Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the
United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been
had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China. After promising
that free elections would be held in Easter Europe at Yalta, Stalin
went ahead and broke his promise. Typical Communism at work. He also
promised that free elections would be held in North Korea. We all know
what happened there. Then we had the Hungarian Revolt of '56,
followed by the Prague Spring of '68. "Workers of the world unite, you
have nothing to lose but your chains." Well, chains is exactly what
they end up with. If they get caught complaining about their
government, or even worse criticizing the "Great Leader", they
disappear into the penal system.
I like being able to complain about my government. I like being
able to call my Prime Minister a jerk and an idiot. I like the
opportunity to vote for something and someone different if I so
choose. And no one is going to come and arrest me.
Anyone ever give any thought to Tibet? What happened there? I
suppose that the Tibetans "invited" the red Chinese to invade their
country to "get rid of Western infection". Ya, right... These
communists sometimes even fight each other. Look at the border
conflicts of the past between the Soviet Union and China. The little
war between Communist China and Communist Vietnam. These systems,
Fascism, Communism, Theocracy, (such as ther Islamic states) Absolute
Monarchys, and other forms of totalitarian dictatorships, rob people
of control over their own lives. They have no respect for the rights
and responsibilities of individuals. The spirit of freedom, liberty,
and individualism is crushed by these forms of government, and the
controling power-mad dictators that sit at the top of the "Party". And
these systems are the greatest murderers in the history of the world.
Almost all the wars in modern times have also been started by them.
The saddest thing is... that the seeds that create these systems
exist in our own western governments. If we are not vigilant, we could
end up with one of these types of government. We are headed that way.
Anyone who says that "It can't happen here" is no student of history.

Now, I would like to copy here, a Tribute to America written by a
Canadian, Gordon Sinclair back in June of 1973. The piece might be out
of date, but the spirit of the piece will never be out of date. It
expresses my feelings as well.
The following, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.

Its subject is America: The Good Neighbor.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to
a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon
Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the
full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the
Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans
as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people
on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent,
Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other
billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying
even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted
and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States
that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities
were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan
and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into
discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating
over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own
airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to
equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the
Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the
International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or
woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you
get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get
automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find
men on the moon-not once, but several times, and safely home
again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their
draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on
our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian
laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to
spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking
down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When
the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke,
nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can
name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when
someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think
there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is
damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come
out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they
are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!

Cato wrote:

Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the
United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been
had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China.


You may not have noticed, but we ARE on the border of Russia. Can you
still easily guess just how things would have been? Exactly as they are now.





mike

On Feb 24, 8:14 pm, m II wrote:
Cato wrote:
Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the
United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been
had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China.

You may not have noticed, but we ARE on the border of Russia. Can you
still easily guess just how things would have been? Exactly as they are now.

mike

Really??? We are on the border of Russia??? Nope, I never noticed.
Canada shares land borders with the United States to the northwest and
south, and maritime claims bordering Denmark through Greenland as well
as France through the French possessions of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon,
to the northeast and southeast respectively. Canada borders Alaska on
the north-west, and the rest of the continental United States on the
south. Canada faces the Arctic Ocean to the north, the Atlantic Ocean
on the east, and the Pacific Ocean to the west. Seems to me that we
have the Arctic Ocean and icecap in the way. A pretty cold and
desolate area of the world. A bit of difficulty there, it seems. You
know exactly what I mean. If you can't figure it out, then go back to
school. I can easily drive my car to the U.S. Take a look at a map of
the world sometime. If we are on the border of Russia, then explain to
me whereabouts on border of Canada you can drive to Russia in a
matter of a few minutes. We have areas on the U.S./Canadian border
where the clubhouse of a golf course is in one country, and the pro
shop in the other, (New Brunswick/Maine) Places where the border runs
right through the middle of a hotel bar, Places where crossing the
border is on a coupple minutes drive across a river, (Niagara River,
Detroit River), or simply stopping at Customs on the road as you drive
along. etc. etc.
Geography and history are two of my big interests, so if there is
some information that I am missing regarding Canada sharing a border
with Russia the way it shares a border with the U.S., then please fill
me in. I'm all ears, so to speak, and willing to listen to what you
have to say.
Your turn Mike.....

Cato wrote:
On Feb 24, 8:14 pm, m II wrote:
Cato wrote:
Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the
United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been
had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China.
You may not have noticed, but we ARE on the border of Russia. Can you
still easily guess just how things would have been? Exactly as they are now.

mike

Really??? We are on the border of Russia??? Nope, I never noticed.
Canada shares land borders with the United States to the northwest and
south, and maritime claims bordering Denmark through Greenland as well
as France through the French possessions of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon,
to the northeast and southeast respectively. Canada borders Alaska on
the north-west, and the rest of the continental United States on the
south. Canada faces the Arctic Ocean to the north, the Atlantic Ocean
on the east, and the Pacific Ocean to the west. Seems to me that we
have the Arctic Ocean and icecap in the way. A pretty cold and
desolate area of the world. A bit of difficulty there, it seems. You
know exactly what I mean. If you can't figure it out, then go back to
school. I can easily drive my car to the U.S. Take a look at a map of
the world sometime. If we are on the border of Russia, then explain to
me whereabouts on border of Canada you can drive to Russia in a
matter of a few minutes. We have areas on the U.S./Canadian border
where the clubhouse of a golf course is in one country, and the pro
shop in the other, (New Brunswick/Maine) Places where the border runs
right through the middle of a hotel bar, Places where crossing the
border is on a coupple minutes drive across a river, (Niagara River,
Detroit River), or simply stopping at Customs on the road as you drive
along. etc. etc.
Geography and history are two of my big interests, so if there is
some information that I am missing regarding Canada sharing a border
with Russia the way it shares a border with the U.S., then please fill
me in. I'm all ears, so to speak, and willing to listen to what you
have to say.
Your turn Mike.....


Both countries claim ownership of the globe up to the pole. I don't
believe we were discussing a particular TYPE of border. In the general
scheme of things people will fight over an area the size of an ice cube
if it's in on a disputed border area.

A neighbour is still a neighbour, whether they're across the alley or
beside you.



mike

On Feb 24, 9:24 pm, m II wrote:
Cato wrote:
On Feb 24, 8:14 pm, m II wrote:
Cato wrote:
Well, this "dumbass Canuck" is damn glad that Canada is next to the
United States. I can easily guess how different things would have been
had Canada existed on the border of Russia, or China.
You may not have noticed, but we ARE on the border of Russia. Can you
still easily guess just how things would have been? Exactly as they are now.

mike



Both countries claim ownership of the globe up to the pole. I don't
believe we were discussing a particular TYPE of border. In the general
scheme of things people will fight over an area the size of an ice cube
if it's in on a disputed border area.

A neighbour is still a neighbour, whether they're across the alley or
beside you.

mike- Hide quoted text -

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Hello Mike:
And then sometime in the future European countries and North American
countries might try to claim the Atlantic Ocean all the way to the Mid-
Atlantic Ridge. So then we would share borders with Ireland and
Portugal etc.
Countries can make any claims that they want. Doesn't mean that
their claims are valid. That can only be detemined by negotiation in
an international setting. The fact remains, Russia is on the other
side of the Arctic Ocean. Canada does not share a border with Russia.
Territorial water extend to 12 miles from mean low water mark next to
land. Exclusive Economic Zone can extend to 200 miles. Anything beyond
that is International Waters. Especially beyond the continental shelf.
This is determined by international global agreements. The UN
Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf in accordance with
the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea has not, to this
point ruled in favour of anyones claims to the area of the North Pole
beyond anyone's continental shelf. The Russians tried to make a claim
beyond their continental shelf for a huge area that includes the North
Pole itself, but they have received no answer beyond a statement that
recommends additional research into the subject. Canada claims the
waters around and between their islands in the Arctic. In any case,
anyone who thinks that Canada shares a border with Russia in any
normal understanding of the term "Border" is badly mistaken. Canada
shares a border with Russia about as much as Canada shares a border
with Scotland.
Let's not try and argue about anyone's supposed claim to the Arctic
Ocean up to the North Pole. At this point in history no one has a
valid legal claim to the North Pole that would be accepted by the
international community. I suppose that there is a possibility that
the situation could change in the future. But then which way would the
decision go? In whose favour? No one knows at this point.
Let's go back to what I was trying to say... If Canada shared a
border with China or Russia (the former Soviet Union), for the past
one hindred years, (a "Land Border" for those who have difficulty
understanding), things would have been much different for Canada. Just
look at what any country that borders (Land Border), on Russia has
gone through in the last one hundred years. Damn glad we share our
border with the U.S.
Back to you Mike.....

I remember watching Kruschev (live on tv) pounding his shoe on that
podium,saying,We will bury you! Russia can't even keep their birth rate
up enough to replace the people who are dying off over there.
cuhulin

Cato wrote:

...
Your turn Mike.....


I never realized cannoks can't read a map.

JS

I have buku maps here.You can get in a car and drive from Alaska through
Canada and way on down through North Ameica and all the way on down to
Argentina.I think.
cuhulin

Why should the US be concerned about Canada? They own it all anyway.
The forest, mines, manufactures, real estate, retailing. There are
very few Canadian businesses left. As long as they behave themselves,
Canadian politicians will be allowed to run their little US franchise
operation and do what they are told by the big boys. Of course, the US
is in the same position: check out who owns the commanding heights of
US business. Don't let agent provocateurs stir up quarrels between
Canadians and Americans: they have much more in common than to fall
for that trick.

On Feb 24, 9:27 pm, John Smith wrote:
Cato wrote:

...

Your turn Mike.....

I never realized cannoks can't read a map.

JS

Refering to what???