make a special trip to the hazmat collection center. Despite
this requirement, the system has worked well so far - Alameda County
is, overall and statistically, one of the more conscientious counties
in CA when it comes to properly disposing of bad stuff and recycling
good stuff.

I'm not sure if a point-of-sale collection center would work *better*
or not (to be fair, every hardware / department / drug / grocery store
that sells them would need to provide the service, which would probably
include collection, separation into types and haul to a *business*
hazmat waste collection center.) This system, as convenient as it
would be for the consumer, would introduce another "middle-man" into
the chain, which would likely insert some new complexity, and
possibility for irresponsibility, to the system.

Bruce Jensen

BpnJ - Most Stores have Daily or Weekly Garbage Pick-Up :
So Integrating Haz-Mat-Recycling at the Point-of-Sale is
one of the most Energy Friendly methods of building on the
current activities of the Consumers and their relationship
with the Stores {Their Suppliers}. ~ RHF