"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
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HD Radio Fan wrote:

A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry
around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and
weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in
an
emergency radio.

Only in the U.S.

The original poster to this thread is in Canada. Close enough?

Are there Canadian weather brodcasts on VHF? NOAA is a U.S. government
agency.


Will there be ANY broadcasts on VHF after the BIG one?

Geoffrey S. Mendelson ) writes:
HD Radio Fan wrote:

A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry
around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and
weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in an
emergency radio.

Only in the U.S.

The original poster to this thread is in Canada. Close enough?

Are there Canadian weather brodcasts on VHF? NOAA is a U.S. government
agency.

But presumably because there existed dedicated receivers for
those weather broadcasts in the US, Canada followed. So there is a chain
of weather broadcast stations here in Canada using the same frequencies as in
the US.

Of course, the location reference was that shortwave reception wasn't
particularly useful in the US (so yes, properly it would have made sense
to use "North America" there), since in North America the shortwave
stations are generally not news sources.

Michael

On Mar 3, 12:31 pm, "HD Radio Fan" wrote:
"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in ...





Roadie wrote:

A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry
around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and
weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in an
emergency radio.

Only in the U.S.

Geoff.

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IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice:
1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog athttp://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

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Yes, I am in Canada. I live about ten miles from the border at
Niagara Falls. Spent a lot of time in both Canada and the U.S. Have
relatives in both countrys. Family been here since 1635.
We have the same type of Weather Alert-Emergency Alert system as
the U.S. Environment Canada runs it as far as I know. We can buy the
same alert radios as in the U.S., We use SAME technology in the latest
radios. Same frequencys. NOAA and Environment Canada have agreements
together on the system.
I agree that a radio with weather frequencys would be very
important. However, for some reason, I don't trust these wind-up
radios for long term use. I prefer to use a small digital am/fm/sw
with spare rechargeables and a solar charger. Reason being that I also
use AA batteries for other things. Some of the new thin film solar
cell foldable chargers do a very good job. I believe the thin film
foldables were developed for the military. I was able to get one for
my kit. along with a some sets of the latest technology rechargeables.
(Eneloop and Panasonic make some of the newest high tech batteries.)
Ya, if you think they might drop the big one, wrap one radio in
something like cardboard, and then wrap it in metal foil . (Faraday
cage). If you think the big one is about to happen, retract all whip
antennas, unhook all other antennas, keep your radios at least ten
feet from any metal pipes, lengths of wire etc. that could act as a
collector of EMP. Any whip antenna should be as short as possible, no
more then 30", and much shorter then that if possible. That's why a
very small radio, with a collapsed antenna length of maybe four or
five inches has a better chance of surviving even if it is not in a
Faraday cage.

Cato wrote:

On Mar 3, 12:31 pm, "HD Radio Fan" wrote:
"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in ...





Roadie wrote:

A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry
around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and
weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in an
emergency radio.

Only in the U.S.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice:
1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog athttp://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

The original poster to this thread is in Canada. Close enough?- Hide quoted text -

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Yes, I am in Canada. I live about ten miles from the border at
Niagara Falls. Spent a lot of time in both Canada and the U.S. Have
relatives in both countrys. Family been here since 1635.

When would you like to sign title over?

Come on now, you being a nice Liberal, Carbon Footprint, Al Gore, Cock Sucking kinda Canuck *******.. Give it
up, Boy!

I'm a real Native American...

On Mar 3, 8:13 pm, "Cato" wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:31 pm, "HD Radio Fan" wrote:





"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in ...

Roadie wrote:

A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry
around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and
weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in an
emergency radio.

Only in the U.S.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice:
1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog athttp://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

The original poster to this thread is in Canada. Close enough?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I am in Canada. I live about ten miles from the border at
Niagara Falls. Spent a lot of time in both Canada and the U.S. Have
relatives in both countrys. Family been here since 1635.
We have the same type of Weather Alert-Emergency Alert system as
the U.S. Environment Canada runs it as far as I know. We can buy the
same alert radios as in the U.S., We use SAME technology in the latest
radios. Same frequencys. NOAA and Environment Canada have agreements
together on the system.
I agree that a radio with weather frequencys would be very
important. However, for some reason, I don't trust these wind-up
radios for long term use.

Uuuuh, why don't you trust the windup radios. Have you had problems
with one? The Baygen radios have been used in Africa for a long
time. Over how long a term were you planning to use the radio.

I prefer to use a small digital am/fm/sw
with spare rechargeables and a solar charger.

Do you realize that solar chargers take a long time and that you need
sun or light for them to work. That may not be very practical in a
real emergency.


Reason being that I also
use AA batteries for other things. Some of the new thin film solar
cell foldable chargers do a very good job. I believe the thin film
foldables were developed for the military. I was able to get one for
my kit. along with a some sets of the latest technology rechargeables.
(Eneloop and Panasonic make some of the newest high tech batteries.)
Ya, if you think they might drop the big one, wrap one radio in
something like cardboard, and then wrap it in metal foil . (Faraday
cage). If you think the big one is about to happen, retract all whip
antennas, unhook all other antennas, keep your radios at least ten
feet from any metal pipes, lengths of wire etc. that could act as a
collector of EMP.

If you survive an event with an EMP sufficient to knock out
electronics I doubt there will be much to hear. Your needs will be
far more immediate.


Any whip antenna should be as short as possible, no
more then 30", and much shorter then that if possible. That's why a
very small radio, with a collapsed antenna length of maybe four or
five inches has a better chance of surviving even if it is not in a
Faraday cage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:
Roadie wrote:
A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry
around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and
weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in an
emergency radio.

Only in the U.S.

Geoff.

Do you honestly think that hams will be of any use for providing
emergency or weather information in an emergency? They haven't yet.
And what possible value could there for the victims of a hurricane to
be able to hear BBC or any other international broadcaster on
shortwave. The original poster would be much better off listening to
local MW and FM broadcasts as was done in New Orleans.

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Roadie wrote:

On Mar 3, 12:11 pm, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:

Roadie wrote:

A radio that uses a built-in generator would be much easier to carry
around and keep charged up than your other alternatives. AM, FM and
weather channel coverage is far far more imprtant than shortwave in an
emergency radio.

Only in the U.S.

Geoff.


Do you honestly think that hams will be of any use for providing
emergency or weather information in an emergency? They haven't yet.
And what possible value could there for the victims of a hurricane to
be able to hear BBC or any other international broadcaster on
shortwave. The original poster would be much better off listening to
local MW and FM broadcasts as was done in New Orleans.


Really a good assertion as shortwave is too long distance to really
matter for the most part. So you are pretty much left with AM locally
within 200 miles and then FM in a 75-100 mile radius. For the average
person, unless you are a ham operator you won't be able to find out
certain things. Not to mention cell phone coverage will be spotty in any
disaster area. Ask the people in New Orleans. Most cell towers will rely
on mains power so you're pretty much out of luck. If you can afford the
equipment, a satellite phone would be a good thing to have. At least for
getting your information to loved ones etc.

Another problem I see here is the lack of power and being able to even
hear hams on their bands. Anything such as Baygen or windup radios only
operate AM modulation and the AM/FM/SW bands but not SSB. I wish that
someone would come up with a crank type of radio capable of SSB and
digital readout with a BFO. It would be interesting to see a
manufacturer make some version of an Sangean ATS-818 or something
similar with SSB and capable of being wound up.

The other option you might have is to keep some solar chargers around
with NiMh batteries. Wind generators might be an option as well for
battery recharging as well as solar panels. But in a direct disaster
such as a hurricane or tornado you can say bye-bye to solar, towers, and
wind. It will be a mess in that instance.

Antoher plan would be to put together a wind generator system on your
own out of various components and then being able to erect that in an
emergency. Again that will be out of the reach of most people due to
property restrictions, CCRs, and other zoning stuff.

Roadie wrote:

Do you honestly think that hams will be of any use for providing
emergency or weather information in an emergency? They haven't yet.

Huh?

You obviously missed the very favorable article on the -front page- of
the Wall Street Journal describing the great job the hams were doing
during Katrina.

Look it up...

On Mar 4, 1:09 pm, Carter-k8vt wrote:
Roadie wrote:
Do you honestly think that hams will be of any use for providing
emergency or weather information in an emergency? They haven't yet.

Huh?

You obviously missed the very favorable article on the -front page- of
the Wall Street Journal describing the great job the hams were doing
during Katrina.

Look it up...

I subscribe, so no need to look it up. I read the article when it
first was posted and it came across as faint praise. They really did
nothing of substance. Talk to the emergency responders and ask them
if they have any interest in or ability to communicate with hams.