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March 25th 07, 04:21 PM
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:51:50 -0400, "Paul Zak"
wrote in : I need to put some time into reading the updated info found at news.announce.newgroup pointed out by a previous poster, as apparently I had old info on how to create a new NG. If anyone has more or other updated info on how to do so, let me know! I thought you wanted to change this newsgroup to moderated, not create a new one. If that is so, (although I don't support it) you'll find information he http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.p...ies:change_mod |
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#33
March 25th 07, 05:22 PM
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On Mar 25, 12:07 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:38:21 -0400, blitz wrote in : Starting a moderated group is, IMO, admission of defeat. It says enough people can't restrain themselves from responding to trolls that it's taking down a group. Perhaps if someone with access to a Unix system created a cron-job to perform a monthly posting of the "Charter" of rec.radio.shortwave, it might encourage the posting of more on-topic articles. It can be found hehttp://www.faqs.org/ftp/faqs/radio/m...g/introduction Path: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!n*ews.me l.connect.com.au!news.mira.net.au!Germany.EU.net!h owland.reston.ans.n*et!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ne ws.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!cbgw3.att.com!c*bgw2 .att.com!nntphub.cb.lucent.com!not-for-mail From: (Ralph Brandi) Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.info,rec.answers,new s.answers Subject: Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave Supersedes: Followup-To: rec.radio.shortwave Date: 28 Jun 1996 00:09:38 GMT Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Technical Publications Lines: 77 Approved: Distribution: world Expires: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:09:31 GMT Message-ID: Reply-To: (Ralph Brandi) NNTP-Posting-Host: cbnews.cb.lucent.com Summary: Newsgroup charter and history, with pointers to more specific FAQ articles. This article is posted monthly. Originator: ralph@cbnews Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu rec.radio.shortwave:78431 rec.radio.info:11638 rec.answers:21852 news.answers:75379 Posted-By: auto-faq 3.1.1.2 Archive-name: radio/monitoring/introduction [Last modified: June 30, 1995] By Ralph Brandi, Welcome to the rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup. This group was created late in 1989 after a suggestion by Richard Shapiro, in order for those of us who are interested in the hobby of monitoring radio communications to have a friendly place to exchange messages, tips, and opinions. If you are interested in this sort of hobby, then we think that you will be at home here. This is a set of monthly postings put together to answer some of the more commonly asked basic questions about the hobby. There is a posting explaining some of the basics of shortwave (HF) radio, and one covering medium wave (also known as AM) and FM DXing. There is also one covering scanning the higher frequencies (VHF and up) that appears in the newsgroup rec.radio.scanner.. If you find that you have other questions, either following up items mentioned here, or other questions, please post. There are a number of people here with varying degrees of expertise and experience who are more than willing to help. We hope we've anticipated many of the questions the beginner will have. And so, without further ado.... o What is rec.radio.shortwave for? As stated above this group was created for USENETers to have a place to discuss the radio monitoring hobby. This group is not moderated, however 'serious' arguments and any kind of flame wars are strongly discouraged. That is not to say that genuine disagreement and discussion of differing opinions is not welcome. We only ask that you keep the tone friendly, and in the spirit of international cooperation upon which the hobby is founded. This group is intended to be a place where ANY radio monitoring topic can and should be discussed. We are happy to hear from posters who listen to any part of the radio or microwave spectrum, from DC to daylight. We discuss topics of almost any kind, ranging from (but not limited to) shortwave broadcasting, DXing small or distant shortwave stations, utility and teletype monitoring, military eavesdropping, station schedules, QSLing sw broadcasters, spectrum usage, equipment design and modifications, antennas, receiver reviews and recommendations, and many more. Despite what the newsgroup name might imply, we definitely DO NOT limit discussions to shortwave only. Any radio-related topics are welcome. People interested in scanning VHF frequencies may find that the rec.radio.scanner newsgroup more accurately reflects their interests, and people interested in pirate radio may want to check the alt.radio.pirate newsgroup, although this group seems to be more interested in building small FM transmitters than in hearing distant shortwave pirates. For more in-depth answers to questions you may have, we direct your attention to the postings entitled "Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave (Shortwave)", and "Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave (AM/FM DXing)", depending on where your interests lie. Scanner enthusiasts are also encouraged to read Bob Parnass' excellent monthly FAQ postings on rec.radio.scanner. FAQ, of course, stands for Frequently Asked Questions. It is considered good form to read the FAQ(s) for a newsgroup before posting to ensure that ones posting is appropriate. You can find FAQs for most newsgroups at ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenetby anonymous ftp, or on WWW at http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypert.../FAQ-List.html. Look under the following URL for a list of all radio-related FAQs. http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypert...radio/top.html P.S. For those of you without the patience to look in the appropriate place, the BBC World Service can be reached by e-mail at . This has become probably the single most frequently requested piece of information on rec.radio.shortwave. -- Ralph Brandi att!mtunp!ralph Stay idiot-proof. --Log, "Idiot Proof"- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I wonder if there's any provision for updating a group charter. The one for this group is really old, and the group now faces problems with off-topic posting that the charter authors were not in a position to anticipate. Just making the charter more 'current' would probably help matters. Steve |
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#34
March 25th 07, 07:19 PM
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In article ,
"Paul Zak" wrote: "HFguy" wrote in message news:WskNh.580$Rp2.130@trndny04... Paul Zak wrote: "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... "JeroenK" wrote in message ... HFguy schreef: What would it take to add a moderator to this group? I have no idea, but this NG being moderated would be something I would defenitally vote for. -- JeroenK Hi - I agree, it would be wonderful if someone volunteered to be moderator. I hereby volunteer. That's great Paul. What can we do to support you with this? I need to put some time into reading the updated info found at news.announce.newgroup pointed out by a previous poster, as apparently I had old info on how to create a new NG. If anyone has more or other updated info on how to do so, let me know! I think that can be done. It's just a file describing the news group. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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#35
March 25th 07, 07:33 PM
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In article .com,
"Steve" wrote: On Mar 25, 12:07 pm, Larry Dighera wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:38:21 -0400, blitz wrote in : Starting a moderated group is, IMO, admission of defeat. It says enough people can't restrain themselves from responding to trolls that it's taking down a group. Perhaps if someone with access to a Unix system created a cron-job to perform a monthly posting of the "Charter" of rec.radio.shortwave, it might encourage the posting of more on-topic articles. It can be found hehttp://www.faqs.org/ftp/faqs/radio/m...g/introduction Path: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!n *ews.mel.connect.com.au!news.mira.net.au!Germany. EU.net!howland.reston.ans. n*et!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com! news.PBI.net!cbgw3.att.com !c*bgw2.att.com!nntphub.cb.lucent.com!not-for-mail From: (Ralph Brandi) Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.info,rec.answers,new s.answers Subject: Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave Supersedes: Followup-To: rec.radio.shortwave Date: 28 Jun 1996 00:09:38 GMT Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Technical Publications Lines: 77 Approved: Distribution: world Expires: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:09:31 GMT Message-ID: Reply-To: (Ralph Brandi) NNTP-Posting-Host: cbnews.cb.lucent.com Summary: Newsgroup charter and history, with pointers to more specific FAQ articles. This article is posted monthly. Originator: ralph@cbnews Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu rec.radio.shortwave:78431 rec.radio.info:11638 rec.answers:21852 news.answers:75379 Posted-By: auto-faq 3.1.1.2 Archive-name: radio/monitoring/introduction [Last modified: June 30, 1995] By Ralph Brandi, Welcome to the rec.radio.shortwave newsgroup. This group was created late in 1989 after a suggestion by Richard Shapiro, in order for those of us who are interested in the hobby of monitoring radio communications to have a friendly place to exchange messages, tips, and opinions. If you are interested in this sort of hobby, then we think that you will be at home here. This is a set of monthly postings put together to answer some of the more commonly asked basic questions about the hobby. There is a posting explaining some of the basics of shortwave (HF) radio, and one covering medium wave (also known as AM) and FM DXing. There is also one covering scanning the higher frequencies (VHF and up) that appears in the newsgroup rec.radio.scanner. If you find that you have other questions, either following up items mentioned here, or other questions, please post. There are a number of people here with varying degrees of expertise and experience who are more than willing to help. We hope we've anticipated many of the questions the beginner will have. And so, without further ado.... o What is rec.radio.shortwave for? As stated above this group was created for USENETers to have a place to discuss the radio monitoring hobby. This group is not moderated, however 'serious' arguments and any kind of flame wars are strongly discouraged. That is not to say that genuine disagreement and discussion of differing opinions is not welcome. We only ask that you keep the tone friendly, and in the spirit of international cooperation upon which the hobby is founded. This group is intended to be a place where ANY radio monitoring topic can and should be discussed. We are happy to hear from posters who listen to any part of the radio or microwave spectrum, from DC to daylight. We discuss topics of almost any kind, ranging from (but not limited to) shortwave broadcasting, DXing small or distant shortwave stations, utility and teletype monitoring, military eavesdropping, station schedules, QSLing sw broadcasters, spectrum usage, equipment design and modifications, antennas, receiver reviews and recommendations, and many more. Despite what the newsgroup name might imply, we definitely DO NOT limit discussions to shortwave only. Any radio-related topics are welcome. People interested in scanning VHF frequencies may find that the rec.radio.scanner newsgroup more accurately reflects their interests, and people interested in pirate radio may want to check the alt.radio.pirate newsgroup, although this group seems to be more interested in building small FM transmitters than in hearing distant shortwave pirates. For more in-depth answers to questions you may have, we direct your attention to the postings entitled "Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave (Shortwave)", and "Welcome to rec.radio.shortwave (AM/FM DXing)", depending on where your interests lie. Scanner enthusiasts are also encouraged to read Bob Parnass' excellent monthly FAQ postings on rec.radio.scanner. FAQ, of course, stands for Frequently Asked Questions. It is considered good form to read the FAQ(s) for a newsgroup before posting to ensure that ones posting is appropriate. You can find FAQs for most newsgroups at ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenetby anonymous ftp, or on WWW at http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypert.../FAQ-List.html. Look under the following URL for a list of all radio-related FAQs. http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypert...radio/top.html P.S. For those of you without the patience to look in the appropriate place, the BBC World Service can be reached by e-mail at . This has become probably the single most frequently requested piece of information on rec.radio.shortwave. -- Ralph Brandi att!mtunp!ralph Stay idiot-proof. --Log, "Idiot Proof"- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I wonder if there's any provision for updating a group charter. The one for this group is really old, and the group now faces problems with off-topic posting that the charter authors were not in a position to anticipate. Just making the charter more 'current' would probably help matters. Oops. I earlier responded to the wrong post. I meant to respond to this one. I think the charter can be updated to include more information. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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#36
March 25th 07, 11:21 PM
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Absolutely right, which is why I also considered a Yahoo NG . . .
blitz wrote in message ... Paul Zak writes... "HFguy" wrote in message news:WskNh.580$Rp2.130@trndny04... Paul Zak wrote: "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... "JeroenK" wrote in message ... HFguy schreef: What would it take to add a moderator to this group? I have no idea, but this NG being moderated would be something I would defenitally vote for. -- JeroenK Hi - I agree, it would be wonderful if someone volunteered to be moderator. I hereby volunteer. That's great Paul. What can we do to support you with this? I need to put some time into reading the updated info found at news.announce.newgroup pointed out by a previous poster, as apparently I had old info on how to create a new NG. If anyone has more or other updated info on how to do so, let me know! Basically 'voting' is done by a board now, but all the other suggestions about a clear topic, well-named group, and especially justification still apply. The board seems more inclined to support moderated groups lately, since it's apparent many people don't/won't use a kill file for disruptive posters. Starting a moderated group is, IMO, admission of defeat. It says enough people can't restrain themselves from responding to trolls that it's taking down a group. And you still might get your group, but you'll have to invest the time in working out all the details, including a list of moderators. You won't be able to handle it all on your own. this includes dealing with putting together a proposal, posting in news.groups/news.groups.proposals to work out that proposal, 'encouraging' users to request the new group on their server (since most won't add it on your request, if you're not a customer), and emailing those same providers/servers for months afterwards, getting them to flag the group correctly as moderated. None of that guarantees the group will catch on. |
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#37
March 25th 07, 11:26 PM
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I'll study that link - thanx!
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:51:50 -0400, "Paul Zak" wrote in : I need to put some time into reading the updated info found at news.announce.newgroup pointed out by a previous poster, as apparently I had old info on how to create a new NG. If anyone has more or other updated info on how to do so, let me know! I thought you wanted to change this newsgroup to moderated, not create a new one. If that is so, (although I don't support it) you'll find information he http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.p...ies:change_mod |
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#38
March 25th 07, 11:57 PM
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On 25 Mar 2007 09:22:34 -0700, "Steve" wrote
in .com: I wonder if there's any provision for updating a group charter. I'm not sure. You might inquire that issue with the big-8: The one for this group is really old, and the group now faces problems with off-topic posting that the charter authors were not in a position to anticipate. Just making the charter more 'current' would probably help matters. Steve It would be interesting to know to which subjects you are referring, but we might easily address those issues in a newsgroup FAQ. |
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#39
March 26th 07, 09:10 AM
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Paul Zak schreef:
Absolutely right, which is why I also considered a Yahoo NG . . . There is already an excellent Yahoo Group, the DXLD from Glenn Hauser. All the other groups have zero or only reposted articles from other Yahoo Groups. Well, there is one antenna group that is active. -- JeroenK |
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