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(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
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I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
On May 18, 9:50 pm, wrote:
www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you In celebration of Earth Day my local grocery store had GE CFL's on sale for a buck a piece. Couldn't resist the opportunity so I swapped out most of the bulbs. What a difference - because they are so much more efficient they consume 1/4 the energy for an equivalent amount of light from an incandescent bulb. The color temperature is very close to incandescent too. And for SWL's concerned about noise, the only time I pick up any noise from one is to move the radio to within 5 inches of the light. Did you know that even though CFL's contain a very small amount of mercury that they actually release less mercury into the atmosphere than an incandescent. That is possible because much of our power comes from burned coal which releases large amounts of mercury into the air. Indeed if you were to break all of the mercury CFL bulbs the total amount of mercury released including the amount of mercury used in power generation would be far less than that released by incandescent. |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
On May 18, 6:50 pm, wrote:
www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you I couldn't find the article about flourescent bulbs, but there was a lot of other good reading. Thanks for the link. |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
In article om,
Roadie wrote: On May 18, 9:50 pm, wrote: www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you In celebration of Earth Day my local grocery store had GE CFL's on sale for a buck a piece. Couldn't resist the opportunity so I swapped out most of the bulbs. What a difference - because they are so much more efficient they consume 1/4 the energy for an equivalent amount of light from an incandescent bulb. The color temperature is very close to incandescent too. And for SWL's concerned about noise, the only time I pick up any noise from one is to move the radio to within 5 inches of the light. Did you know that even though CFL's contain a very small amount of mercury that they actually release less mercury into the atmosphere than an incandescent. That is possible because much of our power comes from burned coal which releases large amounts of mercury into the air. Indeed if you were to break all of the mercury CFL bulbs the total amount of mercury released including the amount of mercury used in power generation would be far less than that released by incandescent. You can always have a bulb re-cycling program to collect the mercury. The CFL's I have seen do not have a incandescent bulb spectrum but like most florescent bulbs tint toward blue. It would cost more money for the inside bulb coating and also reduce the efficiency of the bulb for a CFL to generate a redder spectrum. What did you pay for the bulbs? Another question is how did you determine that they only disturb the radio from 5 inches away? The problem with this technology is that the power spectrum they broadcast is diverse with more power on some frequencies. You would need a spectrum analyzer to determine this with any certainty. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
On May 19, 3:00 pm, Telamon
wrote: In article om, Roadie wrote: On May 18, 9:50 pm, wrote: www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you In celebration of Earth Day my local grocery store had GE CFL's on sale for a buck a piece. Couldn't resist the opportunity so I swapped out most of the bulbs. What a difference - because they are so much more efficient they consume 1/4 the energy for an equivalent amount of light from an incandescent bulb. The color temperature is very close to incandescent too. And for SWL's concerned about noise, the only time I pick up any noise from one is to move the radio to within 5 inches of the light. Did you know that even though CFL's contain a very small amount of mercury that they actually release less mercury into the atmosphere than an incandescent. That is possible because much of our power comes from burned coal which releases large amounts of mercury into the air. Indeed if you were to break all of the mercury CFL bulbs the total amount of mercury released including the amount of mercury used in power generation would be far less than that released by incandescent. You can always have a bulb re-cycling program to collect the mercury. Yes, I agree and such programs are starting in the USA. An NPR program characterized the amount as something like 5 miligrams...the size of the tip of a ball point pen. The amount of mercury not spewed into the atmosphere by buring coal makes the risk of a few bulbs breaking and the cost of recycling a more than reasonable tradeoff in my mind. The CFL's I have seen do not have a incandescent bulb spectrum but like most florescent bulbs tint toward blue. Actually the newer ones are colored slightly warm to come close to incandescent bulbs. The color in degrees kelvin is 2700 for the GE and comparable helical style bulbs. GE and other companies do make cooler bulbs. The older style bulbs were definitely on the cold side giving ones face a corpse-like color! It would cost more money for the inside bulb coating and also reduce the efficiency of the bulb for a CFL to generate a redder spectrum. Don't know how they do it, but the current group of bulbs is right in there with incandescents for color temperature. Indeed I swapped 10 of them out and told my wife I'd improved on the lighting but didn't say how. She couldn't see a difference. What did you pay for the bulbs? $1.00 a piece at the local grocery on Earth Day. Shop around a bit and you can find them in packages for a cost of $2.50 per bulb. Another question is how did you determine that they only disturb the radio from 5 inches away? The problem with this technology is that the power spectrum they broadcast is diverse with more power on some frequencies. You would need a spectrum analyzer to determine this with any certainty. Tuning around and listening gets me close enough to certainty. If I can't hear it and it doesn't disturb listening them it isn't a problem. The greatest noise was on the AM band and it disappears within 10 inches of the bulb. |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
Roadie wrote: On May 19, 3:00 pm, Telamon wrote: In article om, Roadie wrote: On May 18, 9:50 pm, wrote: www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you In celebration of Earth Day my local grocery store had GE CFL's on sale for a buck a piece. Couldn't resist the opportunity so I swapped out most of the bulbs. What a difference - because they are so much more efficient they consume 1/4 the energy for an equivalent amount of light from an incandescent bulb. The color temperature is very close to incandescent too. And for SWL's concerned about noise, the only time I pick up any noise from one is to move the radio to within 5 inches of the light. Did you know that even though CFL's contain a very small amount of mercury that they actually release less mercury into the atmosphere than an incandescent. That is possible because much of our power comes from burned coal which releases large amounts of mercury into the air. Indeed if you were to break all of the mercury CFL bulbs the total amount of mercury released including the amount of mercury used in power generation would be far less than that released by incandescent. You can always have a bulb re-cycling program to collect the mercury. Yes, I agree and such programs are starting in the USA. An NPR program characterized the amount as something like 5 miligrams...the size of the tip of a ball point pen. The amount of mercury not spewed into the atmosphere by buring coal makes the risk of a few bulbs breaking and the cost of recycling a more than reasonable tradeoff in my mind. However, that mercury is being spewed into the atmosphere in China where the bulbs are apparently all made. Additionally, if one breaks in your home, it can cost up to $2300 to actually clean the place up due to the mercury, this was also I think pointed out on NPR or perhaps another network. I can imagine that once the bulbs are more commonplace that a real estate sale might just include testing for mercury and cleanup of any possible contamination prior to sale. Overall, I see it as a no win situation, and plan to stock up on incandescents. F**K you, Al Gore, you mentally ill idiot. Oh well, the Preakness is about to run. Hopefully my horse Curlin will have a better showing. The CFL's I have seen do not have a incandescent bulb spectrum but like most florescent bulbs tint toward blue. Actually the newer ones are colored slightly warm to come close to incandescent bulbs. The color in degrees kelvin is 2700 for the GE and comparable helical style bulbs. GE and other companies do make cooler bulbs. The older style bulbs were definitely on the cold side giving ones face a corpse-like color! It would cost more money for the inside bulb coating and also reduce the efficiency of the bulb for a CFL to generate a redder spectrum. Don't know how they do it, but the current group of bulbs is right in there with incandescents for color temperature. Indeed I swapped 10 of them out and told my wife I'd improved on the lighting but didn't say how. She couldn't see a difference. What did you pay for the bulbs? $1.00 a piece at the local grocery on Earth Day. Shop around a bit and you can find them in packages for a cost of $2.50 per bulb. Another question is how did you determine that they only disturb the radio from 5 inches away? The problem with this technology is that the power spectrum they broadcast is diverse with more power on some frequencies. You would need a spectrum analyzer to determine this with any certainty. Tuning around and listening gets me close enough to certainty. If I can't hear it and it doesn't disturb listening them it isn't a problem. The greatest noise was on the AM band and it disappears within 10 inches of the bulb. |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
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(OT) : Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs -and- Energy Efficient Lighting
On May 19, 11:53 am, Burt Smith wrote:
On May 18, 6:50 pm, wrote: www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you I couldn't find the article about flourescent bulbs, but there was a lot of other good reading. Thanks for the link. READ - Energy Efficient Lighting http://www.eartheasy.com/live_energyeff_lighting.htm * Benefits of the Compact Fluorescent Bulbs * Choosing a CFL Bulb * Limitations, Disposal of CFLs * LED Lights, Benefits, Uses * Online Sources for Energy-efficient lighting GE -says- Compact Fluorescent Lighting are A-OK ! * More about Compact Fluorescent Lighting (CFL) and the Power Smart Compact Fluorescent Lighting Program http://www.eartheasy.com/live_energyeff_lighting.htm * CFLs a Bright Way to Save Time, Energy and Money ! http://medfordcan.home.comcast.net/Myths.html * Energy Star - Look for the ENERGY STAR Symbol http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=cfls.pr_cfls * Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) -about- Compact Fluorescent Lighting (CFL) http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_li...aq_compact.htm * Are Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs (CFL) CFLs a Bright Way to Save Money ? http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com...escent_faq.htm WIKIPEDIA - Compact Fluorescent Lamp (CFL) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp -or- Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulb -aka- Energy Saving Light Bulb WARNING - Got Radio Noise ? Some CFLs produce RFI at 2.65 MHz (5.37.9510.613.2515.918.5521.2) and 13.6 MHz (27.2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact...ther_CFL_techn... Try Natural {Full Spectrum} "Daylight" CFLs* that are "Daylight" (5000 K - 6500 K) rated and produce a slightly Bluish-White light. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact...nt_lamp#Colors LIGHT COLOR = http://www.lightsofamerica.com/light-color.htm http://www.solux.net/?gclid=CKr0xq_3rYkCFQRDYwodtTThpg * Note "CFL" means Compact Fluorescent Lamp (CFL) CFL = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp Usually about Three-Times (3X) the cost of an old fashion Incandescent Electric Light Bulb even those nice GE "Reveal" Bulbs with the Blue Tint. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb On-the-Plus-Side - CFL's use about 1/4 the Electricity (Power / Energy) as the older Incandescent Light Bulbs. ENERGY = http://www.lightsofamerica.com/light-cfl.htm On-the-Plus-Side - CFL's last, and Last and LAST usually about 6-Times and up to 10-Times the life of the older Incandescent Light Bulbs. SERVICE = http://www.lightsofamerica.com/light-cfl.htm The-Bottom-Line - Overall CFLs have a 'lower' Lifetime Total Cost then the older Incandescent Light Bulbs. {They Save You Money} Good-for-the-Planet - CFL's are simply better for the Environment then the older Incandescent Light Bulbs. Note - Most CFLs are "Energy Star" Rated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENERGY_STAR TIP - I personally like Lights-of-America CFLs that use the "FluoreX Technology" in their 'SunLight Bulb' which produces a Natural Spectrum Light to counter the effects of "SAD" Seasonal Affective Disorder. SAD = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasona...ctive_disorder DAYLIGHTS = http://www.activeandable.com/products/241 Note - If you can find them the Lights-of-America CFL LoA = http://www.lightsofamerica.com/ Model # 2830 S "Mushroom" shaped CFL Daylight Bulb is rated as a 135 Watt Light Output [ this is a good 'replacement for a 100-150 Watt Incandescent Bulb ] with only 30 Watts of Energy use. These used to be about $8.66 at Walmart - but getting hard to find there. http://www.budgetlighting.com/store/...934339.6451*Q1... WARNING - Got Radio Noise ? Some CFLs produce RFI at 2.65 MHz (5.37.9510.613.2515.918.5521.2) and 13.6 MHz (27.2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact...ther_CFL_techn... incandescently yours for i was born in an age when . . . real radios glowed in the dark ~ RHF |
(OT) : Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs -and- Energy EfficientLighting
RHF wrote: On May 19, 11:53 am, Burt Smith wrote: On May 18, 6:50 pm, wrote: www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you I couldn't find the article about flourescent bulbs, but there was a lot of other good reading. Thanks for the link. READ - Energy Efficient Lighting http://www.eartheasy.com/live_energyeff_lighting.htm * Benefits of the Compact Fluorescent Bulbs * Choosing a CFL Bulb * Limitations, Disposal of CFLs * LED Lights, Benefits, Uses * Online Sources for Energy-efficient lighting GE -says- Compact Fluorescent Lighting are A-OK ! * More about Compact Fluorescent Lighting (CFL) and the Power Smart Compact Fluorescent Lighting Program http://www.eartheasy.com/live_energyeff_lighting.htm * CFLs a Bright Way to Save Time, Energy and Money ! http://medfordcan.home.comcast.net/Myths.html * Energy Star - Look for the ENERGY STAR Symbol http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=cfls.pr_cfls * Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) -about- Compact Fluorescent Lighting (CFL) http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_li...aq_compact.htm * Are Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs (CFL) CFLs a Bright Way to Save Money ? http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com...escent_faq.htm WIKIPEDIA - Compact Fluorescent Lamp (CFL) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp -or- Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulb -aka- Energy Saving Light Bulb WARNING - Got Radio Noise ? Some CFLs produce RFI at 2.65 MHz (5.37.9510.613.2515.918.5521.2) and 13.6 MHz (27.2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact...ther_CFL_techn... Try Natural {Full Spectrum} "Daylight" CFLs* that are "Daylight" (5000 K - 6500 K) rated and produce a slightly Bluish-White light. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact...nt_lamp#Colors LIGHT COLOR = http://www.lightsofamerica.com/light-color.htm http://www.solux.net/?gclid=CKr0xq_3rYkCFQRDYwodtTThpg * Note "CFL" means Compact Fluorescent Lamp (CFL) CFL = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp Usually about Three-Times (3X) the cost of an old fashion Incandescent Electric Light Bulb even those nice GE "Reveal" Bulbs with the Blue Tint. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb On-the-Plus-Side - CFL's use about 1/4 the Electricity (Power / Energy) as the older Incandescent Light Bulbs. ENERGY = http://www.lightsofamerica.com/light-cfl.htm On-the-Plus-Side - CFL's last, and Last and LAST usually about 6-Times and up to 10-Times the life of the older Incandescent Light Bulbs. SERVICE = http://www.lightsofamerica.com/light-cfl.htm The-Bottom-Line - Overall CFLs have a 'lower' Lifetime Total Cost then the older Incandescent Light Bulbs. {They Save You Money} Good-for-the-Planet - CFL's are simply better for the Environment then the older Incandescent Light Bulbs. Note - Most CFLs are "Energy Star" Rated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENERGY_STAR TIP - I personally like Lights-of-America CFLs that use the "FluoreX Technology" in their 'SunLight Bulb' which produces a Natural Spectrum Light to counter the effects of "SAD" Seasonal Affective Disorder. SAD = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasona...ctive_disorder DAYLIGHTS = http://www.activeandable.com/products/241 Note - If you can find them the Lights-of-America CFL LoA = http://www.lightsofamerica.com/ Model # 2830 S "Mushroom" shaped CFL Daylight Bulb is rated as a 135 Watt Light Output [ this is a good 'replacement for a 100-150 Watt Incandescent Bulb ] with only 30 Watts of Energy use. These used to be about $8.66 at Walmart - but getting hard to find there. http://www.budgetlighting.com/store/...934339.6451*Q1... WARNING - Got Radio Noise ? Some CFLs produce RFI at 2.65 MHz (5.37.9510.613.2515.918.5521.2) and 13.6 MHz (27.2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact...ther_CFL_techn... incandescently yours for i was born in an age when . . . real radios glowed in the dark ~ RHF . . . . Here is another CFL Daylight Bulb with a built-in Anion 'thingy' to help Purify the Air inside your Homes. - - - These can help-out in Bathrooms Day Light CFL Bulb with "Ionic" Air Purifier 23 Watt http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ4463219015 The EONY-Light is a Negative Ion Generating Lamp for Air Purification. Note - The Negative Ions (Anions) in the Air 'vitalize' our body as though we were in a forest, by a waterfall, or at a hot spring. A Negative Ion is often called "The Air Vitamin", because when we inhale the Negative Ions, they accelerate our metabolism, promote vitality, stabilize the nervous system, help us recover from fatigue and raise our appetite. The volume of Negative Ions per cubic centimeter (cc) in tranquil, refreshing natural areas (such as forests, hot springs, waterfalls, and oceans) amount to about 800- 2000 Ions/cc. What You Should Know About The Air You Breathe : 1. The average person breathes approximately 3,400 gallons of air each day - unfortunately much of that air is filled with contaminants, pollutants, and impurities you just can't see. 2. According to the Enviromental Protection Agency, the air inside your home can be two-to-five times more polluted than the air outside. 3. Home interior air can contain a variety of contaminants and pollutants including mold spores, pollen, bacteria, dust mites, asbestos, radon decay products, and other particles and impurities. i have seen the day-light and ion better for it ~ RHF . . . . FO&A - More about Compact Fluorescent Lighting (CFL) and the Power Smart Compact Fluorescent Lighting Program A Bright Way to Save Time, Energy and Money! http://www.hydro.mb.ca/saving_with_p..._to_save.shtml Energy Star - Look for the ENERGY STAR Symbol http://www.hydro.mb.ca/saving_with_p...rgy_star.shtml http://www.energystar.gov/ Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) -about- Compact Fluorescent Lighting (CFL) http://www.hydro.mb.ca/saving_with_ps/compact_faq.shtml Are Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs (CFL) CFLs a Bright Way to Save Money ? http://www.hydro.mb.ca/saving_with_p..._to_save.shtml PLUS - That Something Extra - Light Emitting Diode (LED) Lights "Celebrate the Holiday Season with Seasonal LED Lights http://www.hydro.mb.ca/saving_with_p...l_lights.shtml Did You Know (DYK) - The amount of Electricity consumed by a single old style 7-Watt Incandescent Light Bulb {NightLite} could power 140 LED Bulbs - enough to fill two 24 - foot strings. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) -about- Light Emitting Diodes (LEDs) http://www.hydro.mb.ca/saving_with_p...ghts_faq.shtml it is better to shine one cfl/led light than to... ~ RHF . . . . ? WHAT IS MERCURY (HG) ? ? What are the Sources of Mercury Emissions ? ? What are the Risks associated with Mercury ? http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_li...aq_compact.htm Mercury and the Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs (CFL) CFLs present an opportunity to prevent Mercury Emissions from entering the Environment because they Help-to-Reduce Emissions {Pollution} from Coal-Fired Power Plants. Note - A Coal-Fired Electric Power Plant will emit 13.6 milligrams of Mercury to produce Electricity required to use an Incandescent Light Bulb, compared to 3.3 milligrams for a CFL with the same light output. EPA Mercury News & Info = http://www.epa.gov/mercury/ mercury the messager and the message is cfl ~ RHF . . . . ABOUT - MERCURY [ HG ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element) Organic Mercury Compounds {Methyl-Mercury} Meta-Mercury ? http://www.greenfacts.org/glossary/m...-compounds.htm IIRC - When they build a Dam {Reservoir} one of the things that they have found that they need to do is remove all the Trees and other Vegetation : Because most of it has some Organic Mercury in it and as it Decays under the Water and is Consumed by the Animals, Plants and Fish in the Water the Organic Mercury then enters the Human Food Chain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservoir_(water) Scientific Facts on Mercury {Q&A} http://www.greenfacts.org/mercury/index.htm Mercury and its Many Forms http://www.calpoison.org/public/mercury.html While CFL Bulbs do use and consume Mercury via Electrical Generation. Over their Rated Service Life they us less Mercury then the same number of Incandescent Bulbs required for that CFL's Rated Service Life period that have the same Rated Light Output : Because they use much less energy and the production of Energy results in the by product of Mercury in our Air and Water. Incandescent Bulbs use 3-4 times the Electrical Energy and thus require 3-4 times the Electrical Generation -and- When that Electricity is from a Coal-Fired Electrical Power Generation Plants Mercury Air Pollution is a by-product. . . . . CHINA {PRC} The New "GLOBAL" Polluter of the World ! Coal-Fired-Electrical-Power-Generation-Plants {China PRC} Coal 'fired' Electrical Power Generation Plants are a significant source of Mercury and Sulfur Air Pollution which results in Acid Rain and Higher Levels of Mercury in Lakes and Streams. http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deput...drain/acidrain... http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/aw/ai...h/acidrain.htm http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/e...idrain817.html The Environmental Literacy Council - Acid Rain and Mercury http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/2.html New England Governors and Eastern Canadian Premiers - Adopt Mercury and Acid Rain Action Plan http://dep.state.ct.us/whatshap/Press/1998/mercury.htm TVA - Acid Rain and Mercury - Air Emissions from Coal-Fired Power Plants http://www.tva.gov/environment/air/o...r/acidrain.htm EPA = http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/cmprpt/arp05/ CHINA - The World's Newest Mega-Pollutor -Invisible Export- A Hidden Cost of China's Growth: Mercury Migration and Acid Rain http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=5058 Using Coal as a Source of Power - The Nation of China (PRC) Sends Toxic Metal Around Globe; Buildup in the Great Lakes Conveyor Belt of Bad Air EPA & CHINA = http://www.epa.gov/oia/airandclimate.../chinaair.html CHINA : Pollution From Chinese Coal-Fired-Electrical Power Plants - Casts a Global Poisonous Shadow World Wide -The New York Times- http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13709 http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...739550C728DDDA... http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/bu...ss/11chinacoal.... One of China's lesser-known Exports is a Dangerous Brew of Soot, Toxic Chemicals and Climate-Changing Gases from the Smokestacks of Coal-Fired Electrical Power Generation Plants. Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) NRDC = http://www.nrdc.org/ * Saving 2.5 Million Barrels of Oil a Day by 2015 http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/rep/chap1.asp * Providing America with Clean, Affordable Electricity http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/rep/chap2.asp * Creating a Responsible Natural Gas Policy http://www.nrdc.org/air/energy/rep/chap3.asp cough, Cough. COUGH ! Coal-Fired Air Pollution is Real ~ RHF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollution . . . . The-Bottom-Line - Compact Fluorescent Light CFL Bulbs are still better for the World's Environment then the older Incandescent Bulbs [.] I doubt it. This is somewhat akin to *manmade global warming*, *Y2K*, *space aliens*, and anything else the fruits, nuts and flakes can possibly dream up. |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:28:32 -0400, dxAce
wrote: Additionally, if one breaks in your home, it can cost up to $2300 to actually clean the place up due to the mercury, this was also I think pointed out on NPR or perhaps another network. I can imagine that once the bulbs are more commonplace that a real estate sale might just include testing for mercury and cleanup of any possible contamination prior to sale. Overall, I see it as a no win situation, and plan to stock up on incandescents. Urban legend, Sparkie. http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp |
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On May 19, 5:28 pm, dxAce wrote:
Roadie wrote: On May 19, 3:00 pm, Telamon wrote: In article om, Roadie wrote: On May 18, 9:50 pm, wrote: www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you In celebration of Earth Day my local grocery store had GE CFL's on sale for a buck a piece. Couldn't resist the opportunity so I swapped out most of the bulbs. What a difference - because they are so much more efficient they consume 1/4 the energy for an equivalent amount of light from an incandescent bulb. The color temperature is very close to incandescent too. And for SWL's concerned about noise, the only time I pick up any noise from one is to move the radio to within 5 inches of the light. Did you know that even though CFL's contain a very small amount of mercury that they actually release less mercury into the atmosphere than an incandescent. That is possible because much of our power comes from burned coal which releases large amounts of mercury into the air. Indeed if you were to break all of the mercury CFL bulbs the total amount of mercury released including the amount of mercury used in power generation would be far less than that released by incandescent. You can always have a bulb re-cycling program to collect the mercury. Yes, I agree and such programs are starting in the USA. An NPR program characterized the amount as something like 5 miligrams...the size of the tip of a ball point pen. The amount of mercury not spewed into the atmosphere by buring coal makes the risk of a few bulbs breaking and the cost of recycling a more than reasonable tradeoff in my mind. However, that mercury is being spewed into the atmosphere in China where the bulbs are apparently all made. That problem occurs with any product that requires electricity in it's manfacture in China. On a related note imagine what is happening around their chip fabrication labs. Additionally, if one breaks in your home, it can cost up to $2300 to actually clean the place up due to the mercury, this was also I think pointed out on NPR or perhaps another network. Not on the NPR program I heard yesterday afternoon. I can imagine that once the bulbs are more commonplace that a real estate sale might just include testing for mercury and cleanup of any possible contamination prior to sale. No more than from the very common long tube flourescent tubes that have been used in kiteches and under counters for decades. Indeed the amount of mercury used in bulbs has been reduced drastically. One very important point to remember is that the total addition of mercury to the ecology is still much less with flourescent bulbs than with incandescent, even if you were to break all those bulbs. Overall, I see it as a no win situation, and plan to stock up on incandescents. You are ahead in terms of energy consumption and mrecury pollution by switching to flourescent. F**K you, Al Gore, you mentally ill idiot. Oh well, the Preakness is about to run. Hopefully my horse Curlin will have a better showing. The CFL's I have seen do not have a incandescent bulb spectrum but like most florescent bulbs tint toward blue. Actually the newer ones are colored slightly warm to come close to incandescent bulbs. The color in degrees kelvin is 2700 for the GE and comparable helical style bulbs. GE and other companies do make cooler bulbs. The older style bulbs were definitely on the cold side giving ones face a corpse-like color! It would cost more money for the inside bulb coating and also reduce the efficiency of the bulb for a CFL to generate a redder spectrum. Don't know how they do it, but the current group of bulbs is right in there with incandescents for color temperature. Indeed I swapped 10 of them out and told my wife I'd improved on the lighting but didn't say how. She couldn't see a difference. What did you pay for the bulbs? $1.00 a piece at the local grocery on Earth Day. Shop around a bit and you can find them in packages for a cost of $2.50 per bulb. Another question is how did you determine that they only disturb the radio from 5 inches away? The problem with this technology is that the power spectrum they broadcast is diverse with more power on some frequencies. You would need a spectrum analyzer to determine this with any certainty. Tuning around and listening gets me close enough to certainty. If I can't hear it and it doesn't disturb listening them it isn't a problem. The greatest noise was on the AM band and it disappears within 10 inches of the bulb.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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dxAce wrote: Roadie wrote: On May 19, 3:00 pm, Telamon wrote: In article om, Roadie wrote: On May 18, 9:50 pm, wrote: www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you In celebration of Earth Day my local grocery store had GE CFL's on sale for a buck a piece. Couldn't resist the opportunity so I swapped out most of the bulbs. What a difference - because they are so much more efficient they consume 1/4 the energy for an equivalent amount of light from an incandescent bulb. The color temperature is very close to incandescent too. And for SWL's concerned about noise, the only time I pick up any noise from one is to move the radio to within 5 inches of the light. Did you know that even though CFL's contain a very small amount of mercury that they actually release less mercury into the atmosphere than an incandescent. That is possible because much of our power comes from burned coal which releases large amounts of mercury into the air. Indeed if you were to break all of the mercury CFL bulbs the total amount of mercury released including the amount of mercury used in power generation would be far less than that released by incandescent. You can always have a bulb re-cycling program to collect the mercury. Yes, I agree and such programs are starting in the USA. An NPR program characterized the amount as something like 5 miligrams...the size of the tip of a ball point pen. The amount of mercury not spewed into the atmosphere by buring coal makes the risk of a few bulbs breaking and the cost of recycling a more than reasonable tradeoff in my mind. However, that mercury is being spewed into the atmosphere in China where the bulbs are apparently all made. Additionally, if one breaks in your home, it can cost up to $2300 to actually clean the place up due to the mercury, this was also I think pointed out on NPR or perhaps another network. I can imagine that once the bulbs are more commonplace that a real estate sale might just include testing for mercury and cleanup of any possible contamination prior to sale. Overall, I see it as a no win situation, and plan to stock up on incandescents. F**K you, Al Gore, you mentally ill idiot. Oh well, the Preakness is about to run. Hopefully my horse Curlin will have a better showing. Unofficial result: My horse Curlin WINS! |
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When my buddy got out of active duty,U.S.Navy (U.S.S.Ticonderoga) back
in the 1960's,he worked for a couple of years in the maintnace department at the G.E.lamp plant that used to be on Highway 80 here in Jackson.The old building is still there,but some small businesses use that building nowadays.I would be over at his home visiting him and his family and sometimes some other friends would be over there.Whenever he talked about working at the old G.E.plant,the stories he told were usually about some funny humorous things that happened,things about bulbs exploding and the mercury machines.Then he went to work delivering the U.S.Mail for the U.S.P.O.More funny humoros stories. cuhulin |
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Good on yer,Curlin! With a name almost sort of kind of similar like
cuhulin,how can you lose? Why do some people equate Incandescent Light Bulbs to Coal? America gets most of it's electricity for the grid from coal and nuclear and hydro plants.If you are using flourescent light bulbs,how do you whether or not coal is producing the electricity for those flourescent light bulbs? No urban legen here,,,, I am staying with G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs for as long as possible. cuhulin,the Winner |
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On May 18, 9:50 pm, wrote:
www.newswithviews.com I don't like fluorescent light bulbs.From now on when I go to the food store,I am going to start stocking up on good old G.E.Real Incandescent Light Bulbs,the 60 Watters.I am going to clean off the top shelves in the closets in my house and stack em up in cardboard boxes.When fed govt starts shoving fluorescent light bulbs (so-called light bulbs) down everybodys throats,I will still be wasteing my electricity that I pay for on my good old G.E.Real Incandscent 60 WATT LIGHT BULBS. cuhulin,the Electricity Waster dude.Waste Mo Electricity,you can't take it with you We have replaced most of our lightbulbs with CFLs. Only those few bulbs controlled by a dimmer switch are still incandescents. New Jersey had a program a couple of years back encouraging people to switch to CFLs by offering them for $1.00 apiece, the rest being subsidized by the state. I took advantage of that offer and bought over 12 DOZEN of them, mostly the 15 Watt (60 Watt equivalent) CFLs but also some 7 Watt (30 Watt equivalent) and 11 Watt (40 Watt equivalent). The 7 and 11 Watt bulbs are enclosed so one does not see the "twist." They are good in powder rooms. All that said, I believe the future will NOT be CFLs. I would recommend that young people here try a few to see if they like them, but do not stock up on them. The reason I say this is because I believe the future will be LED bulbs. These are far more efficient than even the best CFLS and the LEDs will last from 4 to 10 times as long, maybe even longer. Once the price comes down to a reasonable level, I would see no reason for LEDs NOT to become the lighting standard. (I'm older so I do not know if LEDs will become practical in my lifetime.) Have you tried any of the LED flashlights? I bought several from AES. They sell a model for $9.99 that is machined from aluminum and runs on 3 AAA batteries: "HOUSE OF DEALS 9LED/3AAAFLSLT*" see this listed at: http://search.cartserver.com/search/....y=11&go=GO%21 It's the third item down. I have to tell you this thing is BRIGHT! AND it's made as well as any MagLight I own. These will give you something of an idea as to what can be done with LEDs. If this can be accomplished with flashlights, I can't wait until they achieve this level of lighting quality with home LED light bulbs. (I've even seen some LED flashlights in the "Dollar Tree" store. They have only 3 LEDs and are not as bright or as well made as the AES models, but for only a dollar ... ) And, yes, I know all these LED flashlights are, in fact, made in China. Pity. Best, Joe |
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RHF ) writes:
If it's off-topic, then don't respond. ANd at the very least, get with the program so it doesn't look like you are spawning all these off-topic posts. If you really feel you have to change the subject header, you should be making it clear that you are doing so. So you'd be doing something like New Topic was: old topic But it would be a far better newsgroup if you just ignored the off-topic posts, MIchael |
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"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message oups.com... Have you tried any of the LED flashlights? I bought several from AES. They sell a model for $9.99 that is machined from aluminum and runs on 3 AAA batteries: "HOUSE OF DEALS 9LED/3AAAFLSLT*" see this listed at: http://search.cartserver.com/search/....y=11&go=GO%21 It's the third item down. I have to tell you this thing is BRIGHT! AND it's made as well as any MagLight I own. These will give you something of an idea as to what can be done with LEDs. If this can be accomplished with flashlights, I can't wait until they achieve this level of lighting quality with home LED light bulbs. (I've even seen some LED flashlights in the "Dollar Tree" store. They have only 3 LEDs and are not as bright or as well made as the AES models, but for only a dollar ... ) I used to think the multi-LED flashlights were bright (and, indeed, compared to a small incandescent flashlight, they are... but much more difuse). The ones that are REALLY bright are the LuxeonŽ type LED lights. These are the ones most likely to eventually make it into meaningful home lighting. I have some 32 LED lamps that I use in various places. They are about the same brightness level as the little 7 1/2 watt sign bulbs (but of course use less than one watt). The Luxeon is many times brighter, and with just a single light source. These are quite a bit more expensive for the higher power ones, but the 1 watt and 3 watt versions are coming down in price rapidly. Not mine: http://cgi.ebay.com/5-WATT-LUXEON-LE...mZ200111569581 |
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Gallium arsenide (a derivitive of Aluminum,if you are in
England,Aluminium) is in LED lights. www.webelements.com Gallium cuhulin |
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You ever saw them old comic books before and them big wide spotlights
from them old flashlights? I own two old,old,old (and many more old,old,old flashlights too.Some of them are very collectible. www.devilfinder.com Flashlight Museum) flashlights like that.The lenses on them are like a magnafying lense with a flat side on the bottom.They cast a pure wide light. cuhulin |
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"David" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 May 2007 17:28:32 -0400, dxAce wrote: Additionally, if one breaks in your home, it can cost up to $2300 to actually clean the place up due to the mercury, this was also I think pointed out on NPR or perhaps another network. I can imagine that once the bulbs are more commonplace that a real estate sale might just include testing for mercury and cleanup of any possible contamination prior to sale. Overall, I see it as a no win situation, and plan to stock up on incandescents. Urban legend, Sparkie. http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/cfl.asp It's only urban legend if you want to believe it is... Area school had a spill, only trace amounts were found (about as much as is in a large florescent bulb), yet they still were required to have a HazMat team come in and clean it up, go figure... http://www.woodtv.com/global/story.asp?s=5508360 |
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Over the many,many years,I have accidently dropped and broken a few
incandescent light bulbs before. (heck,who hasen't?) But,I never worried about it.I simply sweeped up the broken pieces and put them in a garbage bag for the garbage truck to pick up.Otherwise,what was I supposed to do? If I ever accidently drop and break another one,I will do same same.Hark! call the Knacker! call hazmat! cuhulin |
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Het,,, I use long flourescent light bulbs in my shop/shed in my back
yard.I have accidently dropped and broke a few of them too. cuhulin,the Hazzard |
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Don't y'all just love it when y'all accidently drop and bust a light
bulb? POP! Do y'all know the true story of that auld Pop Goes the Weasel song thingy? I know.Do you? cuhulin |
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"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message oups.com... Have you tried any of the LED flashlights? I bought several from AES. They sell a model for $9.99 that is machined from aluminum and runs on 3 AAA batteries: "HOUSE OF DEALS 9LED/3AAAFLSLT*" see this listed at: http://search.cartserver.com/search/....y=11&go=GO%21 It's the third item down. I have to tell you this thing is BRIGHT! AND it's made as well as any MagLight I own. These will give you something of an idea as to what can be done with LEDs. If this can be accomplished with flashlights, I can't wait until they achieve this level of lighting quality with home LED light bulbs. (I've even seen some LED flashlights in the "Dollar Tree" store. They have only 3 LEDs and are not as bright or as well made as the AES models, but for only a dollar ... ) And, yes, I know all these LED flashlights are, in fact, made in China. Pity. I used to think the multi-LED flashlights were bright (and, indeed, compared to a small incandescent flashlight, they are... but much more difuse). The ones that are REALLY bright are the LuxeonŽ type LED lights. These are the ones most likely to eventually make it into meaningful home lighting. I have some 32 LED lamps that I use in various places. They are about the same brightness level as the little 7 1/2 watt sign bulbs (but of course use less than one watt). The Luxeon is many times brighter, and with just a single light source. These are quite a bit more expensive for the higher power ones, but the 1 watt and 3 watt versions are coming down in price rapidly. Not mine: http://cgi.ebay.com/5-WATT-LUXEON-LE...mZ200111569581 |
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On May 20, 3:14 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message oups.com... Have you tried any of the LED flashlights? I bought several from AES. They sell a model for $9.99 that is machined from aluminum and runs on 3 AAA batteries: "HOUSE OF DEALS 9LED/3AAAFLSLT*" see this listed at: http://search.cartserver.com/search/...&cartid=a-6994... It's the third item down. I have to tell you this thing is BRIGHT! AND it's made as well as any MagLight I own. These will give you something of an idea as to what can be done with LEDs. If this can be accomplished with flashlights, I can't wait until they achieve this level of lighting quality with home LED light bulbs. (I've even seen some LED flashlights in the "Dollar Tree" store. They have only 3 LEDs and are not as bright or as well made as the AES models, but for only a dollar ... ) I used to think the multi-LED flashlights were bright (and, indeed, compared to a small incandescent flashlight, they are... but much more difuse). The ones that are REALLY bright are the LuxeonŽ type LED lights. These are the ones most likely to eventually make it into meaningful home lighting. I have some 32 LED lamps that I use in various places. They are about the same brightness level as the little 7 1/2 watt sign bulbs (but of course use less than one watt). The Luxeon is many times brighter, and with just a single light source. These are quite a bit more expensive for the higher power ones, but the 1 watt and 3 watt versions are coming down in price rapidly. Not mine:http://cgi.ebay.com/5-WATT-LUXEON-LE..._W0QQitemZ...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree with Joe and Brenda about LEDs, and I cannot believe that the powers that be have not jumped onto the bandwagon with these things. Their potential is enormous. They are fairly cheap, last nearly forever (maybe that's why?) and use a shred of the energy used by any other viable light source. Bruce Jensen |
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bpnjensen wrote:
On May 20, 3:14 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote: "Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message oups.com... Have you tried any of the LED flashlights? I bought several from AES. They sell a model for $9.99 that is machined from aluminum and runs on 3 AAA batteries: "HOUSE OF DEALS 9LED/3AAAFLSLT*" see this listed at: http://search.cartserver.com/search/...&cartid=a-6994... It's the third item down. I have to tell you this thing is BRIGHT! AND it's made as well as any MagLight I own. These will give you something of an idea as to what can be done with LEDs. If this can be accomplished with flashlights, I can't wait until they achieve this level of lighting quality with home LED light bulbs. (I've even seen some LED flashlights in the "Dollar Tree" store. They have only 3 LEDs and are not as bright or as well made as the AES models, but for only a dollar ... ) I used to think the multi-LED flashlights were bright (and, indeed, compared to a small incandescent flashlight, they are... but much more difuse). The ones that are REALLY bright are the LuxeonŽ type LED lights. These are the ones most likely to eventually make it into meaningful home lighting. I have some 32 LED lamps that I use in various places. They are about the same brightness level as the little 7 1/2 watt sign bulbs (but of course use less than one watt). The Luxeon is many times brighter, and with just a single light source. These are quite a bit more expensive for the higher power ones, but the 1 watt and 3 watt versions are coming down in price rapidly. Not mine:http://cgi.ebay.com/5-WATT-LUXEON-LE..._W0QQitemZ...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree with Joe and Brenda about LEDs, and I cannot believe that the powers that be have not jumped onto the bandwagon with these things. Their potential is enormous. They are fairly cheap, last nearly forever (maybe that's why?) and use a shred of the energy used by any other viable light source. Bruce Jensen Actually, they are, in a way, getting in on the LED wagon. Here in The Windy, as well as in a good number of venues I've visited in Wisconsin, the traffic lights have been changed from incandescent, to LED arrays. They're very harsh to look at without the original color filters used with the incandescents because the colors are pure, and the viewing angle is narrow...putting the output of nearly 100 high output LED's into a narrow beam. Small matter. Slap the filter over the LED's and you've got a mellower color output with no diminution in brightness. ] They'll last. Lower maintenance costs. Total energy for the traffic system is reduced, but not by as much as you might think. But they depending on installation and operating parameters, produce a hellaceous amount of RF noise. The LED arrays in my area cast RFI shadows as far inland as my house. It can be overcome. Whether it will is a matter of some debate. LED's are particularly well suited for this application because the color purity is high, and consistent. Most applications for white LED's have limited applicable product due to the generally more blue nature of white LED light. LED's are also finding their way into the marker, tail and brake lights of many models of car. With varying results depending on the purity of the voltage applied. Also easily overcome. And manufacturers are motivated. All of the flashlights in my house, my flight bag, tool and remote kits, and vehicle glove boxes are multi LED models. Varying color temperature makes some better than others. There are some track lighting systems that are retrofittable to LED projectors. For more than $40 a pop. With dramatic long term savings. Casual lighting, like table lamps are still not practical for LED lighting, and the color temperatures of many white LED's are still too blue to be practical for most applications. But there is a lot of development going on. With progress in color and lumen output being made at a good rate. Nearly every wholesaler of light bulbs for general lighting, now, offers some LED product for home and business lighting applications. |
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I own three hand held LED lights.
cuhulin |
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On May 21, 2:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
bpnjensen wrote: I agree with Joe and Brenda about LEDs, and I cannot believe that the powers that be have not jumped onto the bandwagon with these things. Their potential is enormous. They are fairly cheap, last nearly forever (maybe that's why?) and use a shred of the energy used by any other viable light source. Bruce Jensen Actually, they are, in a way, getting in on the LED wagon. Here in The Windy, as well as in a good number of venues I've visited in Wisconsin, the traffic lights have been changed from incandescent, to LED arrays. They're very harsh to look at without the original color filters used with the incandescents because the colors are pure, and the viewing angle is narrow...putting the output of nearly 100 high output LED's into a narrow beam. Small matter. Slap the filter over the LED's and you've got a mellower color output with no diminution in brightness. ] Good to hear. They'll last. Lower maintenance costs. Total energy for the traffic system is reduced, but not by as much as you might think. How so? But they depending on installation and operating parameters, produce a hellaceous amount of RF noise. The LED arrays in my area cast RFI shadows as far inland as my house. That stinks - would this be true of ousehold LEDs too? Probably... It can be overcome. Whether it will is a matter of some debate. LED's are particularly well suited for this application because the color purity is high, and consistent. Most applications for white LED's have limited applicable product due to the generally more blue nature of white LED light. LED's are also finding their way into the marker, tail and brake lights of many models of car. With varying results depending on the purity of the voltage applied. Also easily overcome. And manufacturers are motivated. I almost think my headlights are LEDs - they are very blue, and won't run down the battery. All of the flashlights in my house, my flight bag, tool and remote kits, and vehicle glove boxes are multi LED models. Varying color temperature makes some better than others. The red ones are killer for astronomy at night, and can be varied in brightness to suit. There are some track lighting systems that are retrofittable to LED projectors. For more than $40 a pop. With dramatic long term savings. Casual lighting, like table lamps are still not practical for LED lighting, and the color temperatures of many white LED's are still too blue to be practical for most applications. Could filters solve this problem? But there is a lot of development going on. With progress in color and lumen output being made at a good rate. Nearly every wholesaler of light bulbs for general lighting, now, offers some LED product for home and business lighting applications. Excellent news - thanks. BJ |
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bpnjensen wrote:
On May 21, 2:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote: bpnjensen wrote: I agree with Joe and Brenda about LEDs, and I cannot believe that the powers that be have not jumped onto the bandwagon with these things. Their potential is enormous. They are fairly cheap, last nearly forever (maybe that's why?) and use a shred of the energy used by any other viable light source. Bruce Jensen Actually, they are, in a way, getting in on the LED wagon. Here in The Windy, as well as in a good number of venues I've visited in Wisconsin, the traffic lights have been changed from incandescent, to LED arrays. They're very harsh to look at without the original color filters used with the incandescents because the colors are pure, and the viewing angle is narrow...putting the output of nearly 100 high output LED's into a narrow beam. Small matter. Slap the filter over the LED's and you've got a mellower color output with no diminution in brightness. ] Good to hear. They'll last. Lower maintenance costs. Total energy for the traffic system is reduced, but not by as much as you might think. How so? You've got 100 elements putting out as much light as a single incandescent. One two, or ten superbright LED's will save you a lot of energy. 100...not so much. But still, there's less heating, there IS an energy saving, and there's far less maintenance involved. That, alone, is worth the investment. Hell, it's the reason I've pulled all the incandescents out of my stereo hardware and dropped in LED's. Someunits, like my Mac C-26 look different, because of the face was created for incandescent light, with it's higher red output, to provide both the green filters and the red with output using the same bulbs...but it's a small difference. Units using incandescents for the warmth of the parchment look on meters don't do as well with LED's, but as manufacturers warm up the output on their devices, that will change. Most units, however, like my McKay Dymek AM-5 with, what 8 lamps...when converted to LED's (and drop-in replacements, at that) Look pretty nice. No more burning of plastic diffusers. No more opening the damned things up ever few months to replace incandescents. But they depending on installation and operating parameters, produce a hellaceous amount of RF noise. The LED arrays in my area cast RFI shadows as far inland as my house. That stinks - would this be true of ousehold LEDs too? Probably... Depends on the power source. I've noticed it more on AC/DC LED drop-ins than DC LED's alone. But even that can be abated with a bit of capacitance across the junction, and across the diodes of the power source. It can be overcome. Whether it will is a matter of some debate. LED's are particularly well suited for this application because the color purity is high, and consistent. Most applications for white LED's have limited applicable product due to the generally more blue nature of white LED light. LED's are also finding their way into the marker, tail and brake lights of many models of car. With varying results depending on the purity of the voltage applied. Also easily overcome. And manufacturers are motivated. I almost think my headlights are LEDs - they are very blue, and won't run down the battery. Not likely. At least not at this stage. There simply isn't enough lumen output in LED technology, yet. Likely, they're discharge lamps. Higher efficiency, and bluer than incandescents. All of the flashlights in my house, my flight bag, tool and remote kits, and vehicle glove boxes are multi LED models. Varying color temperature makes some better than others. The red ones are killer for astronomy at night, and can be varied in brightness to suit. And they're finding their way into maplights on aircraft for that reason. There are some track lighting systems that are retrofittable to LED projectors. For more than $40 a pop. With dramatic long term savings. Casual lighting, like table lamps are still not practical for LED lighting, and the color temperatures of many white LED's are still too blue to be practical for most applications. Could filters solve this problem? Not without considerable loss in output. A filter can only subtract from the input. Low red output is problem. A filter can only decrease the higher frequencies to bring the red back into balance. With as little red as there is in the output of a white LED, a you'd be defeating your own purpose by attempting to correct color balance with filtration. But, again, manufacturers are working on this. The last shipment of LED flashlights I got were a lot warmer than the previous, so it's not like it can't happen, in time. This is still new technology for general application. A little patience, and there will be some serious improvements in the pipeline. Nearly every wholesaler of light bulbs for general lighting, now, offers some LED product for home and business lighting applications. Excellent news - thanks. I check about once a month for new purveyors of LED drop-ins. More every time. SuperbrightLEDs.com is a good source for some types. Digi-key is carrying more LED products for general use. Do a general websearch. Be amazed. It IS, indeed, excellent news. |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... You've got 100 elements putting out as much light as a single incandescent. One two, or ten superbright LED's will save you a lot of energy. 100...not so much. But still, there's less heating, there IS an energy saving, and there's far less maintenance involved. That, alone, is worth the investment. 32 ultra bright LED lamps in a single bulb draw about a watt, perhaps 1 1/4 watts. I suspect the traffic lights may draw as much as 5 watts with the number of lamps therein. These are replacing standard 67 1/2 watt incandescents normally used in traffic lights. |
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Brenda Ann wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... You've got 100 elements putting out as much light as a single incandescent. One two, or ten superbright LED's will save you a lot of energy. 100...not so much. But still, there's less heating, there IS an energy saving, and there's far less maintenance involved. That, alone, is worth the investment. 32 ultra bright LED lamps in a single bulb draw about a watt, perhaps 1 1/4 watts. I suspect the traffic lights may draw as much as 5 watts with the number of lamps therein. These are replacing standard 67 1/2 watt incandescents normally used in traffic lights. Figures I've seen for the arrays put them at just under 40 watts in service. That would be the extreme LED's built for commercial purposes. About 100 of them in the array. As a point source, each one will knock you back a step. In an array within 6 feet they'll leave you glare blind. |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
I'm hoping we'll have LED bulbs which can replace the RF-polluting compact
fluorescent bulbs. I bought a few bulbs from C. Crane but they are only good as reading lamps or a closet bulb. Sincerely, Bruce Atchison - author of When a Man Loves a Rabbit (Learning and Living With Bunnies). http://www.bookadz.com/batchison.htm http://www.bookstream.biz/cgi-bin/bo...s&store_id=102 -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
D Peter Maus wrote:
Actually, they are, in a way, getting in on the LED wagon. Here in The Windy, as well as in a good number of venues I've visited in Wisconsin, the traffic lights have been changed from incandescent, to LED arrays. They're very harsh to look at without the original color filters used with the incandescents because the colors are pure, and the viewing angle is narrow...putting the output of nearly 100 high output LED's into a narrow beam. Small matter. Slap the filter over the LED's and you've got a mellower color output with no diminution in brightness. ] They'll last. Lower maintenance costs. Total energy for the traffic system is reduced, but not by as much as you might think. But they depending on installation and operating parameters, produce a hellaceous amount of RF noise. The LED arrays in my area cast RFI shadows as far inland as my house. It can be overcome. Whether it will is a matter of some debate. LED's are particularly well suited for this application because the color purity is high, and consistent. Most applications for white LED's have limited applicable product due to the generally more blue nature of white LED light. LED's are also finding their way into the marker, tail and brake lights of many models of car. With varying results depending on the purity of the voltage applied. Also easily overcome. And manufacturers are motivated. All of the flashlights in my house, my flight bag, tool and remote kits, and vehicle glove boxes are multi LED models. Varying color temperature makes some better than others. There are some track lighting systems that are retrofittable to LED projectors. For more than $40 a pop. With dramatic long term savings. Casual lighting, like table lamps are still not practical for LED lighting, and the color temperatures of many white LED's are still too blue to be practical for most applications. But there is a lot of development going on. With progress in color and lumen output being made at a good rate. Nearly every wholesaler of light bulbs for general lighting, now, offers some LED product for home and business lighting applications. I'm thinking electroluminescent lights may end up taking over for home lighting, though it'll look different from what we're used to. http://www.electronicproducts.com/Sh...5.jul2007.html But for now, it's still a little expensive. A problem with LEDs is they project light on a relatively narrow beam. A normal light bulb is omni-directional. One way of dealing with the color balance of LEDs is you can mix in some red ones with the white ones, but again, the narrow beam from an LED makes it tougher to get even light with even color balance. I've done some LED lighting at my observatory, and at home. At the observatory, we put a recessed red LED every 4" in the molding for the dome trim ring so they tend to light the walls and floor. We also made an LED lectern light for star charts. At home, I've got white ones that illuminate a stairwell, and I've got some mounted on the top of a beam that are aimed at the cathedral ceiling in my kitchen for background lighting. I use regulated DC power supplies so they can dim quietly, though with my antenna a couple hundred feet away, I doubt it would matter. |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
There are a lot of them new fangled LED traffic lights around here
too.How do I tell which traffic lights have them spy cameras up there? cuhulin |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
I think some of those LED traffic lights have fresnell (spelling) lenses
on them. cuhulin |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
On May 22, 8:27 am, "Mark S. Holden" wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: Actually, they are, in a way, getting in on the LED wagon. Here in The Windy, as well as in a good number of venues I've visited in Wisconsin, the traffic lights have been changed from incandescent, to LED arrays. They're very harsh to look at without the original color filters used with the incandescents because the colors are pure, and the viewing angle is narrow...putting the output of nearly 100 high output LED's into a narrow beam. Small matter. Slap the filter over the LED's and you've got a mellower color output with no diminution in brightness. ] They'll last. Lower maintenance costs. Total energy for the traffic system is reduced, but not by as much as you might think. But they depending on installation and operating parameters, produce a hellaceous amount of RF noise. The LED arrays in my area cast RFI shadows as far inland as my house. It can be overcome. Whether it will is a matter of some debate. LED's are particularly well suited for this application because the color purity is high, and consistent. Most applications for white LED's have limited applicable product due to the generally more blue nature of white LED light. LED's are also finding their way into the marker, tail and brake lights of many models of car. With varying results depending on the purity of the voltage applied. Also easily overcome. And manufacturers are motivated. All of the flashlights in my house, my flight bag, tool and remote kits, and vehicle glove boxes are multi LED models. Varying color temperature makes some better than others. There are some track lighting systems that are retrofittable to LED projectors. For more than $40 a pop. With dramatic long term savings. Casual lighting, like table lamps are still not practical for LED lighting, and the color temperatures of many white LED's are still too blue to be practical for most applications. But there is a lot of development going on. With progress in color and lumen output being made at a good rate. Nearly every wholesaler of light bulbs for general lighting, now, offers some LED product for home and business lighting applications. I'm thinking electroluminescent lights may end up taking over for home lighting, though it'll look different from what we're used to. http://www.electronicproducts.com/Sh...=hlap05.jul200... But for now, it's still a little expensive. A problem with LEDs is they project light on a relatively narrow beam. A normal light bulb is omni-directional. One way of dealing with the color balance of LEDs is you can mix in some red ones with the white ones, but again, the narrow beam from an LED makes it tougher to get even light with even color balance. I've done some LED lighting at my observatory, and at home. At the observatory, we put a recessed red LED every 4" in the molding for the dome trim ring so they tend to light the walls and floor. We also made an LED lectern light for star charts. At home, I've got white ones that illuminate a stairwell, and I've got some mounted on the top of a beam that are aimed at the cathedral ceiling in my kitchen for background lighting. I use regulated DC power supplies so they can dim quietly, though with my antenna a couple hundred feet away, I doubt it would matter.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - LED Christmas Lights - They Last Forever + Plus the LEDs use very little Power so you can put-up as many as you want without causing a Power problem. Makes your whole House shine and glow like a Constellation. ~ RHF |
(OT) : I Have Seen the Light of The Future -and- It Is an LED !
On May 22, 8:42 am, wrote:
I think some of those LED traffic lights have fresnell (spelling) lenses on them. cuhulin Cuhulin, A Fresnel Lens is really not needed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_lens with a well designed "Array" of LED Lights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led The individual LED Lights can be positioned and configured to produce the same effect with out the expense of a Fresnel Lens. Flat - Concave - Convex Center-Weighted -or- Edge-Enhanced LEDs -another- Super Bright Idea ! http://www.superbrightleds.com/ i have seen the light of the future -and- it is an led ! - luxeon be it's name . . . ~ RHF http://www.luxeonstar.com/ |
(OT) : I Have Seen the Light of The Future -and- It Is an LED !
On May 22, 8:42 am, wrote:
I think some of those LED traffic lights have fresnell (spelling) lenses on them. cuhulin Cuhulin, A Fresnel Lens is really not needed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_lens with a well designed "Array" of LED Lights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led The individual LED Lights can be positioned and configured to produce the same effect with out the expense of a Fresnel Lens. Flat - Concave - Convex Center-Weighted -or- Edge-Enhanced LEDs -another- Super Bright Idea ! http://www.superbrightleds.com/ i have seen the light of the future -and- it is an led ! - luxeon be it's name . . . ~ RHF http://www.luxeonstar.com/ |
(OT) Fluorescent Light Bulb Warning.
On May 21, 4:50 pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On May 20, 3:14 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote: "Joe Analssandrini" wrote in message roups.com... Have you tried any of the LED flashlights? I bought several from AES. They sell a model for $9.99 that is machined from aluminum and runs on 3 AAA batteries: "HOUSE OF DEALS 9LED/3AAAFLSLT*" see this listed at: http://search.cartserver.com/search/...&cartid=a-6994... It's the third item down. I have to tell you this thing is BRIGHT! AND it's made as well as any MagLight I own. These will give you something of an idea as to what can be done with LEDs. If this can be accomplished with flashlights, I can't wait until they achieve this level of lighting quality with home LED light bulbs. (I've even seen some LED flashlights in the "Dollar Tree" store. They have only 3 LEDs and are not as bright or as well made as the AES models, but for only a dollar ... ) I used to think the multi-LED flashlights were bright (and, indeed, compared to a small incandescent flashlight, they are... but much more difuse). The ones that are REALLY bright are the LuxeonŽ type LED lights. These are the ones most likely to eventually make it into meaningful home lighting. I have some 32 LED lamps that I use in various places. They are about the same brightness level as the little 7 1/2 watt sign bulbs (but of course use less than one watt). The Luxeon is many times brighter, and with just a single light source. These are quite a bit more expensive for the higher power ones, but the 1 watt and 3 watt versions are coming down in price rapidly. Not mine:http://cgi.ebay.com/5-WATT-LUXEON-LE...QQitemZ...Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree with Joe and Brenda about LEDs, and I cannot believe that the powers that be have not jumped onto the bandwagon with these things. Their potential is enormous. They are fairly cheap, last nearly forever (maybe that's why?) and use a shred of the energy used by any other viable light source. Bruce Jensen Dear Bruce (any everyone else here), Within the last two months General Electric and Konica Minolta have signed a strategic alliance agreement to develop and commercialize Organic-Light-Emitting-Diode (OLED) devices for home and industrial lighting applications. It is their intent to have these devices on the market within three years! OLEDs can be fabricated in sheet form which is flexible (imagine THAT!), thin, and lightweight. This form of lighting may eventually be incorporated into walls or ceilings, eliminating the need for separate light fixtures (table lamps, and so forth). Color temperature can be anything desired! They've got it NOW; they must develop inexpensive manufacturing techniques for it to become commercially viable. Obviously those two companies are quite confident in their ability to do so. And of course the OLED's energy usage is but a small fraction of what is used in todays bulbs. Best, Joe |
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