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(OT) : M II - It Ain't Nice - It's Hell - It's Called War
Cato wrote:
In Iraq, we don't attack mosques used as armories because we want to respect the mosque and Islam. How is using it as an armory "respecting Islam?" Well..... If we have damn good dependable intelligence that certain mosques are being used as armories by the enemy, then that would, as far as I am concerned, remove those mosques from the protection classification of a religious building. Take 'em out. Cato When your son comes back from Afghanistan, if he does end up going, talk to him about this. Or find an American vet from Iraq. -- Eric F. Richards "The weird part is that I can feel productive even when I'm doomed." - Dilbert |
Fishing Boats Caught in Ice Pack and Climate Change
In article uLwWh.1557$Zm.901@trndny03, Whatever
wrote: Telamon wrote: Anyone with even half a brain understands that mans contribution to various gas balance in the atmosphere is a drop in the bucket compared to natural processes that control it. We do not control the atmospheric gas balance or temperature globally. We do control it locally such as creating heat islands around cities for example but the over all climate picture is not determined by mans activity. There are many temperature cycles that can be seen over time. We may be at the end of a 20 year or middle of a 40 year warming trend. The average temperature may start to decline now or may increase another 0.6 degC yet then decline. Nobody knows what will happen yet because we do not have reliable temperature data beyond 150 years and global climate models are a joke so speculate all you want about what the future holds. Inconveniently, the single biggest individual energy user and propaganda provider in the USA is Al Gore. So you're willing to bet your future and that of future generations on the slight possibility that you're right. By the time we know for sure, it would be too late to act. If it turns out you're right, we will still have cleaned up the environment in an effort to stop global warming, even if it doesn't happen. Either way we win. What part of "man does not influence the climate" do you not understand? The only way to stop generating CO2 by our economy is to kill it and you would have to get every other country to kill its economy or it is for nothing. We all go back to the stone age globally. It is not going to happen. Personally you can do your part by holding your breath. Nothing wrong with being energy efficient and re-cycling waste so as to not pollute but it is not going to change the climate. You realize that trees and other plants generate particulate matter right? Chances are scientists will figure out that all the cars sucking in air and burning the natural particulate matter in it through filters and catalytic converters put out less particulate than went into the engine cleaning the air. Cleaner air next to the ground will let more sunlight hit it warming the earth raising temperatures in the lower atmosphere. How's that for a theory? Makes more sense than the global warming crowd makes. So go out there and drive an old car that generates more pollution and particulate matter into the air to fight global warming like Al Gore does. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
(OT) : M II - It Ain't Nice - It's Hell - It's Called War
On Apr 21, 7:22 pm, Eric F. Richards wrote:
Cato wrote: I think we are maybe not talking about the same thing exactly. What I am talking about is that in this war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the enemy has no feelings about innocent civilians. They will not hesitate to target innocent people and erase them from this world. That's right... I would like to think that we do not intentionally target civilian non-combatants. Generally, that's true... If we did, then we would be just as much murderous animals as the enemy that we fight. ...and I agree... (( Only if some country fired nukes at our cities, or we had conclusive evidence that they about to fire them at us, ( example, North Korea) would I agree to taking out the country with massive retaliation on their cities.)) But that's not what I'm talking about. The Powell Doctrine was pretty clear: Go in with overwhelming force, have a clear definition of the job from beginning to end, do the job with overwhelming military force, and get out. We went in on the cheap, with no reasonable answer to how to deal with the aftermath of taking the Iraqi government out, and neglected since then the escalating problems. We have also treated, for example, al Sadr to continue to function as a corrosive influence over there. A sniper team could have taken him out and I think we would have been better off with him as a potential martyr than as an active cancer. But, because he is a self-described "cleric" (as opposed to his father, who really was an expert on Islam), and hid in a mosque, we didn't touch him. He had no problem with taking us out. That is what I am talking about. Doing the best we can to take out the enemy, and leave the civilians unharmed as best we can. Sure there will be times were we fall down on that effort and some civilians will be killed accidentally, but I would like to think that we do our outmost to keep those innocent deaths to an absolute minimum. Cato What I read you talking about is that they don't fight fair. War isn't about fair, war is about winning control through violence. That's why we souldn't play with it, but treat it as soberly and seriously, something our American administration hasn't been willing to do. Screw fair. They do, and we should. I'm not talking about paving over the surface of Iraq and killing everyone, but we sure as hell shouldn't be afraid to fight the insurgents, al-Quida, the Taliban, etc on the grounds that they choose to hide from us. -- Eric F. Richards "Don't destroy the Earth! That's where I keep all of my stuff!" - Squidd onwww.fark.com Eric F. Richards Wrote: I'm not talking about paving over the surface of Iraq and killing everyone, but we sure as hell shouldn't be afraid to fight the insurgents, al-Quida, the Taliban, etc on the grounds that they choose to hide from us. Cato: I agree. I don't think we are really that far into disagreement. We shouldn't be afraid to fight them on the ground of their choosing. The type of war we are fighting over there is a hell of a lot different the most of the large conventional wars of the past. But we have to remember the Liberal Eastern Establishment and what they did during 'Nam through the media. Especially after the My Lai affair in '68. The liberal media is always looking for ways to weaken the resolve of the U.S. people. And not just in the U.S., but up here in Canada too. Whenever our Canadian forces go in, like Cyprus, or the Balkan's affair, (Thank God the military kept that one under wraps pretty good from our liberal media.) or Somalia in Africa, the leftwing media looks for ways to turn the people against the job that our soldiers are doing in those parts of the world, and put heavy presuure on the politicians to pull out and run. They will look at any excuse to hurt the military. I mentioned My Lai. Well we had an incident in Somalia in '95 that destroyed the Canadian Airborne Regiment. The regiment was disbanded after the media did a big smear job on them. All because of the action of two of the soldiers in the torture and beating death of a Somalian. He was one of a couple of Somalians that had slipped past our razor wire at night and was stealing regiment supplies. That one incident was the end of the regiment. A great regiment destroyed by the actions of two soldiers, and of course "The Liberal Media" in Canada. The left held parties to celebrate the disbanding of the Canadian Airborne Regiment. They saw it as a huge success, in their "war" against us. The liberal media will stop at nothing in their attempts to weaken us in the face of the citizens of our countries. I guess what I am saying is, we have to be careful that we don't set ourselves up as a bigger target for the liberal extablishment and their socialist buddies. Because everytime we do something over there that looks like we're hurting or killing civilians the media will do their utmost to turn our fellow American or Canadian citizens against us. My God. I don't like the situation any more then you do. It ****'n stinks. Pardon the language. I agree, that the best way is to go in with overwhelming massive force and end it quickly. (Why did I just think of Patton?, Always did admire that great American General.) Best regards, Cato |
Hundreds of Fishing Boats Caught in Ice Pack
On Apr 19, 10:47 am, Ian Jackson
wrote: In message .com, ve3... writes A CBC News report at 10 pm stated that hundreds of fishing boats and a Coast Guard vessel were caught in a giant pack ice field off the east cost of Newfoundland. Although most marine communication is VHF , there may be some HF communications going on. I am out of range, but maybe some closer could have a listen to Coast Guard and fish boat frequencies. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""" CANADIAN COAST GUARD HF FREQUENCIES AM frequencies: 2182, 2598, 2582, 518 SSB frequencies: 4125 2300 utc - 1100 6215 continuous 8291 continuous 12290 1100 utc - 2300 |
(OT) : Al Gore Lied - "The Great Global Warming Swindle"
On Apr 21, 9:24 pm, Whatever wrote:
Telamon wrote: In article uLwWh.1557$Zm.901@trndny03, Whatever wrote: Telamon wrote: Anyone with even half a brain understands that mans contribution to various gas balance in the atmosphere is a drop in the bucket compared to natural processes that control it. We do not control the atmospheric gas balance or temperature globally. We do control it locally such as creating heat islands around cities for example but the over all climate picture is not determined by mans activity. There are many temperature cycles that can be seen over time. We may be at the end of a 20 year or middle of a 40 year warming trend. The average temperature may start to decline now or may increase another 0.6 degC yet then decline. Nobody knows what will happen yet because we do not have reliable temperature data beyond 150 years and global climate models are a joke so speculate all you want about what the future holds. Inconveniently, the single biggest individual energy user and propaganda provider in the USA is Al Gore. So you're willing to bet your future and that of future generations on the slight possibility that you're right. By the time we know for sure, it would be too late to act. If it turns out you're right, we will still have cleaned up the environment in an effort to stop global warming, even if it doesn't happen. Either way we win. What part of "man does not influence the climate" do you not understand? I understand the part that's wrong. The only way to stop generating CO2 by our economy is to kill it and you would have to get every other country to kill its economy or it is for nothing. We all go back to the stone age globally. It is not going to happen. That's a strawman. No one proposes the complete cessation of CO2 production to curtail global warming. It's only necessary to reduce CO2 to the point where global warming stabilizes or hopefully reverses to a certain extent. Personally you can do your part by holding your breath. I do, between breaths. Nothing wrong with being energy efficient and re-cycling waste so as to not pollute but it is not going to change the climate. You realize that trees and other plants generate particulate matter right? That's the Ronald Reagan defense. He thought trees caused more pollution than cars. Trees produce 02 which is essential to life on the planet. O2 is not 'particulate matter'. Cars produce gases and particles which are harmful to the environment. Chances are scientists will figure out that all the cars sucking in air and burning the natural particulate matter in it through filters and catalytic converters put out less particulate than went into the engine cleaning the air. Cleaner air next to the ground will let more sunlight hit it warming the earth raising temperatures in the lower atmosphere. How's that for a theory? Chances are? You seem to be a gambler when it comes to the future of humanity. Are you doing the research on that theory? Makes more sense than the global warming crowd makes. So go out there and drive an old car that generates more pollution and particulate matter into the air to fight global warming like Al Gore does. - So where did you get your climatology degree WHATEVER ? Climatology Degree ? What Ever ! Got Mind from an All American Box-of-Cracker-Jacks ! ! ! ~ RHF And.. just where did you get yours a Forture Cookie ? WHATEVER - More importantly since Al Gore has NO Scientific Degree or Real Climatology Credentials : Then Why Do You Believe anything that he says at all ? ? ? -Blind-Faith- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore The Al Gore "Global Warming" Dog-and-Pony Show http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming presented by the Master of Pseudo-Science http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience Mystifying the Mindless with Scientific Mumbo Jumbo and Fear to Create Hysteria and Receive Grants and Funding. AL GORE LIED - "The Great Global Warming Swindle" http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...31355859226455 |
Fishing Boats Caught in Ice Pack and Climate Change
On 21 Apr 2007 16:27:24 -0700, Cato wrote:
Like I said, what about the Medieval Warm Period when the world was warmer then now. Tell me what caused that. Or the Little Ice Age from approx. the 1400's to the mid 19th century. What caused that? 2.3.3 Was there a ''Little Ice Age'' and a ''Medieval Warm Period''? The terms ''Little Ice Age'' and ''Medieval Warm Period'' have been used to describe two past climate epochs in Europe and neighbouring regions during roughly the 17th to 19th and 11th to 14th centuries, respectively. The timing, however, of these cold and warm periods has recently been demonstrated to vary geographically over the globe in a considerable way... http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/070.htm |
Fishing Boats Caught in Ice Pack and Climate Change
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:42:05 -0700, Telamon
wrote: The only way to stop generating CO2 by our economy is to kill it and you would have to get every other country to kill its economy or it is for nothing. We all go back to the stone age globally. It is not going to happen. It will only be an improvement over the joke we call ''civilization''. |
(OT) : Al Gore Lied - "The Great Global Warming Swindle"
RHF wrote:
Got Mind from an All American Box-of-Cracker-Jacks ! ! ! ~ RHF I'm sure you did. By all appearances, so did your cohorts. mike |
Fishing Boats Caught in Ice Pack and Climate Change
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David wrote: On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:42:05 -0700, Telamon wrote: The only way to stop generating CO2 by our economy is to kill it and you would have to get every other country to kill its economy or it is for nothing. We all go back to the stone age globally. It is not going to happen. It will only be an improvement over the joke we call ''civilization''. Really? I'm not ready to go back to the stone age. Feel free to go live in a cave without running water or electricity. I guess you won't be posting here anymore. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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