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SWL-2010 April 4th 07 06:02 AM

S 350 DL
 
I was browsing in Radio Shack today, and I bought a black Grundig S 350 DL.
I've had a regular 350 for quite a while now, and have always loved it, so I
thought I would pick up on the new version. I haven't had time to tune
around on it yet, but it looks like it will be a fine addition to my
portable collection. It looks very cool in black. I like the idea of the FM
stereo and the fact it will take AA batteries too. I always have a good
supply of them in the house, but I never have that many extra D cells
around.

Last month I bought The small black Grundig Mini-300, and have had a barrel
of fun with it. The size and performance for 29 bucks made it a great
deal. The S350 DL was only 99 plus tax. I like the new steam of portables
that is hitting America. Neat radios for a great prices. It kind of juices
up the old hobby. I love collecting radios as much as listening to them.



[email protected] April 4th 07 02:09 PM

S 350 DL
 
On Apr 4, 4:02�am, "SWL-2010" wrote:
I was browsing in Radio Shack today, and I bought a black Grundig S 350 DL.
I've had a regular 350 for quite a while now, and have always loved it, so I
thought I would pick up on the new version. *I haven't had time to tune
around on it yet, but it looks like it will be a fine addition to my
portable collection. *It looks very cool in black. I like the idea of the FM
stereo and the fact it will take AA batteries too. *I always have a good
supply of them in the house, but I never have that many extra D cells
around.

Last month I bought The small black Grundig Mini-300, and have had a barrel
of fun with it. *The size and performance for 29 bucks *made it a great
deal. *The S350 DL was only 99 plus tax. *I like the new steam of portables
that is hitting America. Neat radios for a great prices. It kind of juices
up the old hobby. *I love collecting radios as much as listening to them.


The S350 is poison - stay away from it:

"Survey #2 - What is the most over rated radio that you have ever
owned?"

http://www.radiointel.com/results2.htm


[email protected] April 4th 07 03:58 PM

S 350 DL
 
On Apr 4, 1:18?pm, lsmyer wrote:
Congratulations on your cool new radio. I have a Tecsun BCL-2000
(Chinese version of the S-350) which I really like, and I've also
considered the S-350DL.

How does your new radio's performance (sensitivity, sound, drifting,
tuning) compare with your original S-350?

For some reason, some of the people who post here get really worked up
over the S-350DL. Don't let their criticism ruin your enjoyment of your
new radio.


The S350s are garbage - open yours up and see what I mean.


SWL-2010 April 4th 07 08:20 PM

S 350 DL
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 4, 4:02?am, "SWL-2010" wrote:
I was browsing in Radio Shack today, and I bought a black Grundig S 350

DL.
I've had a regular 350 for quite a while now, and have always loved it, so

I
thought I would pick up on the new version. I haven't had time to tune
around on it yet, but it looks like it will be a fine addition to my
portable collection. It looks very cool in black. I like the idea of the

FM
stereo and the fact it will take AA batteries too. I always have a good
supply of them in the house, but I never have that many extra D cells
around.

Last month I bought The small black Grundig Mini-300, and have had a

barrel
of fun with it. The size and performance for 29 bucks made it a great
deal. The S350 DL was only 99 plus tax. I like the new steam of portables
that is hitting America. Neat radios for a great prices. It kind of juices
up the old hobby. I love collecting radios as much as listening to them.


The S350 is poison - stay away from it:

Poison? That's a little dramatic. It's a radio. I've owned a 350 for
several years and I love. I dont care anymore about radio reviews than I do
movie reviews. They're someone elses opinion. I'm capable of forming my own
opinions.


"Survey #2 - What is the most over rated radio that you have ever
owned?"

http://www.radiointel.com/results2.htm



SWL-2010 April 4th 07 08:33 PM

S 350 DL
 

"lsmyer" wrote in message
...
Congratulations on your cool new radio. I have a Tecsun BCL-2000
(Chinese version of the S-350) which I really like, and I've also
considered the S-350DL.

How does your new radio's performance (sensitivity, sound, drifting,
tuning) compare with your original S-350?


I havn't had time to sit down and tune it much yet, but so far so good. I
can't detect any drift to amount to anything. The sound is great. The two
tone controls make it rich, or flat, any way you want it. And so far, like
my older S350, the sensitivity is very good. I've used my S350 a great deal,
so I thought I would get the newer verision since the price was right at
only a hundred bucks.


For some reason, some of the people who post here get really worked up
over the S-350DL. Don't let their criticism ruin your enjoyment of your
new radio.


Negative and/or foolish people don't affect me or rain on my parade.
Unfortunatly they do live among us, all we can do is tolerate their petty
jealousy and insecurities. They're kind of like the bratty kid who shows up
at your grandsons bithday party, just give them some cake and hope their
parents take them home first so they dont spoil the party for everyone else.



Roadie April 4th 07 09:18 PM

S 350 DL
 
On Apr 4, 9:09 am, wrote:
On Apr 4, 4:02?am, "SWL-2010" wrote:

I was browsing in Radio Shack today, and I bought a black Grundig S 350 DL.
I've had a regular 350 for quite a while now, and have always loved it, so I
thought I would pick up on the new version. ?I haven't had time to tune
around on it yet, but it looks like it will be a fine addition to my
portable collection. ?It looks very cool in black. I like the idea of the FM
stereo and the fact it will take AA batteries too. ?I always have a good
supply of them in the house, but I never have that many extra D cells
around.


Last month I bought The small black Grundig Mini-300, and have had a barrel
of fun with it. ?The size and performance for 29 bucks ?made it a great
deal. ?The S350 DL was only 99 plus tax. ?I like the new steam of portables
that is hitting America. Neat radios for a great prices. It kind of juices
up the old hobby. ?I love collecting radios as much as listening to them.


The S350 is poison - stay away from it:

"Survey #2 - What is the most over rated radio that you have ever
owned?"

http://www.radiointel.com/results2.htm


Congratulations. I think you will find the S350DL will do exactly
what it is designed to ddo. Which is deliver excellent good audio for
broadcast stations on AM, shortwave and FM with the minimum number of
controls.

I think of the S350DL and S350 as a volks-radio along the lines of the
very popular Panasonic analog/digitals of th 1980's. None of them
were designed to be DX machines but they will pull in a lot of
stations with the built-in antenna.


Roadie April 4th 07 09:20 PM

S 350 DL
 
On Apr 4, 1:02 am, "SWL-2010" wrote:
I was browsing in Radio Shack today, and I bought a black Grundig S 350 DL.
I've had a regular 350 for quite a while now, and have always loved it, so I
thought I would pick up on the new version. I haven't had time to tune
around on it yet, but it looks like it will be a fine addition to my
portable collection. It looks very cool in black. I like the idea of the FM
stereo and the fact it will take AA batteries too. I always have a good
supply of them in the house, but I never have that many extra D cells
around.

Last month I bought The small black Grundig Mini-300, and have had a barrel
of fun with it. The size and performance for 29 bucks made it a great
deal. The S350 DL was only 99 plus tax. I like the new steam of portables
that is hitting America. Neat radios for a great prices. It kind of juices
up the old hobby. I love collecting radios as much as listening to them.


Congratulations. I think you will find the S350DL will do exactly
what it is designed to ddo. Which is deliver excellent good audio
for
broadcast stations on AM, shortwave and FM with the minimum number of
controls.

I think of the S350DL and S350 as a volks-radio along the lines of
the
very popular Panasonic analog/digitals of th 1980's. None of them
were designed to be DX machines but they will pull in a lot of
stations with the built-in antenna.




SWL-2010 April 5th 07 03:56 AM

S 350 DL
 

"Michael Black" wrote in message
...
"SWL-2010" ) writes:

I havn't had time to sit down and tune it much yet, but so far so good.

I
can't detect any drift to amount to anything. The sound is great. The

two
tone controls make it rich, or flat, any way you want it. And so far,

like
my older S350, the sensitivity is very good. I've used my S350 a great

deal,
so I thought I would get the newer verision since the price was right at
only a hundred bucks.

What some people forget is what it was like to have a low end receiver
forty years or so ago.

I bought a Hallicrafter's S120A (as I've mentioned before, it was a solid
state receiver) in the summer of 1971, and paid something like $80, maybe

a
bit more, here in Canada. It was about the cheapest new receiver I could
buy, and it was barely within my price range.

It got the really strong signals, and not much else. It overloaded badly,
it seemed to be from FM broadcast stations or maybe TV. The BFO was so
weak that it wasn't useable for receiving SSB. The dial had all kinds of
exotic locations listed on it, but not only was the calibration way off,
but frequency readout was like "it's closer to the .5 than the .0 mark".
It had horrible backlash on the tuning knob. It was awful.

I claim it was the world's worst shortwave receiver, but I suspect it
wasn't that different from many of the low end solid state receivers from
the period, before real advancements had been made in making good solid
state shortwave receivers. We suffered through them because we couldn't
afford anything better.

I imagine a $20 shortwave portable from Radio Shack today couldn't be
worse than that old Hallicrafter's. Plus, you'd get a digital readout,
and likely the tuning knob (if it wasn't tuned by up/down buttons) would
have less backlash than that first receiver of mine.

That doesn't mean that relative to better receivers of today the low
end are perfect, merely that they can't be worse, and may be better
for the simple reason that design has changed.

Michael


Well, I've been buying radios and other electronic toys for many years now,
and I never expect anymore than I pay for. I am rarely dissapointed, and
often times pleasantly surprised. If I buy a hundred dollar radio, I pretty
much know what to expect. However, with the Grundigs, I get some pretty good
radios for that price range. I bought a 29 dollar Grundig last month and
have had a ball with it. I never factor out the fun factor in anything.
Shortwave radio has been my hobby for close to 50 years now, and I still
have fun with it. And for my money, that the central point.



Roadie April 5th 07 03:37 PM

S 350 DL
 
On Apr 4, 7:29 pm, (Michael Black) wrote:
"SWL-2010" ) writes:
I havn't had time to sit down and tune it much yet, but so far so good. I
can't detect any drift to amount to anything. The sound is great. The two
tone controls make it rich, or flat, any way you want it. And so far, like
my older S350, the sensitivity is very good. I've used my S350 a great deal,
so I thought I would get the newer verision since the price was right at
only a hundred bucks.


What some people forget is what it was like to have a low end receiver
forty years or so ago.

I bought a Hallicrafter's S120A (as I've mentioned before, it was a solid
state receiver) in the summer of 1971, and paid something like $80, maybe a
bit more, here in Canada. It was about the cheapest new receiver I could
buy, and it was barely within my price range.

It got the really strong signals, and not much else. It overloaded badly,
it seemed to be from FM broadcast stations or maybe TV. The BFO was so
weak that it wasn't useable for receiving SSB. The dial had all kinds of
exotic locations listed on it, but not only was the calibration way off,
but frequency readout was like "it's closer to the .5 than the .0 mark".
It had horrible backlash on the tuning knob. It was awful.

I claim it was the world's worst shortwave receiver, but I suspect it
wasn't that different from many of the low end solid state receivers from
the period, before real advancements had been made in making good solid
state shortwave receivers. We suffered through them because we couldn't
afford anything better.

I imagine a $20 shortwave portable from Radio Shack today couldn't be
worse than that old Hallicrafter's. Plus, you'd get a digital readout,
and likely the tuning knob (if it wasn't tuned by up/down buttons) would
have less backlash than that first receiver of mine.

That doesn't mean that relative to better receivers of today the low
end are perfect, merely that they can't be worse, and may be better
for the simple reason that design has changed.

Michael


I think an old Hallicrafters S120A, Lafayette HA230 or Realistic
DX150b are good examples of radios that were for very good reasons
popular once upon a time. They can be fun to spin the dials on even
today. Ultimately however, I think they serve as a benchmark from
which to measure how far radio technology has advanced.

It would not be difficult to find a digitally tuned portable priced at
$50.00 to $100.00 that will substantially out perform any of those
oldies. But it won't look or feel like a bandspread tuned receiver
either, and it won't give the tactile and aural pleasure of slowly
turning a weighted bandspread knob and listening carefully as stations
gradually come into and out of tune. Eventually, when finding a
specific station or jumping from band to band goes to slowly the game
gets a little old.


No Name April 5th 07 03:52 PM

S 350 DL
 
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:37:55 UTC, "Roadie" wrote:

On Apr 4, 7:29 pm, (Michael Black) wrote:
"SWL-2010" ) writes:
I havn't had time to sit down and tune it much yet, but so far so good. I
can't detect any drift to amount to anything. The sound is great. The two
tone controls make it rich, or flat, any way you want it. And so far, like
my older S350, the sensitivity is very good. I've used my S350 a great deal,
so I thought I would get the newer verision since the price was right at
only a hundred bucks.


What some people forget is what it was like to have a low end receiver
forty years or so ago.

I bought a Hallicrafter's S120A (as I've mentioned before, it was a solid
state receiver) in the summer of 1971, and paid something like $80, maybe a
bit more, here in Canada. It was about the cheapest new receiver I could
buy, and it was barely within my price range.

It got the really strong signals, and not much else. It overloaded badly,
it seemed to be from FM broadcast stations or maybe TV. The BFO was so
weak that it wasn't useable for receiving SSB. The dial had all kinds of
exotic locations listed on it, but not only was the calibration way off,
but frequency readout was like "it's closer to the .5 than the .0 mark".
It had horrible backlash on the tuning knob. It was awful.

I claim it was the world's worst shortwave receiver, but I suspect it
wasn't that different from many of the low end solid state receivers from
the period, before real advancements had been made in making good solid
state shortwave receivers. We suffered through them because we couldn't
afford anything better.

I imagine a $20 shortwave portable from Radio Shack today couldn't be
worse than that old Hallicrafter's. Plus, you'd get a digital readout,
and likely the tuning knob (if it wasn't tuned by up/down buttons) would
have less backlash than that first receiver of mine.

That doesn't mean that relative to better receivers of today the low
end are perfect, merely that they can't be worse, and may be better
for the simple reason that design has changed.

Michael


I think an old Hallicrafters S120A, Lafayette HA230 or Realistic
DX150b are good examples of radios that were for very good reasons
popular once upon a time. They can be fun to spin the dials on even
today. Ultimately however, I think they serve as a benchmark from
which to measure how far radio technology has advanced.

It would not be difficult to find a digitally tuned portable priced at
$50.00 to $100.00 that will substantially out perform any of those
oldies. But it won't look or feel like a bandspread tuned receiver
either, and it won't give the tactile and aural pleasure of slowly
turning a weighted bandspread knob and listening carefully as stations
gradually come into and out of tune. Eventually, when finding a
specific station or jumping from band to band goes to slowly the game
gets a little old.

My first sw radio was an S-120, my mother got it for me for Christmas
at Sears. It was terrible on accuracy, not very selective, but when
you are 12 years old, hearing world stations was exciting. I think
that I got over 40 countries QSL'd and many states(from OK at the
time). Now, I have two restored boatanchors: An S-38 and its bigger
twin, a Lafayette HE-10, both provide the experience you mention: the
fun of seeing the old dial lamps and turning the big dials looking for
that elusive station.


--
"What do you mean there's no movie?"

homepc April 5th 07 04:39 PM

S 350 DL
 
I've had my Tecsun BCL3000 for about a year and a half with no problems. It
works just as I expected.

I had a Grundig FR200 radio that I used at the office, but after three
months of use, the volume control got very noisy. I got a replacement, and
it developed the same problem. My BCL3000 did not develop this problem and
all the controls work well. The tuning knob was a little stiff when I first
got it, but it has loosened up a bit since, and it's easy to tune. Despite
all the negative comments, I find my BCL3000 is an all around fun radio to
use. I use a PK AM loop antenna with my radio, and I can pick up weak
stations just fine.



"lsmyer" wrote in message
...
Congratulations on your cool new radio. I have a Tecsun BCL-2000 (Chinese
version of the S-350) which I really like, and I've also considered the
S-350DL.

How does your new radio's performance (sensitivity, sound, drifting,
tuning) compare with your original S-350?

For some reason, some of the people who post here get really worked up
over the S-350DL. Don't let their criticism ruin your enjoyment of your
new radio.




Roadie April 5th 07 04:58 PM

S 350 DL
 
On Apr 5, 10:52 am, Count
wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:37:55 UTC, "Roadie" wrote:
On Apr 4, 7:29 pm, (Michael Black) wrote:
"SWL-2010" ) writes:
I havn't had time to sit down and tune it much yet, but so far so good. I
can't detect any drift to amount to anything. The sound is great. The two
tone controls make it rich, or flat, any way you want it. And so far, like
my older S350, the sensitivity is very good. I've used my S350 a great deal,
so I thought I would get the newer verision since the price was right at
only a hundred bucks.


What some people forget is what it was like to have a low end receiver
forty years or so ago.


I bought a Hallicrafter's S120A (as I've mentioned before, it was a solid
state receiver) in the summer of 1971, and paid something like $80, maybe a
bit more, here in Canada. It was about the cheapest new receiver I could
buy, and it was barely within my price range.


It got the really strong signals, and not much else. It overloaded badly,
it seemed to be from FM broadcast stations or maybe TV. The BFO was so
weak that it wasn't useable for receiving SSB. The dial had all kinds of
exotic locations listed on it, but not only was the calibration way off,
but frequency readout was like "it's closer to the .5 than the .0 mark".
It had horrible backlash on the tuning knob. It was awful.


I claim it was the world's worst shortwave receiver, but I suspect it
wasn't that different from many of the low end solid state receivers from
the period, before real advancements had been made in making good solid
state shortwave receivers. We suffered through them because we couldn't
afford anything better.


I imagine a $20 shortwave portable from Radio Shack today couldn't be
worse than that old Hallicrafter's. Plus, you'd get a digital readout,
and likely the tuning knob (if it wasn't tuned by up/down buttons) would
have less backlash than that first receiver of mine.


That doesn't mean that relative to better receivers of today the low
end are perfect, merely that they can't be worse, and may be better
for the simple reason that design has changed.


Michael


I think an old Hallicrafters S120A, Lafayette HA230 or Realistic
DX150b are good examples of radios that were for very good reasons
popular once upon a time. They can be fun to spin the dials on even
today. Ultimately however, I think they serve as a benchmark from
which to measure how far radio technology has advanced.


It would not be difficult to find a digitally tuned portable priced at
$50.00 to $100.00 that will substantially out perform any of those
oldies. But it won't look or feel like a bandspread tuned receiver
either, and it won't give the tactile and aural pleasure of slowly
turning a weighted bandspread knob and listening carefully as stations
gradually come into and out of tune. Eventually, when finding a
specific station or jumping from band to band goes to slowly the game
gets a little old.


My first sw radio was an S-120, my mother got it for me for Christmas
at Sears. It was terrible on accuracy, not very selective, but when
you are 12 years old, hearing world stations was exciting. I think
that I got over 40 countries QSL'd and many states(from OK at the
time). Now, I have two restored boatanchors: An S-38 and its bigger
twin, a Lafayette HE-10, both provide the experience you mention: the
fun of seeing the old dial lamps and turning the big dials looking for
that elusive station.

--
"What do you mean there's no movie?"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Probably the most satisfaction I got from tuning a bandspread receiver
was with a Kenwood R300. It just felt good to look at and use and it
did the job reasonably well. And the xtal marker helped in some
situations.

I owned a National HRO-500 for a while, and turning that massive bank-
vault tuning knob was unadulterated pleasure. It was a royal PITA to
tune and otherwise move around the bands with though.


SWL-2010 April 5th 07 11:02 PM

S 350 DL
 

"Roadie" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 5, 10:52 am, Count
wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:37:55 UTC, "Roadie" wrote:
On Apr 4, 7:29 pm, (Michael Black) wrote:
"SWL-2010" ) writes:
I havn't had time to sit down and tune it much yet, but so far so

good. I
can't detect any drift to amount to anything. The sound is great.

The two
tone controls make it rich, or flat, any way you want it. And so

far, like
my older S350, the sensitivity is very good. I've used my S350 a

great deal,
so I thought I would get the newer verision since the price was

right at
only a hundred bucks.


What some people forget is what it was like to have a low end

receiver
forty years or so ago.


I bought a Hallicrafter's S120A (as I've mentioned before, it was a

solid
state receiver) in the summer of 1971, and paid something like $80,

maybe a
bit more, here in Canada. It was about the cheapest new receiver I

could
buy, and it was barely within my price range.


It got the really strong signals, and not much else. It overloaded

badly,
it seemed to be from FM broadcast stations or maybe TV. The BFO was

so
weak that it wasn't useable for receiving SSB. The dial had all

kinds of
exotic locations listed on it, but not only was the calibration way

off,
but frequency readout was like "it's closer to the .5 than the .0

mark".
It had horrible backlash on the tuning knob. It was awful.


I claim it was the world's worst shortwave receiver, but I suspect

it
wasn't that different from many of the low end solid state receivers

from
the period, before real advancements had been made in making good

solid
state shortwave receivers. We suffered through them because we

couldn't
afford anything better.


I imagine a $20 shortwave portable from Radio Shack today couldn't

be
worse than that old Hallicrafter's. Plus, you'd get a digital

readout,
and likely the tuning knob (if it wasn't tuned by up/down buttons)

would
have less backlash than that first receiver of mine.


That doesn't mean that relative to better receivers of today the low
end are perfect, merely that they can't be worse, and may be better
for the simple reason that design has changed.


Michael


I think an old Hallicrafters S120A, Lafayette HA230 or Realistic
DX150b are good examples of radios that were for very good reasons
popular once upon a time. They can be fun to spin the dials on even
today. Ultimately however, I think they serve as a benchmark from
which to measure how far radio technology has advanced.


It would not be difficult to find a digitally tuned portable priced at
$50.00 to $100.00 that will substantially out perform any of those
oldies. But it won't look or feel like a bandspread tuned receiver
either, and it won't give the tactile and aural pleasure of slowly
turning a weighted bandspread knob and listening carefully as stations
gradually come into and out of tune. Eventually, when finding a
specific station or jumping from band to band goes to slowly the game
gets a little old.


My first sw radio was an S-120, my mother got it for me for Christmas
at Sears. It was terrible on accuracy, not very selective, but when
you are 12 years old, hearing world stations was exciting. I think
that I got over 40 countries QSL'd and many states(from OK at the
time). Now, I have two restored boatanchors: An S-38 and its bigger
twin, a Lafayette HE-10, both provide the experience you mention: the
fun of seeing the old dial lamps and turning the big dials looking for
that elusive station.

--
"What do you mean there's no movie?"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Probably the most satisfaction I got from tuning a bandspread receiver
was with a Kenwood R300. It just felt good to look at and use and it
did the job reasonably well. And the xtal marker helped in some
situations.



A Kenwood R-300? I have one sitting right next to me right now. It's one of
my favorites. It's a big beautiful old black receiver in very good
condition, and I use it everyday. It has plenty of controls, and if you get
it calibrated just right, mine is pretty accurate. But the sensitivity is
the great part. Mine doesn't miss anything. I also use my old Drake SSR-1 a
lot too. The Wadley Loop is very accurate. All you do is set the band
switch. Tune in the MHz, and then just tune the main tuning dial for KHz,
and it's right there. It's in very good condition too. I use the Kenwood
and the Drake when I just want to slowly go up and down bands. I could not
even say how enjoyable they are.


I owned a National HRO-500 for a while, and turning that massive bank-
vault tuning knob was unadulterated pleasure. It was a royal PITA to
tune and otherwise move around the bands with though.


I've never tuned a National, but I would love to.



Roadie April 6th 07 02:18 AM

S 350 DL
 
On Apr 5, 6:02 pm, "SWL-2010" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message

oups.com...





On Apr 5, 10:52 am, Count
wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:37:55 UTC, "Roadie" wrote:
On Apr 4, 7:29 pm, (Michael Black) wrote:
"SWL-2010" ) writes:
I havn't had time to sit down and tune it much yet, but so far so

good. I
can't detect any drift to amount to anything. The sound is great.

The two
tone controls make it rich, or flat, any way you want it. And so

far, like
my older S350, the sensitivity is very good. I've used my S350 a

great deal,
so I thought I would get the newer verision since the price was

right at
only a hundred bucks.


What some people forget is what it was like to have a low end

receiver
forty years or so ago.


I bought a Hallicrafter's S120A (as I've mentioned before, it was a

solid
state receiver) in the summer of 1971, and paid something like $80,

maybe a
bit more, here in Canada. It was about the cheapest new receiver I

could
buy, and it was barely within my price range.


It got the really strong signals, and not much else. It overloaded

badly,
it seemed to be from FM broadcast stations or maybe TV. The BFO was

so
weak that it wasn't useable for receiving SSB. The dial had all

kinds of
exotic locations listed on it, but not only was the calibration way

off,
but frequency readout was like "it's closer to the .5 than the .0

mark".
It had horrible backlash on the tuning knob. It was awful.


I claim it was the world's worst shortwave receiver, but I suspect

it
wasn't that different from many of the low end solid state receivers

from
the period, before real advancements had been made in making good

solid
state shortwave receivers. We suffered through them because we

couldn't
afford anything better.


I imagine a $20 shortwave portable from Radio Shack today couldn't

be
worse than that old Hallicrafter's. Plus, you'd get a digital

readout,
and likely the tuning knob (if it wasn't tuned by up/down buttons)

would
have less backlash than that first receiver of mine.


That doesn't mean that relative to better receivers of today the low
end are perfect, merely that they can't be worse, and may be better
for the simple reason that design has changed.


Michael


I think an old Hallicrafters S120A, Lafayette HA230 or Realistic
DX150b are good examples of radios that were for very good reasons
popular once upon a time. They can be fun to spin the dials on even
today. Ultimately however, I think they serve as a benchmark from
which to measure how far radio technology has advanced.


It would not be difficult to find a digitally tuned portable priced at
$50.00 to $100.00 that will substantially out perform any of those
oldies. But it won't look or feel like a bandspread tuned receiver
either, and it won't give the tactile and aural pleasure of slowly
turning a weighted bandspread knob and listening carefully as stations
gradually come into and out of tune. Eventually, when finding a
specific station or jumping from band to band goes to slowly the game
gets a little old.


My first sw radio was an S-120, my mother got it for me for Christmas
at Sears. It was terrible on accuracy, not very selective, but when
you are 12 years old, hearing world stations was exciting. I think
that I got over 40 countries QSL'd and many states(from OK at the
time). Now, I have two restored boatanchors: An S-38 and its bigger
twin, a Lafayette HE-10, both provide the experience you mention: the
fun of seeing the old dial lamps and turning the big dials looking for
that elusive station.


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Probably the most satisfaction I got from tuning a bandspread receiver
was with a Kenwood R300. It just felt good to look at and use and it
did the job reasonably well. And the xtal marker helped in some
situations.


A Kenwood R-300? I have one sitting right next to me right now. It's one of
my favorites. It's a big beautiful old black receiver in very good
condition, and I use it everyday. It has plenty of controls, and if you get
it calibrated just right, mine is pretty accurate. But the sensitivity is
the great part. Mine doesn't miss anything. I also use my old Drake SSR-1 a
lot too. The Wadley Loop is very accurate. All you do is set the band
switch. Tune in the MHz, and then just tune the main tuning dial for KHz,
and it's right there. It's in very good condition too. I use the Kenwood
and the Drake when I just want to slowly go up and down bands. I could not
even say how enjoyable they are.


Hey, it's good to find someone else who has used an R300. Mine worked
great for about 2 years then the bandswitch started to go south. I
called a guy at the then local Kenwood repair depot and he said the
only real fix was to replace the long out of stock switch. So the
R300 was retired.

But it sure was a lot of fun to use. Mine had the SWL bandspread
drum.




I owned a National HRO-500 for a while, and turning that massive bank-
vault tuning knob was unadulterated pleasure. It was a royal PITA to
tune and otherwise move around the bands with though.


I've never tuned a National, but I would love to.


It's an impressive looking unit, and their first fully transistorized
unit. It was surprisingly compact and lightweight. Had 4 filters,
frequency synthesizer, passband tuning and dial resolution to 1khz.
Sold new for the princely sum of $3,000 in the 1960's. I understand
that repair and alignment was quite complex.

Here's a borrowed shot:
http://www.rigpix.com/national/hro500.jpg


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SWL-2010 April 6th 07 03:12 AM

S 350 DL
 

"Roadie" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 5, 6:02 pm, "SWL-2010" wrote:
"Roadie" wrote in message

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On Apr 5, 10:52 am, Count
wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:37:55 UTC, "Roadie" wrote:
On Apr 4, 7:29 pm, (Michael Black) wrote:
"SWL-2010" ) writes:
I havn't had time to sit down and tune it much yet, but so

far so
good. I
can't detect any drift to amount to anything. The sound is

great.
The two
tone controls make it rich, or flat, any way you want it. And

so
far, like
my older S350, the sensitivity is very good. I've used my S350

a
great deal,
so I thought I would get the newer verision since the price

was
right at
only a hundred bucks.


What some people forget is what it was like to have a low end

receiver
forty years or so ago.


I bought a Hallicrafter's S120A (as I've mentioned before, it

was a
solid
state receiver) in the summer of 1971, and paid something like

$80,
maybe a
bit more, here in Canada. It was about the cheapest new

receiver I
could
buy, and it was barely within my price range.


It got the really strong signals, and not much else. It

overloaded
badly,
it seemed to be from FM broadcast stations or maybe TV. The BFO

was
so
weak that it wasn't useable for receiving SSB. The dial had all

kinds of
exotic locations listed on it, but not only was the calibration

way
off,
but frequency readout was like "it's closer to the .5 than the

..0
mark".
It had horrible backlash on the tuning knob. It was awful.


I claim it was the world's worst shortwave receiver, but I

suspect
it
wasn't that different from many of the low end solid state

receivers
from
the period, before real advancements had been made in making

good
solid
state shortwave receivers. We suffered through them because we

couldn't
afford anything better.


I imagine a $20 shortwave portable from Radio Shack today

couldn't
be
worse than that old Hallicrafter's. Plus, you'd get a digital

readout,
and likely the tuning knob (if it wasn't tuned by up/down

buttons)
would
have less backlash than that first receiver of mine.


That doesn't mean that relative to better receivers of today the

low
end are perfect, merely that they can't be worse, and may be

better
for the simple reason that design has changed.


Michael


I think an old Hallicrafters S120A, Lafayette HA230 or Realistic
DX150b are good examples of radios that were for very good reasons
popular once upon a time. They can be fun to spin the dials on

even
today. Ultimately however, I think they serve as a benchmark from
which to measure how far radio technology has advanced.


It would not be difficult to find a digitally tuned portable

priced at
$50.00 to $100.00 that will substantially out perform any of those
oldies. But it won't look or feel like a bandspread tuned receiver
either, and it won't give the tactile and aural pleasure of

slowly
turning a weighted bandspread knob and listening carefully as

stations
gradually come into and out of tune. Eventually, when finding a
specific station or jumping from band to band goes to slowly the

game
gets a little old.


My first sw radio was an S-120, my mother got it for me for

Christmas
at Sears. It was terrible on accuracy, not very selective, but when
you are 12 years old, hearing world stations was exciting. I think
that I got over 40 countries QSL'd and many states(from OK at the
time). Now, I have two restored boatanchors: An S-38 and its bigger
twin, a Lafayette HE-10, both provide the experience you mention:

the
fun of seeing the old dial lamps and turning the big dials looking

for
that elusive station.


--
"What do you mean there's no movie?"- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Probably the most satisfaction I got from tuning a bandspread receiver
was with a Kenwood R300. It just felt good to look at and use and it
did the job reasonably well. And the xtal marker helped in some
situations.


A Kenwood R-300? I have one sitting right next to me right now. It's one

of
my favorites. It's a big beautiful old black receiver in very good
condition, and I use it everyday. It has plenty of controls, and if you

get
it calibrated just right, mine is pretty accurate. But the sensitivity

is
the great part. Mine doesn't miss anything. I also use my old Drake

SSR-1 a
lot too. The Wadley Loop is very accurate. All you do is set the band
switch. Tune in the MHz, and then just tune the main tuning dial for

KHz,
and it's right there. It's in very good condition too. I use the

Kenwood
and the Drake when I just want to slowly go up and down bands. I could

not
even say how enjoyable they are.


Hey, it's good to find someone else who has used an R300. Mine worked
great for about 2 years then the bandswitch started to go south. I
called a guy at the then local Kenwood repair depot and he said the
only real fix was to replace the long out of stock switch. So the
R300 was retired.

But it sure was a lot of fun to use. Mine had the SWL bandspread
drum.


Mine has the amatuer bandspread drum, but it is still usable to set up the
main tuner. The guy I bought it from said he had a hard time finding a buyer
because most guys had no idea how to tune the radio, so, I got it for a
decent price. And you're right, it is just plain fun to use.






I owned a National HRO-500 for a while, and turning that massive bank-
vault tuning knob was unadulterated pleasure. It was a royal PITA to
tune and otherwise move around the bands with though.


I've never tuned a National, but I would love to.


It's an impressive looking unit, and their first fully transistorized
unit. It was surprisingly compact and lightweight. Had 4 filters,
frequency synthesizer, passband tuning and dial resolution to 1khz.
Sold new for the princely sum of $3,000 in the 1960's. I understand
that repair and alignment was quite complex.


That sounds like a fine radio. I didn't know they were that feature rich.
I always knew the National HRO's were expensive, and when I look at E-bay
listings, they still go for a lot of money.
I have several hobbies, but SWL is still my favorite


Here's a borrowed shot:
http://www.rigpix.com/national/hro500.jpg


Oh boy! I love the looks of that! I love that style receiver. A few years
back I had a pair of Allied receivers. One was an AX-190, the other was an
SX-190, both had seperate speakers, and were styed similar to the National.
They had the center dial, and controls to the left and right. I loved that
pair of receivers, and sometimes I wish I would have never sold them. They
were not on the same level of the national of course, but they were
beautiful, and not bad performers either. But that National HRO...WOW, now
thats a radio! I would love to have that.



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[email protected] April 15th 07 04:04 AM

S 350 DL
 
I'm glad to hear that you've enjoyed your S350. I just picked one up
today as my first radio for SWL. I noticed the DL model you were
describing in black, but I didn't see a drastic difference and
decided on a $70.00 unit for my first listening device. The only thing
I was disappointed in was that the sales rep. told me I could also
tune WX frequencies, but I haven't found that to be the case. Not a
huge disappointment though.
Anyhow, thanks for the info as it reinforced my decision to grab this
radio today.


[email protected] April 18th 07 03:35 AM

S 350 DL
 
You say Huh??????????? Those stuck up cats in that
rec.amateur.radio+phonograph (or whatever they call it) so-called news
group.I DESPISE them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just because they think they know how to work on AM radios and tv sets
and phonographs,,,, they think they are hot snot and roasted boogers.I
have to watch this other Sanford & Son program on Radi tb now,,, next
up,,, Trees Company.
cuhulin



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