On Feb 14, 7:57 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:

anyone use a t2fd here? i'm considering replacing my longwire with a
t2fd-- but i can't mount it on a slope-- will i be wasting my time and
money?

It would be a good move. Sloping it is not important.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

really? some people feel strongly about the sloping. elaborate
telamon-- if i can get 1/2 the reception you do i will be a happy
pappy!

In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:

On Feb 14, 7:57 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:

anyone use a t2fd here? i'm considering replacing my longwire with a
t2fd-- but i can't mount it on a slope-- will i be wasting my time and
money?

It would be a good move. Sloping it is not important.


really? some people feel strongly about the sloping. elaborate
telamon-- if i can get 1/2 the reception you do i will be a happy
pappy!

This antenna originated as a ship broadband antenna where there are
stays that could be used as an antenna if insulated. The stays on a ship
slope. Generally for reception higher is better so I would nix the
sloping idea.

You can build a simple folded dipole antenna out of TV 300 ohm twin lead
and use a common 300 to 75 ohm BALUN. The TV/FM BALUN transformers are
not all created equal. Some are poor below 15MHz. The BALUN units with
more heft indicate a bigger core that will work well down into the AMBCB
band. The twin lead will not support itself so you could tie-wrap it to
nylon cord or rope. It would be good if the antenna was at least 40 foot
long and longer would be better.

If this works well for you then go to the trouble of building a larger
capture area antenna.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Feb 15, 6:30 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:

On Feb 14, 7:57 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:

anyone use a t2fd here? i'm considering replacing my longwire with a
t2fd-- but i can't mount it on a slope-- will i be wasting my time and
money?

It would be a good move. Sloping it is not important.

really? some people feel strongly about the sloping. elaborate
telamon-- if i can get 1/2 the reception you do i will be a happy
pappy!

This antenna originated as a ship broadband antenna where there are
stays that could be used as an antenna if insulated. The stays on a ship
slope. Generally for reception higher is better so I would nix the
sloping idea.

You can build a simple folded dipole antenna out of TV 300 ohm twin lead
and use a common 300 to 75 ohm BALUN. The TV/FM BALUN transformers are
not all created equal. Some are poor below 15MHz. The BALUN units with
more heft indicate a bigger core that will work well down into the AMBCB
band. The twin lead will not support itself so you could tie-wrap it to
nylon cord or rope. It would be good if the antenna was at least 40 foot
long and longer would be better.

If this works well for you then go to the trouble of building a larger
capture area antenna.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon,

Yes 300 Ohm TV type Twin-Lead will work for a Quik-and-Dirty T2FD.
To simply construction - Instead of a single 450 Ohm Resistor in the
Center of the upper T2FD Antenna Element with the 4:1 Balun in the
Center of the Lower T2FD Antenna Element. Put a 220 Ohm Resistor
at each end of the Twin-Lead.

And Yes Again - You are right that the better quality 300 Ohm to
75 Ohm TV type Matching Transformers {Baluns} can work down
to at least 5 MHz and as you point out these are usually the larger
diameter ones which have a bigger Ferrite Cord, which is the key
performance difference, besides increasing the number of windings.

IIRC - John Doty wrote about using the Binocular Ferrite Cores from
TY type Matching Transformers and -re-winding them with more
windings to get better performance across the Shortwave (HF)
Bands and down into the AM/MW Band. - - - Searching . . .

The "Perfect" Feed-in-Line for Wire Shortwave Listening (SWL)
Antennas
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...eed/coax2.html
-by- John Doty ) -Source- Hard-Cord-DX.Com
* It Doesn't Take Very Much Wire
* The Problem
* The Solution
* Construction
* Mount the Transformer
* Drive a Ground Stake
* How It Works, In More Detail
* If the Impedances of Two . . .
* In My Antenna System
* Performance
-Source- Hard-Cord-DX.Com -by- John Doty )
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...eed/coax2.html

TIP - Re-Construction of a TV Parts Matching Transformer {Balun}
into a Shortwave Listeners (SWL) Matching Transformer {Balun}
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...eed/coax2.html
-by- John Doty )
* My Antenna and Feed System are built with Television Antenna System
Components and other common hardware. These Parts are inexpensive and
easily obtainable in most places.
* The Matching Transformer {Balun} is built around a Toroid {Ferrite
Core} extracted from a TV 300 Ohm to 75 Ohm "Matching Transformer". If
you're a pack rat like me, you have a few in your basement: you
typically get one with every TV or VCR (or you can buy one). Pop the
plastic case off and snip the wires from the Toroid (it looks either
like a tiny donut, or a pair of tiny donuts stuck together).
* The Matching Transformer {Balun} Windings should be made with thin
Wi I use #32 Magnet Wire. The Primary is 30 Turns while the
Secondary is 10 Turns.
* For a One-Hole Toroid, count each passage of the Wire down through
the Hole as One Turn. For a Two-Holer, each Turn is a passage of the
Wire down through the Right Hole and up through the Left.
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...eed/coax2.html

READ - Install Your Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antenna Properly
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...eed/coax2.html
The Antenna System is the 'key' to Reception at Shortwave Frequencies.
- From: John Doty )
- Date: February 11, 1995
- Original source: Usenet's Rec.Radio.Shortwave

CHECK-OUT - The John Doty 'Reading List" at Hard-Core-DX.Com
Other Hard-Cord-DX.Com Articles -by- John Doty to Read
JPD READING LIST = http://tinyurl.com/3amvw6
One Shortwave Listeners (SWLs) Un-Ending Pursuit of
More Signal and Less Noise
http://www.google.com/custom?domains...D%3A1%3B&hl=en


sometimes i even supprise myself - iane ~ RHF

In article .com,
"RHF" wrote:

On Feb 15, 6:30 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:

On Feb 14, 7:57 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:

anyone use a t2fd here? i'm considering replacing my longwire with a
t2fd-- but i can't mount it on a slope-- will i be wasting my time
and
money?

It would be a good move. Sloping it is not important.

really? some people feel strongly about the sloping. elaborate
telamon-- if i can get 1/2 the reception you do i will be a happy
pappy!

This antenna originated as a ship broadband antenna where there are
stays that could be used as an antenna if insulated. The stays on a ship
slope. Generally for reception higher is better so I would nix the
sloping idea.

You can build a simple folded dipole antenna out of TV 300 ohm twin lead
and use a common 300 to 75 ohm BALUN. The TV/FM BALUN transformers are
not all created equal. Some are poor below 15MHz. The BALUN units with
more heft indicate a bigger core that will work well down into the AMBCB
band. The twin lead will not support itself so you could tie-wrap it to
nylon cord or rope. It would be good if the antenna was at least 40 foot
long and longer would be better.

If this works well for you then go to the trouble of building a larger
capture area antenna.


Telamon,

Yes 300 Ohm TV type Twin-Lead will work for a Quik-and-Dirty T2FD.
To simply construction - Instead of a single 450 Ohm Resistor in the
Center of the upper T2FD Antenna Element with the 4:1 Balun in the
Center of the Lower T2FD Antenna Element. Put a 220 Ohm Resistor
at each end of the Twin-Lead.

I would not use resistors at all. They are not desirable for a folded
dipole.

And Yes Again - You are right that the better quality 300 Ohm to
75 Ohm TV type Matching Transformers {Baluns} can work down
to at least 5 MHz and as you point out these are usually the larger
diameter ones which have a bigger Ferrite Cord, which is the key
performance difference, besides increasing the number of windings.

IIRC - John Doty wrote about using the Binocular Ferrite Cores from
TY type Matching Transformers and -re-winding them with more
windings to get better performance across the Shortwave (HF)
Bands and down into the AM/MW Band. - - - Searching . . .

You can more inductance with short lengths of wire with a binocular
core. They make excellent transmission line transformers.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Feb 17, 2:14 am, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,





"RHF" wrote:
On Feb 15, 6:30 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:

On Feb 14, 7:57 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:

anyone use a t2fd here? i'm considering replacing my longwire with a
t2fd-- but i can't mount it on a slope-- will i be wasting my time
and
money?

It would be a good move. Sloping it is not important.

really? some people feel strongly about the sloping. elaborate
telamon-- if i can get 1/2 the reception you do i will be a happy
pappy!

This antenna originated as a ship broadband antenna where there are
stays that could be used as an antenna if insulated. The stays on a ship
slope. Generally for reception higher is better so I would nix the
sloping idea.

You can build a simple folded dipole antenna out of TV 300 ohm twin lead
and use a common 300 to 75 ohm BALUN. The TV/FM BALUN transformers are
not all created equal. Some are poor below 15MHz. The BALUN units with
more heft indicate a bigger core that will work well down into the AMBCB
band. The twin lead will not support itself so you could tie-wrap it to
nylon cord or rope. It would be good if the antenna was at least 40 foot
long and longer would be better.

If this works well for you then go to the trouble of building a larger
capture area antenna.

Telamon,

Yes 300 Ohm TV type Twin-Lead will work for a Quik-and-Dirty T2FD.
To simply construction - Instead of a single 450 Ohm Resistor in the
Center of the upper T2FD Antenna Element with the 4:1 Balun in the
Center of the Lower T2FD Antenna Element. Put a 220 Ohm Resistor
at each end of the Twin-Lead.

I would not use resistors at all. They are not desirable for a folded
dipole.

And Yes Again - You are right that the better quality 300 Ohm to
75 Ohm TV type Matching Transformers {Baluns} can work down
to at least 5 MHz and as you point out these are usually the larger
diameter ones which have a bigger Ferrite Cord, which is the key
performance difference, besides increasing the number of windings.

IIRC - John Doty wrote about using the Binocular Ferrite Cores from
TY type Matching Transformers and -re-winding them with more
windings to get better performance across the Shortwave (HF)
Bands and down into the AM/MW Band. - - - Searching . . .

You can more inductance with short lengths of wire with a binocular
core. They make excellent transmission line transformers.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California- Hide quoted text -

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I have TTFD Twisted Terminated Folded Dipole in my attic in my other
QTH and it is a fine antenna. I couldn't tilt it so RHF suggested
twisting it and it works very nice. If you aren't going to transmit
on it then you probably will want to delete the terminating resistor.
A fine antenna. I have to rig my qth for silent running so you are
better to put out in the back yard. I'm off this morning to look for
a new QTH here in Rochester, NY. 3.5 acres for some nice antennas I
hope.



regards,
NEO

On 15 Feb 2007 18:05:53 -0800, "tom k in L.A."
wrote:

On Feb 14, 7:57 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article .com,
"tom k in L.A." wrote:

anyone use a t2fd here? i'm considering replacing my longwire with a
t2fd-- but i can't mount it on a slope-- will i be wasting my time and
money?

It would be a good move. Sloping it is not important.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

really? some people feel strongly about the sloping. elaborate
telamon-- if i can get 1/2 the reception you do i will be a happy
pappy!

The closer to 45 degrees the more omnidirectional the antenna.
Otherwise just broadside it to the major directions of interest.