On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote:
It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it
would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html

Not available until late 2007.

The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive
than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on
Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1
(which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95).

RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007.

http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm

junius

Dear Junius,

This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has
no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand)
and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I
should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to
be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it
possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many
others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be
less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too. A "street
price" of $399.00 would be good IF Etón can manufacture a high-quality
set without the problems that have plagued the E1.

We shall see.

Best,

Joe

P.S. On Etón's web site, the price is listed as $500.00, the same as
the E1. By the way, has anyone beside me noticed the "typo" in Etóns'
ads in POPULAR COMMUNICATIONS and MONITORING TIMES where the price for
the Grundig G5 is listed at $50.00 instead of $150.00? If only it were
true ...

On Feb 15, 4:22 pm, "Joe Analssandrini"
wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote:





It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it
would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html

Not available until late 2007.

The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive
than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on
Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1
(which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95).

RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007.

http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm

junius

Dear Junius,

This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has
no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand)
and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I
should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to
be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it
possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many
others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be
less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too. A "street
price" of $399.00 would be good IF Etón can manufacture a high-quality
set without the problems that have plagued the E1.

We shall see.

Best,

Joe

P.S. On Etón's web site, the price is listed as $500.00, the same as
the E1. By the way, has anyone beside me noticed the "typo" in Etóns'
ads in POPULAR COMMUNICATIONS and MONITORING TIMES where the price for
the Grundig G5 is listed at $50.00 instead of $150.00? If only it were
true ...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello Joe,

Right you are on the Eton website pricing. It could be that the G1
offers nothing but the Grundig name and the lack of XM...all for the
same $500 price!
It's interesting that on Universal's website, the E5 and the G5 are
both priced at $149.95, yet the Eton E5 comes with a free Grundig
FR200 radio, whereas there's no such bonus with the G5! I suppose
either way, you get the Grundig name; it's just a matter of whether
you want it on the re-cabinet-ed Degen set or on the wind-up
"emergency" radio...

In any case, I personally feel that the "problems that have plagued
the E1" are a bit over-hyped. Admittedly, the recall issue was
something of a disaster for public perception of this product. But
issues with the E1 are by no means in the realm of those that plagued
the Satellit 800 (a radio which, incidentally, I find to be one of the
most pleasant to listen to shortwave radios of all the sets I've
owned).

On the whole, however, the E1 is a stellar performer, particularly
when compared with other portable shortwave receivers (for $500,
though, one should expect that, right?). The +/- 0.04 or 0.05 kHz
drift issue is really the only issue that folks seemed to have
regularly noted with this set, from what I've seen. And really this
is a pretty minor issue for most listeners. In fact, as I recall, Guy
Atkins once posted a message in this group as to how to resolve this
frequency offset issue. Also, as I recall, the E1 received some pretty
decent praise from Mr. Atkins, who got some pretty impressive results
using his E1 on one of his DXpeditions up there in Washington state.
Indeed, I find the E1 ideal for these sorts of DXing excursions, where
you want something with a fuller range of features than your average
portable, but when you don't feel like lugging about a heavy DC power
supply to power up a tabletop.

To each his/her own, though. I realize that there are gripes on the
price of the E1; and I'd like to see it come down, myself. Admittedly,
I certainly didn't pay full retail for mine; I picked it up with one
of the Sharper Image's 20% off discounts (and that's a pretty decent
discount on a $500 radio, even if you do have to pay SI's outrageous S/
H fees!).

As for what the story is on the G1, it's as you said, Joe: we shall
see...

All the best,

Junius

On Feb 16, 12:44�am, "junius" wrote:
On Feb 15, 4:22 pm, "Joe Analssandrini"
wrote:





On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote:

It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it
would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html

Not available until late 2007.

The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive
than that of the $500 E1XM: *The G1's list price is $500 on
Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1
(which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95).

RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007.

http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm

junius

Dear Junius,

This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has
no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand)
and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I
should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to
be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it
possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many
others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be
less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too. A "street
price" of $399.00 would be good IF Etón can manufacture a high-quality
set without the problems that have plagued the E1.

We shall see.

Best,

Joe

P.S. On Etón's web site, the price is listed as $500.00, the same as
the E1. By the way, has anyone beside me noticed the "typo" in Etóns'
ads in POPULAR COMMUNICATIONS and MONITORING TIMES where the price for
the Grundig G5 is listed at $50.00 instead of $150.00? If only it were
true ...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello Joe,

Right you are on the Eton website pricing. *It could be that the G1
offers nothing but the Grundig name and the lack of XM...all for the
same $500 price!
It's interesting that on Universal's website, the E5 and the G5 are
both priced at $149.95, yet the Eton E5 comes with a free Grundig
FR200 radio, whereas there's no such bonus with the G5! I suppose
either way, you get the Grundig name; it's just a matter of whether
you want it on the re-cabinet-ed Degen set or on the wind-up
"emergency" radio...

In any case, I personally feel that the "problems that have plagued
the E1" are a bit over-hyped. *Admittedly, the recall issue was
something of a disaster for public perception of this product. But
issues with the E1 are by no means in the realm of those that plagued
the Satellit 800 (a radio which, incidentally, I find to be one of the
most pleasant to listen to shortwave radios of all the sets I've
owned).

On the whole, however, the E1 is a stellar performer, particularly
when compared with other portable shortwave receivers (for $500,
though, one should expect that, right?). The +/- 0.04 or 0.05 kHz
drift issue is really the only issue that folks seemed to have
regularly noted with this set, from what I've seen. *And really this
is a pretty minor issue for most listeners. In fact, as I recall, Guy
Atkins once posted a message in this group as to how to resolve this
frequency offset issue. Also, as I recall, the E1 received some pretty
decent praise from Mr. Atkins, who got some pretty impressive results
using his E1 on one of his DXpeditions up there in Washington state.
Indeed, I find the E1 ideal for these sorts of DXing excursions, where
you want something with a fuller range of features than your average
portable, but when you don't feel like lugging about a heavy DC power
supply to power up a tabletop.

To each his/her own, though. *I realize that there are gripes on the
price of the E1; and I'd like to see it come down, myself. Admittedly,
I certainly didn't pay full retail for mine; I picked it up with one
of the Sharper Image's 20% off discounts (and that's a pretty decent
discount on a $500 radio, even if you do have to pay SI's outrageous S/
H fees!).

As for what the story is on the G1, it's as you said, Joe: *we shall
see...

All the best,

Junius- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Duck - the batteries blow up, when used with the AC adaptor - Chinese-
made junk !

Joe Analssandrini wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote:
It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it
would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html

Not available until late 2007.

The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive
than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on
Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1
(which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95).

RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007.

http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm

junius

Dear Junius,

This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has
no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand)
and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I
should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to
be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it
possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many
others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be
less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too.


Don't count on it.

E1 is 'XM' ready. That's not to say it's an XM radio. It requires an
XM antenna and the outboard XM tuning module. Both optional extras at
additional cost. The only thing the radio does to produce XM is address
the outboard XM tuning module through the operating system. If the XM
outboard tuning module is not connected, the XM functionality doesn't
show up in the O/S.

Removing XM capability requires little more than removing the
connector for the outboard tuning module.

On Feb 20, 3:43 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote:
It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it
would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html

Not available until late 2007.

The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive
than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on
Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1
(which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95).

RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007.

http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm

junius

Dear Junius,

This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has
no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand)
and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I
should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to
be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it
possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many
others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be
less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too.

Don't count on it.

E1 is 'XM' ready. That's not to say it's an XM radio. It requires an
XM antenna and the outboard XM tuning module. Both optional extras at
additional cost. The only thing the radio does to produce XM is address
the outboard XM tuning module through the operating system. If the XM
outboard tuning module is not connected, the XM functionality doesn't
show up in the O/S.

Removing XM capability requires little more than removing the
connector for the outboard tuning module.- Hide quoted text -

One thing that is not clear from the G1's sales leaflet is whether it
has synchronous detection like the E1. Does it?

RK

rkhalona wrote:

On Feb 20, 3:43 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Joe Analssandrini wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote:
It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it
would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html

Not available until late 2007.

The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive
than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on
Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1
(which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95).

RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007.

http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm

junius

Dear Junius,

This is strictly conjecture on my part - I believe the "Etón" name has
no cachet whatsoever as a radio brand (as opposed to a company brand)
and perhaps they want to see which name sells best. Personally, I
should hope for the return of the Grundig name but the quality has to
be there or else that name too will lose whatever credibility it
possesses. By eliminating XM capability (something I, as well as many
others, do not want on such a radio), the manufacturing cost should be
less and I hope that the selling price will be less, too.

Don't count on it.

E1 is 'XM' ready. That's not to say it's an XM radio. It requires an
XM antenna and the outboard XM tuning module. Both optional extras at
additional cost. The only thing the radio does to produce XM is address
the outboard XM tuning module through the operating system. If the XM
outboard tuning module is not connected, the XM functionality doesn't
show up in the O/S.

Removing XM capability requires little more than removing the
connector for the outboard tuning module.- Hide quoted text -

One thing that is not clear from the G1's sales leaflet is whether it
has synchronous detection like the E1. Does it?

According to this: http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html
it does, and is sideband selectable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, "junius" wrote:
It looks like the Eton E1 (minus XM satellite radio capability, it
would seem) is to be rebadged as the Grundig G1.

http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...able/2001.html

Not available until late 2007.

The selling price on this set could potentially prove more attractive
than that of the $500 E1XM: The G1's list price is $500 on
Universal's website, as opposed to the $700 list price of the E1
(which Universal and other outlets regularly sell at 499.95).

RadioIntel has some pictures of the G1, taken at CES 2007.

http://www.radiointel.com/ces2007.htm

junius

For what ever it is worth XM and Sirius issued the long expected
announcement they will be merging. If this agreement eventually
passes muster at Justice Dept., will the broadcast standards also be
merged? Will one standard win out over the other or will yet a third
one emerge? I don't know, but I would hold off buying into an XM
configured G1 until this is resolved.

On Feb 20, 8:56 am, "Roadie" wrote:
For what ever it is worth XM and Sirius issued the long expected
announcement they will be merging. If this agreement eventually
passes muster at Justice Dept., will the broadcast standards also be
merged? Will one standard win out over the other or will yet a third
one emerge? I don't know, but I would hold off buying into an XM
configured G1 until this is resolved.

The business news about this has concentrated on the
requirement for FCC approval and I've seen nothing
about the technical aspects or details. Has anyone?

The two different satellite-radio systems have differing
technical specs, using different digital decoding and
frequency ranges. How can these be "merged"? Wouldn't
they have to abandon one set of satellites and go with
the other alone? Or could there be dual-technology
receivers that "hide" the different transmissions from
the users and present them with a menu of the whole
range of signals from both sources as if they were one?
Has anyone yet built such a device?

By the way, why does no one ever speak of "hacking"
satellite radio in order to get the signals without
paying the monthly fee? There's all sorts of such
illegal activity for satellite TV and every now and then
you read of the countermeasures used by the sat-TV
companies and busts of suppliers of illegal decoder
equipment, but I've never seen anything about the same
activity regarding XM or Sirius. Is it impossible or
is it just that nobody cares enough to do it?

73, Will

Will wrote:
The business news about this has concentrated on the
requirement for FCC approval and I've seen nothing
about the technical aspects or details. Has anyone?

No, I doubt that any of the reporters care.

The two different satellite-radio systems have differing
technical specs, using different digital decoding and
frequency ranges. How can these be "merged"? Wouldn't
they have to abandon one set of satellites and go with
the other alone?

I have not seen the details but I assumed they would continue to operate
their networks as long as they had customers who wanted them. What would
merge was the back end, the programs, and the business offices.

In the end there would be only one network with two delivery systems.
Similar to broadcast television today. Low defintion TV broadcast over
one channel and high def, but the same programs over another.

Eventually they would decide on one technology. It might be one of the
two they use, or it may be a newer technology that was not available
when the current ones were launched.

There are several ways of dealing with getting rid of the hardware
they no longer wish to support, from simply discontinuing service, to offering
free service or a discount to upgraders, (trade in your old receiver and
get a year's free servivce or $50 off). They may at various times do different
deals.

Eventualy they will just drop the one they won't support.

By the way, why does no one ever speak of "hacking"
satellite radio in order to get the signals without
paying the monthly fee? There's all sorts of such
illegal activity for satellite TV and every now and then
you read of the countermeasures used by the sat-TV
companies and busts of suppliers of illegal decoder
equipment, but I've never seen anything about the same
activity regarding XM or Sirius. Is it impossible or
is it just that nobody cares enough to do it?

No one has advertised it. I'm not really sure it's worth it. The
companies are too small in scope and customer base to make it worth
doing for money. People who want to hear the programs just download them
via the Internet (often illegaly).

Besides the handfull of talk radio shows that are exclusive to the
networks, is there anything really worth bothering? There are lots
of other sources for the music.

Geoff.

--
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IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

On Feb 21, 2:40 pm, "Will" wrote:
On Feb 20, 8:56 am, "Roadie" wrote:

For what ever it is worth XM and Sirius issued the long expected
announcement they will be merging. If this agreement eventually
passes muster at Justice Dept., will the broadcast standards also be
merged? Will one standard win out over the other or will yet a third
one emerge? I don't know, but I would hold off buying into an XM
configured G1 until this is resolved.

The business news about this has concentrated on the
requirement for FCC approval and I've seen nothing
about the technical aspects or details. Has anyone?

The two different satellite-radio systems have differing
technical specs, using different digital decoding and
frequency ranges. How can these be "merged"? Wouldn't
they have to abandon one set of satellites and go with
the other alone? Or could there be dual-technology
receivers that "hide" the different transmissions from
the users and present them with a menu of the whole
range of signals from both sources as if they were one?
Has anyone yet built such a device?

I suspect that there will ultimately have to be a winner and loser as
we saw in the VHS and Betamax wars 25 years ago or in the FM wars long
ago. It makes no sense for one company to maintain and enhance two
incompatible technologies broadcasting essentially the same
information. There would have to be a transition period possibly
mandated by the FCC, but ultimately many fancy satellite radios will
have to become doorstops.


By the way, why does no one ever speak of "hacking"
satellite radio in order to get the signals without
paying the monthly fee? There's all sorts of such
illegal activity for satellite TV and every now and then
you read of the countermeasures used by the sat-TV
companies and busts of suppliers of illegal decoder
equipment, but I've never seen anything about the same
activity regarding XM or Sirius. Is it impossible or
is it just that nobody cares enough to do it?

Probably not impossible to hack, but likely a lot harder. And I
wonder whether the result is really worth the effort.

The real question is whether the merger of two companies companies
that both hemmorage a lot of money will result in anything more than a
bigger money pit. Both of them have rewarded their on-air talent
handsomely, but subscriptions are not generating anything close to a
break-even operation. Also consider they are competing against Ipod
technology and existing free brodcast stations both of which media
offer notable benefits over satellite based radio.


73, Will