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dxAce wrote:
charlie wrote: Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: SNIP With almost everyone at age 18 going into the service, and people serving in the reserves until their 40's, what more do you want? What would you have done with over 200 rockets a day landing on your head? Geoff. One thing's for sure - I am not going to defend the behaviour of Israel (I cannot get my head around the fact that a country based on the experience of the Nazis can turn round and be Nazis). But I have to say that having someone like "dxAxe" prattle on as if he represents America is sickening. You been in Israel, boy? Sounds as if he has been spending most of his time in MOOSELUM mosques! JS |
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Those shake and bake magnetic flash lights.I think it would be nice if
some company started making them with built in radios.An emergency radio flashlight that needs no batteries cuhulin |
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john sumner wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... I look at it this way: We (The USofA) send your country (adopted/country) one hell of a lot of money every year and what do we get out of it? Folks hiding in shelters? Get off your ass, or start repaying your debt to the USofA. dxAce Michigan USA Ace i too think it is high time that the country of Israel should start to fight its own battles and do thir own dirty work in regards to iran I think we only step in for Israel to keep Israel from using nuclear deterrents. There would probably be no stepping back from an incident like that and those MOOSELUMS would finally get that jihad they keep asking for ... JS |
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Roadie wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote: Roadie wrote: A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in an emergency radio. Only in the U.S. Geoff. Do you honestly think that hams will be of any use for providing emergency or weather information in an emergency? They haven't yet. And what possible value could there for the victims of a hurricane to be able to hear BBC or any other international broadcaster on shortwave. The original poster would be much better off listening to local MW and FM broadcasts as was done in New Orleans. Really a good assertion as shortwave is too long distance to really matter for the most part. So you are pretty much left with AM locally within 200 miles and then FM in a 75-100 mile radius. For the average person, unless you are a ham operator you won't be able to find out certain things. Not to mention cell phone coverage will be spotty in any disaster area. Ask the people in New Orleans. Most cell towers will rely on mains power so you're pretty much out of luck. If you can afford the equipment, a satellite phone would be a good thing to have. At least for getting your information to loved ones etc. Another problem I see here is the lack of power and being able to even hear hams on their bands. Anything such as Baygen or windup radios only operate AM modulation and the AM/FM/SW bands but not SSB. I wish that someone would come up with a crank type of radio capable of SSB and digital readout with a BFO. It would be interesting to see a manufacturer make some version of an Sangean ATS-818 or something similar with SSB and capable of being wound up. The other option you might have is to keep some solar chargers around with NiMh batteries. Wind generators might be an option as well for battery recharging as well as solar panels. But in a direct disaster such as a hurricane or tornado you can say bye-bye to solar, towers, and wind. It will be a mess in that instance. Antoher plan would be to put together a wind generator system on your own out of various components and then being able to erect that in an emergency. Again that will be out of the reach of most people due to property restrictions, CCRs, and other zoning stuff. |
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dxAce wrote:
Cato wrote: On Mar 3, 12:31 pm, "HD Radio Fan" wrote: "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in ... Roadie wrote: A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in an emergency radio. Only in the U.S. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog athttp://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ The original poster to this thread is in Canada. Close enough?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, I am in Canada. I live about ten miles from the border at Niagara Falls. Spent a lot of time in both Canada and the U.S. Have relatives in both countrys. Family been here since 1635. When would you like to sign title over? Come on now, you being a nice Liberal, Carbon Footprint, Al Gore, Cock Sucking kinda Canuck *******.. Give it up, Boy! I'm a real Native American... He is actually the indian in the Village People group. |
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Billy Smith wrote: dxAce wrote: Cato wrote: On Mar 3, 12:31 pm, "HD Radio Fan" wrote: "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in ... Roadie wrote: A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in an emergency radio. Only in the U.S. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog athttp://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ The original poster to this thread is in Canada. Close enough?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, I am in Canada. I live about ten miles from the border at Niagara Falls. Spent a lot of time in both Canada and the U.S. Have relatives in both countrys. Family been here since 1635. When would you like to sign title over? Come on now, you being a nice Liberal, Carbon Footprint, Al Gore, Cock Sucking kinda Canuck *******.. Give it up, Boy! I'm a real Native American... He is actually the indian in the Village People group. Nah, he was fake little cock sucker like you! |
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On Mar 3, 6:10 pm, dxAce wrote:
Cato wrote: On Mar 3, 12:31 pm, "HD Radio Fan" wrote: "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in ... Roadie wrote: A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in an emergency radio. Only in the U.S. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog athttp://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ The original poster to this thread is in Canada. Close enough?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, I am in Canada. I live about ten miles from the border at Niagara Falls. Spent a lot of time in both Canada and the U.S. Have relatives in both countrys. Family been here since 1635. When would you like to sign title over? Come on now, you being a nice Liberal, Carbon Footprint, Al Gore, Cock Sucking kinda Canuck *******.. Give it up, Boy! I'm a real Native American...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, well, well.... A couple of corrections in order for our ignorant friend. 1. Nope... not a liberal. I'm a libertarian if I'm anything. I wonder if you even know what that is?... Not every Canuck is a liberal or a socialist, although I do agree it is sometimes hard to see that fact. ;-) 2. Carbon Footprint? Ya I know what it means. Could you elaborate on how it applies to me and not you? 3. Al Gore is a high priest of global warming. I really don't care for the guy at all. I don't even like him since he basically uses propaganda to try and terrify everyone about the doom that is coming, and that it is all our fault. He's been up here in Canada trying to scare the **** out of us about our coming doom. Hey, isn't he a fellow countryman of yours??? 4. You say I suck cocks? Well, sorry to dissapoint you, but I don't suck cocks. Do you? 5. Well, yes, I guess you can call me a Canuck. Since I am a born in Canada Canadian. But a branch of our family has been in the States since before 1776, Some sided with the patriots, some sided with the King. Our family was split up because of that war. (the ones that came to Canada decided to stay loyal to King George III.) Another branch moved to Kansas in the early 1850's, and another group of us moved to California in the 1930's, so our family is full of Canadians and Americans. 6. *******? Both my parents were married. How about yours? Cato |
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Not all Canadians are m IIs.
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Home made wind generators.I like the KISS principal.A junk yard
alternator and a junk yard motorcycle wheel with a good tire on it for a friction drive,or with a sprocket on it for a chain drive.Home made blades attatched to the wheel.Junk yard pipe,or angle iron for the tower.Some good junk yard golf cart batteries and an inverter.You get the idea,cheap and simple. cuhulin |
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Uuuuh, why don't you trust the windup radios. Have you had problems with one? The Baygen radios have been used in Africa for a long time. Over how long a term were you planning to use the radio. In the case of an emergency evacuation, how long a term you would need to use the radio would depend on the type of emergency. As to trusting the wind-up radios, I have read reviews on the internet from people that have had the crank handles break, and the generator fail for some reason or other. I could understand the argument in favour of having one in a shelter setting. But if you are on foot or bike because of vehicle breakdown or some other reason, and you had to carry everything on the backs of you and your family, then you have to become very choosy as to what you would take. Would you want the wind- up analog radio? Or a better radio, a digital. Same size or even smaller and lighter then the wind-up? Do you realize that solar chargers take a long time and that you need sun or light for them to work. That may not be very practical in a real emergency. The newest solar cell technology readily available to the civilian market, is the thin-film, roll-able,or flexible foldable solar cells. It actually uses some sort of nano-technology. I bought a 6.5 watt folding flexible panel at a sale promotion for $79.00. Two days later it was $129.00. The larger more powerful panels cost much more. These solar chargers take up little room in relation to their power output. http://www.21st-century-solar.com/mm...Code=21stsolar And the new batteries available are a real improvement. Look at the new Panasonic INFINIUM batteries, (in Canada they are Panasonic R2 Technology batteries), or the Sanyo Eneloop batteries. These new batteries in AA, and AAA size, in combination with a charger that will charge several at time with the new solar cell technology is just the thing to keep our family going in an emergency. Our FRS/GMRS radios, flashlights, and our am/fm/sw, and our weather alert radio, will keep running. You don't need the sun every day if you only listen a few hours a day at reduced volume. And the new solar chargers charge pretty quickly. Big improvement over older solar chargers. A lot of the newer electronics in vital areas of our countrys is more resistant to EMP then it was years ago. (Although the old tube and valve technology was resistant.) Better shielding, Tested under simulation, and better, resistant technology, (such as fiber optics.) Keep a small radio in an improvised Faraday cage. Cato |
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On Mar 3, 10:29 pm, wrote:
Not all Canadians are m IIs. cuhulin Thanks cuhulin. But I'm afraid I don't know what m ll means. Just goes to show that I've got a a lot to learn, not afraid to admit it. Cato |
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Cato wrote:
Uuuuh, why don't you trust the windup radios. Have you had problems with one? The Baygen radios have been used in Africa for a long time. Over how long a term were you planning to use the radio. Baylis' design has one flaw IMHO. The radio is mechanicaly very complex. It uses a clockwork mechanism to run a generator to power the radio. This makes a lot of sense, Baylis is a mechanical genius. However the clockwork mechanism must run the entire time the radio is running, and the governer has to work smoothly. In a keep using it situation, this is fine, sitting it on a shelf may clog it with dust, or rust it sold. The Grundig FR-200 for example, is much simpler. It uses a motor as a generator. The speed of the generator is not controlled, it charges a NiHM cordless phone battery. They of course have their own problems, I've had to replace mine twice. I expect if I had used it more often, it would have ben less of a problem. The FR-200 is also powered by any external 4.5 volt power supply (wall wart, photocells, car adaptor), and three AA batteries. In the case of an emergency evacuation, how long a term you would need to use the radio would depend on the type of emergency. As to trusting the wind-up radios, I have read reviews on the internet from people that have had the crank handles break, and the generator fail for some reason or other. I could understand the argument in favour of having one in a shelter setting. But if you are on foot or bike because of vehicle breakdown or some other reason, and you had to carry everything on the backs of you and your family, then you have to become very choosy as to what you would take. Would you want the wind- up analog radio? Or a better radio, a digital. Same size or even smaller and lighter then the wind-up? I would carry something small. A walkman type radio would be good, a cheap MP3 player might be better. They are the size of a stick of gum, run 12 hours or so in radio mode on a single AAA battery and cost less than $20. The problem with them is they are FM only. As for how long do you need it, the concept behind post fallout shelter disaster planing is that you needed 24 hours of shelter and supplies. If you were in an area that had severe weather problems more. However your plan was to sit tight until help arrived, and then leave. Hurricane Katrina and the Lebanon war here (ignore the politics, learn from it instead) was that this was not true. Many people got evacuated to a dry shelter only to find that it was worse than where they came from. No food, not enough toilets, no drinking water, etc. If they had stocked up, their supplies were left at home when they were evacuated. Here it was different. Old people, children, etc, stayed in shelters for over a month. Many could have evacuated, most refused to leave their homes. People who did evacuate found they had no money, no job, no schools, etc. Although I did worry in the '80s about the "big one hitting", I would not worry about it now. It's not very likely. Much more likely is a little one, but too big for local authorities to hit. Another hurricane, a terrorist attack and so on. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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On Mar 3, 11:27 pm, wrote:
On 3 Mar 2007 23:18:11 -0800, "Cato" wrote: On Mar 3, 10:29 pm, wrote: Not all Canadians are m IIs. cuhulin Thanks cuhulin. But I'm afraid I don't know what m ll means. m ii is the nick of another poster on here one disliked by Dx Ace and a few others it seemshttp://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Well, Thanks to & cuhulin for filling me in here. I am new to this list, and I am willing to learn who everyone is. Yep, I'm a Canuck, and together with my better half, I am trying to raise three boys. Nineteen, sixteen, and thirteen years of age. My nineteen year old, David, is with the Lincoln & Welland Regiment, and might be going on a little trip to Kandahar sometime coming up. Not sure exactly when. Everyone is a bit worried, but he is following a long family connection with the Regiment. Our sixteen year old is thinking of enlisting, but our thirteen year old is totally into hockey, and shows no interest in the military. (He even has me trying to learn how to skate, and I'm fifty-five) ;-) I enjoy collecting coins, meteorites, reading, camping, hiking, traveling Canada and the U.S., and of course, my little collection of am/fm/sw shortwave receivers. |
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wrote:
... I do wish they'd be carefull what they wish for they just get it JS http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ You know me, I like to see everyone get what they want, would be nice to see the MOOSELUMS get a nice jihad, one with all the bells and whistles on it ... JS -- http://assemblywizard.tekcities.com |
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Hindsight is hindsight.What I would do is at least wrap a few little
bitty (So you got a jobbb in a little bitty city,,,,, it's alrightttttt to be a little bitty,,,,, haie eeeeeee,,,,,,, www.us963.com Jacksonnnnnn,where GOD isn't dead) of any kind individually in aluminum foil and have plenty enough Alkaline batteries for the radios.It's called (if or when the s..t hits the fan) grab it and GO! cuhulin |
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F..K them muslim ragheads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where were those American born muslin M.....rF.....s on September 11,2001? Did we hear anything from them!!!!!!????? www.devilfinder.com Navexpress Blackday 911 cuhulin |
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m II is the Canadian so-called ''expert'' on everything.m II will most
likely remind everbody once again about that time I was at www.bianca.com and I pretended (I admit it) I was a 19 year old girl interested in sex with dogs. Sue me! cuhulin |
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Welland Regiment? Sounds good.I will look it up.
cuhulin |
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I did a google on that, Welland Regiment
Crank up your bolume,real good Music. cuhulin |
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google, Pack Up Your Troubles Song Music Midi Lyrics
Tell your boy, Don't worry about Kandahar.If he doesn't see a bullet with his name on it,he hasen't got much to worry about,,, except maybe STDs from some of them wimmins over there. If you got a lucifer to light your fag, Smile boy, that's the style,,,,,,, cuhulin |
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O'course you know Tipperary is in (Horrors!) Ireland.And I am more Irish
than them crazy Irish bastids themselves. cuhulin |
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Whatever little bitty radio(s) you can grab and a bunch of alkaline
batteries is your best bet.Tell her I Love her. cuhulin |
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Roadie wrote:
Do you honestly think that hams will be of any use for providing emergency or weather information in an emergency? They haven't yet. Huh? You obviously missed the very favorable article on the -front page- of the Wall Street Journal describing the great job the hams were doing during Katrina. Look it up... |
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Any Which Way You Can.(flick on Radio tb rat now) Right Turn,Clyde!
cuhulin |
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first dxAce wrote: I'm a real Native American... then m II wrote: I believe you once said you were one sixth Native stock. It appears you use the race card when it's to your advantage. Interesting...the one who bitterly (and *endlessly*) complains about "fake" Hispanics can't decide if he is 1/6 or full. Does this mean he might be fake himself? Not only did he bend the needle on the "Irony Meter", it actually exploded! No matter, full or one sixth. He has clearly demonstrated (time and again) that he just can't handle that "fire-water". m II then wrote: You should avoid getting drunk in a public forum. Try AA. Please. |
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On Mar 4, 1:09 pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:
Roadie wrote: Do you honestly think that hams will be of any use for providing emergency or weather information in an emergency? They haven't yet. Huh? You obviously missed the very favorable article on the -front page- of the Wall Street Journal describing the great job the hams were doing during Katrina. Look it up... I subscribe, so no need to look it up. I read the article when it first was posted and it came across as faint praise. They really did nothing of substance. Talk to the emergency responders and ask them if they have any interest in or ability to communicate with hams. |
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I read an article before about Ham Radio Operators and Katrina.Ham Radio
Operators can save your Life! cuhulin |
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I am not a Lardass,I have almost no ass at all,to speak of.Lardass
Edweenie once refered to me as, Lard.He done opened the floodgates. cuhulin |
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There was an Airyplane (Katrina) flying around in circles above N'Awlins
broadcasting messages to people in N'Awlins who had their radios turned on. cuhulin |
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On Mar 4, 8:32 am, wrote:
I did a google on that, Welland Regiment Crank up your bolume,real good Music. cuhulin I'm glad you found it interesting cuhulin. I started spending time down at the armoury building when I was a little kid. My father was a lieutenant in the artillery. There are a couple of different unit that operate out of that building. I was only a C.I. with the Army Cadets, helping to train future soldiers. I should have at least joined the reserves. Wikipedia has an interesting article on the Lincoln & Welland Regiment also. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln...lland_Regiment but if you googled Lincoln & Welland, you probably found a ton of stuff on it. Lot of history in that regiment, from the earliest days up through WW I & WW II., and a few trouble areas in various other parts of the world. Anyway, thanks for the kind words cuhulin. I'm sure that our guys are really careful over there when they go after al-Qaeda and Taliban insurgents. It's the damn suicide bomb attacks that cost most lives with our troops over there. At least so far. |
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Tell-A-Troll wrote:
... Interesting...the one who bitterly (and *endlessly*) complains about "fake" Hispanics can't decide if he is 1/6 or full. Does this mean he might be fake himself? Not only did he bend the needle on the "Irony Meter", it actually exploded! No matter, full or one sixth. He has clearly demonstrated (time and again) that he just can't handle that "fire-water". m II then wrote: You should avoid getting drunk in a public forum. Try AA. Please. "Hispanic" is almost a misnomer. Mexico is mainly north, central and south americans. Unfortuantly, the spanish ruling class holds them in a manner closely resembling slavery ... :( JS -- http://assemblywizard.tekcities.com |
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Roadie wrote:
On Mar 4, 1:09 pm, Carter-k8vt wrote: Roadie wrote: Do you honestly think that hams will be of any use for providing emergency or weather information in an emergency? They haven't yet. Huh? You obviously missed the very favorable article on the -front page- of the Wall Street Journal describing the great job the hams were doing during Katrina. Look it up... I subscribe, so no need to look it up. I read the article when it first was posted and it came across as faint praise. They really did nothing of substance. Well, I'm glad you read it. In my opinion (your's obviously differs), it was a little more than "faint" praise (seeing as the author doesn't understand ham radio and didn't necessarily grasp the concept)...but, -you- are admitting *praise* none the less. Furthermore, there is a well documented record of hams giving communications assistance going back to the big floods and snow storms of the thirties, Katrina being the latest big example and I'm sure plenty of documented cases between the 30s and Katrina. Talk to the emergency responders and ask them if they have any interest in or ability to communicate with hams. Well, I have talked to them, thank you very much. I am a Commissioner on the mayor's Emergency Preparedness Committee (for one of the five largest cities in the state) which includes many professional emergency responders. The city purchased and is in the process of installing ham transceivers in the main fire station, Police Headquarters and the city's Mobile Command Center. Furthermore, we have ham transceivers in the Emergency Rooms of 14 or 15 of the major hospitals in the county and have a very well equipped emergency command center in one of the county buildings located in the county seat. So, when you imply "the hams haven't yet" done anything in terms of emergency communications, you appear to be either a ham "wannabee" with a grudge, ill-informed or just plain talking out of your ass and looking to troll... Finally, to answer your question above, yes, I *DO* think that hams will be -and have been- of use for providing emergency or weather information (and can -prove- it with years of documentation and real-life actions). When you say "hams haven't yet", where have you been for the last 70 years or so? |
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Carter-k8vt wrote:
Furthermore, there is a well documented record of hams giving communications assistance going back to the big floods and snow storms of the thirties, Katrina being the latest big example and I'm sure plenty of documented cases between the 30s and Katrina. Talk to the emergency responders and ask them if they have any interest in or ability to communicate with hams. Well, I have talked to them, thank you very much. I am a Commissioner on the mayor's Emergency Preparedness Committee (for one of the five largest cities in the state) which includes many professional emergency responders. The city purchased and is in the process of installing ham transceivers in the main fire station, Police Headquarters and the city's Mobile Command Center. Furthermore, we have ham transceivers in the Emergency Rooms of 14 or 15 of the major hospitals in the county and have a very well equipped emergency command center in one of the county buildings located in the county seat. It's more a problem of "old timers" versus younger hams. The hams that help out in emergencies are hams that are practiced in voice communications. While digital communications are now becoming more and more involved, the primary means of assistance by hams is VHF voice, to provide short range communications and coordination. Hams who can clearly communicate using their VOICE, are needed and well appreicated. Hams who don't even own microphones, and have no practice speaking clearly aren't needed anymore. Health and welfare messages have been moved to the Internet. It's faster, cheaper and easier to use non licensed volunteers to send emails, make VoIP calls, etc. Hams still are needed to get the messages out of the disaster area and to and from the communications centers with working Internet access, but that is no longer done with morse code. That's the real reson why the FCC and everyone else is dropping morse code as a license requirment. The world has moved on, It's no longer a skill that emergency services or the millitary need in an emergency. As fas being visible, a ham with a VHF transciever provinding communications does not look any different than any other emergency service person. They may wear a vest that says RADIO or COMMUNICATIONS on it, and wear a hat with some funny letters on it, or manybe not. They just fit in and do their jobs, like any other professional. Reporters simply don't notice that they are hams, or care. They write what their handlers tell them. Their handlers tell them that everyone works together and gets the job done. They don't single out hams. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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VHF Radios was invented in my home State of MISSISSIPPI,over yonder in
MERIDIAN,MISSISSIPPI,about 90/100 miles East of doggy's couch.So were Aircraft refueling Balves [[Valves,if you aren't Polish,you don't ''get it'']] in the air (U.S.Air Force likes them Balves) refueling Balves.So was the Stetson Hats,Dunns Falls,Mississippi.I don't own a Stetson Hat,those folks over there in Texas stold it. cuhulin |
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On Mar 1, 9:58 pm, "Cato" wrote:
O.K., so you're setting up emegency evacuation packs for your family, and space and weight are serious considerations, what with food, clothing tent sleeping bags etc. If you thought that you might have to abandon your vehicle and use bikes or go on foot, what radio would you consider? If you were to pack a A.M./F.M./ Shortwave receiver, which one would it be, and why? Would you pack a wind-up antenna, or a small active loop? Would it be a wind-up, multiple power source radio? Or would you pack a small digital radio with extra batteries, or rechargeables with a seperate solar charger? What would your decision be, and your arguments in defense of your decision? My Hallicrafters TW-200A, it is already a suitcase and has a handle on it! |
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Roadie wrote:
All I've read are your generalities...please provide the specific instances of where they truly did something. Each month, QST has a column called "Public Service". If you are that interested, I suggest you read those columns. (Please note that QST is available on CD all the way back to Volume 1, Number 1). I am not going to do your homework for you. Also, you say "hams haven't yet" (implying 'never') and then you admit to seeing the Wall Street Journal article (the "specific instance" you are looking for) describing when hams DID help in an emergency. So, that's not 'never'. You called the WSJ article 'faint praise'---but *praise* none the less! If you want to win an argument or make a point, I suggest that you don't contradict yourself. Other times I've heard the emergency net repeating nothing more than old hurricane warnings available on local radio stations and through NWS. I would respectfully suggest that it is a (big) assumption on your part that local radio stations and the NWS will still be on the air. During Katrina many were not. Buying equipment to place in your emergency stations is one thing. Finding a use for it is something entirely different. Think about what you just said--"Finding a use for it is something entirely different". Yes, finding a use is indeed "entirely different". Its -use- is emergency/disaster communications...and if we *never* have an emergency or disaster, well, that's just fine with me! So, I'm not sure of your point--unless you are wishing a disaster on people. We've chased around this tree long enough. I think (and have 70 years of QST to back me up) that hams have and can continue to provide communications in times of need. Maybe not perfect, maybe not 'professional', but there when all else fails. You, on the other hand, think not just because you haven't heard every incident on every frequency with your own ears. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Discussion over. 73... |
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If your emergency tb weather dudes or dudttes say, Take Cover Now!!!!
Forget your radios.You DO like they Say!,,, NOW!!!!! cuhulin |
Emergency Go Bag. What Receiver?
On Mar 5, 3:05 pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:
Roadie wrote: All I've read are your generalities...please provide the specific instances of where they truly did something. Each month, QST has a column called "Public Service". If you are that interested, I suggest you read those columns. (Please note that QST is available on CD all the way back to Volume 1, Number 1). I am not going to do your homework for you. Also, you say "hams haven't yet" (implying 'never') and then you admit to seeing the Wall Street Journal article (the "specific instance" you are looking for) describing when hams DID help in an emergency. So, that's not 'never'. You called the WSJ article 'faint praise'---but *praise* none the less! If you want to win an argument or make a point, I suggest that you don't contradict yourself. Other times I've heard the emergency net repeating nothing more than old hurricane warnings available on local radio stations and through NWS. I would respectfully suggest that it is a (big) assumption on your part that local radio stations and the NWS will still be on the air. During Katrina many were not. Buying equipment to place in your emergency stations is one thing. Finding a use for it is something entirely different. Think about what you just said--"Finding a use for it is something entirely different". Yes, finding a use is indeed "entirely different". Its -use- is emergency/disaster communications...and if we *never* have an emergency or disaster, well, that's just fine with me! So, I'm not sure of your point--unless you are wishing a disaster on people. We've chased around this tree long enough. I think (and have 70 years of QST to back me up) that hams have and can continue to provide communications in times of need. Maybe not perfect, maybe not 'professional', but there when all else fails. You, on the other hand, think not just because you haven't heard every incident on every frequency with your own ears. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Discussion over. 73... All I hear and read are glowing generalities about how the ham radio operators have saved the day in times of major catastrophe and yet no examples are ever provided. Yes, I know it feels good to think that hams will be the ones to establish communications first and point the way to the city inundated by a hurricane or flattened out by tornado. But the reality is that the professional emergency responders are the ones there first and they really get the job done. Hams have in my experience attempted to set up H&W nets on HF but they fail miserably because there is no self control - everyone has to be first so nobody gets through. Heaven forbid they would attempt anything more complex. There may have been a time directly after WWII when there were enough trained comm guys to allow the amateur radio service to perform something useful in a disaster. But that time has long since passed. |
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