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On Feb 14, 12:51 pm, Rich wrote:
Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air
transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770.
It
would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never
purchased
an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the
most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I
can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if
radios get cheap and available.



Excellent - looks like HD Radio/IBOC on AM is almost dead:

"RW Opinion: Rethinking AM's future"

"Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of
reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the
anecdotal evidence suggests. (Ibiquity no longer reports in its public
summaries whether a station is on the air.)"


If AM stations don't do anything to stem the tide of losing listenership it
will soon go the way of shortwave.

Why would anyone spend over a $1000 or $500 or $150 or even $30 on a
shortwave radio and many feet of wire hanging precariously around the garden
only to hope to listen to a handful or two of foreign radio stations
broadcasting primarily propaganda in the English language for about 1 hour a
day at best on constantly changing frequencies and schedules? All the while
hoping 'Ol Sol will bless the listener with the rare event of no static, no
fading and complete aural comprehension?

If you listen to anal-log shortwave you have got to be an idiot.

GOD BLESS IBOC, DRM, etc!

God Bless everything Analog.When we speak,do our voice boxes broadcast
in Analog?,I think so.Mother Nature never used digital.
cuhulin

God Bless everything Analog.When we speak,do our voice boxes broadcast
in Analog?,I think so.Mother Nature never used digital.

The entire Universe is digital - Physicists have yet to discover an analog
sub-atomic particle.
The screen you are reading this from is made up of discrete digital pixels -
look closer " . "
Your analog senses can't resolve digital information smaller than 1/60th of
a second in duration.

On Feb 15, 12:38 pm, "Guerite³" wrote:
God Bless everything Analog.When we speak,do our voice boxes broadcast
in Analog?,I think so.Mother Nature never used digital.

The entire Universe is digital - Physicists have yet to discover an analog
sub-atomic particle.
The screen you are reading this from is made up of discrete digital pixels -
look closer " . "
Your analog senses can't resolve digital information smaller than 1/60th of
a second in duration.

- give me a Nice Digital Earth Quake or Digital Tidal wave any
day . . .

Digital Sunrises, digital Landslides, Digital Volcanic Eruptions,

Digital Plagues of Locusts, Too..

And, for you religious types, theres The Digital Crucifixion . . !

DIE IBOC, DIE ! ! ! !

On Feb 15, 2:13�pm, "Guerite�" wrote:
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On Feb 14, 12:51 pm, Rich wrote:
Well, from what I can hear there are only 3 stations left on the air
transmitting the IBOC signal on AM in the NY/NJ area. 660, 710 and 770.
It
would seem to me that it is'nt catching on at all. I have never
purchased
an AM HD radio because they are so expensive and non-available for the
most part and I am glad to have waited. FM may be better for IBOC but I
can't tell if they are broadcasting IBOC..it may be a success on FM if
radios get cheap and available.

Excellent - looks like HD Radio/IBOC on AM is almost dead:

"RW Opinion: Rethinking AM's future"

"Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of
reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the
anecdotal evidence suggests. (Ibiquity no longer reports in its public
summaries whether a station is on the air.)"

If AM stations don't do anything to stem the tide of losing listenership it
will soon go the way of shortwave.

Why would anyone spend over a $1000 or $500 or $150 or even $30 on a
shortwave radio and many feet of wire hanging precariously around the garden
only to hope to listen to a handful or two of foreign radio stations
broadcasting primarily propaganda in the English language for about 1 hour a
day at best on constantly changing frequencies and schedules? *All the while
hoping 'Ol Sol will bless the listener with the rare event of no static, no
fading and complete aural comprehension?

If you listen to anal-log shortwave you have got to be an idiot.

GOD BLESS IBOC, DRM, etc!- Hide quoted text -

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Little do you realize, that news/talk/sports on the clear-channels
command a higher advertising fee, than FM - too bad, asshole, AM is
alive and well. It is IBOC, that is failing, not analog.

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On Feb 15, 2:13?pm, "Guerite?" wrote:
Little do you realize, that news/talk/sports on the clear-channels
command a higher advertising fee, than FM - too bad, asshole, AM is
alive and well. It is IBOC, that is failing, not analog.

No, that is not true. Advertising is priced based on delivery of listeners,
no matter what the format. It is always a function of a certain dollar
amount for each thousand listeners, and pricing is by delivery.

A news talk station with good ratings gets the same rate as an FM with the
same ratings in the age group an advertiser is buying.

The issue with news talkers is they often bill among the higer range in a
market because they have higher numbers of minutes of spots. While most
larger market FMs sell no more than 10 to 12 minutes of commercials, news
talk often goes to 18 minutes and has more inventory.

The problem with AM news talk stations is that most have around half the
listeners over age 55, where there are nearly no agency ad buys.

In the US, there are 4665 AMs as of last week. Of the ones in rated markets,
only a small percentage, maybe 20% at best, are viable (decent signal and
full market day and night coverage) and these tend to do well. The rest are
either religious, brokered or ethnic.

For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2. So
what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable
FMs, the number of AMs is tiny.

On Feb 15, 11:37�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Feb 15, 2:13?pm, "Guerite?" wrote:

Little do you realize, that news/talk/sports on the clear-channels
command a higher advertising fee, than FM - *too bad, asshole, AM is
alive and well. It is IBOC, that is failing, not analog.

No, that is not true. Advertising is priced based on delivery of listeners,
no matter what the format. It is always a function of a certain dollar
amount for each thousand listeners, and pricing is by delivery.

A news talk station with good ratings gets the same rate as an FM with the
same ratings in the age group an advertiser is buying.

The issue with news talkers is they often bill among the higer range in a
market because they have higher numbers of minutes of spots. While most
larger market FMs sell no more than 10 to 12 minutes of commercials, news
talk often goes to 18 minutes and has more inventory.

The problem with AM news talk stations is that most have around half the
listeners over age 55, where there are nearly no agency ad buys.

In the US, there are 4665 AMs as of last week. Of the ones in rated markets,
only a small percentage, maybe 20% at best, are viable (decent signal and
full market day and night coverage) and these tend to do well. The rest are
either religious, brokered or ethnic.

For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2. So
what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable
FMs, the number of AMs is tiny.

There are a ton of AM stations in the D.C area, which I never listen
to, anyway. I read, that news/talk/sports on the "clears" on AM are
alive-and-well and command higher ad fees than FM. BTW, there is more-
and-more negativity surrounding HD Radio, and it is all but dead on AM
- IBOC shall die, as DAB has in Canada. Analog AM will be around for
many years - too bad ! Consumers are not interested in HD Radio, as
75% of consumers are aware of HD Radio, but interest in HD Radio has
been flat-lined for two years:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd...ius%2C+podcast

Sucka !

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On Feb 15, 11:37?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2.
So
what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable
FMs, the number of AMs is tiny.

There are a ton of AM stations in the D.C area, which I never listen
to, anyway.

And not one is vable. Not one covers the entire metro day and night.

I read, that news/talk/sports on the "clears" on AM are
alive-and-well and command higher ad fees than FM.

As I said, this is not true. they get the same ad rates ("fee" is the wrong
word) per listener as any other station. And there are only 24 or 25 of
those stations (Former 1-A clears) in the whole country, out of nearly 5
thousand AM stations.


BTW, there is more-
and-more negativity surrounding HD Radio, and it is all but dead on AM

No, it isn't. Stations in mmajor markets with good signals (about 150
stations in the top 100 markets) either are or will be on with HD. The rest
don't matter as they have no audience and don't cover their markets.

- IBOC shall die, as DAB has in Canada. Analog AM will be around for
many years - too bad !

Analog AM is dying. Fast. HD may not save it, but there is a chance. Without
it, AM is fading and the only really big format news/talk, is starting to
move to FM where it attracts attractive listeners for advertisers that it
does not do on AM.

Consumers are not interested in HD Radio, as
75% of consumers are aware of HD Radio, but interest in HD Radio has
been flat-lined for two years:

Interesting, since the "official" launch was in the second quarter of 2006.

On Feb 16, 5:39�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Feb 15, 11:37?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

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For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2.
So
what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable
FMs, the number of AMs is tiny.
There are a ton of AM stations in the D.C area, which I never listen
to, anyway.

And not one is vable. Not one covers the entire metro day and night.

I read, that news/talk/sports on the "clears" on AM are
alive-and-well and command higher ad fees than FM.

As I said, this is not true. they get the same ad rates ("fee" is the wrong
word) per listener as any other station. And there are only 24 or 25 of
those stations (Former 1-A clears) in the whole country, out of nearly 5
thousand AM stations.

BTW, there is more-
and-more negativity surrounding HD Radio, and it is all but dead on AM

No, it isn't. Stations in mmajor markets with good signals (about 150
stations in the top 100 markets) either are or will be on with HD. The rest
don't matter as they have no audience and don't cover their markets.

- IBOC shall die, as DAB has in Canada. *Analog AM will be around for
many years - too bad !

Analog AM is dying. Fast. HD may not save it, but there is a chance. Without
it, AM is fading and the only really big format news/talk, is starting to
move to FM where it attracts attractive listeners for advertisers that it
does not do on AM.

Consumers are not interested in HD Radio, as
75% of consumers are aware of HD Radio, but interest in HD Radio has
been flat-lined for two years:

Interesting, since the "official" launch was in the second quarter of 2006.

Just, like the big launch of 2006 - the Cartel is using the same
failed strategies !

On Feb 16, 5:39�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Feb 15, 11:37?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

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For example, there is no vable AM in Washington, DC. Phoenix has only 2.
So
what you can see is that while a market may have well over a dozen viable
FMs, the number of AMs is tiny.
There are a ton of AM stations in the D.C area, which I never listen
to, anyway.

And not one is vable. Not one covers the entire metro day and night.

I read, that news/talk/sports on the "clears" on AM are
alive-and-well and command higher ad fees than FM.

As I said, this is not true. they get the same ad rates ("fee" is the wrong
word) per listener as any other station. And there are only 24 or 25 of
those stations (Former 1-A clears) in the whole country, out of nearly 5
thousand AM stations.

BTW, there is more-
and-more negativity surrounding HD Radio, and it is all but dead on AM

No, it isn't. Stations in mmajor markets with good signals (about 150
stations in the top 100 markets) either are or will be on with HD. The rest
don't matter as they have no audience and don't cover their markets.

- IBOC shall die, as DAB has in Canada. *Analog AM will be around for
many years - too bad !

Analog AM is dying. Fast. HD may not save it, but there is a chance. Without
it, AM is fading and the only really big format news/talk, is starting to
move to FM where it attracts attractive listeners for advertisers that it
does not do on AM.

Consumers are not interested in HD Radio, as
75% of consumers are aware of HD Radio, but interest in HD Radio has
been flat-lined for two years:

Interesting, since the "official" launch was in the second quarter of 2006.

As I said, news/talk/sports on AM is alive-and-well and command higher
ad dollars than FM. You are just one of the naysayers, who shill
IBOC,as the great savior. The FM band is already over-crowded and
there is no big move from AM to FM.