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(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:28:32 -0400, dxAce
wrote: Additionally, if one breaks in your home, it can cost up to $2300 to actually clean the place up due to the mercury, this was also I think pointed out on NPR or perhaps another network. I can imagine that once the bulbs are more commonplace that a real estate sale might just include testing for mercury and cleanup of any possible contamination prior to sale. Overall, I see it as a no win situation, and plan to stock up on incandescents. Urban legend, Sparkie. http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
On May 19, 5:28 pm, dxAce wrote:
Roadie wrote: On May 19, 3:00 pm, Telamon wrote: In article om, Roadie wrote: On May 18, 9:50 pm, wrote: www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you In celebration of Earth Day my local grocery store had GE CFL's on sale for a buck a piece. Couldn't resist the opportunity so I swapped out most of the bulbs. What a difference - because they are so much more efficient they consume 1/4 the energy for an equivalent amount of light from an incandescent bulb. The color temperature is very close to incandescent too. And for SWL's concerned about noise, the only time I pick up any noise from one is to move the radio to within 5 inches of the light. Did you know that even though CFL's contain a very small amount of mercury that they actually release less mercury into the atmosphere than an incandescent. That is possible because much of our power comes from burned coal which releases large amounts of mercury into the air. Indeed if you were to break all of the mercury CFL bulbs the total amount of mercury released including the amount of mercury used in power generation would be far less than that released by incandescent. You can always have a bulb re-cycling program to collect the mercury. Yes, I agree and such programs are starting in the USA. An NPR program characterized the amount as something like 5 miligrams...the size of the tip of a ball point pen. The amount of mercury not spewed into the atmosphere by buring coal makes the risk of a few bulbs breaking and the cost of recycling a more than reasonable tradeoff in my mind. However, that mercury is being spewed into the atmosphere in China where the bulbs are apparently all made. That problem occurs with any product that requires electricity in it's manfacture in China. On a related note imagine what is happening around their chip fabrication labs. Additionally, if one breaks in your home, it can cost up to $2300 to actually clean the place up due to the mercury, this was also I think pointed out on NPR or perhaps another network. Not on the NPR program I heard yesterday afternoon. I can imagine that once the bulbs are more commonplace that a real estate sale might just include testing for mercury and cleanup of any possible contamination prior to sale. No more than from the very common long tube flourescent tubes that have been used in kiteches and under counters for decades. Indeed the amount of mercury used in bulbs has been reduced drastically. One very important point to remember is that the total addition of mercury to the ecology is still much less with flourescent bulbs than with incandescent, even if you were to break all those bulbs. Overall, I see it as a no win situation, and plan to stock up on incandescents. You are ahead in terms of energy consumption and mrecury pollution by switching to flourescent. F**K you, Al Gore, you mentally ill idiot. Oh well, the Preakness is about to run. Hopefully my horse Curlin will have a better showing. The CFL's I have seen do not have a incandescent bulb spectrum but like most florescent bulbs tint toward blue. Actually the newer ones are colored slightly warm to come close to incandescent bulbs. The color in degrees kelvin is 2700 for the GE and comparable helical style bulbs. GE and other companies do make cooler bulbs. The older style bulbs were definitely on the cold side giving ones face a corpse-like color! It would cost more money for the inside bulb coating and also reduce the efficiency of the bulb for a CFL to generate a redder spectrum. Don't know how they do it, but the current group of bulbs is right in there with incandescents for color temperature. Indeed I swapped 10 of them out and told my wife I'd improved on the lighting but didn't say how. She couldn't see a difference. What did you pay for the bulbs? $1.00 a piece at the local grocery on Earth Day. Shop around a bit and you can find them in packages for a cost of $2.50 per bulb. Another question is how did you determine that they only disturb the radio from 5 inches away? The problem with this technology is that the power spectrum they broadcast is diverse with more power on some frequencies. You would need a spectrum analyzer to determine this with any certainty. Tuning around and listening gets me close enough to certainty. If I can't hear it and it doesn't disturb listening them it isn't a problem. The greatest noise was on the AM band and it disappears within 10 inches of the bulb.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
dxAce wrote: Roadie wrote: On May 19, 3:00 pm, Telamon wrote: In article om, Roadie wrote: On May 18, 9:50 pm, wrote: www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you In celebration of Earth Day my local grocery store had GE CFL's on sale for a buck a piece. Couldn't resist the opportunity so I swapped out most of the bulbs. What a difference - because they are so much more efficient they consume 1/4 the energy for an equivalent amount of light from an incandescent bulb. The color temperature is very close to incandescent too. And for SWL's concerned about noise, the only time I pick up any noise from one is to move the radio to within 5 inches of the light. Did you know that even though CFL's contain a very small amount of mercury that they actually release less mercury into the atmosphere than an incandescent. That is possible because much of our power comes from burned coal which releases large amounts of mercury into the air. Indeed if you were to break all of the mercury CFL bulbs the total amount of mercury released including the amount of mercury used in power generation would be far less than that released by incandescent. You can always have a bulb re-cycling program to collect the mercury. Yes, I agree and such programs are starting in the USA. An NPR program characterized the amount as something like 5 miligrams...the size of the tip of a ball point pen. The amount of mercury not spewed into the atmosphere by buring coal makes the risk of a few bulbs breaking and the cost of recycling a more than reasonable tradeoff in my mind. However, that mercury is being spewed into the atmosphere in China where the bulbs are apparently all made. Additionally, if one breaks in your home, it can cost up to $2300 to actually clean the place up due to the mercury, this was also I think pointed out on NPR or perhaps another network. I can imagine that once the bulbs are more commonplace that a real estate sale might just include testing for mercury and cleanup of any possible contamination prior to sale. Overall, I see it as a no win situation, and plan to stock up on incandescents. F**K you, Al Gore, you mentally ill idiot. Oh well, the Preakness is about to run. Hopefully my horse Curlin will have a better showing. Unofficial result: My horse Curlin WINS! |
(OT) : Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs -and- EnergyEffi...
When my buddy got out of active duty,U.S.Navy (U.S.S.Ticonderoga) back
in the 1960's,he worked for a couple of years in the maintnace department at the G.E.lamp plant that used to be on Highway 80 here in Jackson.The old building is still there,but some small businesses use that building nowadays.I would be over at his home visiting him and his family and sometimes some other friends would be over there.Whenever he talked about working at the old G.E.plant,the stories he told were usually about some funny humorous things that happened,things about bulbs exploding and the mercury machines.Then he went to work delivering the U.S.Mail for the U.S.P.O.More funny humoros stories. cuhulin |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
Good on yer,Curlin! With a name almost sort of kind of similar like
cuhulin,how can you lose? Why do some people equate Incandescent Light Bulbs to Coal? America gets most of it's electricity for the grid from coal and nuclear and hydro plants.If you are using flourescent light bulbs,how do you whether or not coal is producing the electricity for those flourescent light bulbs? No urban legen here,,,, I am staying with G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs for as long as possible. cuhulin,the Winner |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
On May 18, 9:50 pm, wrote:
www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you We have replaced most of our lightbulbs with CFLs. Only those few bulbs controlled by a dimmer switch are still incandescents. New Jersey had a program a couple of years back encouraging people to switch to CFLs by offering them for $1.00 apiece, the rest being subsidized by the state. I took advantage of that offer and bought over 12 DOZEN of them, mostly the 15 Watt (60 Watt equivalent) CFLs but also some 7 Watt (30 Watt equivalent) and 11 Watt (40 Watt equivalent). The 7 and 11 Watt bulbs are enclosed so one does not see the "twist." They are good in powder rooms. All that said, I believe the future will NOT be CFLs. I would recommend that young people here try a few to see if they like them, but do not stock up on them. The reason I say this is because I believe the future will be LED bulbs. These are far more efficient than even the best CFLS and the LEDs will last from 4 to 10 times as long, maybe even longer. Once the price comes down to a reasonable level, I would see no reason for LEDs NOT to become the lighting standard. (I'm older so I do not know if LEDs will become practical in my lifetime.) Have you tried any of the LED flashlights? I bought several from AES. They sell a model for $9.99 that is machined from aluminum and runs on 3 AAA batteries: "HOUSE OF DEALS 9LED/3AAAFLSLT*" see this listed at: http://search.cartserver.com/search/....y=11&go=GO%21 It's the third item down. I have to tell you this thing is BRIGHT! AND it's made as well as any MagLight I own. These will give you something of an idea as to what can be done with LEDs. If this can be accomplished with flashlights, I can't wait until they achieve this level of lighting quality with home LED light bulbs. (I've even seen some LED flashlights in the "Dollar Tree" store. They have only 3 LEDs and are not as bright or as well made as the AES models, but for only a dollar ... ) And, yes, I know all these LED flashlights are, in fact, made in China. Pity. Best, Joe |
(OT) : Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs -and- Energy Efficient Lighting
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If it's off-topic, then don't respond. ANd at the very least, get with the program so it doesn't look like you are spawning all these off-topic posts. If you really feel you have to change the subject header, you should be making it clear that you are doing so. So you'd be doing something like New Topic was: old topic But it would be a far better newsgroup if you just ignored the off-topic posts, MIchael |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message oups.com... Have you tried any of the LED flashlights? I bought several from AES. They sell a model for $9.99 that is machined from aluminum and runs on 3 AAA batteries: "HOUSE OF DEALS 9LED/3AAAFLSLT*" see this listed at: http://search.cartserver.com/search/....y=11&go=GO%21 It's the third item down. I have to tell you this thing is BRIGHT! AND it's made as well as any MagLight I own. These will give you something of an idea as to what can be done with LEDs. If this can be accomplished with flashlights, I can't wait until they achieve this level of lighting quality with home LED light bulbs. (I've even seen some LED flashlights in the "Dollar Tree" store. They have only 3 LEDs and are not as bright or as well made as the AES models, but for only a dollar ... ) I used to think the multi-LED flashlights were bright (and, indeed, compared to a small incandescent flashlight, they are... but much more difuse). The ones that are REALLY bright are the LuxeonŽ type LED lights. These are the ones most likely to eventually make it into meaningful home lighting. I have some 32 LED lamps that I use in various places. They are about the same brightness level as the little 7 1/2 watt sign bulbs (but of course use less than one watt). The Luxeon is many times brighter, and with just a single light source. These are quite a bit more expensive for the higher power ones, but the 1 watt and 3 watt versions are coming down in price rapidly. Not mine: http://cgi.ebay.com/5-WATT-LUXEON-LE...mZ200111569581 |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
Gallium arsenide (a derivitive of Aluminum,if you are in
England,Aluminium) is in LED lights. www.webelements.com Gallium cuhulin |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
You ever saw them old comic books before and them big wide spotlights
from them old flashlights? I own two old,old,old (and many more old,old,old flashlights too.Some of them are very collectible. www.devilfinder.com Flashlight Museum) flashlights like that.The lenses on them are like a magnafying lense with a flat side on the bottom.They cast a pure wide light. cuhulin |
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