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David Eduardo March 5th 07 10:50 PM

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wrote in message
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On Mar 5, 7:36?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Guerite" wrote in message

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and with only 60% the coverage of analog.


Using 1/100th the power of the equivelent analog's signal carrier. Thus
a
power savings to the station.


And, as discussed, on FM the "used" coverage area is the 64 dbu curve.
Over
80% of listening is in the 70 dbu, and the rest in the 64 to 69 dbu
contour.

The HD signal at least matches the 64 dbu useful and used contour. On AM,
the HD signal is often listenable beyond the "used and useful" contour of
the analog signal.


HD/IBOC causes adjacent-channel interference and has only 60% the
coverage of analog.

There is a difference between arbitrary signal contours and a usable signal.
The FM HD coverage is about the same as the usable, useful FM analog signal,
and in noisy markets, the AM HD in some cases extends beyond the usable
analog contour, especially at night if the protected contour is a high
value.



dxAce March 5th 07 10:51 PM

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David Eduardo wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 5, 7:23?pm, "Guerite?" wrote:
wrote

HD's channels are low-bitrate streams


The station has a certain digital HD bandwidth that they can utilize as
they
wish. They can allocate the full HD bandwidth to a single channel for the
best sound. On FM that would result in a CD quality sound. Or they can
divy
up the bandwidth into 2 or 3 channels for lesser quality sound in each
channel.

of the same repetitive programming


If a station chooses to transmit two (2) HD channels, and many do, the
second HD channel's programming (HD2) is unique while the first HD channel
is the superioir sounding digital version of the analog signal broadcast.

causing adjacent-channel interference


Digital is digital - there is no static, noise, interference or fading
whatsoever on HD radio.

and with only 60% the coverage of analog.


Using 1/100th the power of the equivelent analog's signal carrier. Thus a
power savings to the station.


HD/IBOC requires much more power than alaog broadcasting - you lose !

Nope, it is a fraction of the power. A 50 kw AM uses a 500 watt HD signal on
the same frequency


And pumps out 50kW of QRM!



Mike March 6th 07 12:41 AM

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"Guerite©" wrote in message
...
In any case, HD sounds far better than any analog signal. HD radio
stations
will abandon analog and redirect the full station power of their
amplifiers
towards the HD digital stream.



Indeed. I just checked at www.hdradio.com. I had no idea there were so
many HD FM stations in my city (6). All have a 2nd channel also, so this
makes 6 new stations in my city!

I'll certainly be getting a HD radio this year, and I don't understand all
the opposition to it in this group. Is it just a case of old
farts/curmudgeons opposing something new? I *really* don't understand the
idea of clinging to what is essentially 100 year old technology - analog
radio. Are some of you lamenting the death of incandescent light bulbs
also?

HD radio will happen much like HD TV did. Prices will drop until Critical
Mass is reached, then it will take over. Once you see HD TV, you realize
how bad the old system was.

Mike



Telamon March 6th 07 05:36 AM

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 5, 6:11?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



They'd better get some HD listeners before they do that, elsewise their
listeners will abandon them.

A low power, 9mm HD single chip decoder that uses 10% of the power of the
current chipsets headlines Radio World this week. Using this chip,
portables
are now possible with long battery life and the price point comes way
down
due to component materials. This is the evolutionary development we were
waiting for that will make receivers better and cheaper.


HD Radios will never sell.


Ah, Wal-Mart put the first HD radio on sale this week. The momentum is
building, and will continue over the next several years.


The only momentum I see building is the number of posts you make on the
subject.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon March 6th 07 05:37 AM

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Guerite©" wrote in message
...

LOL ! :-)


"The decision has no impact on news and talk stations who stream."

Besides, the laugh is on you since this will put the nail in analog
radio's
coffin.



Today:

HD Radio's latest score - Wal-Mart, in nearly 2000 stores.
Wal-Mart will begin by stocking the JVC HD-W10 Mobile receiver for about
$190 - and you can expect to hear spots promoting the new tie-in on HD Radio
Alliance member stations. Alliance chief Peter Ferrara says "Wal-Mart brings
HD Radio to an incredible new level of reach and power."


So Wall mart is gonna change AM radio. Give me a break.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon March 6th 07 05:38 AM

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason. posing as 'Eduardo' Univisions number cruncher
and
Grand Master Shill wrote:

"Guerite©" wrote in message
...

LOL ! :-)

"The decision has no impact on news and talk stations who stream."

Besides, the laugh is on you since this will put the nail in analog
radio's
coffin.



Today:

HD Radio's latest score - Wal-Mart, in nearly 2000 stores.
Wal-Mart will begin by stocking the JVC HD-W10 Mobile receiver for about
$190 - and you can expect to hear spots promoting the new tie-in on HD
Radio
Alliance member stations. Alliance chief Peter Ferrara says "Wal-Mart
brings
HD Radio to an incredible new level of reach and power."


Leave it to Wal-Mart to make QRM affordable.


It ain't QRM/N if nobody hears it.


I hear it so it "is" QRM.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon March 6th 07 05:40 AM

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

It ain't QRM/N if nobody hears it.


Damn, that's some fantasy world you live in.


Nah, just reality. Creating interference to stations that get no listening
in the interference zone is a small price to keep terrestrial radio
competitive.


Excuse me, I hear it and it interferes with my reception.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon March 6th 07 05:42 AM

Decision Has NO IMPACTon HD/Internet/XM/Sirius News and Talk Stations
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 5, 7:23?pm, "Guerite?" wrote:
wrote

HD's channels are low-bitrate streams


The station has a certain digital HD bandwidth that they can utilize as
they
wish. They can allocate the full HD bandwidth to a single channel for the
best sound. On FM that would result in a CD quality sound. Or they can
divy
up the bandwidth into 2 or 3 channels for lesser quality sound in each
channel.

of the same repetitive programming


If a station chooses to transmit two (2) HD channels, and many do, the
second HD channel's programming (HD2) is unique while the first HD channel
is the superioir sounding digital version of the analog signal broadcast.

causing adjacent-channel interference


Digital is digital - there is no static, noise, interference or fading
whatsoever on HD radio.

and with only 60% the coverage of analog.


Using 1/100th the power of the equivelent analog's signal carrier. Thus a
power savings to the station.


HD/IBOC requires much more power than alaog broadcasting - you lose !

Nope, it is a fraction of the power. A 50 kw AM uses a 500 watt HD signal on
the same frequency


This is pure baloney. Same crapola the DRM crowd tried to pass off on
the general public.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon March 6th 07 05:44 AM

Decision Has NO IMPACTon HD/Internet/XM/Sirius News and Talk Stations
 
In article , "Mike"
wrote:

"Guerite©" wrote in message
...
In any case, HD sounds far better than any analog signal. HD radio
stations
will abandon analog and redirect the full station power of their
amplifiers
towards the HD digital stream.



Indeed. I just checked at www.hdradio.com. I had no idea there were so
many HD FM stations in my city (6). All have a 2nd channel also, so this
makes 6 new stations in my city!

I'll certainly be getting a HD radio this year, and I don't understand all
the opposition to it in this group. Is it just a case of old
farts/curmudgeons opposing something new? I *really* don't understand the
idea of clinging to what is essentially 100 year old technology - analog
radio. Are some of you lamenting the death of incandescent light bulbs
also?

HD radio will happen much like HD TV did. Prices will drop until Critical
Mass is reached, then it will take over. Once you see HD TV, you realize
how bad the old system was.


It trashes my reception. Is that so hard to understand?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo March 6th 07 06:03 AM

Decision Has NO IMPACTon HD/Internet/XM/Sirius News and Talk Stations
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Guerite©" wrote in message
...

LOL ! :-)

"The decision has no impact on news and talk stations who stream."

Besides, the laugh is on you since this will put the nail in analog
radio's
coffin.



Today:

HD Radio's latest score - Wal-Mart, in nearly 2000 stores.
Wal-Mart will begin by stocking the JVC HD-W10 Mobile receiver for about
$190 - and you can expect to hear spots promoting the new tie-in on HD
Radio
Alliance member stations. Alliance chief Peter Ferrara says "Wal-Mart
brings
HD Radio to an incredible new level of reach and power."


So Wall mart is gonna change AM radio. Give me a break.


No, it is likely nobody can. But HD is being sold mostly to listen to FM.



David Eduardo March 6th 07 06:04 AM

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

It ain't QRM/N if nobody hears it.

Damn, that's some fantasy world you live in.


Nah, just reality. Creating interference to stations that get no
listening
in the interference zone is a small price to keep terrestrial radio
competitive.


Excuse me, I hear it and it interferes with my reception.


If AM dies, as it is doing very fast, there will be nothing to worry about.
The choice is to sacrifice minimally listened to fringe signals to preserve
the service in the primary coverage areas.



David Eduardo March 6th 07 06:06 AM

Decision Has NO IMPACTon HD/Internet/XM/Sirius News and Talk Stations
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Nope, it is a fraction of the power. A 50 kw AM uses a 500 watt HD signal
on
the same frequency


This is pure baloney. Same crapola the DRM crowd tried to pass off on
the general public.


Check the technical specs. We are installing a new Nautel RX 50, which does
50 kw analog and 500 watts digital on AM.

In Band On Channel has 1/100th of the analog signal in the digital mode.



David Eduardo March 6th 07 06:07 AM

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article , "Mike"
wrote:

"Guerite©" wrote in message
...
In any case, HD sounds far better than any analog signal. HD radio
stations
will abandon analog and redirect the full station power of their
amplifiers
towards the HD digital stream.



Indeed. I just checked at www.hdradio.com. I had no idea there were
so
many HD FM stations in my city (6). All have a 2nd channel also, so this
makes 6 new stations in my city!

I'll certainly be getting a HD radio this year, and I don't understand
all
the opposition to it in this group. Is it just a case of old
farts/curmudgeons opposing something new? I *really* don't understand
the
idea of clinging to what is essentially 100 year old technology - analog
radio. Are some of you lamenting the death of incandescent light bulbs
also?

HD radio will happen much like HD TV did. Prices will drop until
Critical
Mass is reached, then it will take over. Once you see HD TV, you
realize
how bad the old system was.


It trashes my reception. Is that so hard to understand?


Does it trash any station in your market area in its primary coverage area?
Even the FCC understands that we are going to sacrifice fringe,
non-protected non-primary reception for the opportunity to preserve free
terrestrial radio.



dxAce March 6th 07 09:21 AM

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Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 5, 6:11?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



They'd better get some HD listeners before they do that, elsewise their
listeners will abandon them.

A low power, 9mm HD single chip decoder that uses 10% of the power of the
current chipsets headlines Radio World this week. Using this chip,
portables
are now possible with long battery life and the price point comes way
down
due to component materials. This is the evolutionary development we were
waiting for that will make receivers better and cheaper.

HD Radios will never sell.


Ah, Wal-Mart put the first HD radio on sale this week. The momentum is
building, and will continue over the next several years.


The only momentum I see building is the number of posts you make on the
subject.


It's because he's a shill!



dxAce March 6th 07 09:24 AM

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David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

It ain't QRM/N if nobody hears it.

Damn, that's some fantasy world you live in.


Nah, just reality. Creating interference to stations that get no
listening
in the interference zone is a small price to keep terrestrial radio
competitive.


Excuse me, I hear it and it interferes with my reception.


If AM dies, as it is doing very fast, there will be nothing to worry about.
The choice is to sacrifice minimally listened to fringe signals to preserve
the service in the primary coverage areas.


Sacrificing CHOICE and creating QRM. Such a deal!

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce March 6th 07 09:27 AM

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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', blew beans out his rear when he
wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article , "Mike"
wrote:

"Guerite©" wrote in message
...
In any case, HD sounds far better than any analog signal. HD radio
stations
will abandon analog and redirect the full station power of their
amplifiers
towards the HD digital stream.


Indeed. I just checked at www.hdradio.com. I had no idea there were
so
many HD FM stations in my city (6). All have a 2nd channel also, so this
makes 6 new stations in my city!

I'll certainly be getting a HD radio this year, and I don't understand
all
the opposition to it in this group. Is it just a case of old
farts/curmudgeons opposing something new? I *really* don't understand
the
idea of clinging to what is essentially 100 year old technology - analog
radio. Are some of you lamenting the death of incandescent light bulbs
also?

HD radio will happen much like HD TV did. Prices will drop until
Critical
Mass is reached, then it will take over. Once you see HD TV, you
realize
how bad the old system was.


It trashes my reception. Is that so hard to understand?


Does it trash any station in your market area in its primary coverage area?
Even the FCC understands that we are going to sacrifice fringe,
non-protected non-primary reception for the opportunity to preserve free
terrestrial radio.


Has it ever occured to you that the FCC might just be wrong, oh bean counting,
bean blowing one?



dxAce March 6th 07 09:50 AM

Decision Has NO IMPACTon HD/Internet/XM/Sirius News and TalkStations
 


Telamon wrote:

In article , "Mike"
wrote:

"Guerite©" wrote in message
...
In any case, HD sounds far better than any analog signal. HD radio
stations
will abandon analog and redirect the full station power of their
amplifiers
towards the HD digital stream.



Indeed. I just checked at www.hdradio.com. I had no idea there were so
many HD FM stations in my city (6). All have a 2nd channel also, so this
makes 6 new stations in my city!

I'll certainly be getting a HD radio this year, and I don't understand all
the opposition to it in this group. Is it just a case of old
farts/curmudgeons opposing something new? I *really* don't understand the
idea of clinging to what is essentially 100 year old technology - analog
radio. Are some of you lamenting the death of incandescent light bulbs
also?

HD radio will happen much like HD TV did. Prices will drop until Critical
Mass is reached, then it will take over. Once you see HD TV, you realize
how bad the old system was.


It trashes my reception. Is that so hard to understand?


Edweenie is one of those unfortunates who has forgotten that for the majority of
us here (most likely), radio is a hobby. Edweenie is NOT a hobbyist, maybe never
was, but he IS a bean counter with a product to sell and promote.

That's the ONLY reason he is here. To defend and to shill for HD/IBOC.

Snake oil!



Mike March 6th 07 11:36 AM

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
It trashes my reception. Is that so hard to understand?


So upgrade to a digital receiver. That's what I'm gonna do.

Besides, HD AM may never take off, for many reasons. Some are obvious and
some are more subtle. But HD FM is a great idea.

Mike


Mike March 6th 07 12:19 PM

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Sacrificing CHOICE and creating QRM. Such a deal!


"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock, "Wrath of
Kahn"

The couple thousand people in the US who actually listen to AM DX don't
really count, as far as the radio stations themselves are concerned.
Personally, I'd rather have clear local reception 24/7 than be able to catch
WLW from Cincinnati every now and then. Besides, I can listen WLW any time
I want on the net.

Yes, this sucks in a way. I have dozens of analog radios, from 1935 tube
antiques (including an E. H. Scott Allwave 23 in a Tasman cabinet that I
have had since about 1970) up through 1970s Grundig Satellit 2100, Panasonic
RF-2200, a Drake R8, and a Grundig S-800, and loads of small portables and
antique 50s/60s transistor sets. Potentially, all of these could be made
useless on AM.

However, I really don't think HD AM will take over. Hell, we are getting a
brand new, 50,000 watt sports/talk AM station here in 3 weeks! 1010 on the
dial for you AM DXers! But if the choice is no free local radio because
everything has moved to subscription satellite radio (because it's digital),
then I vote for local, free, digital, HD radio. And I will vote with my
dollars.

Mike


dxAce March 6th 07 12:23 PM

Decision Has NO IMPACTon HD/Internet/XM/Sirius News and TalkStations
 


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Sacrificing CHOICE and creating QRM. Such a deal!


"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock, "Wrath of
Kahn"


"Damn, quoting some fictional character from a fictional movie lends real
credence to your argument" - dxAce, "rec.radio.shortwave"



Mike March 6th 07 12:42 PM

Decision Has NO IMPACTon HD/Internet/XM/Sirius News and Talk Stations
 
"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Sacrificing CHOICE and creating QRM. Such a deal!


"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock, "Wrath of
Kahn"


"Damn, quoting some fictional character from a fictional movie lends real
credence to your argument" - dxAce, "rec.radio.shortwave"


Yes, it does, considering the truth of the quote.

Mike


dxAce March 6th 07 12:46 PM

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Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Sacrificing CHOICE and creating QRM. Such a deal!

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock, "Wrath of
Kahn"


"Damn, quoting some fictional character from a fictional movie lends real
credence to your argument" - dxAce, "rec.radio.shortwave"


Yes, it does, considering the truth of the quote.


Then by all means continue living in your fictional, comic book like fantasy
world like Edweenie does.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Mike March 6th 07 01:44 PM

Decision Has NO IMPACTon HD/Internet/XM/Sirius News and Talk Stations
 
"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Sacrificing CHOICE and creating QRM. Such a deal!

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock, "Wrath
of
Kahn"

"Damn, quoting some fictional character from a fictional movie lends
real
credence to your argument" - dxAce, "rec.radio.shortwave"


Yes, it does, considering the truth of the quote.


Then by all means continue living in your fictional, comic book like
fantasy
world like Edweenie does.


While your attempt to shift the issue is typical, it is also transparent.
The quote above serves to illustrate what is happening with HD radio. If
enough people are willing to support it and vote with their dollars (I am)
then it will succeed, regardless of what you and other "analog or die!"
types say or do. Money always talks. Radio stations aren't going to
cater to people who are outside of their primary market. If the primary
market demands HD radio, then it will happen. If a few thousand DXers
suffer, too bad. Millions of others will benefit.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It doesn't matter
*who* said it, because it's true.

Mike


dxAce March 6th 07 01:50 PM

Decision Has NO IMPACTon HD/Internet/XM/Sirius News and TalkStations
 


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Sacrificing CHOICE and creating QRM. Such a deal!

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock, "Wrath
of
Kahn"

"Damn, quoting some fictional character from a fictional movie lends
real
credence to your argument" - dxAce, "rec.radio.shortwave"

Yes, it does, considering the truth of the quote.


Then by all means continue living in your fictional, comic book like
fantasy
world like Edweenie does.


While your attempt to shift the issue is typical, it is also transparent.
The quote above serves to illustrate what is happening with HD radio. If
enough people are willing to support it and vote with their dollars (I am)
then it will succeed, regardless of what you and other "analog or die!"
types say or do. Money always talks. Radio stations aren't going to
cater to people who are outside of their primary market. If the primary
market demands HD radio, then it will happen. If a few thousand DXers
suffer, too bad. Millions of others will benefit.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It doesn't matter
*who* said it, because it's true.


But it's not a need at all... as AM radio serves everyone quite well at the
present time without HD/IBOC.

I'd characterize it more as a 'want' on the part of the few, rather than a
'need' of the many.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



Mike March 6th 07 02:38 PM

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It doesn't matter
*who* said it, because it's true.


But it's not a need at all... as AM radio serves everyone quite well at
the
present time without HD/IBOC.


Yes, it serves it's aging and declining audience quite well. If it wants
to survive another 70 years, then it *may* have to change.

IAC, I'm not talking about AM HD. AM HD seems like a waste of time, like
"AM stereo" was 20 years ago. I'm talking about FM HD. FM was originally
designed for high fidelity. Then we got stereo, a big improvement. Now
it's time to go digital, another big improvement, with the added side
benefit of more channels in the same bandwidth.

I'd characterize it more as a 'want' on the part of the few, rather than a
'need' of the many.


Don't discount "wants". The "wants' of the many also outweigh the "wants"
of the few. If more people want HD AM than want analog AM then guess who
wins? If not, then things will stay the same. That's the thing about
"majority rules".

Mike


[email protected] March 6th 07 02:57 PM

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On Mar 6, 12:38�pm, "Mike" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. *It doesn't matter
*who* said it, because it's true.


But it's not a need at all... as AM radio serves everyone quite well at
the
present time without HD/IBOC.


Yes, it serves it's aging and declining audience quite well. * If it wants
to survive another 70 years, then it *may* have to change.

IAC, I'm not talking about AM HD. * AM HD seems like a waste of time, like
"AM stereo" was 20 years ago. *I'm talking about FM HD. * FM was originally
designed for high fidelity. * Then we got stereo, a big improvement. * Now
it's time to go digital, another big improvement, with the added side
benefit of more channels in the same bandwidth.

I'd characterize it more as a 'want' on the part of the few, rather than a
'need' of the many.


Don't discount "wants". * The "wants' of the many also outweigh the "wants"
of the few. * *If more people want HD AM than want analog AM then guess who
wins? * If not, then things will stay the same. * That's the thing about
"majority rules".

Mike


No one wants HD Radio:

http://www.alexaholic.com/ibiquity.c...om+xmradio.com

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd...ius%2C+podcast


Mike March 6th 07 03:03 PM

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wrote in message
ps.com...

No one wants HD Radio:


Clearly someone does.

Mike


Mike March 6th 07 03:07 PM

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wrote in message
ps.com...

No one wants HD Radio:


Except that there is clearly an upward trend:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd...o=all&date=all

Mike


David Eduardo March 6th 07 03:16 PM

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


?

Edweenie is one of those unfortunates who has forgotten that for the
majority of
us here (most likely), radio is a hobby. Edweenie is NOT a hobbyist, maybe
never
was, but he IS a bean counter with a product to sell and promote.


A. Explain the TenTec, Drake and ICOM receivers I have.
B. Explain being a founder and original board member of IRCA.
C. Explain nearly 45 years of NRC membership.
D. Explain why I published the only accurate Latin American log in 1963.
E. Explain why I have visited dozens of stations to get veries for MW DXers.
F. Explain the 2200 veries I had in my collection.

That's the ONLY reason he is here. To defend and to shill for HD/IBOC.


It's a valid DX subject. Interestingly, we are now seeing reports of HD
signal DX, some over 1000 miles on MW.



David Eduardo March 6th 07 03:22 PM

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...

But it's not a need at all... as AM radio serves everyone quite well at
the
present time without HD/IBOC.


No, it does not. Most AM listening is in over-55 year olds, and in the
under-45 group, less than 10% are using AM... even less as you move younger.
In a few more years, AM will essentially be an arcane service for retirees,
unless something is done to reverse the trend... and that something is HD:

I'd characterize it more as a 'want' on the part of the few, rather than a
'need' of the many.


AM is irrelevant to most Americans. More than 60% NEVER use it.



[email protected] March 6th 07 04:45 PM

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I get about sixty nine XM music channels with my DirecTV thangy.I only
like the 40s on 4 Radio tb DirecTV channel for Radio tb music,because I
ONLY like the auld,auld,auld Music,and your opinion doesn't count with
me,Lardass edwennie.Screw all the rest of them!
cuhulin


[email protected] March 6th 07 04:52 PM

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I am only sixty five years young.I know what kind of auld Music I like.
Jan Savitt on DirecTV XM channel rat now,,, The Things I Love.Great
Music!
cuhulin
.................................................. ............
You seen the Younger brothers? [yeah,they are in the hooscow over there]
Are y'all the Younger brothers? (([he is younger than me]))
.................................................. ............


dxAce March 6th 07 05:13 PM

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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


?

Edweenie is one of those unfortunates who has forgotten that for the
majority of
us here (most likely), radio is a hobby. Edweenie is NOT a hobbyist, maybe
never
was, but he IS a bean counter with a product to sell and promote.


A. Explain the TenTec, Drake and ICOM receivers I have.


Window dressing?


B. Explain being a founder and original board member of IRCA.


Their loss.


C. Explain nearly 45 years of NRC membership.


Once again, their loss.


D. Explain why I published the only accurate Latin American log in 1963.


Wow... 1963.


E. Explain why I have visited dozens of stations to get veries for MW DXers.


Interesting... however the ones you signed never mention 'Eduardo'.


F. Explain the 2200 veries I had in my collection.


Had.



That's the ONLY reason he is here. To defend and to shill for HD/IBOC.


It's a valid DX subject.


Well yes, when discussing QRM.

Interestingly, we are now seeing reports of HD
signal DX, some over 1000 miles on MW.


Do they QSL QRM?



Mike March 6th 07 05:14 PM

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...
It's a valid DX subject. Interestingly, we are now seeing reports of HD
signal DX, some over 1000 miles on MW.


What is the reception like? Is it fading? Still crystal clear?
Details, please.

Mike


Guerite© March 6th 07 05:33 PM

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You quote an article that is a year and a half old?
BwahaHAHAHA!

ejaculated propaganda




Guerite© March 6th 07 06:46 PM

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 5, 6:11?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



They'd better get some HD listeners before they do that, elsewise

their
listeners will abandon them.

A low power, 9mm HD single chip decoder that uses 10% of the power

of the
current chipsets headlines Radio World this week. Using this chip,
portables
are now possible with long battery life and the price point comes

way
down
due to component materials. This is the evolutionary development we

were
waiting for that will make receivers better and cheaper.

HD Radios will never sell.

Ah, Wal-Mart put the first HD radio on sale this week. The momentum is
building, and will continue over the next several years.


The only momentum I see building is the number of posts you make on the
subject.


It's because he's a shill!


because he is on-topic!



dxAce March 6th 07 07:17 PM

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"Guerite©" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 5, 6:11?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



They'd better get some HD listeners before they do that, elsewise

their
listeners will abandon them.

A low power, 9mm HD single chip decoder that uses 10% of the power

of the
current chipsets headlines Radio World this week. Using this chip,
portables
are now possible with long battery life and the price point comes

way
down
due to component materials. This is the evolutionary development we

were
waiting for that will make receivers better and cheaper.

HD Radios will never sell.

Ah, Wal-Mart put the first HD radio on sale this week. The momentum is
building, and will continue over the next several years.

The only momentum I see building is the number of posts you make on the
subject.


It's because he's a shill!


because he is on-topic!


Nah, he's actually an info-mercial.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



[email protected] March 6th 07 07:27 PM

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I think that married woman in Texarkana,Texas is trying to run some kind
of competion with that divorced woman in Petal,Mississippi.I need to go
pee.
cuhulin
(Petal woman is really from Miami)


Telamon March 7th 07 02:02 AM

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In article ,
dxAce wrote:

"Guerite©" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 5, 6:11?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



They'd better get some HD listeners before they do that, elsewise

their
listeners will abandon them.

A low power, 9mm HD single chip decoder that uses 10% of the power

of the
current chipsets headlines Radio World this week. Using this chip,
portables
are now possible with long battery life and the price point comes

way
down
due to component materials. This is the evolutionary development we

were
waiting for that will make receivers better and cheaper.

HD Radios will never sell.

Ah, Wal-Mart put the first HD radio on sale this week. The momentum is
building, and will continue over the next several years.

The only momentum I see building is the number of posts you make on the
subject.

It's because he's a shill!


because he is on-topic!


Nah, he's actually an info-mercial.


Finally, an answer that makes sense. DxAce broke the code.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon March 7th 07 02:13 AM

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In article ,
dxAce wrote:

Mike wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...
Sacrificing CHOICE and creating QRM. Such a deal!


"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - Spock, "Wrath of
Kahn"


"Damn, quoting some fictional character from a fictional movie lends real
credence to your argument" - dxAce, "rec.radio.shortwave"


Remarkable.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California


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