|
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 14, 12:09�pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:
Carter-k8vt wrote: wrote: On Feb 13, 7:49?pm, Carter-k8vt wrote: wrote: ? ?The ARRL never reveals its budget plans to the public, ? ?despite all its Believers' claims that it is handled in a ? ?"democratic fashion" AS IF it were an arm of the guvmint. ? ?The best one can hope for is someone else getting copies ? ?of its IRS Returns and publicizes those. ?Otherwise we ? ?"common folk" would never know its a multi-million dollar ? ?"non-profit" organization. ? ?LA OK, no problem, assume everything you say is true. * *There WAS a website (webmaster is a ham) that DID * *post ARRL IRS returns. *I footnoted that in one of my * *Comments to the FCC. *Have to look it up on the CD * *holding those documents but anyone can access it if * *it is still up and running. 1) Is that bad? Is it any different than the NRA or any other hobby organization? * *The National Recovery Act is still going on?!? * :-) 2) What alternative to the ARRL do you suggest? * *"Alternative?" *You want an instant alternative? * *The ARRL was incorporated in 1914. *That's 83 years * *ago. *The league was able to squash its competition * *in the ancient days by good PR work. *I admire them * *for their chutzpah in that. * *From my observation the ARRL just got to believing * *its own "sins of omissions of the truth" that it lost * *sight of its original aims (other than being a local * *telegraph service hacker)...then got the inner circle * *of its staff to think they were all there through some * *odd "divine right." *It is only a fraternal order and a * *publisher. * *Ain't no equivalent national organization in the USA * *now that could compete on equal terms with them. * *However, that is NO reason (logically) for them to * *think they are Top Dog just because they don't have * *the competition. *Its Believers do, but then they have * *drifted off the mainstream into an emotional attachment * *to fraternalistic orders. * Lee, thanks for the explanation...although as a pragmatist, the ARRL, for better or worse, IS the only game in town. They are certainly not perfect, but then, who of us are? As to their "non-profit" status, whatever that means, I am not sure what problem you see with that (if any). I was referring to what some (in the past) used to imply about their altruism. :-) Way back I used to kid some members about the ARRL website needing extra money for shipping charges of purchases. The example given was going into an HRO and being able to buy a League book and NOT pay shipping charges...and the HRO still made a profit on that sale. Yet the price on the ARRL website was the same AND one had to pay extra for shipping charges. :-) That was quickly transformed by the Zealot Believers into some dastardly "attack" on the League by myself. Gotta love the way some act when their ox is gored. I did some research and, as you say, their IRS returns are on the web. Additionally, their *AUDITED* Annual Report is on the ARRL web site for the world to see. Granted, since Enron, audits aren't all they were cracked up to be, but that is a national issue, nothing unique to the ARRL. Oooops, pardon the fumble fingers. That should be "Len" Roger that, no problem on that here... :-) LA |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 12, 10:30 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
"Jim Shaffer" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:35:46 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. And when you're all dead, nobody will remember you, or if they do they'll laugh their asses off. So you depend upon some sort of massive die-off to validate your license class? Its in the cards. The ARS hasn't enlisted young people in numbers since the 60's. The die-off is coming. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 14, 5:10�pm, wrote:
On Feb 12, 10:30 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "Jim Shaffer" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:35:46 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. And when you're all dead, nobody will remember you, or if they do they'll laugh their asses off. So you depend upon some sort of massive die-off to validate your license class? Its in the cards. *The ARS hasn't enlisted young people in numbers since the 60's. *The die-off is coming. As the old romans said, "Sine die." :-) LA |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 12, 10:48 pm, wrote:
Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. And when you're all dead, nobody will remember you, or if they do they'll laugh their asses off. So you depend upon some sort of massive die-off to validate your license class? He's laughing at the Gertol class of amateurs like yourself. Don't bother disagreeing with him. His group WILL be a larger subset of the amateur base that you'll have to convince to not laugh at you and your senile friends. good. maybe I'll start listening to the ham bands again. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 14, 8:10 pm, wrote:
On Feb 12, 10:30 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "Jim Shaffer" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:35:46 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. And when you're all dead, nobody will remember you, or if they do they'll laugh their asses off. So you depend upon some sort of massive die-off to validate your license class? Its in the cards. The ARS hasn't enlisted young people in numbers since the 60's. The die-off is coming.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's what the hams get for trying to keep everyone else out of it for so long, even when they knew radio theory, and for trying to keep it their own little exclusive club wher only a very few people are members, even though they don't know a thing about radio theory. Keep people out for decades. Now there's a huge gap between the "old" hams" and the "new" hams. which means the die-off is coming, as you say. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 13, 7:32 pm, "David G. Nagel" wrote:
james wrote: On 13 Feb 2007 10:38:16 -0800, "wavetrapper" wrote: +++Having observed issues and changes in recent years, I think the +++question that has to be asked at some point is whether or not the ARRL +++should continue to attempt to influence rules, laws, etc. The money +++that they have to be spending on legal efforts, lobbying, etc has got +++to be significant. I think any objective observer would conclude that +++their ability to influence legislation, FCC rules, etc in recent years +++has been pretty dismal. Earlier in their history, the ARRL had the +++ability to do this. Times change. In today's world, the Imperial FCC +++chooses to do what it wants to do, selectively uses public comments +++that support their pre-determined outcomes, fails to enforce its own +++rules and is happy ignore factual data or public sentiment in the +++process. Resources may be better spent in providing new and different +++services to members rather than flush it down the commode under the +++banner of "fighting city hall." +++ +++Russ +++K3Pi *********** The FCC does as Congress dictates. Remember COngress holds the purse strings for the FCC as well as the power to remove and appoint commisioners. The FCC is an extension of Congress. james Sorry James; Congress does hold the purse strings as well as the abililty to enact laws which the FCC has to enforce. The President appoints commissioners and the Senate confirms the appointment. The President can request the resignation of any official in government but can only fire a few. Dave N- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - however, Congress can abolish the FCC anytime they want to, if enough votes to do so passes. They're the ones who created it in the first place. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
"------------" wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 12, 10:48 pm, wrote: Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. And when you're all dead, nobody will remember you, or if they do they'll laugh their asses off. So you depend upon some sort of massive die-off to validate your license class? He's laughing at the Gertol class of amateurs like yourself. Don't bother disagreeing with him. His group WILL be a larger subset of the amateur base that you'll have to convince to not laugh at you and your senile friends. good. maybe I'll start listening to the ham bands again. NOT ME I TWO STOOPID Dloyd Lavies, Sweat Lord and Talk Show Buffoon "In the Domestic Rear" |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
"------------" wrote in message oups.com... which means the die-off is coming, as you say. I wish my body odor would die off! Dloyd Lavies, Sweat Lord and Talk Show Buffoon "In the Domestic Rear" |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
------------ wrote:
On Feb 13, 7:32 pm, "David G. Nagel" wrote: james wrote: On 13 Feb 2007 10:38:16 -0800, "wavetrapper" wrote: +++Having observed issues and changes in recent years, I think the +++question that has to be asked at some point is whether or not the ARRL +++should continue to attempt to influence rules, laws, etc. The money +++that they have to be spending on legal efforts, lobbying, etc has got +++to be significant. I think any objective observer would conclude that +++their ability to influence legislation, FCC rules, etc in recent years +++has been pretty dismal. Earlier in their history, the ARRL had the +++ability to do this. Times change. In today's world, the Imperial FCC +++chooses to do what it wants to do, selectively uses public comments +++that support their pre-determined outcomes, fails to enforce its own +++rules and is happy ignore factual data or public sentiment in the +++process. Resources may be better spent in providing new and different +++services to members rather than flush it down the commode under the +++banner of "fighting city hall." +++ +++Russ +++K3Pi *********** The FCC does as Congress dictates. Remember COngress holds the purse strings for the FCC as well as the power to remove and appoint commisioners. The FCC is an extension of Congress. james Sorry James; Congress does hold the purse strings as well as the abililty to enact laws which the FCC has to enforce. The President appoints commissioners and the Senate confirms the appointment. The President can request the resignation of any official in government but can only fire a few. Dave N- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - however, Congress can abolish the FCC anytime they want to, if enough votes to do so passes. They're the ones who created it in the first place. To abolish the FCC, Congress would have to recende the Communications Act of 1934 as amended. Then they would have to create a replacement. Do you really want a bunch of political hacks doing that? Do you? Dave N |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 27, 3:49 pm, dxAce wrote:
------------ wrote: On Feb 14, 8:10 pm, wrote: On Feb 12, 10:30 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "Jim Shaffer" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:35:46 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. And when you're all dead, nobody will remember you, or if they do they'll laugh their asses off. So you depend upon some sort of massive die-off to validate your license class? Its in the cards. The ARS hasn't enlisted young people in numbers since the 60's. The die-off is coming.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's what the hams get for trying to keep everyone else out of it for so long, even when they knew radio theory, and for trying to keep it their own little exclusive club wher only a very few people are members, even though they don't know a thing about radio theory. Keep people out for decades. No one was kept out. They kept themselves out through their refusal to learn the code wrong. I studied for the code and written test. They kept me and others out by giving required to get your ham liscence phony ham tests in addition to the real test, claiming it was also part of the real test, marking correct answers wrong, and then claiming that wrong answers were the correct answers. question "What does ATV stand for as relating to amateur radio?" My answer: "ATV stands for amateur tv, also known as ham tv" They marked it wrong and then told me that "the correct answer is an All-Terrain Vehhicle that is equipped with an amateur radio set. There is't any such thing as amateur tv or ham tv. THAT IS purposely keeping people out. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
------------ wrote: On Feb 27, 3:49 pm, dxAce wrote: ------------ wrote: On Feb 14, 8:10 pm, wrote: On Feb 12, 10:30 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "Jim Shaffer" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:35:46 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. And when you're all dead, nobody will remember you, or if they do they'll laugh their asses off. So you depend upon some sort of massive die-off to validate your license class? Its in the cards. The ARS hasn't enlisted young people in numbers since the 60's. The die-off is coming.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's what the hams get for trying to keep everyone else out of it for so long, even when they knew radio theory, and for trying to keep it their own little exclusive club wher only a very few people are members, even though they don't know a thing about radio theory. Keep people out for decades. No one was kept out. They kept themselves out through their refusal to learn the code wrong. I studied for the code and written test. They kept me and others out by giving required to get your ham liscence phony ham tests in addition to the real test, claiming it was also part of the real test, marking correct answers wrong, and then claiming that wrong answers were the correct answers. question "What does ATV stand for as relating to amateur radio?" My answer: "ATV stands for amateur tv, also known as ham tv" They marked it wrong and then told me that "the correct answer is an All-Terrain Vehhicle that is equipped with an amateur radio set. There is't any such thing as amateur tv or ham tv. THAT IS purposely keeping people out. If that was the case (though I doubt it), all you had to do was test elsewhere. Personally, I think you're just a crybaby. dxAce Michigan USA |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
"dxAce" wrote:
If that was the case (though I doubt it), all you had to do was test elsewhere. I only tested with VEs who gave you a free FT-1000D when you passed your 20wpm code test. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 27, 8:04 pm, dxAce wrote:
------------ wrote: On Feb 27, 3:49 pm, dxAce wrote: ------------ wrote: On Feb 14, 8:10 pm, wrote: On Feb 12, 10:30 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: "Jim Shaffer" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:35:46 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. And when you're all dead, nobody will remember you, or if they do they'll laugh their asses off. So you depend upon some sort of massive die-off to validate your license class? Its in the cards. The ARS hasn't enlisted young people in numbers since the 60's. The die-off is coming.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's what the hams get for trying to keep everyone else out of it for so long, even when they knew radio theory, and for trying to keep it their own little exclusive club wher only a very few people are members, even though they don't know a thing about radio theory. Keep people out for decades. No one was kept out. They kept themselves out through their refusal to learn the code wrong. I studied for the code and written test. They kept me and others out by giving required to get your ham liscence phony ham tests in addition to the real test, claiming it was also part of the real .. If that was the case (though I doubt it), all you had to do was test elsewhere. Nope. If you tried to take the test in the neighboring counties where you didn't live, they would refer you back to your local county. Personally, I think you're just a crybaby. Nope. I'm not crying about it and never have. Just getting the truth out. I've been quiet about it for over twenty years. It's about time that the truth about them finally comes out to the public. However, with the CW requirement now eliminated, I'm sure enough good people will finally get into ham radio and be able to keep an eye on those old bozo hams (who did pass the cw test since it was required back then). - - Show quoted text - |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
policy-ham wrote:
Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as for the rest of us? W1AW Special Event, Midnight Exam Sessions to Mark New Amateur Rules NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, eliminating the Morse code requirement, Hiram Percy Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will mark the milestone with a weekend-long special event. In addition, a number of Central Connecticut volunteer examiners will be on hand at ARRL Headquarters -- both before and after the new rules become effective at 12:01 AM EST -- to offer Amateur Radio examinations under both the current and new rules. ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist Dan Henderson, N1ND, is helping to coordinate the celebration. He says Headquarters staff and other volunteers will keep W1AW active for the "Welcome Weekend" event. ... ph: Since 1995 the hand writing on the wall spelled out the doom of CW. However, the sheer momentum which was built up by the dyed-in-wool hardcore CW'ers carried it on. Time and time again resurrected it from its' tomb and breathed life anew in CWs' brittle bones. The arrl, being the professional politicians (or, as I like to refer to ALL politicians--public butt lickers) they are, make the proper noises and finally let lose the grip they had on the dead and bony fingers of CW. However, don't be fooled. They only do so because even they have woken to the fact there will be no resurrecting CW another time and do not wish their true motives to be seen in the light of day. Now they seek to shore up the old and ancient myths and class systems which has made amateur radio a good ole boys club and placed it under their control. Beware, the future will only bring more stealth, deception and disinformation from the arrl as they seek to maintain the status quo on what is left of their control freak, class system and good ole boys club which they have established for amateur radio. They need to have their dead old fingers pried from its' death grip they maintain on amateur radio. JS |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
|
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
------------ wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:49 pm, dxAce wrote: No one was kept out. They kept themselves out through their refusal to learn the code wrong. I studied for the code and written test. They kept me and others out by giving required to get your ham liscence phony ham tests in addition to the real test, claiming it was also part of the real test, marking correct answers wrong, and then claiming that wrong answers were the correct answers. question "What does ATV stand for as relating to amateur radio?" My answer: "ATV stands for amateur tv, also known as ham tv" They marked it wrong and then told me that "the correct answer is an All-Terrain Vehhicle that is equipped with an amateur radio set. There is't any such thing as amateur tv or ham tv. THAT IS purposely keeping people out. If that's the case, you only had to file a complaint. You clearly didn't take your test with an FCC examiner. More likely a VE, or at an ARRL event, or hamfest. FCC takes testing irregularities seriously. What your suggesting, here, is a crime. If taken with an FCC examiner, your experience would have been highly public, at a testing event, and there would be many witnesses. Witnesses to not only support your claim but to file complaints of their own. FCC examiners at the event would have been summarily terminated. And you'd be permitted to retest again. At no cost to you. If you took your test with a VE, at a hamfest, a single complaint can get a VE summarily decertified while the merit of your complaint is evaluated. Again, there would be witnesses, and supporting complaints. And you would have been redirected to another VE for retesting. That said, your complaint, here, is quite difficult to swallow. First of all, all government issued tests, and that includes FCC and even FAA tests, which should give us all pause, are required to publish and maike available both the pool of questions AND their answers to anyone interested in testing. Non published questions are NOT permitted on the tests. This has the force of law. That means your phoney ham tests is an allegation of a criminal act. Believe me when I tell you, anyone observing this would raise holy hell if anyone were turned away based on a 'phoney' test. In this litigious society, the lawsuits would far outlive your interest in amateur radio. And finally, there has been amateur TV since before there was TV. If you have really studied your theory and legal elements, you would know that a portion of many of the bands are set aside for slow-scan TV on HF and fast scan TV VHF and above. There IS amateur TV. And any study materials you'd have access to would include it. So your story is false on its face. And you've neither studied code in earnest (outside of the Cub Scout and Boy Scout merit badges) nor any of the elements. And one other thing...if you really expect us to believe your complaint, it may be useful to not go to such lengths to remain anonymous. Many, here, use handles and nicknames, we've come to correspond with them privately, many have done business with some of them, bought and sold radios, shared schematics...You're clearly not willing to participate in any of that. And as such seem to be only about the bitch, and not about the hobby, as your absurd anecdote attests. If you'd like to try again, and if you're genuinely interested in pursuing amateur radio, try being more of a participant. And a little more genuine. You'll find that amateurs, as a whole, are a pretty inclusive bunch. And any obstacles you face will be non-issues in the wake of the juggernaut of knowledge and experience that will come your way. p |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.amateur.misc,
rec.radio.cb, rec.radio.shortwave From: John Smith I on Wed, Feb 28 2007 8:19 am Subject: ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams policy-ham wrote: Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as for the rest of us? W1AW Special Event, Midnight Exam Sessions to Mark New Amateur Rules snip of much-repeated "news" item ph: Since 1995 the hand writing on the wall spelled out the doom of CW. JS, that evolved in ALL radio services from a much earlier period. In general the experiences of and with radio communications during World War 2 was the "Great Awakener." However, the sheer momentum which was built up by the dyed-in-wool hardcore CW'ers carried it on. Time and time again resurrected it from its' tomb and breathed life anew in CWs' brittle bones. In amateur radio that may be exaggerated but true. The built-in fact of amateur radio being basically a hobby makes it ultra-conservative insofar as actual innovation and experimentation is concerned. Hobbies are a pasttime for most and thus there is less time available for participants to either learn more, keep up with, or actually do operating. As a result, many prefer the "tried-and-true" methods and modes they are used to, or feel comfortable with. Underneath all of that amateur radio activity is the long-term but subtle emotional influence of amateur- radio-oriented media, namely the enormous quantity of publications of the ARRL. The ARRL has kept the Mythos of Morse alive for decades, decades longer than it deserves as a communications means. The enormity of their publications base has been in existance for so many decades that few members are aware of their (insidious) influence on their thinking. The arrl, being the professional politicians (or, as I like to refer to ALL politicians--public butt lickers) they are, make the proper noises and finally let lose the grip they had on the dead and bony fingers of CW. However, don't be fooled. They only do so because even they have woken to the fact there will be no resurrecting CW another time and do not wish their true motives to be seen in the light of day. Now they seek to shore up the old and ancient myths and class systems which has made amateur radio a good ole boys club and placed it under their control. In all fairness and logic, SURVIVAL of anything is the most important human motivator. Politicians, organizations, and corporations all have a basic need to SURVIVE. They must cater to their constituency or target market to do this. The ARRL can be summed up as having two basic components: A publishing house (prime) and a membership organization (secondary). ARRL's annual reportable income exceeds the million-dollar value by at least an order of magnitude; they reported higher-than-ten-million dollars income to the IRS four years ago. They could NOT have achieved that just from annual member dues. An oft-used argument is that the ARRL offers "so many 'free' services." The ARRL VEC exam fees are the top of the limit yet some of the other seven (?) VECs charge less. The ARRL offers "help" on license renewals and paperwork to the FCC. That is just lip-gloss since: (1) There is NO charge to any licensed amateur at the FCC except for Vanity call applications; (2) Paperwork handling AT the FCC for license adminstrative matters is no more difficult to do on the Internet OR by mail than through the ARRL (as an intermediary). Back before the Internet went public in 1991, it was very convenient to have the ARRL "represent all radio amateurs" in lobbying and legal-speaking to the FCC. Most citizens tend to shirk direct talking/communicating with their government (although some have done so and effectively so). Having a legal firm on retainer IN Washington, DC, is more effective than individual citizens writing letters from Montana, Arizona, Hawaii, or Oregon, all several time zones away from DC and days of postal delivery away. [CT is in the same time zone as DC and physically much closer than, say, most-populous California] Radio amateurs tended to prefer someone "speaking for them" so that they would have more time to play with their radios. Another argument of those championing the ARRL is that they "have a democratic-principled representation" through their own established Districts and "elections." Actually, there are NO similarities to our federal government's democratic principles and practices; the only similarity is to several national fraternal orders, all private organizations. Supposedly there is a "third-party observer" to ARRL elections, but that is NOT anything similar to the built-in Checks and Balances of the real federal government. Those federal (and local) Checks and Balances DO NOT APPLY to private membership organizations. Yet the IMPLICATION of similarity is so often done that it has become just-another-urban-myth, emotional sustenance for its membership. The ARRL remains a MINORITY special-interest-group in US amateur radio...yet they imply (often) that they "represent all [US] amateurs." The ARRL only publishes a CLUE as to their membership totals twice a year; In the "publishers sworn statement" about QST, the member- ship magazine of the ARRL. ARRL membership is still only a quarter of all US amateur radio licensees. QST survives as a periodical on its advertisers ad purchases. QST is the major periodical target for manufacturers and service-providers of the amateur radio market. QST has a virtual (if not de facto) monopoly as an amateur radio advertising medium in the USA. Note: Three other INDEPENDENT amateur radio interest periodicals have survived for over a double decade of existance of each yet two have had to close or sell. Their incomes depended on advertising space sales. When the ad monies diminished those independents did not have the demographics to attract enough advertisers as compared to the ARRL. The number of members keeps QST demographics high, thus it serves to keep its survival intact...and serve as a free advertising medium for its OWN products and services. Beware, the future will only bring more stealth, deception and disinformation from the arrl as they seek to maintain the status quo on what is left of their control freak, class system and good ole boys club which they have established for amateur radio. They need to have their dead old fingers pried from its' death grip they maintain on amateur radio. Human life expectancy will take care of that. Eventually the core membership of the ARRL and its chieftans will understand that this new millennium is NOT the same as it was in the 1930 to 1960 period when They were young (and supposedly vibrant). Times and tecnology have changed enormously yet the Mythos persist on the "necessity" to hold to the old, old standards. However, to retain their CONTROL ("they know what is good for ham radio") while they still live (and rule) they must insure that the Big Publishing House survives. That income is what gives them the perquisites and power of quasi-rule over others. They MUST acquiesce their quaint old ideas and mythos however much that hurts their psyches. WE still have time to see the Change happening...but I am not optimistic about it. 73s, |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 28, 5:46�pm, John Smith I wrote:
wrote: * ... Len: Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their web page. JS, amateur radio is not even close to their main task of regulating ALL civil radio in the USA. However, they could make a small link to www.ncvec.org if they bothered. For real complaints, you might address the FCC on why they do NOT bother with many updates of the amateur radio page under the Wireless Bureau. They haven't kept that updated but sporadically since the NPRM on Restructuring (FCC 98-143) came out in 1998. *This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then the toothless old grumps deserve. I'd say the NCVEC is reasonably up-to-date given their voluntary task of coming up with new QPs every three years or so. The ARRL is only part of the VEC. *And, I have complained about this ... I will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta private hands and influence! Sorry, but the privatization of radio operator testing put that in very private hands of the COLEM and the VEC. I haven't looked for a COLEM QPC but have no doubt it exists somewhere. My First 'Phone that morphed into a GROL went lifetime, no renewal and I have no need to go look for that commercial pool. The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here. That's a subjective opinion, JS, and I won't fault Carl S. on what he has done and stated in various places. I disagreed with what NCI did NOT do immediately on FCC 06-178 when it first broke news last December...but then NCI is really an international movement, not strictly one for the USA. While the USA is a LATE-comer on tossing the morse code exam internationally, there still exist other countries who have kept it, one way or another. In my opinion, NCI could either dissolve or change away from being USA-oriented with a different direction. NCI's basic goals have largely been realized and, in that, was a success to my mind. As long as there is money to be made from publishing to a niche hobby activity, the ARRL will be firmly entrenched. Human attrition will eventually cause their metamorphosis. 73, LA |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
John Smith I wrote:
wrote: ... 73s, Len: Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their web page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then the toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ... I will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta private hands and influence! The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here. Regards, JS I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean here. The Amateur Radio question pool was developed by a committee composed of representatives from the various Volunteer Examination Coordinator organizations noot the FCC. The questions are posted on the Internet and are available for anyone to view. If you go to www.qrz.com you will find a routine that will allow you to take a sample quiz. If you do this enough times you will be able to pass the various level tests. The ARRL does not have anything near exclusivity in this process. They only have one vote in the process. I don't know exactly how many other organizations there are but I know of at least three. As for replacing the ARRL as an orginization feel free to do so. So far they are the only group to stay in business. Dave WD9BDZ |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
|
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
David G. Nagel wrote:
... I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean here. The Amateur Radio question pool was developed by a committee composed of representatives from the various Volunteer Examination Coordinator organizations noot the FCC. The questions are posted on the Internet and are available for anyone to view. If you go to www.qrz.com you will find a routine that will allow you to take a sample quiz. If you do this enough times you will be able to pass the various level tests. The ARRL does not have anything near exclusivity in this process. They only have one vote in the process. I don't know exactly how many other organizations there are but I know of at least three. As for replacing the ARRL as an orginization feel free to do so. So far they are the only group to stay in business. Dave WD9BDZ Well, exactly! Get rid of these fools and let the FCC set the exams ... gawd, that doesn't take an einstein does it? I am all for private enterprise, however, when we talk about laws, guidelines are rules governing pubic properties--we as "the people" only have that right ... Regards, JS |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Actually, I should have been more clear on this.
Our representatives, and though the gov't agencies they design, should set these "rules and regulations." "We the people", should vote in and support only those representatives which serve us and our public interests. Yanno, like they are supposed to work in our best interests? Yanno, like the public airwaves are a natural resource given man by his creator. And, since we realize that some of us "common citizens" might work in our own best interests if not watched closely, may indulge in stuffing our own pockets if not watched closely, may use "public resources" for our own personal use and that of our friends if NOT watched closely, so that we may pay attention and CLOSELY to giving all citizens use of their creator given resources. In my humble opinon this has not been done for decades past, indeed, the same old protectionist policies and guidelines are being hoisted upon us again. We need the FCC to accept total control of these things, away from public enterprise and interests. We need the public servants to control these things so we can kick their butt when they start working in their own interests. The arrl has been working in its' own best interests for decades. They have been able to do so because the avg citizen is ignorant. The avg citizen doesn't even know how to wire an electrical outlet in their own home--let alone build an xmitter or power amp. Get real, time for private interests to be kicked out of control of public airwaves! Regards, JS |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
"John Smith I" wrote in message ... wrote: ... 73s, Len: Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their web page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then the toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ... I will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta private hands and influence! The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here. Regards, JS There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool Committee and create the pool and maintain it. Since the question pool is available in its entirety for free from a number of websites and since the FCC does not create nor maintain the pool, there is little reason for it to be on the FCC web site. Dee, N8UZE |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in message ... wrote: ... 73s, Len: Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their web page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then the toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ... I will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta private hands and influence! The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here. Regards, JS There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool Committee and create the pool and maintain it. Since the question pool is available in its entirety for free from a number of websites and since the FCC does not create nor maintain the pool, there is little reason for it to be on the FCC web site. Dee, N8UZE Did I vote for these VECs? Are these VECs responsible to me under law? Do these VECs' use public resource monies, and if so, why? Were these VEC elected? Appointed by a congressman of mine? By the house? By the senate? Tell me more about why these VECs should have their A$$E$ kicked down the stairwell ... JS |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
"John Smith I" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith I" wrote in message ... wrote: ... 73s, Len: Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their web page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then the toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ... I will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta private hands and influence! The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here. Regards, JS There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool Committee and create the pool and maintain it. Since the question pool is available in its entirety for free from a number of websites and since the FCC does not create nor maintain the pool, there is little reason for it to be on the FCC web site. Dee, N8UZE Did I vote for these VECs? Are these VECs responsible to me under law? Do these VECs' use public resource monies, and if so, why? Were these VEC elected? Appointed by a congressman of mine? By the house? By the senate? Tell me more about why these VECs should have their A$$E$ kicked down the stairwell ... JS No, you did not vote for the VECs. However, anyone could have sent an objection to the FCC if they thought a given organization was unsuitable for this program. Yes they are responsible to you under the law since they are accountable to the FCC. If any VEC (these are organizations by the way), is found to be remiss in its duties, they can loose their standing as a VEC. At the time the system was being developed, any organization could have applied and if they met the FCC's standards could have been certified as a VEC. Yes the VECs are responsible to you under the law since you have both the right and responsibility to file a complaint with the FCC if you find that they are not acting according to the requirements of the FCC. The VECs do not use any public resource monies. The expenses of testing are covered by the testing fees, which are set by the FCC. The VECs were selected and appointed by the FCC from various organizations applying for this task. You may not like the VE system, but amateur radio experienced a surge of growth once exams became available at times and locations that candidates could get with ease and without having to take time off work. Dee, N8UZE |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith I" wrote in message ... wrote: ... 73s, Len: Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their web page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then the toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ... I will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta private hands and influence! The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here. Regards, JS There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool Committee and create the pool and maintain it. Since the question pool is available in its entirety for free from a number of websites and since the FCC does not create nor maintain the pool, there is little reason for it to be on the FCC web site. Dee, N8UZE Did I vote for these VECs? Are these VECs responsible to me under law? Do these VECs' use public resource monies, and if so, why? Were these VEC elected? Appointed by a congressman of mine? By the house? By the senate? Tell me more about why these VECs should have their A$$E$ kicked down the stairwell ... JS No, you did not vote for the VECs. However, anyone could have sent an objection to the FCC if they thought a given organization was unsuitable for this program. Yes they are responsible to you under the law since they are accountable to the FCC. If any VEC (these are organizations by the way), is found to be remiss in its duties, they can loose their standing as a VEC. At the time the system was being developed, any organization could have applied and if they met the FCC's standards could have been certified as a VEC. Yes the VECs are responsible to you under the law since you have both the right and responsibility to file a complaint with the FCC if you find that they are not acting according to the requirements of the FCC. The VECs do not use any public resource monies. The expenses of testing are covered by the testing fees, which are set by the FCC. The VECs were selected and appointed by the FCC from various organizations applying for this task. You may not like the VE system, but amateur radio experienced a surge of growth once exams became available at times and locations that candidates could get with ease and without having to take time off work. Dee, N8UZE I want them gone, gov't bureaucrats are enough to put up with, private sector idiots sneaking into gov't regs, rules, exams and policy is much more than any citizen should endure. I already pay taxes to have these things taken care of, they don't need to hire maids and butlers to do their work ... JS |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
John Smith I wrote:
Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith I" wrote in message ... wrote: ... 73s, Len: Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their web page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then the toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ... I will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta private hands and influence! The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here. Regards, JS There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool Committee and create the pool and maintain it. Since the question pool is available in its entirety for free from a number of websites and since the FCC does not create nor maintain the pool, there is little reason for it to be on the FCC web site. Dee, N8UZE Did I vote for these VECs? Are these VECs responsible to me under law? Do these VECs' use public resource monies, and if so, why? Were these VEC elected? Appointed by a congressman of mine? By the house? By the senate? Tell me more about why these VECs should have their A$$E$ kicked down the stairwell ... JS JS You can become a VEC if you so desire. All you have to do is find enough hams to support your efforts and create an organization to conduct examination sessions. There is nothing magic about the VEC. It just takes a lot of unpaid work on the part of a lot of people. Yes some get paid to process the paperwork and file the actual application for your license. No one is getting rich on this program. Dave WD9BDZ |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 28, 7:15�pm, John Smith I wrote:
wrote: * ... * *That's a subjective opinion, JS, and I won't fault Carl S. on * *what he has done and stated in various places. *I disagreed * *with what NCI did NOT do immediately on FCC 06-178 when * *it first broke news last December...but then NCI is really * *an international movement, not strictly one for the USA. Subjective? *Well ya, all you see in my posts are one mans humble opinoions. *But then, the president pulls his pants on one leg at a time (well, I believe he does!) and no mans opinion counts more than mine--not even his! All of that depends on the mindset of the "men" you are in the company of...(he said, jangling English syntax) NCI has REAL relevance, in my humble opinion ... your mileage may vary. I agree but conditionally. I think it has POTENTIAL relevance. The IARU started the code revolution in prompting for the re-write of most of S25 at WRC-03...the WRC that made it possible for individual adminstrations to toss the code test at THEIR option. * *While the USA is a LATE-comer on tossing the morse code * *exam internationally, there still exist other countries who have * *kept it, one way or another. Hmmm. Yep, we may be dumb, but we can always point out someone dumber! sticks-out-tongue Oh, no...groan not slob-humor old movies again...! * *In my opinion, NCI could either dissolve or change away from * *being USA-oriented with a different direction. *NCI's basic * *goals have largely been realized and, in that, was a success * *to my mind. Yep, time for NCI to step into phase two, hope Carl is "psychic" enough to realize that! * *As long as there is money to be made from publishing to a * *niche hobby activity, the ARRL will be firmly entrenched. * *Human attrition will eventually cause their metamorphosis. * *73, LA Time for the "common ham" to fire up. * Setup some web pages with training, "elmering", etc. *Heck, where is the group rec.radio.amateur.new-licensees ??? *Instead, we have self-protecionist hams creating groups like "rec.radio.amateur.good-ole-boys-club" THIS newsgroup was a "good-ol-boys-club" when I first found it on DejaVu. There was no end of morsemen in here putting down ANYONE who didn't love, honor, cherish and obey morse code. Krist, Dee has better ideas than most, that alone should shame us into better behavior and efforts ... are we men or are we mice? Wayyyyy too many anony-mousies in here. :-) 73, LA |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
David G. Nagel wrote:
... You can become a VEC if you so desire. All you have to do is find enough hams to support your efforts and create an organization to conduct examination sessions. There is nothing magic about the VEC. It just takes a lot of unpaid work on the part of a lot of people. Yes some get paid to process the paperwork and file the actual application for your license. No one is getting rich on this program. Dave WD9BDZ Dave: Actually, I know all this ... I don't like the system. Gives too much power to the forces I am opposed to ... but then, you already knew that ... Regards, JS |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
|
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Brenda Ann wrote:
I want them gone, gov't bureaucrats are enough to put up with, private sector idiots sneaking into gov't regs, rules, exams and policy is much more than any citizen should endure. I already pay taxes to have these things taken care of, they don't need to hire maids and butlers to do their work ... Well, most of us don't. Fact is, there are very very few FCC field offices left. People from Oregon would have to go to Seattle or San Francisco to take their tests (as would hams from Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, etc.. ) I was fortunate when I originally got my ham ticket that the Portland field office was still in existance. It's no longer there. Most can't take the time off work in the middle of the week to drive 200 miles (more or less, from Portland to Seattle) just to take a test. With the Volunteer Examiner program, it allows hams to take tests usually at a place within a few miles of their own home town, with flexible times, usually on a weekend when they don't have to give up valuable work time. Well, I feel for ya Brenda Ann ... But trading convenience for right is a mistake ... but then, you already know that. Warmest regards, JS |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Personally, I think you're just acrybaby. Nope. I'm not crying about it and never have. I don't need any stinking ham bands. I have fifty-nine channels (actually more) that I can legally use without any liscence whatsoever. With a GMRS liscence, I can use sixteen more channels for a total of seventy-five channels (actually more) that I can legally use without a ham liscence at all. And recently, someoe at my house just purchased a new "two way radio" that gives me an extra FRS channel that doesn't use any of the standard 14 FRS channels and doesn't use any of te GMRS channel;s, and is perfectly legal for use in the U.S. It was even advertised as "use it at sporting events and shopping malls to stay in contact with your family and friends".and as "two- watt radio". I'm not sure what the range is of it yet. I'll test it out when the weather gets warmer. This radio also doesn't have any way of monitoring for other people's transmissions before you tansmit. But you don't need to since it automatically sends a code that ollows only the people in your group to heaar it, You can't set it to hear other people's transmissions even if you try to., even if they're on the same channel. And it can't be picked up by radio scanners the genreal public uses, it can't be picked up by frs radios that use the standard 14 frs channels. It can't be picked up by GMRS radios or ham radios either. Although I'm sure the hams will try to. It seems to truly be a radio with your own private lFRS channel. And yes, it's FCC-approved. So don't give me any of this "you're using an illegal radio transmitter on frequencies you're not authorized to transmit on" garbage. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 11, 10:26 pm, james wrote:
On 11 Feb 2007 13:45:13 -0800, "policy-ham" wrote: +++Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as +++for the rest of us? ************** Just think of it this way, you know more than they will by knowing how to use Morse Code at any speed. Now you hae a conversation with some otehr Ham that knows CW and the newbies wont understand what your talking about. Think of it as a benefit, not as disadvantage. james I disagree. Not know more. Just know different. Other people have said there hasn't been any new improvements in ham radio technology in decades. The morse code requirement was probably holding them back. Look at other industries. The latest improvements made were made by people not familiar with the old technology, but familiar with the newer technology. In the computer industry, most of the recent improvements have been made by people not familiar with the punch card sysyem. If they were still required to learn and use the punch-card system, they wouldn't have as much time to study all the newer technologies and the improvements either wouldn't have gotten made at all, or at least not as fast. They would still bee stuck uing the old very slow computers that use punch cards. The same goes for a lot of other industries, also. Although with other things instead of computers and punch cards. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
"John Smith" wrote in message ... David G. Nagel wrote: ... You can become a VEC if you so desire. All you have to do is find enough hams to support your efforts and create an organization to conduct examination sessions. There is nothing magic about the VEC. It just takes a lot of unpaid work on the part of a lot of people. Yes some get paid to process the paperwork and file the actual application for your license. No one is getting rich on this program. Dave WD9BDZ Dave: Actually, I know all this ... I don't like the system. Gives too much power to the forces I am opposed to ... but then, you already knew that ... Regards, JS So you want to give this much power to the government?? Not me. This was an extremely progressive idea and actually gives a great deal of control to the people. It maximizes the personal freedom and choices of the participants. Would you really like to go back to the repressive "old" day?? Dee, N8UZE |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
"John Smith I" wrote in message ... Brenda Ann wrote: I want them gone, gov't bureaucrats are enough to put up with, private sector idiots sneaking into gov't regs, rules, exams and policy is much more than any citizen should endure. I already pay taxes to have these things taken care of, they don't need to hire maids and butlers to do their work ... Well, most of us don't. Fact is, there are very very few FCC field offices left. People from Oregon would have to go to Seattle or San Francisco to take their tests (as would hams from Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, etc.. ) I was fortunate when I originally got my ham ticket that the Portland field office was still in existance. It's no longer there. Most can't take the time off work in the middle of the week to drive 200 miles (more or less, from Portland to Seattle) just to take a test. With the Volunteer Examiner program, it allows hams to take tests usually at a place within a few miles of their own home town, with flexible times, usually on a weekend when they don't have to give up valuable work time. Well, I feel for ya Brenda Ann ... But trading convenience for right is a mistake ... but then, you already know that. Warmest regards, JS The Volunteer Examiner program puts control where it belongs, directly in the hands of the citizens rather than the government. The government then takes its rightful place in promulgating, administering and enforcing the rules rather than dealing with all the minutia on a day to day basis required to run the program itself. Michigan has done the same thing with its driver's licensing. Both the written and driving tests have been contracted out to private companies. The state monitors the program and handles the broader functions such as maintaining the database and enforcement. Dee, N8UZE |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
------------ wrote:
But you don't need to since it automatically sends a code that ollows only the people in your group to heaar it, You can't set it to hear other people's transmissions even if you try to., even if they're on the same channel. PL tones are nothing new and anybody can tune into the same frequency and PL... -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Mar 1, 3:15�pm, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message ... David G. Nagel wrote: ... You can become a VEC if you so desire. All you have to do is find enough hams to support your efforts and create an organization to conduct examination sessions. There is nothing magic about the VEC. It just takes a lot of unpaid work on the part of a lot of people. Yes some get paid to process the paperwork and file the actual application for your license. No one is getting rich on this program. Dave WD9BDZ Dave: Actually, I know all this ... I don't like the system. Gives too much power to the forces I am opposed to ... but then, you already knew that ... So you want to give this much power to the government?? Not me. *This was an extremely progressive idea and actually gives a great deal of control to the people. *It maximizes the personal freedom and choices of the participants. Would you really like to go back to the repressive "old" day?? I don't regard privatization as "progressive," only economical for the government...and, perhaps, less economical for the individual depending on where they live relative to any testing location. COLEMs have it a bit easier since they can both teach a commercial licensee and test them in a continuous course. That is more convenient for the newbie commercial license applicant. That is similar to school courses with the FCC exam as the "final." VECs - usually - do not sequentially teach and then test. They can if they so desire, but few VEs are qualified or have experience as teachers. VEs can proctor a test with little experience other than handling paper and seeing that all the blanks are properly filled-in and check answer sheets against a template. That is not a Masters or Doctorate level work. :-) 73, LA |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Dee Flint wrote:
... The Volunteer Examiner program puts control where it belongs, directly in the hands of the citizens rather than the government. The government then takes its rightful place in promulgating, administering and enforcing the rules rather than dealing with all the minutia on a day to day basis required to run the program itself. ... Dee, N8UZE If you are speaking about putting control in all 350 million citizens hands (well, those over 18 and citizens of the united states) in some form of vote--ABSOLUTELY! If you are speaking about putting control in only those hands which possess amateur tickets--ABSOLUTELY NOT! A gov't agency, responsible to ALL citizens of the US is then the correct means to implement a democratic republic. But then, you already knew that from your HS and college civic classes ... Letting the fox run the hen house is NOT American! JS |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Dee Flint wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith I" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: "John Smith I" wrote in message ... wrote: ... 73s, Len: Just for starters, it pieces me off that the FCC doesn't even host the download of the amateur pool questions "right-out-and-openly" on their web page. This alone gives the VEC and arrl MUCH more credibility then the toothless old grumps deserve. And, I have complained about this ... I will continue to do so, use the public funds and keep this outta private hands and influence! The arrl need to go, and Carl is NOT looking like a good replacement with NCI when he boot licks ... amateur radio needs a new start and some new blood ... someone needs to kick some real booty here. Regards, JS There are at least 12 VECs. These VECs create a Question Pool Committee and create the pool and maintain it. Since the question pool is available in its entirety for free from a number of websites and since the FCC does not create nor maintain the pool, there is little reason for it to be on the FCC web site. Dee, N8UZE Did I vote for these VECs? Are these VECs responsible to me under law? Do these VECs' use public resource monies, and if so, why? Were these VEC elected? Appointed by a congressman of mine? By the house? By the senate? Tell me more about why these VECs should have their A$$E$ kicked down the stairwell ... JS No, you did not vote for the VECs. However, anyone could have sent an objection to the FCC if they thought a given organization was unsuitable for this program. Yes they are responsible to you under the law since they are accountable to the FCC. If any VEC (these are organizations by the way), is found to be remiss in its duties, they can loose their standing as a VEC. At the time the system was being developed, any organization could have applied and if they met the FCC's standards could have been certified as a VEC. Yes the VECs are responsible to you under the law since you have both the right and responsibility to file a complaint with the FCC if you find that they are not acting according to the requirements of the FCC. The VECs do not use any public resource monies. The expenses of testing are covered by the testing fees, which are set by the FCC. The VECs were selected and appointed by the FCC from various organizations applying for this task. You may not like the VE system, but amateur radio experienced a surge of growth once exams became available at times and locations that candidates could get with ease and without having to take time off work. Dee, N8UZE I want them gone, gov't bureaucrats are enough to put up with, private sector idiots sneaking into gov't regs, rules, exams and policy is much more than any citizen should endure. I already pay taxes to have these things taken care of, they don't need to hire maids and butlers to do their work ... JS Be sure to include the proposed tax increase for funding when you get the FCC to resume doing the testing. Their budget no longer includes money for such as they are getting the testing done for FREE by volunteers like myself. Dee, N8UZE Yep, FCC should design/implement the exam forms and get the money it costs to print/disperse and implement said exams--the citizens pay for this, naturally, there is no "money tree" which provides money, we the citizens foot EVERY cost of ours, whether someone hides these costs from us or not. That is American, we pay our own way here. JS |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:42 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
RadioBanter.com