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ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as
for the rest of us? W1AW Special Event, Midnight Exam Sessions to Mark New Amateur Rules NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, eliminating the Morse code requirement, Hiram Percy Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will mark the milestone with a weekend-long special event. In addition, a number of Central Connecticut volunteer examiners will be on hand at ARRL Headquarters -- both before and after the new rules become effective at 12:01 AM EST -- to offer Amateur Radio examinations under both the current and new rules. ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist Dan Henderson, N1ND, is helping to coordinate the celebration. He says Headquarters staff and other volunteers will keep W1AW active for the "Welcome Weekend" event. "W1AW will be on the air all weekend for this special event to celebrate the fact that so many amateurs have gained or will earn new privileges as a result of the rule changes," he said. "The station will operate starting at 12:01 AM Eastern Time on Friday, February 23, continuing into the wee hours and resuming operation during the day. Then W1AW will be on the air on both days of the weekend, from 10 AM until 5 PM -- perhaps longer as conditions and enthusiasm dictate." Operation will be on both SSB and CW. W1AW operators will concentrate their activities on the Technician and General class HF subbands. On SSB, the station will use its normal phone frequencies -- 1.855, 3.990, 7.290, 14.290, 18.160 and 21.390 MHz. On 10 meters, W1AW will operate SSB on or about 28.480 MHz. Henderson says operating will be casual unless pileups develop. "The purpose is to welcome newcomers to new privileges," he said. "First Contact" certificates will be available as part of this event. ARRL invites anyone making a first contact or first HF contact to enter the contact information on the ARRL "Welcome Weekend" Web site and receive a certificate in return. "If the first contact is with W1AW we will also be including a W1AW QSL card for the contact," Henderson added. The ARRL anticipates a huge influx of upgrade applications once the Morse code requirement disappears. In addition, all Technician licensees will have limited HF privileges starting February 23, whether or not they've passed a Morse code test. Amateur Radio exam sessions both before and after the zero hour will offer an opportunity for applicants either to upgrade under the outgoing licensing rules at the last possible opportunity or under the new licensing rules at the first possible opportunity. "Dual exam sessions are scheduled at ARRL Headquarters around the effective time of the new licensing rules," says Brennan Price, N4QX, a former ARRL staff member and an ARRL VEC volunteer examiner. "At 11 PM on February 22, a session will be held for candidates wishing to upgrade under the existing rules. A few folks have expressed interest in such a session." Price says all Amateur Radio written and telegraphy elements will be offered until midnight. "At 12:01 AM February 23, a second session will begin under the new licensing rules," he said. "Examiners will not only be evaluating previously earned Certificates of Successful Completion of Exam (CSCEs) for upgrades, but will be offering all written elements." Two teams of volunteer examiners will be on site until all applicants have been served. On or after February 23, applicants upgrading on the basis of a valid CSCE must present the certificate for element credit, fill out an application and pay any applicable exam session fee, which most VECs charge. Only after the VE team has issued a CSCE for upgrade credit may applicants actually use their new operating privileges on the air. Additional Welcome Weekend information will be available on the ARRL Web site in the days leading up to February 23. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
policy-ham wrote:
Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as for the rest of us? Well, I'm not sure of your point, but from the title of the post, you seem to be somewhat negative...("ARRL Now Only Wants...") I don't think that's all they want, but more of a case of that's all there is, thanks to the FCC. The ARRL is just accepting the reality of the situation. 1) ANY organization generally wants to preserve itself (Gee, I know this comes as a big surprise). If due to *FCC* action (beyond the control of the ARRL), all that there is are new, no-code hams, why shouldn't the ARRL welcome them? 2) Read point one above again. This was an *FCC action*, beyond the control of the ARRL; the ARRL can welcome the newbies or put their tail between their legs and slink off into the night... 3) You ask "What happens to the rest of us?" I am sure the ARRL would be glad to welcome us as new members and/or keep us as existing members. Why would you suspect anything different? Carter, K8VT 20 wpm Extra Proud ARRL member since 1959 |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On 11 Feb 2007 13:45:13 -0800, "policy-ham"
wrote: +++Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as +++for the rest of us? ************** Just think of it this way, you know more than they will by knowing how to use Morse Code at any speed. Now you hae a conversation with some otehr Ham that knows CW and the newbies wont understand what your talking about. Think of it as a benefit, not as disadvantage. james |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 11, 4:45 pm, "policy-ham" wrote:
Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. I'm not sure I understand your statement. If you really mean the "ARRL want's only nocode hams" then you must believe all hams that have passed the code test will no longer be welcome at the ARRL and memberships will not be renewed. Do you really believe that? Lets not forget the ARRL and it's aging membership really has no choice when it comes to accepting hams that have passed all currently required tests. The ARRL should make plans for liquidation if they choose otherwise. And as for the rest of us? What do the rest of you (hams that passed a morse code test) want from the ARRL. Would they like to retake the code test as a measure of defiance? Maybe a bordered certificate suitable for framing that proclaims: I Passed The Code Test at (insert speed). And I Practiced This Long (insert number of times code tapes replayed). W1AW Special Event, Midnight Exam Sessions to Mark New Amateur Rules NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, eliminating the Morse code requirement, Hiram Percy Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will mark the milestone with a weekend-long special event. In addition, a number of Central Connecticut volunteer examiners will be on hand at ARRL Headquarters -- both before and after the new rules become effective at 12:01 AM EST -- to offer Amateur Radio examinations under both the current and new rules. For heavens sake why offer the test under the old rules at the 11th hour? Reads like the ARRL is encouraging a "We vs They" mentality among the old guard. What's next...will the no code licensees have a special marker on their QST address label? ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist Dan Henderson, N1ND, is helping to coordinate the celebration. He says Headquarters staff and other volunteers will keep W1AW active for the "Welcome Weekend" event. "W1AW will be on the air all weekend for this special event to celebrate the fact that so many amateurs have gained or will earn new privileges as a result of the rule changes," he said. "The station will operate starting at 12:01 AM Eastern Time on Friday, February 23, continuing into the wee hours and resuming operation during the day. Then W1AW will be on the air on both days of the weekend, from 10 AM until 5 PM -- perhaps longer as conditions and enthusiasm dictate." Operation will be on both SSB and CW. W1AW operators will concentrate their activities on the Technician and General class HF subbands. On SSB, the station will use its normal phone frequencies -- 1.855, 3.990, 7.290, 14.290, 18.160 and 21.390 MHz. On 10 meters, W1AW will operate SSB on or about 28.480 MHz. Henderson says operating will be casual unless pileups develop. "The purpose is to welcome newcomers to new privileges," he said. "First Contact" certificates will be available as part of this event. ARRL invites anyone making a first contact or first HF contact to enter the contact information on the ARRL "Welcome Weekend" Web site and receive a certificate in return. "If the first contact is with W1AW we will also be including a W1AW QSL card for the contact," Henderson added. The ARRL anticipates a huge influx of upgrade applications once the Morse code requirement disappears. In addition, all Technician licensees will have limited HF privileges starting February 23, whether or not they've passed a Morse code test. Amateur Radio exam sessions both before and after the zero hour will offer an opportunity for applicants either to upgrade under the outgoing licensing rules at the last possible opportunity or under the new licensing rules at the first possible opportunity. "Dual exam sessions are scheduled at ARRL Headquarters around the effective time of the new licensing rules," says Brennan Price, N4QX, a former ARRL staff member and an ARRL VEC volunteer examiner. "At 11 PM on February 22, a session will be held for candidates wishing to upgrade under the existing rules. A few folks have expressed interest in such a session." Price says all Amateur Radio written and telegraphy elements will be offered until midnight. "At 12:01 AM February 23, a second session will begin under the new licensing rules," he said. "Examiners will not only be evaluating previously earned Certificates of Successful Completion of Exam (CSCEs) for upgrades, but will be offering all written elements." Two teams of volunteer examiners will be on site until all applicants have been served. On or after February 23, applicants upgrading on the basis of a valid CSCE must present the certificate for element credit, fill out an application and pay any applicable exam session fee, which most VECs charge. Only after the VE team has issued a CSCE for upgrade credit may applicants actually use their new operating privileges on the air. Additional Welcome Weekend information will be available on the ARRL Web site in the days leading up to February 23. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, You realize that the 23rd, when you divide 2 by 3, you'll get 666, the devil's area code? Sounds like a bad omen to me.... :-) |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On 11 Feb 2007 13:45:13 -0800, "policy-ham"
wrote: Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as for the rest of us? I'm an ARRL member and I haven't gotten an email canceling my membership. If they dumped all us coders they'er membership would go down to almost zero. It ain't gonna happen. The ARRL welcomes everyone. KG8PM |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
What do the rest of you (hams that passed a morse code test) want from the ARRL. Would they like to retake the code test as a measure of defiance? Maybe a bordered certificate suitable for framing that proclaims: I Passed The Code Test at (insert speed). And I Practiced This Long (insert number of times code tapes replayed). Receive code? Hell, I had to SEND code when I took my test at the FCC field office! :-) |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
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ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 12, 5:35 pm, robert casey wrote:
NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, You realize that the 23rd, when you divide 2 by 3, you'll get 666, the devil's area code? Sounds like a bad omen to me.... :-) Sounds kind of hellish to me. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 12, 2:35�pm, robert casey wrote:
NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, You realize that the 23rd, when you divide 2 by 3, you'll get 666, the devil's area code? * Sounds like a bad omen to me.... * *:-) Sorry, that is a SERIOUS FACTUAL ERROR!!! Dividing 2 by 3 results in the decimal fraction 0.66666666666666... That is NOT the Bible's reference to "the number of the beast." |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
"policy-ham" wrote in message oups.com... Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as for the rest of us? Not true what you say about the ARRL. Amateur radio is only as good as the effort you put into it. If you can't do code, you cannot communicate with a huge subset of the amateur population. That is a fact. You never will be able to so until your learn code, FCC requirement or no FCC requirement. There is some DX you will never get, some countries you may never contact, many people you will never meet. Some no-coders sound like the gay rights lobby: They seem to be trying to make no-code the "norm". "I want you to think I am normal". "I am as just good as you, I can do HF now, I can be a real 'Ham'". (Gays can get "married"). True by regulation, but not really in practice. In the foreseeable future you will never truly be a ham until you can QSO in code; you will only hold a piece of paper authorizing you to communicate on HF. Don't shoot the messanger. Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. When people are sick of SSB QRM or we cannot QSO by voice due to conditions, we can simply move to the CW sub-bands and you are left "holding the mike". As Walter Cronkite used to say. "That's the way it is..." February 23, 2007. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:35:46 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe"
wrote: Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. And when you're all dead, nobody will remember you, or if they do they'll laugh their asses off. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On 12 Feb 2007 16:29:18 -0800, "
wrote in .com: On Feb 12, 2:35?pm, robert casey wrote: NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, You realize that the 23rd, when you divide 2 by 3, you'll get 666, the devil's area code? Sounds like a bad omen to me.... :-) Sorry, that is a SERIOUS FACTUAL ERROR!!! Dividing 2 by 3 results in the decimal fraction 0.66666666666666... That is NOT the Bible's reference to "the number of the beast." The number of the beast is 616, not 666. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On 2007-02-11 16:45:13 -0500, "policy-ham" said:
Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as for the rest of us? ??? Get over it already and move on. They ARE doing code too or can't you read? Code is still used but it is not relevant today in testing any more. GET OVER IT. MOVE ON. No one is stopping you from USING CW. USE IT IF YOU WANT. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
"Jim Shaffer" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:35:46 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. And when you're all dead, nobody will remember you, or if they do they'll laugh their asses off. So you depend upon some sort of massive die-off to validate your license class? |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 12, 7:29 pm, "
wrote: On Feb 12, 2:35?pm, robert casey wrote: NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, You realize that the 23rd, when you divide 2 by 3, you'll get 666, the devil's area code? ? Sounds like a bad omen to me.... ? ?:-) Sorry, that is a SERIOUS FACTUAL ERROR!!! Dividing 2 by 3 results in the decimal fraction 0.66666666666666... That is NOT the Bible's reference to "the number of the beast." The difference is 665.33333333333333334. Way, way off. Completely wrong. A Factual Error! |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 12, 8:03 pm, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On 12 Feb 2007 16:29:18 -0800, " wrote in .com: On Feb 12, 2:35?pm, robert casey wrote: NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, You realize that the 23rd, when you divide 2 by 3, you'll get 666, the devil's area code? Sounds like a bad omen to me.... :-) Sorry, that is a SERIOUS FACTUAL ERROR!!! Dividing 2 by 3 results in the decimal fraction 0.66666666666666... That is NOT the Bible's reference to "the number of the beast." The number of the beast is 616, not 666. Frank, welcome back. BTW, what is the mark of his little red-hatted monkey? |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:38:05 GMT, helmsman
wrote: +++On 11 Feb 2007 13:45:13 -0800, "policy-ham" +++wrote: +++ +++Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as +++for the rest of us? +++ +++I'm an ARRL member and I haven't gotten an email canceling my +++membership. If they dumped all us coders they'er membership would go +++down to almost zero. It ain't gonna happen. The ARRL welcomes +++everyone. +++KG8PM ********** Yep as long as you send in your money every year they don't care. james |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On 12 Feb 2007 21:28:11 -0800, "
wrote: +++On Feb 12, 4:35?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: +++ "policy-ham" wrote in message +++ +++ oups.com... +++ +++ Found on qrz.com. he ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as +++ for the rest of us? +++ +++ Not true what you say about the ARRL. Amateur radio is only as good as the +++ effort you put into it. If you can't do code, you cannot communicate with a +++ huge subset of the amateur population. That is a fact. You never will be +++ able to so until your learn code, FCC requirement or no FCC requirement. +++ There is some DX you will never get, some countries you may never contact, +++ many people you will never meet. +++ +++ Some no-coders sound like the gay rights lobby: They seem to be trying to +++ make no-code the "norm". "I want you to think I am normal". "I am as just +++ good as you, I can do HF now, I can be a real 'Ham'". (Gays can get +++ "married"). True by regulation, but not really in practice. +++ +++ In the foreseeable future you will never truly be a ham until you can QSO in +++ code; you will only hold a piece of paper authorizing you to communicate on +++ HF. Don't shoot the messanger. Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the +++ large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, +++ unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. When +++ people are sick of SSB QRM or we cannot QSO by voice due to conditions, we +++ can simply move to the CW sub-bands and you are left "holding the mike". +++ +++ As Walter Cronkite used to say. "That's the way it is..." February 23, 2007. +++ +++ Hello? This is February 12, 2007. FACTUAL ERROR!!! +++ +++ There's one little problem, "Stefan." Isn't ANY "Stefan Wolfe" +++ in the FCC CORES database. The best that can be found +++ are two Steven Wolfes: +++ +++ Steven H. Wolfe, KC4UZW, Tech, FRN 0004408340 +++ Steven B. Wolfe, KC9KTN, Tech, FRN 0016067183 +++ +++ www.qrz.com confirms that. +++ +++ The only "CW sub-bands" that Techs have is a small +++ sliver on the bottom of two VHF ham bands. Of course, +++ all other classes can use those. shrug So? +++ +++ +++ &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Only giving back which was taken away. In a land far far away and along time ago Techs had some CW priviledge on 2 and 6 meter CW if my senile memory has not forgotten me. james |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On 12 Feb 2007 20:46:58 -0800, "Bignose Bernie the Bagelman"
wrote: +++ +++The sooner that you *******s all realize that ham radio as you have +++known it is now ended and now getting a licence is much like pulling a +++prize envelope out of a Cracker-Jack Box the better you'll all be for +++it. Am I lying? It really don't matter anyway as kids today would +++rather be on Youtube or Myspace or AOL IM with their friends. ************* Yep faster and easier than pouning CW and listening to the static on 80 meters. Besides the Internet is far more reliable than F2-layer propgation. james |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Having observed issues and changes in recent years, I think the
question that has to be asked at some point is whether or not the ARRL should continue to attempt to influence rules, laws, etc. The money that they have to be spending on legal efforts, lobbying, etc has got to be significant. I think any objective observer would conclude that their ability to influence legislation, FCC rules, etc in recent years has been pretty dismal. Earlier in their history, the ARRL had the ability to do this. Times change. In today's world, the Imperial FCC chooses to do what it wants to do, selectively uses public comments that support their pre-determined outcomes, fails to enforce its own rules and is happy ignore factual data or public sentiment in the process. Resources may be better spent in providing new and different services to members rather than flush it down the commode under the banner of "fighting city hall." Russ K3Pi |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 13, 10:20�am, james wrote:
On 12 Feb 2007 21:28:11 -0800, " wrote: +++On Feb 12, 4:35?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: +++ * The only "CW sub-bands" that Techs have is a small +++ * sliver on the bottom of two VHF ham bands. *Of course, +++ * all other classes can use those. *shrug *So? +++ +++ * +++ &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Only giving back which was taken away. In a land far far away and along time ago Techs had some CW priviledge on 2 and 6 meter CW if my senile memory has not forgotten me. I'm sorry, but I fail to see your point. "CW" can be used just about everywhere on amateur bands from 160m on up to sub-THz. My remark was on "CW" ONLY. Where's your beef? LA |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 12, 5:03�pm, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On 12 Feb 2007 16:29:18 -0800, " wrote in .com: On Feb 12, 2:35?pm, robert casey wrote: NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, You realize that the 23rd, when you divide 2 by 3, you'll get 666, the devil's area code? *Sounds like a bad omen to me.... *:-) * Sorry, that is a SERIOUS FACTUAL ERROR!!! * Dividing 2 by 3 results in the decimal fraction 0.66666666666666... * That is NOT the Bible's reference to "the number of the beast." The number of the beast is 616, not 666. Hey, ol' Wirenut, I thought your number was "up" or something? :-) Welcome back. LA |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
From: "wavetrapper" on 13 Feb 2007 10:38:16 -0800 Subject: ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams Having observed issues and changes in recent years, I think the question that has to be asked at some point is whether or not the ARRL should continue to attempt to influence rules, laws, etc. Why not? The ARRL is a private incorporated entity. As a legal entity in the USA they have every right to make themselves heard to our government. The money that they have to be spending on legal efforts, lobbying, etc has got to be significant. "Significant" is a subjective word, isn't quantifiable. Their IRS Returns show the amount they've spent on services from a professional lobbying group and a law firm. One of the law firm's partners is Chris Imlay, a member of the ARRL's high inner circle. ARRL's recent IRS Returns show a multi-million dollar PROFIT for their "non-profit" organization. I think any objective observer would conclude that their ability to influence legislation, FCC rules, etc in recent years has been pretty dismal. The ARRL hasn't gotten carte blanche on what IT wanted, true. But, it was never a god of radio and really did NOT know what was "best" for US amateur radio...but it seemed to know "what was best" for the Leagues' inner commanders and their core membership. Earlier in their history, the ARRL had the ability to do this. So, they've convinced you they did? :-) Back in the 1920s and 1930s the League had trumped their organization competitors in the USA. At that time there was little in the way of citizens communicating quickly to DC and getting replies back. ARRL provided the opinion-courier services, a nice letter-head and all the appearance of "being important." It certainly didn't hurt that H.P.Maxim had personal resources to make trips to DC to do his lobbying efforts. ARRL was able to (profitably enough) publish a monthly magazine (purportedly a 'membership' periodical) of special interest to radio amateurs. The IMAGE of "being all for amateur radio" took hold in the limited ham public eye. It stuck, rightly or wrongly. There were no real competitors in amateur radio publications before or just after WW2. Times change. No kidding? :-) The appearance of RIVAL publications soon after end of WW2 (CQ, 73) plus the 1960's "question authority" mood began to erode the League's carefully-manicured IMAGE. ARRL increased its efforts to present the authoritative "mission" of them knowing what was best for amateur radio...consistently that being "work DX on HF with CW." VHF and above was a dark, mysterious region to the League and they generally avoided that new area or just didn't bother much with such things...it wasn't "ham radio" as they knew it. Once the Internet got going and the US government joined up, the common folk COULD talk to DC at the speed of light without any intermediaries to selectively sort/ sanction their words. No more did US radio amateurs have to go through their "district directors" to talk to Washington. The capitol began to "listen" more and more to citizens through the Internet. The Internet didn't do it all. Before the 1991 public entrance of the www, there was already the movement to toss the code test with the creation of the no-code-test Technician class. That became LAW despite the efforts of the ARRL (which supposedly "knew what was best for ham radio") to stop it. Even before that, well before, the FCC was cognizant of morse code's diminishing use in the whole, wide world of radio communications. Around 2000, the IARU was for a total rewrite of ITU-R Radio Regulation S25. With that would be removal of the necessity for administrations to test for morse code for any amateur radio license privileges below 30 MHz. ARRL was opposed to that. They remained opposed until WRC-03 was scheduled for Geneva, then they took a "neutral" stance in public just before the conference beginning. The ARRL inner circle was against dropping the code test for US amateur applicants but took on a better-PR appearance of "no comment." The S25 rewrite took place and was voted in. [ARRL can't vote on such ITU things, only "advise"] Many countries dropped the code test for amateur licenses after WRC-03. The FCC was obliged to stay with the State Department - NTIA - FCC triumvirate representing the US adminstration. A new Petition for removing the code test didn't appear at the FCC until 2005. The ARRL was against it and wanted THEIR version, which HAD to include some code testing (the ARRL "knows what is best for ham radio"...and it was what THEY wanted). In today's world, the Imperial FCC chooses to do what it wants to do, selectively uses public comments that support their pre-determined outcomes, fails to enforce its own rules and is happy ignore factual data or public sentiment in the process. Sourness Alert! Sour grapes time! It is rather obvious that YOU favor continued code testing and think you are in some "majority" in regards to that. The FCC isn't "imperial." It is (now) an independent agency of the Administration of the United States, created in 1934. [I was then two years old and you did not exist] With all the radio services it must, by law, regulate now, it does not "favor" amateur radio. What the FCC did do was simply go the course as with all other Petitions, allowing time for Comments (even extending that time twice), then considered ALL those Comments for full year before deciding. Specific things they considered are well described in the body of FCC 06-178. If there is ANY organization in the USA that is "imperial" then it is that of the ARRL. They ignored world opinion, toadied to their core membership (olde-tyme morsemen), and simply ignored the majority. They didn't worry. Their publications were giving them a multi-million dollar a year PROFIT for their "non-profit" activities. They believed in their own propaganda and loved the life of "leadership." They still didn't try to entice the HUGE Technician class licensee group...until AFTER 06-178 was announced. AFTER. They aren't fools and know that a sustained League existance requires NEW membership. If existing license are EXPIRING at a rate of 78 a day but NEW licensees represent only 32 a day, they don't have to be mathematicians to realize numbers are shrinking. Newcomers have - by far - come into US amateur radio through the no-code-test Technician class. Resources may be better spent in providing new and different services to members rather than flush it down the commode under the banner of "fighting city hall." Do you consider Access BPL to be "city hall" doings that the League should NOT fight? Sorry, but BPL is a clear and present danger to anyone using HF for any purpose. The ARRL needs to keep the pressure on Washington to fight BPL. After all, with lots of BPL QRM, it is hard to "work DX on HF with CW." The League only lives for HF bands. What "services" would you suggest the ARRL be doing? Give you fancy bordered certificates (suitable for framing) for your state-of-the-art morse code ability? Provide free franking privileges for your QSL cards? Give you a spare radio in case your ready-built fails and it needs factory repair? Have a representative come and hold your hand when you contest? The League provides a number of services already and has been doing so for years for its membership. Don't begrudge those. Just try to remember a small group of New Englanders are NOT gods of radio, just a minority membership group in the amateur radio hobby, and are a profit-making publisher of amateur radio special- interest material. Try to remember that the US government does pretty well at governing ALL its citizens, political parties aside. An "Imperial" dictatorship can be an apt descriptor of a bunch of old men who consider themselves Elite in radio because they could emulate the professionals of 70 years ago. So, you've lost a government decision. TS happens. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On 13 Feb 2007 11:45:01 -0800, "
wrote: +++On Feb 13, 10:20?am, james wrote: +++ On 12 Feb 2007 21:28:11 -0800, " +++ +++ wrote: +++ +++On Feb 12, 4:35?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: +++ +++ +++ The only "CW sub-bands" that Techs have is a small +++ +++ sliver on the bottom of two VHF ham bands. f course, +++ +++ all other classes can use those. shrug o? +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ +++ &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& +++ +++ Only giving back which was taken away. In a land far far away and +++ along time ago Techs had some CW priviledge on 2 and 6 meter CW if my +++ senile memory has not forgotten me. +++ +++ I'm sorry, but I fail to see your point. "CW" can be used just +++about +++ everywhere on amateur bands from 160m on up to sub-THz. +++ +++ My remark was on "CW" ONLY. Where's your beef? +++ +++ LA ************** No beef. Just stating that back in the 60's novices and techs had 2 meter CW priviledges that were altered at a later date. The FCC band usage has changed many times in the past 50 years. This recent change is not unusual or anything new. james |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On 13 Feb 2007 11:48:00 -0800, "
wrote in om: On Feb 12, 5:03?pm, Frank Gilliland wrote: On 12 Feb 2007 16:29:18 -0800, " wrote in .com: On Feb 12, 2:35?pm, robert casey wrote: NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, You realize that the 23rd, when you divide 2 by 3, you'll get 666, the devil's area code? ounds like a bad omen to me.... :-) Sorry, that is a SERIOUS FACTUAL ERROR!!! Dividing 2 by 3 results in the decimal fraction 0.66666666666666... That is NOT the Bible's reference to "the number of the beast." The number of the beast is 616, not 666. Hey, ol' Wirenut, I thought your number was "up" or something? :-) Welcome back. LA I'm not "back"..... the thread is being crossposted to rrcb and a few other groups. As for the number of the beast, check this out: http://www.csad.ox.ac.uk/POxy/beast616.htm |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On 13 Feb 2007 13:52:02 -0800, "
wrote: +++ Why not? The ARRL is a private incorporated entity. As +++ a legal entity in the USA they have every right to make +++ themselves heard to our government. *************** Not as a corporate entity. The government is of the people and by the people and not of the Corporation and by the Corporation. james |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On 13 Feb 2007 10:38:16 -0800, "wavetrapper" wrote:
+++Having observed issues and changes in recent years, I think the +++question that has to be asked at some point is whether or not the ARRL +++should continue to attempt to influence rules, laws, etc. The money +++that they have to be spending on legal efforts, lobbying, etc has got +++to be significant. I think any objective observer would conclude that +++their ability to influence legislation, FCC rules, etc in recent years +++has been pretty dismal. Earlier in their history, the ARRL had the +++ability to do this. Times change. In today's world, the Imperial FCC +++chooses to do what it wants to do, selectively uses public comments +++that support their pre-determined outcomes, fails to enforce its own +++rules and is happy ignore factual data or public sentiment in the +++process. Resources may be better spent in providing new and different +++services to members rather than flush it down the commode under the +++banner of "fighting city hall." +++ +++Russ +++K3Pi *********** The FCC does as Congress dictates. Remember COngress holds the purse strings for the FCC as well as the power to remove and appoint commisioners. The FCC is an extension of Congress. james |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
wrote in message oups.com... There's one little problem, "Stefan." Isn't ANY "Stefan Wolfe" in the FCC CORES database. The best that can be found are two Steven Wolfes: Steven H. Wolfe, KC4UZW, Tech, FRN 0004408340 Steven B. Wolfe, KC9KTN, Tech, FRN 0016067183 Curses. Foiled again :-) |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 13, 3:26�pm, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On 13 Feb 2007 11:48:00 -0800, " wrote in om: On Feb 12, 5:03?pm, Frank Gilliland wrote: On 12 Feb 2007 16:29:18 -0800, " wrote in .com: On Feb 12, 2:35?pm, robert casey wrote: NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, You realize that the 23rd, when you divide 2 by 3, you'll get 666, the devil's area code? *ounds like a bad omen to me.... :-) *Sorry, that is a SERIOUS FACTUAL ERROR!!! *Dividing 2 by 3 results in the decimal fraction 0.66666666666666.... *That is NOT the Bible's reference to "the number of the beast." The number of the beast is 616, not 666. * Hey, ol' Wirenut, I thought your number was "up" or something? *:-) * Welcome back. * LA I'm not "back"..... the thread is being crossposted to rrcb and a few other groups. As for the number of the beast, check this out: http://www.csad.ox.ac.uk/POxy/beast616.htm- Hide quoted text - Roger that, Wirenut. Link is mildly interesting but wasn't my thing. MY thing was all the morsemen and THEIR number is "up." :-) LA |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
james wrote:
On 13 Feb 2007 10:38:16 -0800, "wavetrapper" wrote: +++Having observed issues and changes in recent years, I think the +++question that has to be asked at some point is whether or not the ARRL +++should continue to attempt to influence rules, laws, etc. The money +++that they have to be spending on legal efforts, lobbying, etc has got +++to be significant. I think any objective observer would conclude that +++their ability to influence legislation, FCC rules, etc in recent years +++has been pretty dismal. Earlier in their history, the ARRL had the +++ability to do this. Times change. In today's world, the Imperial FCC +++chooses to do what it wants to do, selectively uses public comments +++that support their pre-determined outcomes, fails to enforce its own +++rules and is happy ignore factual data or public sentiment in the +++process. Resources may be better spent in providing new and different +++services to members rather than flush it down the commode under the +++banner of "fighting city hall." +++ +++Russ +++K3Pi *********** The FCC does as Congress dictates. Remember COngress holds the purse strings for the FCC as well as the power to remove and appoint commisioners. The FCC is an extension of Congress. james Sorry James; Congress does hold the purse strings as well as the abililty to enact laws which the FCC has to enforce. The President appoints commissioners and the Senate confirms the appointment. The President can request the resignation of any official in government but can only fire a few. Dave N |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 13, 4:32�pm, "David G. Nagel" wrote:
james wrote: On 13 Feb 2007 10:38:16 -0800, "wavetrapper" wrote: +++Having observed issues and changes in recent years, I think the +++question that has to be asked at some point is whether or not the ARRL +++should continue to attempt to influence rules, laws, etc. *The money +++that they have to be spending on legal efforts, lobbying, etc has got +++to be significant. *I think any objective observer would conclude that +++their ability to influence legislation, FCC rules, etc in recent years +++has been pretty dismal. *Earlier in their history, the ARRL had the +++ability to do this. *Times change. *In today's world, the Imperial FCC +++chooses to do what it wants to do, selectively uses public comments +++that support their pre-determined outcomes, fails to enforce its own +++rules and is happy ignore factual data or public sentiment in the +++process. *Resources may be better spent in providing new and different +++services to members rather than flush it down the commode under the +++banner of "fighting city hall." +++ +++Russ +++K3Pi *********** The FCC does as Congress dictates. Remember COngress holds the purse strings for the FCC as well as the power to remove and appoint commisioners. The FCC is an extension of Congress. james Sorry James; Congress does hold the purse strings as well as the abililty to enact laws which the FCC has to enforce. The President appoints commissioners and the Senate confirms the appointment. The President can request the resignation of any official in government but can only fire a few. Dave N The FCC has released its latest operating budget listing over its web page. Anyone who cares to can go check it out. The ARRL never reveals its budget plans to the public, despite all its Believers' claims that it is handled in a "democratic fashion" AS IF it were an arm of the guvmint. The best one can hope for is someone else getting copies of its IRS Returns and publicizes those. Otherwise we "common folk" would never know its a multi-million dollar "non-profit" organization. LA |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
"james" wrote in message ... On 12 Feb 2007 21:28:11 -0800, " wrote: +++On Feb 12, 4:35?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: +++ "policy-ham" wrote in message +++ +++ oups.com... +++ +++ Found on qrz.com. he ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as +++ for the rest of us? +++ +++ Not true what you say about the ARRL. Amateur radio is only as good as the +++ effort you put into it. If you can't do code, you cannot communicate with a +++ huge subset of the amateur population. That is a fact. You never will be +++ able to so until your learn code, FCC requirement or no FCC requirement. +++ There is some DX you will never get, some countries you may never contact, +++ many people you will never meet. +++ +++ Some no-coders sound like the gay rights lobby: They seem to be trying to +++ make no-code the "norm". "I want you to think I am normal". "I am as just +++ good as you, I can do HF now, I can be a real 'Ham'". (Gays can get +++ "married"). True by regulation, but not really in practice. +++ +++ In the foreseeable future you will never truly be a ham until you can QSO in +++ code; you will only hold a piece of paper authorizing you to communicate on +++ HF. Don't shoot the messanger. Don't bother disagreeing with me; it is the +++ large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, +++ unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does change. When +++ people are sick of SSB QRM or we cannot QSO by voice due to conditions, we +++ can simply move to the CW sub-bands and you are left "holding the mike". +++ +++ As Walter Cronkite used to say. "That's the way it is..." February 23, 2007. +++ +++ Hello? This is February 12, 2007. FACTUAL ERROR!!! +++ +++ There's one little problem, "Stefan." Isn't ANY "Stefan Wolfe" +++ in the FCC CORES database. The best that can be found +++ are two Steven Wolfes: +++ +++ Steven H. Wolfe, KC4UZW, Tech, FRN 0004408340 +++ Steven B. Wolfe, KC9KTN, Tech, FRN 0016067183 +++ +++ www.qrz.com confirms that. +++ +++ The only "CW sub-bands" that Techs have is a small +++ sliver on the bottom of two VHF ham bands. Of course, +++ all other classes can use those. shrug So? +++ +++ +++ &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Only giving back which was taken away. In a land far far away and along time ago Techs had some CW priviledge on 2 and 6 meter CW if my senile memory has not forgotten me. james Technicians had and have CW privileges on VHF and UHF whether or not they passed the code. While there are small slivers of 2m and 6m that are exclusively CW, it can be used anywhere above 30mHz by all licensees of Technician or higher. Technicians have ALL privileges above 30mHz. Dee, N8UZE |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
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ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 13, 10:49 pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:
wrote: The ARRL never reveals its budget plans to the public, despite all its Believers' claims that it is handled in a "democratic fashion" AS IF it were an arm of the guvmint. The best one can hope for is someone else getting copies of its IRS Returns and publicizes those. Otherwise we "common folk" would never know its a multi-million dollar "non-profit" organization. LA OK, no problem, assume everything you say is true. 1) Is that bad? Is it any different than the NRA or any other hobby organization? good bad not the issue the ARRL's suportor insist that is not the way it it is with the ARRL 2) What alternative to the ARRL do you suggest? |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Feb 13, 7:49�pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:
wrote: * *The ARRL never reveals its budget plans to the public, * *despite all its Believers' claims that it is handled in a * *"democratic fashion" AS IF it were an arm of the guvmint. * *The best one can hope for is someone else getting copies * *of its IRS Returns and publicizes those. *Otherwise we * *"common folk" would never know its a multi-million dollar * *"non-profit" organization. * *LA OK, no problem, assume everything you say is true. There WAS a website (webmaster is a ham) that DID post ARRL IRS returns. I footnoted that in one of my Comments to the FCC. Have to look it up on the CD holding those documents but anyone can access it if it is still up and running. 1) Is that bad? Is it any different than the NRA or any other hobby organization? The National Recovery Act is still going on?!? :-) 2) What alternative to the ARRL do you suggest? "Alternative?" You want an instant alternative? The ARRL was incorporated in 1914. That's 83 years ago. The league was able to squash its competition in the ancient days by good PR work. I admire them for their chutzpah in that. From my observation the ARRL just got to believing its own "sins of omissions of the truth" that it lost sight of its original aims (other than being a local telegraph service hacker)...then got the inner circle of its staff to think they were all there through some odd "divine right." It is only a fraternal order and a publisher. Ain't no equivalent national organization in the USA now that could compete on equal terms with them. However, that is NO reason (logically) for them to think they are Top Dog just because they don't have the competition. Its Believers do, but then they have drifted off the mainstream into an emotional attachment to fraternalistic orders. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Awwwwwwww, it sounds like the little boy needs a teething ring after he
realizes that he has to share his playplace with others. policy-ham wrote: Found on qrz.com. The ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as for the rest of us? W1AW Special Event, Midnight Exam Sessions to Mark New Amateur Rules NEWINGTON, CT, Feb 9, 2007 -- As new Amateur Radio Service rules phase in Friday, February 23, eliminating the Morse code requirement, Hiram Percy Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will mark the milestone with a weekend-long special event. In addition, a number of Central Connecticut volunteer examiners will be on hand at ARRL Headquarters -- both before and after the new rules become effective at 12:01 AM EST -- to offer Amateur Radio examinations under both the current and new rules. ARRL Regulatory Information Specialist Dan Henderson, N1ND, is helping to coordinate the celebration. He says Headquarters staff and other volunteers will keep W1AW active for the "Welcome Weekend" event. "W1AW will be on the air all weekend for this special event to celebrate the fact that so many amateurs have gained or will earn new privileges as a result of the rule changes," he said. "The station will operate starting at 12:01 AM Eastern Time on Friday, February 23, continuing into the wee hours and resuming operation during the day. Then W1AW will be on the air on both days of the weekend, from 10 AM until 5 PM -- perhaps longer as conditions and enthusiasm dictate." Operation will be on both SSB and CW. W1AW operators will concentrate their activities on the Technician and General class HF subbands. On SSB, the station will use its normal phone frequencies -- 1.855, 3.990, 7.290, 14.290, 18.160 and 21.390 MHz. On 10 meters, W1AW will operate SSB on or about 28.480 MHz. Henderson says operating will be casual unless pileups develop. "The purpose is to welcome newcomers to new privileges," he said. "First Contact" certificates will be available as part of this event. ARRL invites anyone making a first contact or first HF contact to enter the contact information on the ARRL "Welcome Weekend" Web site and receive a certificate in return. "If the first contact is with W1AW we will also be including a W1AW QSL card for the contact," Henderson added. The ARRL anticipates a huge influx of upgrade applications once the Morse code requirement disappears. In addition, all Technician licensees will have limited HF privileges starting February 23, whether or not they've passed a Morse code test. Amateur Radio exam sessions both before and after the zero hour will offer an opportunity for applicants either to upgrade under the outgoing licensing rules at the last possible opportunity or under the new licensing rules at the first possible opportunity. "Dual exam sessions are scheduled at ARRL Headquarters around the effective time of the new licensing rules," says Brennan Price, N4QX, a former ARRL staff member and an ARRL VEC volunteer examiner. "At 11 PM on February 22, a session will be held for candidates wishing to upgrade under the existing rules. A few folks have expressed interest in such a session." Price says all Amateur Radio written and telegraphy elements will be offered until midnight. "At 12:01 AM February 23, a second session will begin under the new licensing rules," he said. "Examiners will not only be evaluating previously earned Certificates of Successful Completion of Exam (CSCEs) for upgrades, but will be offering all written elements." Two teams of volunteer examiners will be on site until all applicants have been served. On or after February 23, applicants upgrading on the basis of a valid CSCE must present the certificate for element credit, fill out an application and pay any applicable exam session fee, which most VECs charge. Only after the VE team has issued a CSCE for upgrade credit may applicants actually use their new operating privileges on the air. Additional Welcome Weekend information will be available on the ARRL Web site in the days leading up to February 23. |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:40:01 -0500, "Dee Flint"
wrote: +++ +++"james" wrote in message m... +++ On 12 Feb 2007 21:28:11 -0800, " +++ wrote: +++ ++++++On Feb 12, 4:35?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote: ++++++ "policy-ham" wrote in message ++++++ ++++++ oups.com... ++++++ ++++++ Found on qrz.com. he ARRL now only wants only no code hams. And as ++++++ for the rest of us? ++++++ ++++++ Not true what you say about the ARRL. Amateur radio is only as good +++as the ++++++ effort you put into it. If you can't do code, you cannot communicate +++with a ++++++ huge subset of the amateur population. That is a fact. You never will +++be ++++++ able to so until your learn code, FCC requirement or no FCC +++requirement. ++++++ There is some DX you will never get, some countries you may never +++contact, ++++++ many people you will never meet. ++++++ ++++++ Some no-coders sound like the gay rights lobby: They seem to be +++trying to ++++++ make no-code the "norm". "I want you to think I am normal". "I am as +++just ++++++ good as you, I can do HF now, I can be a real 'Ham'". (Gays can get ++++++ "married"). True by regulation, but not really in practice. ++++++ ++++++ In the foreseeable future you will never truly be a ham until you can +++QSO in ++++++ code; you will only hold a piece of paper authorizing you to +++communicate on ++++++ HF. Don't shoot the messanger. Don't bother disagreeing with me; it +++is the ++++++ large subset of the amateur base that you have to convince and, ++++++ unfortunately, that will take a while to change IF it ever does +++change. When ++++++ people are sick of SSB QRM or we cannot QSO by voice due to +++conditions, we ++++++ can simply move to the CW sub-bands and you are left "holding the +++mike". ++++++ ++++++ As Walter Cronkite used to say. "That's the way it is..." February +++23, 2007. ++++++ ++++++ Hello? This is February 12, 2007. FACTUAL ERROR!!! ++++++ ++++++ There's one little problem, "Stefan." Isn't ANY "Stefan Wolfe" ++++++ in the FCC CORES database. The best that can be found ++++++ are two Steven Wolfes: ++++++ ++++++ Steven H. Wolfe, KC4UZW, Tech, FRN 0004408340 ++++++ Steven B. Wolfe, KC9KTN, Tech, FRN 0016067183 ++++++ ++++++ www.qrz.com confirms that. ++++++ ++++++ The only "CW sub-bands" that Techs have is a small ++++++ sliver on the bottom of two VHF ham bands. Of course, ++++++ all other classes can use those. shrug So? ++++++ ++++++ ++++++ +++ &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& +++ +++ Only giving back which was taken away. In a land far far away and +++ along time ago Techs had some CW priviledge on 2 and 6 meter CW if my +++ senile memory has not forgotten me. +++ +++ james +++ +++Technicians had and have CW privileges on VHF and UHF whether or not they +++passed the code. While there are small slivers of 2m and 6m that are +++exclusively CW, it can be used anywhere above 30mHz by all licensees of +++Technician or higher. Technicians have ALL privileges above 30mHz. +++ +++Dee, N8UZE +++ Back in the 60s Novices had a small part of the 2 M band also. james |
ARRL Now Only Wants No Code Hams - Holding Midnight Exams
Carter-k8vt wrote:
wrote: On Feb 13, 7:49�pm, Carter-k8vt wrote: wrote: � �The ARRL never reveals its budget plans to the public, � �despite all its Believers' claims that it is handled in a � �"democratic fashion" AS IF it were an arm of the guvmint. � �The best one can hope for is someone else getting copies � �of its IRS Returns and publicizes those. �Otherwise we � �"common folk" would never know its a multi-million dollar � �"non-profit" organization. � �LA OK, no problem, assume everything you say is true. There WAS a website (webmaster is a ham) that DID post ARRL IRS returns. I footnoted that in one of my Comments to the FCC. Have to look it up on the CD holding those documents but anyone can access it if it is still up and running. 1) Is that bad? Is it any different than the NRA or any other hobby organization? The National Recovery Act is still going on?!? :-) 2) What alternative to the ARRL do you suggest? "Alternative?" You want an instant alternative? The ARRL was incorporated in 1914. That's 83 years ago. The league was able to squash its competition in the ancient days by good PR work. I admire them for their chutzpah in that. From my observation the ARRL just got to believing its own "sins of omissions of the truth" that it lost sight of its original aims (other than being a local telegraph service hacker)...then got the inner circle of its staff to think they were all there through some odd "divine right." It is only a fraternal order and a publisher. Ain't no equivalent national organization in the USA now that could compete on equal terms with them. However, that is NO reason (logically) for them to think they are Top Dog just because they don't have the competition. Its Believers do, but then they have drifted off the mainstream into an emotional attachment to fraternalistic orders. Lee, thanks for the explanation...although as a pragmatist, the ARRL, for better or worse, IS the only game in town. They are certainly not perfect, but then, who of us are? As to their "non-profit" status, whatever that means, I am not sure what problem you see with that (if any). I did some research and, as you say, their IRS returns are on the web. Additionally, their *AUDITED* Annual Report is on the ARRL web site for the world to see. Granted, since Enron, audits aren't all they were cracked up to be, but that is a national issue, nothing unique to the ARRL. Oooops, pardon the fumble fingers. That should be "Len"... |
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