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David January 30th 07 02:03 PM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf

Telamon January 31st 07 02:38 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
In article ,
David wrote:

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf


You do not have the option of isolating the grounds on either model,
which would ordinarily be an advantage of the voltage type of
transformer.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF January 31st 07 08:38 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
On Jan 30, 6:38 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,

David wrote:
http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf


http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf


You do not have the option of isolating the grounds on either model,
which would ordinarily be an advantage of the voltage type of
transformer.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


Telamon - That is true. -but- Most so called "MLBs"
Magnetic Longwire Baluns are just such 'common
ground' Matching Transformers. iane ~ RHF

[email protected] January 31st 07 07:47 PM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
On Jan 31, 3:38 am, "RHF" wrote:
On Jan 30, 6:38 pm, Telamon

wrote:
In article ,


David wrote:
http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf


http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf


You do not have the option of isolating the grounds on either model,
which would ordinarily be an advantage of the voltage type of
transformer.


--
Telamon
Ventura, California


Telamon - That is true. -but- Most so called "MLBs"
Magnetic Longwire Baluns are just such 'common
ground' Matching Transformers. iane ~ RHF
.
.
. .

Unless they have changed the internal wiring since 2001, the primary
and
secondary are completly isolated. MC transformers are NOT a good
choice for 'high" RF field locations. I don't know eaxctly at what
point it happens,
but I ran into big problems with 2nd harmonic distortion when I added
a ground
ring around my home to my ~70' wire antenna. I also expereinced a
number
of mix porducts. 1240+770, 1240-770 1240+2(770) etc. MiniCircuit
transformers
are nice and compact,but the very small size of the ferrite core
limits the
voltage because the micro cores saturate. There are many reports of MC
transfomres getting zapped by static. I never had that problem but the
IMD was a serious issue.

Wind you own on a suitable core.

Terry


Telamon February 1st 07 02:56 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
In article . com,
wrote:

On Jan 31, 3:38 am, "RHF" wrote:
On Jan 30, 6:38 pm, Telamon

wrote:
In article ,


David wrote:
http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf


You do not have the option of isolating the grounds on either model,
which would ordinarily be an advantage of the voltage type of
transformer.


--
Telamon
Ventura, California


Telamon - That is true. -but- Most so called "MLBs"
Magnetic Longwire Baluns are just such 'common
ground' Matching Transformers. iane ~ RHF
.
.
. .

Unless they have changed the internal wiring since 2001, the primary
and secondary are completly isolated. MC transformers are NOT a
good choice for 'high" RF field locations. I don't know eaxctly at
what point it happens, but I ran into big problems with 2nd harmonic
distortion when I added a ground ring around my home to my ~70' wire
antenna. I also expereinced a number of mix porducts. 1240+770,
1240-770 1240+2(770) etc. MiniCircuit transformers are nice and
compact,but the very small size of the ferrite core limits the
voltage because the micro cores saturate. There are many reports of
MC transfomres getting zapped by static. I never had that problem but
the IMD was a serious issue.


According to the schematic of both parts the low side of the primary and
secondary are tied together.

Wind you own on a suitable core.


Good idea.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon February 1st 07 03:00 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
In article .com,
"RHF" wrote:

On Jan 30, 6:38 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,

David wrote:
http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf


http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf


You do not have the option of isolating the grounds on either model,
which would ordinarily be an advantage of the voltage type of
transformer.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


Telamon - That is true. -but- Most so called "MLBs"
Magnetic Longwire Baluns are just such 'common
ground' Matching Transformers. iane ~ RHF


That's OK for a horizontal wire 10 foot off the ground but if it is a
Beverage or inverted L for instance then you would start near ground and
you could take advantage of separate grounds.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David February 1st 07 03:58 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:38:38 -0800, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf


You do not have the option of isolating the grounds on either model,
which would ordinarily be an advantage of the voltage type of
transformer.


Here ya go, Sparky!

http://www.minicircuits.com/products...rmers_pic.html

Telamon February 2nd 07 01:58 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
In article ,
David wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:38:38 -0800, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf


You do not have the option of isolating the grounds on either model,
which would ordinarily be an advantage of the voltage type of
transformer.


Here ya go, Sparky!

http://www.minicircuits.com/products...rmers_pic.html


I'm well familiar with the Mini-circuits site. I have used their
components in the past.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David February 2nd 07 04:04 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:58:47 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:38:38 -0800, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf

You do not have the option of isolating the grounds on either model,
which would ordinarily be an advantage of the voltage type of
transformer.


Here ya go, Sparky!

http://www.minicircuits.com/products...rmers_pic.html


I'm well familiar with the Mini-circuits site. I have used their
components in the past.


What about the rest of the viewers?

RHF February 2nd 07 04:09 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
On Feb 1, 8:04 pm, David wrote:
On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:58:47 GMT, Telamon





wrote:
In article ,
David wrote:


On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:38:38 -0800, Telamon
wrote:


In article ,
David wrote:


http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf


http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf


You do not have the option of isolating the grounds on either model,
which would ordinarily be an advantage of the voltage type of
transformer.


Here ya go, Sparky!


http://www.minicircuits.com/products...rmers_pic.html


I'm well familiar with the Mini-circuits site. I have used their
components in the past.


What about the rest of the viewers?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


David & Telamon,

Now now children be nice to each other.

jftfoi ~ RHF

HFguy February 2nd 07 08:03 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
Filuk The Hogfish-Beater wrote:

Ok does anyone have a link that walks you through selecting the parts,
winding the balun etc... I'd like to make one but just can't find a decent
reference.


Go to the following webpage and order item #1542 for $3.00. You'll
receive three T-43 ferrite toroidal cores measuring 1/2-inch in
diameter. You'll need one core to make the balun.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/misc/amidon.html

You can get the wire for winding the balun at your local Radio Shack. It
comes in an assortment of three sizes for $4.99, catalog #278-1345.
Here's the online catalog page for the wi

http://tinyurl.com/2fws6t

When you have the toroids and wire, get back to the group here and we'll
tell you how to wind the balun and/or refer you to a webpage on how to
do it.

Telamon February 3rd 07 06:48 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
In article ,
David wrote:

On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:58:47 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:38:38 -0800, Telamon
wrote:

In article ,
David wrote:

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T8-1-X65.pdf

http://www.minicircuits.com/pdfs/T14-1-X65.pdf

You do not have the option of isolating the grounds on either model,
which would ordinarily be an advantage of the voltage type of
transformer.

Here ya go, Sparky!

http://www.minicircuits.com/products...rmers_pic.html


I'm well familiar with the Mini-circuits site. I have used their
components in the past.


What about the rest of the viewers?


Well, you did specifically refer to my nickname.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF February 3rd 07 06:50 AM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
On Feb 2, 12:03 am, HFguy wrote:
Filuk The Hogfish-Beater wrote:

Ok does anyone have a link that walks you through selecting the parts,
winding the balun etc... I'd like to make one but just can't find a decent
reference.


Go to the following webpage and order item #1542 for $3.00. You'll
receive three T-43 ferrite toroidal cores measuring 1/2-inch in
diameter. You'll need one core to make the balun.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/misc/amidon.html

You can get the wire for winding the balun at your local Radio Shack. It
comes in an assortment of three sizes for $4.99,

- catalog #278-1345.
- Here's the online catalog page for the wi
-
- http://tinyurl.com/2fws6t

RadioShack Catalog # 278-1345
315-Feet of Magnet Wire - Set of Three Spools
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2036277
1 - 40-Foot Spool of 22-Gauge Magnet Wire
1 - 75-Foot Spool of 26-Gauge Magnet Wire
1 - 200-Foot Spool of 30-Gauge Magnet Wire



When you have the toroids and wire, get back to the group here and we'll
tell you how to wind the balun and/or refer you to a webpage on how to
do it.




RHF February 3rd 07 07:02 AM

Of Baluns and Balun Kits - What's a Shortwave Listener (SWL) To Do . . .
 
Of Baluns and Balun Kits - What's a Shortwave Listener (SWL) To
Do . . .
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw.../message/12163

Balun Kit {Toroidal} for Shortwave (HF) 3 MHz to 30 MHz [eBay]
http://cgi.ebay.com/Balun-Kit-Toroidal-Type-3-
30Mhz_W0QQitemZ200032993780

Balun Kits [Universal-Radio - et al]
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/misc/amidon.html
http://www.bytemark.com/products/kit_bal1.htm
http://www.amidoncorp.com/aai_cost_experimenter.htm
http://www.surplussales.com/Antennas/Antennas-2.html
Order # Model Description Core Wire Ratios Price Order
#1525 - AB-200-10 - Balun Kit T200-2 @ 14 gauge 10 feet 4:1 or 1:1
#1526 - AB-240-125 - Balun Kit FT-240-61 @ 14 gauge 10 feet 4:1 or
1:1
* Wind 10-Turns for the Coax Cable Winding
* Wind 30-Turns for the Antenna-Ground Winding
* * Check-Out the AU-150A-250 UNUN Kit which includes
a FT 150A-K plus 12FT #14 Thermaleze Wire

The WireMan - Balun Kits #830 & #831
http://thewireman.com/baluns.html
http://www.k1cra.com/catalog/product.aspx?productID=735

Low Power Balun Kit -by- W1CG
http://www.njqrp.org/balun/
http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=12668

TECH REF = Amidon Technical Reference and Product Guide
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/misc/1899.html

Although most of these are designed for Amateur Radio {Ham}
use for Transmitting : They can also be used for "Receive Only"
Shortwave Listening (SWL) too.

What's Between Your Shortwave Antenna and Your Coax Cable ?
Can You Spell "B A L U N" -or- 'UnUn' -aka- Matching Transformer !


hope this helps to... balun you out - iane ~ RHF {pomkia}
.
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antennas Group = http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
GoTo = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
The SWL Antenna Discussion Group = http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antenna HELP = http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antenna NEWS = http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antenna INFO = http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf
* * * All Are Welcome : Including ELMERS and 'Want-to-be-Elmers'
plus plain old "Mister-Know-It-Alls"; and even those Newbees with
"I Know This Is A Really Dumb Question - But _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "
.
The Shortwave Listener's Blessing :
SWL BLESSING = http://tinyurl.com/s2bjm
May You Never Tire of Listening to the Radio and Always
have Strong Signals and Noise Free Reception ~ RHF {ibid}
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortw...a/message/9233
.
Tous Sont Bienvenus ! - - - Groupe par Radio
d'auditeur d'onde courte pour des Antennes de SWL
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
Alle Sind Willkommen ! - - - Shortwave Radiozuhörer
Gruppe für SWL Antennen
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
Tutti Sono Benvenuti ! - - - Gruppo Radiofonico
dell'ascoltatore di onda corta per le Antenne di SWL
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
Todos São Bem-vindos ! - - - Grupo de Rádio
do ouvinte do Shortwave para Antenas de SWL
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
Все *адушны ! - - - Группа оператора
на приеме коротковолнового диапазона
Radio для Aнтенн SWL
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
¡Todos Son Agradables! - - - Grupo de Radio del oyente
de la onda corta para las Antenas de SWL
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
= = = = Plain Old American-English Translation = = = =
All are Welcome - - - To Join the Shortwave Listeners
(SWL) Antenna Group on YAHOO !
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/
.
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........!.......

= = = On Feb 2, 12:03*am, HFguy wrote:
Filuk The Hogfish-Beater wrote:

Ok does anyone have a link that walks you through selecting the parts,
winding the balun etc... I'd like to make one but just can't find a decent
reference.


Go to the following webpage and order item #1542 for $3.00. You'll
receive three T-43 ferrite toroidal cores measuring 1/2-inch in
diameter. You'll need one core to make the balun.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/misc/amidon.html

You can get the wire for winding the balun at your local Radio Shack. It
comes in an assortment of three sizes for $4.99, catalog #278-1345.
Here's the online catalog page for the wi

http://tinyurl.com/2fws6t

When you have the toroids and wire, get back to the group here and we'll
tell you how to wind the balun and/or refer you to a webpage on how to
do it.




dxAce February 3rd 07 12:07 PM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 


Filuk The Hogfish-Beater wrote:

On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:50:25 -0800, RHF Has Frothed:

On Feb 2, 12:03 am, HFguy wrote:
Filuk The Hogfish-Beater wrote:

Ok does anyone have a link that walks you through selecting the parts,
winding the balun etc... I'd like to make one but just can't find a decent
reference.

Go to the following webpage and order item #1542 for $3.00. You'll
receive three T-43 ferrite toroidal cores measuring 1/2-inch in
diameter. You'll need one core to make the balun.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/misc/amidon.html

You can get the wire for winding the balun at your local Radio Shack. It
comes in an assortment of three sizes for $4.99,

- catalog #278-1345.
- Here's the online catalog page for the wi
-
- http://tinyurl.com/2fws6t

RadioShack Catalog # 278-1345
315-Feet of Magnet Wire - Set of Three Spools
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2036277
1 - 40-Foot Spool of 22-Gauge Magnet Wire
1 - 75-Foot Spool of 26-Gauge Magnet Wire
1 - 200-Foot Spool of 30-Gauge Magnet Wire



When you have the toroids and wire, get back to the group here and we'll
tell you how to wind the balun and/or refer you to a webpage on how to
do it.


Thank you all, will visit a local electronics shop (true electronics shop
that has lots of goodies, not Radio Slack) and pick these or their equivs
up.


http://members.aol.com/DXerCapeCod/z_transformers.pdf

http://www.dxing.info/equipment/impe...ing_bryant.pdf

dxAce
Michigan
USA



David February 3rd 07 02:12 PM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
On 1 Feb 2007 20:49:21 -0800, "tack" wrote:



Looks like you have to order 25 min


You are WRONG! Ellanawor Klift!

RHF February 3rd 07 05:51 PM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
On Feb 3, 6:12 am, David wrote:
On 1 Feb 2007 20:49:21 -0800, "tack" wrote:



Looks like you have to order 25 min


You are WRONG! Ellanawor Klift!


David - That would be "Eleanor Clift".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Clift
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2635,00.html
Married William Brooks Clift the brother of the Actor
"Montgomery Clift" {From Here To Eternity}
http://www.nndb.com/people/227/000117873/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Clift

"Capitol Letter" a weekly Newsweek.com and MSNBC feature
-by- Newsweek contributing editor Eleanor Clift
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6890358/site/newsweek/
http://feeds.newsweek.com/newsweek/c...s/EleanorClift

The McLaughlin Group (TMG)
http://www.mclaughlin.com/about/bio.asp?pid=13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_McLaughlin_Group
- - - The Usual Suspects at TMG
http://www.mclaughlin.com/about/group.asp

John McLaughlin - TV Host of "The McLaughlin Group" http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McLaughlin_%28host%29
Who is a former Jesuit Priest and graduate of Boston College
http://www.nndb.com/people/629/000061446/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_College
About the "Society of Jesus" -aka- The Jesuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
http://www.nndb.com/org/840/000114498/
- - - Saint Ignatius of Loyola
http://www.nndb.com/people/626/000094344/


as always - more than you wanted to know ~ RHF

David February 4th 07 02:22 PM

Long wire to SO-239 50 ohm?
 
On 3 Feb 2007 09:51:31 -0800, "RHF"
wrote:

On Feb 3, 6:12 am, David wrote:
On 1 Feb 2007 20:49:21 -0800, "tack" wrote:



Looks like you have to order 25 min


You are WRONG! Ellanawor Klift!


David - That would be "Eleanor Clift".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Clift
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2635,00.html
Married William Brooks Clift the brother of the Actor
"Montgomery Clift" {From Here To Eternity}
http://www.nndb.com/people/227/000117873/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Clift

"Capitol Letter" a weekly Newsweek.com and MSNBC feature
-by- Newsweek contributing editor Eleanor Clift
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6890358/site/newsweek/
http://feeds.newsweek.com/newsweek/c...s/EleanorClift

The McLaughlin Group (TMG)
http://www.mclaughlin.com/about/bio.asp?pid=13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_McLaughlin_Group
- - - The Usual Suspects at TMG
http://www.mclaughlin.com/about/group.asp

John McLaughlin - TV Host of "The McLaughlin Group" http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McLaughlin_%28host%29
Who is a former Jesuit Priest and graduate of Boston College
http://www.nndb.com/people/629/000061446/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_College
About the "Society of Jesus" -aka- The Jesuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
http://www.nndb.com/org/840/000114498/
- - - Saint Ignatius of Loyola
http://www.nndb.com/people/626/000094344/


as always - more than you wanted to know ~ RHF
.

Never miss it. Bye-bye...


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