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[email protected] March 8th 07 05:52 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
SCREW!!!!!!! wlw.Looky here! www.us963.com and,
www.miss103.com and, www.mix987.com
Whatchoo lookin at,Boy!?
cuhulin


[email protected] March 8th 07 06:29 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
wlw,Ranked at ZERO in my BOOK!
SCREW YOU!!!!!!! wlw!!!!!!!!!! GO F..K
Yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
cuhulin


[email protected] March 8th 07 06:33 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
I am fixin to email wlw.**** on those Cincinnati Cock Suckers!!!!!!!!!!
cuhulin


[email protected] March 8th 07 07:24 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
SCREW!!!!!!!! wlw!!!!!! I HOPE THEY GO BELLY UP!!!!!! THEY DESERVE
IT!!!!!!!
cuhulin


David Eduardo March 8th 07 07:35 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

wrote in message
...
SCREW!!!!!!!! wlw!!!!!! I HOPE THEY GO BELLY UP!!!!!! THEY DESERVE
IT!!!!!!!
cuhulin


Must be a bad hair day in Mississipee.



dxAce March 8th 07 07:39 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 


David Eduardo wrote:

wrote in message
...
SCREW!!!!!!!! wlw!!!!!! I HOPE THEY GO BELLY UP!!!!!! THEY DESERVE
IT!!!!!!!
cuhulin


Must be a bad hair day in Mississipee.


This: http://www.davidgleason.com/1998_Radio_Ink.htm is a bad hair day.



[email protected] March 8th 07 07:41 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
On Mar 8, 3:47?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
On Mar 8, 3:07?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





wrote in message


ups.com...


There will always be some news/talk/sports on AM - WLW AM is ranked
#1. AM talk radio is very popular:


... among people over 50.


Daypart Persons 12+ (000)Persons 12+
Mon-Fri 7PM-12Mid 115,563 47


And more than 60% of that is listeners 55+. Unsalable.


I'll let you know, when all of the AMs go dark.

It's not about them going dark. It is about them becoming irrelevant due to
the age of the listeners, the move of news talk to FM, and the change of
mmost AMs to niche programming that is religious or narrow ethnic in nature.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


WHO-AM News Talk Information 9.7 7.2 9.9 10.6
WLW-AM News Talk Information 8.9 9.9 11.2 9.8
WSB-AM News Talk Information 9.3 8.7 9.2 8.2
WGN-AM News Talk Information 5.3 5.5 5.8 5.4
WBBM-AM All News 4.2 4.1 4.4 4.6
WLS-AM News Talk Information 4.1 3.7 3.7 3.8
WTAM-AM News Talk Information 7.3 8.0 6.5 7.3
WJR-AM News Talk Information 4.8 4.9 5.3 5.3
KMOX-AM News Talk Information 8.4 7.7 8.2 8.4
KSL-AM News Talk Information 5.9 6.7 8.6 7.7

http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm

With all these AMs doing so well, and others, news/talk/sports will
not be moved off, if ever, until the baby-boomers die off, then it
won't matter - again, when this happens, I'll let you know.


dxAce March 8th 07 07:43 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 


dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

wrote in message
...
SCREW!!!!!!!! wlw!!!!!! I HOPE THEY GO BELLY UP!!!!!! THEY DESERVE
IT!!!!!!!
cuhulin


Must be a bad hair day in Mississipee.


This: http://www.davidgleason.com/1998_Radio_Ink.htm is a bad hair day.


Of course that was before you became the suave, sophisticated, debonair, fake
Hispanic known as 'Eduardo'.



[email protected] March 8th 07 07:52 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
I have been to Cincinnati a couple of times before.First time was in
1947,only passing through.Second time was in 1967,only passing through.I
am not knocking the Great American City of Cincinnati,pussey.But I got
fed up with wlw.
cuhulin


[email protected] March 8th 07 07:57 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
Bad hair day in Mississippi? I was (WAS) letting my hair grow long,like
George ''Gabby'' Hayes had his old goat hair long.A few weeks ago,my
next oldest sister said, Larry,Get a haircut! and that settled that! I
got a haircut.But,unbeknowest to her,I have a ladys wig I bought at the
Goodwill store ($3.00) last year.
cuhulin


[email protected] March 8th 07 08:01 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
Me and doggy, (well,she is sleeping on her couch with her front legs
stuck straight up in the air) have to watch The Quiet Man movie on
Mississippi Radio tb now.
cuhulin


David Eduardo March 8th 07 08:05 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 8, 3:47?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

It's not about them going dark. It is about them becoming irrelevant due
to
the age of the listeners, the move of news talk to FM, and the change of
mmost AMs to niche programming that is religious or narrow ethnic in
nature.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


WHO-AM News Talk Information 9.7 7.2 9.9 10.6
WLW-AM News Talk Information 8.9 9.9 11.2 9.8
WSB-AM News Talk Information 9.3 8.7 9.2 8.2
WGN-AM News Talk Information 5.3 5.5 5.8 5.4
WBBM-AM All News 4.2 4.1 4.4 4.6
WLS-AM News Talk Information 4.1 3.7 3.7 3.8
WTAM-AM News Talk Information 7.3 8.0 6.5 7.3
WJR-AM News Talk Information 4.8 4.9 5.3 5.3
KMOX-AM News Talk Information 8.4 7.7 8.2 8.4
KSL-AM News Talk Information 5.9 6.7 8.6 7.7

http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm

With all these AMs doing so well, and others, news/talk/sports will
not be moved off, if ever, until the baby-boomers die off, then it
won't matter - again, when this happens, I'll let you know.


Again: those are 12+ numbers, not the sales demos of 25-54. Each of them
does significantly worse in 25-54.

For example, WGN is not even in the top 20 in Chicago in 25-54 in the latest
ratings. This is why its revenues have dropped so severely.

And in most markets, only one or two AMs are in the top 20 in the sales
demos vs. 18 or 19 FMs.

Most major AMs are considering a transition to FM to "get back" the 35-54
numbers they need to be able to sell, or they will become all over-55 soon,
and cease to be profitable. Companies like Bonneville, Clear Channel, Cox
and others are already moving news/talk formats to FM. Others will follow.

It's not about 12+ ratings... it is about the ability to convert ratings to
revenue because news/talk is a very expensive format and revenue is
declining because so much of the audience is over 55. There is no money in
55+... in larger markets, advertisers will not buy 55+.



[email protected] March 8th 07 08:08 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
On Mar 8, 5:39�pm, dxAce wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
wrote in message
...
SCREW!!!!!!!! wlw!!!!!! I HOPE THEY GO BELLY UP!!!!!! THEY DESERVE
IT!!!!!!!
cuhulin


Must be a bad hair day in Mississipee.


This: *http://www.davidgleason.com/1998_Radio_Ink.htm*is a bad hair day.


And, this is your typical day, glued to your computer:

http://www.bobbyworks.com/images/fat...20computer.jpg

Where's your bedpan ?


dxAce March 8th 07 08:20 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 


David Eduardo wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 8, 3:47?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

It's not about them going dark. It is about them becoming irrelevant due
to
the age of the listeners, the move of news talk to FM, and the change of
mmost AMs to niche programming that is religious or narrow ethnic in
nature.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


WHO-AM News Talk Information 9.7 7.2 9.9 10.6
WLW-AM News Talk Information 8.9 9.9 11.2 9.8
WSB-AM News Talk Information 9.3 8.7 9.2 8.2
WGN-AM News Talk Information 5.3 5.5 5.8 5.4
WBBM-AM All News 4.2 4.1 4.4 4.6
WLS-AM News Talk Information 4.1 3.7 3.7 3.8
WTAM-AM News Talk Information 7.3 8.0 6.5 7.3
WJR-AM News Talk Information 4.8 4.9 5.3 5.3
KMOX-AM News Talk Information 8.4 7.7 8.2 8.4
KSL-AM News Talk Information 5.9 6.7 8.6 7.7

http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm

With all these AMs doing so well, and others, news/talk/sports will
not be moved off, if ever, until the baby-boomers die off, then it
won't matter - again, when this happens, I'll let you know.


Again: those are 12+ numbers, not the sales demos of 25-54. Each of them
does significantly worse in 25-54.

For example, WGN is not even in the top 20 in Chicago in 25-54 in the latest
ratings. This is why its revenues have dropped so severely.

And in most markets, only one or two AMs are in the top 20 in the sales
demos vs. 18 or 19 FMs.

Most major AMs are considering a transition to FM to "get back" the 35-54
numbers they need to be able to sell, or they will become all over-55 soon,
and cease to be profitable. Companies like Bonneville, Clear Channel, Cox
and others are already moving news/talk formats to FM. Others will follow.

It's not about 12+ ratings... it is about the ability to convert ratings to
revenue because news/talk is a very expensive format and revenue is
declining because so much of the audience is over 55. There is no money in
55+... in larger markets, advertisers will not buy 55+.


Makes one wonder why station owners would buy a 60+ programmer.



David Eduardo March 8th 07 08:28 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Makes one wonder why station owners would buy a 60+ programmer.


Not really. It's called "experience." And success. Being the only radio
company to get an "A" grade on ratings performance for the Fall Arbitron
sweeps in the Lehman Brothers quarterly report would indicate we do what we
do pretty well. This is the second "A" in a row; we have a series of A-
before that.



dxAce March 8th 07 08:46 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Makes one wonder why station owners would buy a 60+ programmer.


Not really. It's called "experience." And success. Being the only radio
company to get an "A" grade on ratings performance for the Fall Arbitron
sweeps in the Lehman Brothers quarterly report would indicate we do what we
do pretty well. This is the second "A" in a row; we have a series of A-
before that.


I think they're keeping you on for your ability to shill for HD/IBOC.



[email protected] March 8th 07 09:24 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
Put me on the radio and no programer is needed.All of my stuff is ad
lib.I can out do those weenies anytime.
cuhulin


David Eduardo March 8th 07 09:24 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Makes one wonder why station owners would buy a 60+ programmer.


Not really. It's called "experience." And success. Being the only radio
company to get an "A" grade on ratings performance for the Fall Arbitron
sweeps in the Lehman Brothers quarterly report would indicate we do what
we
do pretty well. This is the second "A" in a row; we have a series of A-
before that.


I think they're keeping you on for your ability to shill for HD/IBOC.


We have already converted our top 50 markets to HD. The promotion we are
doing is on air and in-store, and is going quite well, especially for our
all-tejano format in the Texas markets.



dxAce March 9th 07 12:30 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Makes one wonder why station owners would buy a 60+ programmer.


Not really. It's called "experience." And success. Being the only radio
company to get an "A" grade on ratings performance for the Fall Arbitron
sweeps in the Lehman Brothers quarterly report would indicate we do what
we
do pretty well. This is the second "A" in a row; we have a series of A-
before that.


I think they're keeping you on for your ability to shill for HD/IBOC.


We have already converted our top 50 markets to HD. The promotion we are
doing is on air and in-store, and is going quite well, especially for our
all-tejano format in the Texas markets.


The info-mercial plays on, and on, and on, and on.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



[email protected] March 9th 07 12:37 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
On Mar 8, 7:24�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...







David Eduardo wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Makes one wonder why station owners would buy a 60+ programmer.


Not really. It's called "experience." *And success. Being the only radio
company to get an "A" grade on ratings performance for the Fall Arbitron
sweeps in the Lehman Brothers quarterly report would indicate we do what
we
do pretty well. This is the second "A" in a row; we have a series of A-
before that.


I think they're keeping you on for your ability to shill for HD/IBOC.


We have already converted our top 50 markets to HD. The promotion we are
doing is on air and in-store, and is going quite well, especially for our
all-tejano format in the Texas markets.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -




[email protected] March 9th 07 01:00 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
www.miss103.com www.us963.com www.mix987.com All Three ranked A
Number One,by ME.If you can tune in and listen with your computer,you
will hear what I mean.
cuhulin


[email protected] March 9th 07 03:54 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
Don't Mess With Texas,,,,,,, Don't Mess With N'Awlins.If any of y'all
crazy wimmins out there want to mess with this crazy Mississippi Coon
Ass dude.Hmmmmm........
cuhulin


David Eduardo March 9th 07 05:26 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

wrote in message
...
Don't Mess With Texas,,,,,,, Don't Mess With N'Awlins.If any of y'all
crazy wimmins out there want to mess with this crazy Mississippi Coon
Ass dude.Hmmmmm........
cuhulin


what are you going to do? put on your wig and your bra and scare them to
death?



[email protected] March 9th 07 06:09 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
Why,do you want me to put on my wig and my bra? I am not that crazy,not
for you anyway.y'all can listen to any radio shows y'all want too.I am
fixin to put my false teeth in that cup of fizzy stuff and me and doggy
are goin to bed.
cuhulin


HFguy March 9th 07 07:19 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
David Eduardo wrote:

At the present rate, all AMs in a few years will be religious or niche
ethnic focused, once news-talk moves to FM. Sure, there will be AM stations,
but with nearly no listening and serving very tiny constituencies.


Are you saying that FM will no longer be primarily a music medium? If
so, that will be the end of FM for me.

RHF March 9th 07 07:31 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
On Mar 7, 9:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...

"Stars line up for 'Simpsons'"


"Radio ratings: Clear Channel's WLW-AM (700) was the big winner in
spring quarter Arbitron ratings, taking first place with all adults in
morning, midday, afternoon and evening ratings."


And there is no other AM for the next 13 ranked positions in the market.


DE - When 'you' Are Numb3r # 1 (Número Uno)
Who Cares Who The Other 13 Are . . . ~ RHF
.
.
.. .


David Eduardo March 9th 07 07:31 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

"HFguy" wrote in message
news:iU7Ih.5109$ig.1577@trndny07...
David Eduardo wrote:

At the present rate, all AMs in a few years will be religious or niche
ethnic focused, once news-talk moves to FM. Sure, there will be AM
stations, but with nearly no listening and serving very tiny
constituencies.


Are you saying that FM will no longer be primarily a music medium? If so,
that will be the end of FM for me.


One or more FMs will be all talk... maybe even an all sports one, too.



HFguy March 9th 07 07:50 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
David Eduardo wrote:

Again: those are 12+ numbers, not the sales demos of 25-54. Each of them
does significantly worse in 25-54.

For example, WGN is not even in the top 20 in Chicago in 25-54 in the latest
ratings. This is why its revenues have dropped so severely.

And in most markets, only one or two AMs are in the top 20 in the sales
demos vs. 18 or 19 FMs.

Most major AMs are considering a transition to FM to "get back" the 35-54
numbers they need to be able to sell, or they will become all over-55 soon,
and cease to be profitable. Companies like Bonneville, Clear Channel, Cox
and others are already moving news/talk formats to FM. Others will follow.

It's not about 12+ ratings... it is about the ability to convert ratings to
revenue because news/talk is a very expensive format and revenue is
declining because so much of the audience is over 55. There is no money in
55+... in larger markets, advertisers will not buy 55+.


You seem to live in a world of radio and it's relation to money. I would
be insufferably bored with such a life. Do you have any hobbies or other
creative interests? What do you talk about at parties? Can you go a day
or more without talking to anyone about commercial radio?
If I was a billionaire, I would own a large group of commercial free
radio stations across the country with nothing but music and
information. I bet the FCC would try to stop me from doing it because
there wouldn't be any money in it for them or the government in general.

RHF March 9th 07 07:51 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
On Mar 7, 3:24 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...

On Mar 7, 3:58?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message


roups.com...


"Stars line up for 'Simpsons'"


"Radio ratings: Clear Channel's WLW-AM (700) was the big winner in
spring quarter Arbitron ratings, taking first place with all adults in
morning, midday, afternoon and evening ratings."


And there is no other AM for the next 13 ranked positions in the market.


Even your fellow IBOC shills know AM-HD is dead - From Mike Walker
avsforum today:


AM itself is near-death, but HD AM is on nearly every viable AM in the top
75 to 100 markets.


RHF March 9th 07 08:43 AM

I Predict : In The Year 2050 - DE Will Be Dead -but- AM {Analog} Radio Will Still Be Alive !
 
On Mar 8, 6:51 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...



I found your little Arbitron ratings:


http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm


That is 12+ (all ages). Advertisers do not buy 12+, which is why Arbitron
gives the data away. Stations pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to
get the specific age groups, because advertisers want 25-54 and its subsets,
not the 55+ AM gets.



No stations are ranked even close to WLW AM


In 25-54, there is a virtual three way tie for first. Half the WLW audience
is over 55, and useless for sales. And, aside from WLW, there is no other AM
station in the top 15 in Cincy.

- funny, I checked New

York, for example, and there are a bunch of AMs in the top rankings
ahead of FMs.


In 25-54, there is no AM station until you get to #15. The first 14 stations
are all FM. While the #1 station has over a 7 share of listening, the
highest rated AM has just a 2 share.

As usual, you are full-of-**** - be AMs naysayer so this
wonderful, destructive HD-AM can save the AM band. You are simply a
****ing IBOC shill.


Your argument just turned and bit you. My whole point is that AM is becoming
a band only for old people, one that advertisers have no interest in. You
tried to prove something with figures that are meaningless, 12+ ratings. And
the fact is, advertising is not sold on 12+, it is sold on 18-34 and 25-54
adult demos. AM is dying because the listeners are too old and advertisers
can not reach their most desirable consumers on AM.


DE =IF= Everything that you say {write] is True : Then
you have made the Case for FM "HD" {IBOC} Radio
and proven that AM {Analog-and-HD} Radio is Doomed.

Someday right here in the USofA AM Radio will be DEAD.
-Or- At least limited to the role of Longwave (LW) Radio
in Europe - A few powerful {Analog} Radio Stations that
serve a Regional Radio Listening Audience that extends
far beyond your limited "Local Listener" Definition.

DE - In the year 2050 :
* You will be Dead.
* Hey - Most Likely I will be Dead Too.
* AM {Analog} Radio Will Still Be Alive with a
few High Powered {Analog} Stations that can be
Heard Coast-to-Coast. it's a vision thing ~ RHF

RHF March 9th 07 08:48 AM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
On Mar 8, 6:51 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...



I found your little Arbitron ratings:


http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm


That is 12+ (all ages). Advertisers do not buy 12+, which is why Arbitron
gives the data away. Stations pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to
get the specific age groups, because advertisers want 25-54 and its subsets,
not the 55+ AM gets.



No stations are ranked even close to WLW AM


In 25-54, there is a virtual three way tie for first. Half the WLW audience
is over 55, and useless for sales. And, aside from WLW, there is no other AM
station in the top 15 in Cincy.

- funny, I checked New

York, for example, and there are a bunch of AMs in the top rankings
ahead of FMs.


In 25-54, there is no AM station until you get to #15. The first 14 stations
are all FM. While the #1 station has over a 7 share of listening, the
highest rated AM has just a 2 share.

As usual, you are full-of-**** - be AMs naysayer so this
wonderful, destructive HD-AM can save the AM band. You are simply a
****ing IBOC shill.


Your argument just turned and bit you. My whole point is that AM is becoming
a band only for old people, one that advertisers have no interest in. You
tried to prove something with figures that are meaningless, 12+ ratings. And
the fact is, advertising is not sold on 12+, it is sold on 18-34 and 25-54
adult demos. AM is dying because the listeners are too old and advertisers
can not reach their most desirable consumers on AM.


DE - RRS = Old People {55+} = AM Radio - You Are Right ~ RHF

[email protected] March 9th 07 03:29 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
On Mar 9, 5:31?am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"HFguy" wrote in message

news:iU7Ih.5109$ig.1577@trndny07...

David Eduardo wrote:


At the present rate, all AMs in a few years will be religious or niche
ethnic focused, once news-talk moves to FM. Sure, there will be AM
stations, but with nearly no listening and serving very tiny
constituencies.


Are you saying that FM will no longer be primarily a music medium? If so,
that will be the end of FM for me.


One or more FMs will be all talk... maybe even an all sports one, too.


FM is mainly for music and AM is news/talk/sports. These, and other
AMs, are all ranked in the top-5, well-ahead of most FMs:

WHO-AM News Talk Information 9.7 7.2 9.9 10.6
WLW-AM News Talk Information 8.9 9.9 11.2 9.8
WSB-AM News Talk Information 9.3 8.7 9.2 8.2
WGN-AM News Talk Information 5.3 5.5 5.8 5.4
WBBM-AM All News 4.2 4.1 4.4 4.6
WLS-AM News Talk Information 4.1 3.7 3.7 3.8
WTAM-AM News Talk Information 7.3 8.0 6.5 7.3
WJR-AM News Talk Information 4.8 4.9 5.3 5.3
KMOX-AM News Talk Information 8.4 7.7 8.2 8.4
KSL-AM News Talk Information 5.9 6.7 8.6 7.7

http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm

When I talked with KSL, there are just simulcasting in FM, with no
plans of dropping AM. Ths FCC is severely backlogged in granting
simulcast FM slots, and the FM band is already well-overcrowded. If
moved off AM, too many listeners would be lost. AM talk radio is rated
higher than FM, so it isn't going away. You just enjoy trying to make
people feel miserable, with all your doom-and-gloom - HD/IBOC is dead.
**** you.


David Eduardo March 9th 07 03:41 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

"RHF" wrote in message
s.com...
On Mar 7, 9:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...

"Stars line up for 'Simpsons'"


"Radio ratings: Clear Channel's WLW-AM (700) was the big winner in
spring quarter Arbitron ratings, taking first place with all adults in
morning, midday, afternoon and evening ratings."


And there is no other AM for the next 13 ranked positions in the market.


DE - When 'you' Are Numb3r # 1 (Número Uno)
Who Cares Who The Other 13 Are . . . ~ RHF

It does not work that way. The proximity of the ratings of the #1 station
and the first eight or ten others in most markets is dramatic... usually no
more than a share or so difference between #1 and #10 in most markets.This
means, to the ad buyer, that there are 10 #1 stations and rates can be
negotiated agressively.


David Eduardo March 9th 07 03:45 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

"HFguy" wrote in message
news:fl8Ih.590$jf.118@trndny04...
David Eduardo wrote:

Again: those are 12+ numbers, not the sales demos of 25-54. Each of them
does significantly worse in 25-54.

For example, WGN is not even in the top 20 in Chicago in 25-54 in the
latest ratings. This is why its revenues have dropped so severely.

And in most markets, only one or two AMs are in the top 20 in the sales
demos vs. 18 or 19 FMs.

Most major AMs are considering a transition to FM to "get back" the 35-54
numbers they need to be able to sell, or they will become all over-55
soon, and cease to be profitable. Companies like Bonneville, Clear
Channel, Cox and others are already moving news/talk formats to FM.
Others will follow.

It's not about 12+ ratings... it is about the ability to convert ratings
to revenue because news/talk is a very expensive format and revenue is
declining because so much of the audience is over 55. There is no money
in 55+... in larger markets, advertisers will not buy 55+.


You seem to live in a world of radio and it's relation to money. I would
be insufferably bored with such a life. Do you have any hobbies or other
creative interests? What do you talk about at parties? Can you go a day or
more without talking to anyone about commercial radio?


Sure. But this is not an impressionist or puntillist forum, nor is it one
about home repair or about creative writing or poetry or bycycles.

If I was a billionaire, I would own a large group of commercial free radio
stations across the country with nothing but music and information.


Oh, it's already beening done... XM and Sirius. But they lost an aggregate
$1.5 billion last year, so the price is steep.

Just one New York or LA FM will set you back $300 to $400 million, so I hope
you get many billions.

I bet the FCC would try to stop me from doing it because there wouldn't be
any money in it for them or the government in general.


The government gets no more nor no less money from a non-com than a
commercial station.



David Eduardo March 9th 07 03:46 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

"RHF" wrote in message
oups.com...

This is a Valid Static When . . . {Drum Roll Please ! ! !}
51% of the AM Radio Listeners to these AM{HD} Radio
Stations Have AM {HD} Radios +and+ Are Listening to
AM {HD} Radio Broadcasts.
.
However =IF= These AM Radio Listeners are in-fact 'still'
Listening to AM Radio Stations with : AM {Analog} Radios
+and+ Are Listening to AM {Analog} Radio Broadcasts.
.
It All Means Nothing "Nada" [.] {FYI - Thats A Big Period}
.
Numb3rs Have Meaning -and- Are Often Meaningless ~ RHF
.
This Comes from That Place {Both Near and Far}
Where Everything Adds Up to Nothing . . .
[ Die Grosse Welt Von Nichts ]


What it means is that the owners of the major AMs know that they must do
something to change AM... either HD or move the format to FM.



[email protected] March 9th 07 04:10 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
y'all make me laff,sometimes.Metinks I yam going huntin for some new
married and divorced wimmins around this old World to flirt with and
nasty talk with.
cuhulin


David Eduardo March 9th 07 04:31 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
On Mar 9, 5:31?am, "David Eduardo" wrote:



When I talked with KSL, there are just simulcasting in FM, with no
plans of dropping AM.


You called on a Sunday morning. Management is not noted for being in a radio
staiton early on a Sunday morning.Unless you talked to Bruce Reese, you did
not talk to the right person. The person on the air or on the board would
only know today's plan, which is to simulcast to get the younger demos to
listen. In the future, as the AM audience matures even more, the AM will
become unneeded and might better serve the LDS some other way.

Ths FCC is severely backlogged in granting
simulcast FM slots,


The FCC does not regulate programming, simulcasts, changes of format, moves
of format from one band to another, etc.

and the FM band is already well-overcrowded.


So what? We are talking about moving or simulcasting the existing
programming of some AMs to existing, probably co-owned FMs. Band crowding,
the FCC, etc., have nothing to do with this.

Of course, in Phoenix, when Bonneville moved KTAR from AM to FM, they paid
$60 million for someone else's FM so they could do that. They must have
thought it was pretty important to get the news talk format on FM to spend
that kind of money.

If
moved off AM, too many listeners would be lost.


There is no proof of this, and lots of proof to the contrary. When WTOP
moved to FM over a year ago in DC, the total audience increased compared to
when it was on AM. Same in Phoenix, Dayton, Tallahassee, Jacksonville, etc.

AM talk radio is rated
higher than FM, so it isn't going away.


Not true. A good example is the FM talker in Pittsburgh. Just a couple of
years old, it now beats KDKA in the sales demos, while KDKA's revenues are
way off. Moving news talk to FM increases the listening, and dramatically
grows the under-55 demos

You just enjoy trying to make
people feel miserable, with all your doom-and-gloom


AM has had an 85 year run. But it no longer serves most people well or at
all. Time to move on.

- HD/IBOC is dead.
**** you.


When swearing is employed, it usually means the argument has been lost.



Telamon March 9th 07 07:31 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

Your argument just turned and bit you. My whole point is that AM is
becoming
a band only for old people, one that advertisers have no interest in. You
tried to prove something with figures that are meaningless, 12+ ratings.
And
the fact is, advertising is not sold on 12+, it is sold on 18-34 and 25-54
adult demos. AM is dying because the listeners are too old and advertisers
can not reach their most desirable consumers on AM.


AM will be around, until after we are gone.

At the present rate, all AMs in a few years will be religious or niche
ethnic focused, once news-talk moves to FM. Sure, there will be AM stations,
but with nearly no listening and serving very tiny constituencies.


You know what would make a good addition to your web site is a picture
of you wearing one of those board signs on your front and back with the
straps over your shoulders. The signs would read Repent! Repent! Buy a
HD radio before it is to late. The end of the analog radio is near.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo March 9th 07 07:36 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

Your argument just turned and bit you. My whole point is that AM is
becoming
a band only for old people, one that advertisers have no interest in.
You
tried to prove something with figures that are meaningless, 12+
ratings.
And
the fact is, advertising is not sold on 12+, it is sold on 18-34 and
25-54
adult demos. AM is dying because the listeners are too old and
advertisers
can not reach their most desirable consumers on AM.


AM will be around, until after we are gone.

At the present rate, all AMs in a few years will be religious or niche
ethnic focused, once news-talk moves to FM. Sure, there will be AM
stations,
but with nearly no listening and serving very tiny constituencies.


You know what would make a good addition to your web site is a picture
of you wearing one of those board signs on your front and back with the
straps over your shoulders. The signs would read Repent! Repent! Buy a
HD radio before it is to late. The end of the analog radio is near.


Except that the end of analog radio is not near. The end of salable AM
analog is, since the demographics of AM are increasingly 55+, and moving the
viable format, news / talk, to FM is going to be a growing priority. Younger
demos just don't use AM, and it is those demos that generate sales.

Analog on FM will go on for the foreseeable future, although HD offers
multiple advantages, including better, interference free quality of the
analog audio on the HD 1 channel and totally new formats on the HD 2
channels.

AM might gain some life with HD on the few viable stations remaining. There
is no guarantee of this, since the younger listeners currently have no use
for AM.



dxAce March 9th 07 07:40 PM

WLW AM ranked #1
 


Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

Your argument just turned and bit you. My whole point is that AM is
becoming
a band only for old people, one that advertisers have no interest in. You
tried to prove something with figures that are meaningless, 12+ ratings.
And
the fact is, advertising is not sold on 12+, it is sold on 18-34 and 25-54
adult demos. AM is dying because the listeners are too old and advertisers
can not reach their most desirable consumers on AM.


AM will be around, until after we are gone.

At the present rate, all AMs in a few years will be religious or niche
ethnic focused, once news-talk moves to FM. Sure, there will be AM stations,
but with nearly no listening and serving very tiny constituencies.


You know what would make a good addition to your web site is a picture
of you wearing one of those board signs on your front and back with the
straps over your shoulders. The signs would read Repent! Repent! Buy a
HD radio before it is to late. The end of the analog radio is near.


LOL... he's already a few tostadas shy of a fiesta, so why not!




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