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OT: Crystal Ball [was FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC]
On Jun 10, 3:59 pm, Tommy Tootles wrote:
on June 7 American Insurgent wrote: You can only pile so much on people before they snap. An unpopular war in Iraq and an upcoming war with a very well armed Iran, the gutting of the job base, the flood of America hating illegals, the constant abuse by corporations, the wealth piling higher in the mansions of billionaires while half of America goes without health care, Hmmm, he said "wealth piling higher in the mansions of billionaires". On June 10, the Associated Press wrote an article titled "CEO compensation flies through the roof". It says "Compensation for America's top CEOs has skyrocketed into the stratospheric heights of pro athletes and movie stars: Half make more than $8.3 million a year and some make much, much more..." American Insurgent, it looks like your crystal ball was working perfectly! TT - It Don't Take a Crystal Ball - - - It Takes Good Public {Corporate} Policy [.] 1 - Corporate Wages : Take the Bottom 60% of the Workers and subtrack the lowest 10% from them. - - - This is the Group of Workers who make-up the Average Hourly Employee in you Company or Business. Calculate the Average Annual Salary for that 50%. - - - This is the Compensation Level for Average Hourly Employee in you Company or Business. Multiply that Average Annual Salary by 25 - - - This is the "Fixed" Compensation Level for the CEO in you Company or Business. All 'other' Executive Salaries are Adjusted accordingly bottom-to-top. 2 - Corporate Bonuses and 'other' Compensation : Cash and Stock Option Bonuses for Corporate Perfromance. Executive Compensation {Top 10%} = 20% of Funds - - - CEO's Bonus limited to 25 Times the Average Hourly Workers Bonus. Management Compensation = 20% of Funds Average Hourly Employee Compensation = 50% of Funds - - - Paid out in 12-Monthly Installments Lowest Workers Compensation {Bottom 10%} = 10% of Funds - - - Paid out in 12-Monthly Installments 3 - Executive + Management + Average Hourly Workers Salary and Bonuses should be "Linked"* * All Should Benefit from Good Corporate Perfromance. yes it is that simple ~ RHF |
OT: Crystal Ball [was FCC releases rule allowing night AMI...
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AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 3, 7:00 am, David wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:27:30 -0700, wrote: On Jun 1, 5:43 am, David wrote: Say goodbye to MWDX. All 74 pages are available right he http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc I can hearIBOCcrap on the analog signal. It's very low level, but you can clearly tell when a local station is using the hash generator. Also, the bandwidth goes to ****. The analog signal whenIBOCis running is just barely better than a phone line. If your receiver IF/Mixer isn't completely flat you'll hear theIBOC. The digital sidebands are out of phase with each other and the system relies on them cancelling out in your receiver. You can't use a synch detector on anIBOCstation, unless you can listen to both sides at once. FWIW, AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . . Between 11 PM and 12:30 AM {this is local time} in Twain Harte, CA north of Yosemite NP. Dialed up and down the Radio and 'detected' about Nineteen (19) IBOC Signals on the AM/MW Band. Could not get a Lock-On any but they were there. Nightime IBOC is a Fact of AM/MW Radio Listening. KOAC 550 kHz - Corvallis, OR - Oregon Public Radio http://www.ntia.doc.gov/PTFP/coverage/or.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOAC http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=50587 KOAC was Broadcasting the BBC-WS http://www.opb.org/radio/grid.php?c=am 580 kHz - KMJ ? 600 kHz - KOGO ? 640 kHz - KFI ? 680 kHz - KNBR ? 740 kHz - KCBS ? 770 kHz - KCBC ? 780 kHz - KKOH ? 810 kHz - KGO ? 980 kHz - KDVB ? 1020 kHz - KTNQ ? 1110 kHz - KDIS ? 1130 kHz - KRDU ? 1320 kHz - KCTC ? 1360 kHz - KLSD ? 1450 kHz - KVML ? 1510 kHz - KIRV ? 1530 kHz - KFBK ? 1560 kHz - KNZR ? The reason for the "?" Mark is that the Frequency and Station is not in Question but the IBOC "Digital" Signal may possibily be coming from another Radio Station on that Channel due to Late-Night-Skip. The Blue "Digital" Light Blinked On-and-Off several times but did not Lock-On and switch-over-to a Digial Signal. FM Radio had several Solid Blue Lights. NOTE - These Radio Stations were heard using the Factory Supplied 3.5" x 4.5" Loop Antenna with just Six Turns (6-T) of Wire on it. The HD-Radio used was the Radiosophy "HD100" Radio http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...367ba87e469adc http://groups.google.com/group/hd-ra...7fda9f492193dc good or bad iboc is here - if you can hear it ~ RHF |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
"RHF" wrote in message ups.com... Dialed up and down the Radio and 'detected' about Nineteen (19) IBOC Signals on the AM/MW Band. Strange, as night operation is not yet authorized. KOA is not in HD, as long as it is using the temporary antenna and low power. Could not get a Lock-On any but they were there. Nightime IBOC is a Fact of AM/MW Radio Listening. KOAC 550 kHz - Corvallis, OR - Oregon Public Radio http://www.ntia.doc.gov/PTFP/coverage/or.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOAC http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=50587 KOAC was Broadcasting the BBC-WS http://www.opb.org/radio/grid.php?c=am 580 kHz - KMJ ? 600 kHz - KOGO ? 640 kHz - KFI ? 680 kHz - KNBR ? 740 kHz - KCBS ? 770 kHz - KCBC ? 780 kHz - KKOH ? 810 kHz - KGO ? 980 kHz - KDVB ? 1020 kHz - KTNQ ? 1110 kHz - KDIS ? 1130 kHz - KRDU ? 1320 kHz - KCTC ? 1360 kHz - KLSD ? 1450 kHz - KVML ? 1510 kHz - KIRV ? 1530 kHz - KFBK ? 1560 kHz - KNZR ? The reason for the "?" Mark is that the Frequency and Station is not in Question but the IBOC "Digital" Signal may possibily be coming from another Radio Station on that Channel due to Late-Night-Skip. The Blue "Digital" Light Blinked On-and-Off several times but did not Lock-On and switch-over-to a Digial Signal. FM Radio had several Solid Blue Lights. NOTE - These Radio Stations were heard using the Factory Supplied 3.5" x 4.5" Loop Antenna with just Six Turns (6-T) of Wire on it. The HD-Radio used was the Radiosophy "HD100" Radio http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...367ba87e469adc http://groups.google.com/group/hd-ra...7fda9f492193dc good or bad iboc is here - if you can hear it ~ RHF . . . . |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
"RHF" wrote in message ups.com... DE - That was "KOAC" 550 kHz - in Corvallis, OR - which is part of the Oregon Public Radio System. DE - I am simply reporting on what I 'observed' last night on the Radio. Night HD is still not authorized. The FCC approved, but we are waiting for the publication in the Federal register for the FCC to give the go-ahead. KFI, for example, has not had HD on since their tower fell over 2 and a half years ago. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 19, 10:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message ups.com... DE - That was "KOAC" 550 kHz - in Corvallis, OR - which is part of the Oregon Public Radio System. DE - I am simply reporting on what I 'observed' last night on the Radio. Night HD is still not authorized. The FCC approved, but we are waiting for the publication in the Federal register for the FCC to give the go-ahead. KFI, for example, has not had HD on since their tower fell over 2 and a half years ago. DE, I am only reporting on what the Blinking Blue Light on the Radiosophy "HD100" Radio is telling me. digital, Digital. DIGITAL ! - Is In The House ~ RHF |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 20, 2:16 am, RHF wrote:
On Jun 19, 10:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message oups.com... DE - That was "KOAC" 550 kHz - in Corvallis, OR - which is part of the Oregon Public Radio System. DE - I am simply reporting on what I 'observed' last night on the Radio. Night HD is still not authorized. The FCC approved, but we are waiting for the publication in the Federal register for the FCC to give the go-ahead. KFI, for example, has not had HD on since their tower fell over 2 and a half years ago. DE, I am only reporting on what the Blinking Blue Light on the Radiosophy "HD100" Radio is telling me. digital, Digital. DIGITAL ! - Is In The House ~ RHF . . . . That blinking blue light means you are out-of-luck, a dumb-ass for buying an HD radio, and supporting the destuction of the AM broadcast band ! |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 19, 5:12 am, RHF wrote:
On Jun 3, 7:00 am, David wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:27:30 -0700, wrote: On Jun 1, 5:43 am, David wrote: Say goodbye to MWDX. All 74 pages are available right he http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc I can hearIBOCcrap on the analog signal. It's very low level, but you can clearly tell when a local station is using the hash generator. Also, the bandwidth goes to ****. The analog signal whenIBOCis running is just barely better than a phone line. If your receiver IF/Mixer isn't completely flat you'll hear theIBOC. The digital sidebands are out of phase with each other and the system relies on them cancelling out in your receiver. You can't use a synch detector on anIBOCstation, unless you can listen to both sides at once. FWIW, AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . . Between 11 PM and 12:30 AM {this is local time} in Twain Harte, CA north of Yosemite NP. Dialed up and down the Radio and 'detected' about Nineteen (19) IBOC Signals on the AM/MW Band. Could not get a Lock-On any but they were there. Nightime IBOC is a Fact of AM/MW Radio Listening. KOAC 550 kHz - Corvallis, OR - Oregon Public Radiohttp://www.ntia.doc.gov/PTFP/coverage/or.htmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOAChttp://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=50587 KOAC was Broadcasting the BBC-WShttp://www.opb.org/radio/grid.php?c=am 580 kHz - KMJ ? 600 kHz - KOGO ? 640 kHz - KFI ? 680 kHz - KNBR ? 740 kHz - KCBS ? 770 kHz - KCBC ? 780 kHz - KKOH ? 810 kHz - KGO ? 980 kHz - KDVB ? 1020 kHz - KTNQ ? 1110 kHz - KDIS ? 1130 kHz - KRDU ? 1320 kHz - KCTC ? 1360 kHz - KLSD ? 1450 kHz - KVML ? 1510 kHz - KIRV ? 1530 kHz - KFBK ? 1560 kHz - KNZR ? The reason for the "?" Mark is that the Frequency and Station is not in Question but the IBOC "Digital" Signal may possibily be coming from another Radio Station on that Channel due to Late-Night-Skip. The Blue "Digital" Light Blinked On-and-Off several times but did not Lock-On and switch-over-to a Digial Signal. FM Radio had several Solid Blue Lights. NOTE - These Radio Stations were heard using the Factory Supplied 3.5" x 4.5" Loop Antenna with just Six Turns (6-T) of Wire on it. The HD-Radio used was the Radiosophy "HD100" Radiohttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/de367ba87e469adchttp://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/msg/347fda9f492193dc good or bad iboc is here - if you can hear it ~ RHF . . . .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is still up to the marketplace to determine the fate of HD Radio - AM-HD will self-destruct and consumers are NOT buying HD radios. LOL ! |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 19, 10:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message ups.com... DE - That was "KOAC" 550 kHz - in Corvallis, OR - which is part of the Oregon Public Radio System. DE - I am simply reporting on what I 'observed' last night on the Radio. Night HD is still not authorized. The FCC approved, but we are waiting for the publication in the Federal register for the FCC to give the go-ahead. KFI, for example, has not had HD on since their tower fell over 2 and a half years ago. DE, I am only reporting on what the Blinking Blue Light on the Radiosophy "HD100" Radio is telling me. digital, Digital. DIGITAL ! - Is In The House ~ RHF The light may be flashing due to something else the radio is doing or picking up. None of the stations you list is currently authorized for night HD. And, like I said, the KFI transmitter is not even installed with HD capability. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
"David" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:55:41 GMT, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message roups.com... DE - That was "KOAC" 550 kHz - in Corvallis, OR - which is part of the Oregon Public Radio System. DE - I am simply reporting on what I 'observed' last night on the Radio. Night HD is still not authorized. The FCC approved, but we are waiting for the publication in the Federal register for the FCC to give the go-ahead. KFI, for example, has not had HD on since their tower fell over 2 and a half years ago. Why don't they fix it? They need to put up an antenna like KNBR's. Zoning. FAA, etc. Still no permit to build, but likely replacing the 770 foot tower with a 660 foot top loaded one at same site in 4 to 6 months. Station will move to the former Montecito Heights KRKD location at low power for the time it takes to put up the tower. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 20, 7:49 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... On Jun 19, 10:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message roups.com... DE - That was "KOAC" 550 kHz - in Corvallis, OR - which is part of the Oregon Public Radio System. DE - I am simply reporting on what I 'observed' last night on the Radio. Night HD is still not authorized. The FCC approved, but we are waiting for the publication in the Federal register for the FCC to give the go-ahead. KFI, for example, has not had HD on since their tower fell over 2 and a half years ago. DE, I am only reporting on what the Blinking Blue Light on the Radiosophy "HD100" Radio is telling me. digital, Digital. DIGITAL ! - Is In The House ~ RHF The light may be flashing due to something else the radio is doing or picking up. None of the stations you list is currently authorized for night HD. And, like I said, the KFI transmitter is not even installed with HD capability.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - OK - Ring Ring Ring - Hello K-Mart . . . are you having a Blue Light Special ? ~ RHF |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 20, 3:47 am, wrote:
On Jun 20, 2:16 am, RHF wrote: On Jun 19, 10:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message oups.com... DE - That was "KOAC" 550 kHz - in Corvallis, OR - which is part of the Oregon Public Radio System. DE - I am simply reporting on what I 'observed' last night on the Radio. Night HD is still not authorized. The FCC approved, but we are waiting for the publication in the Federal register for the FCC to give the go-ahead. KFI, for example, has not had HD on since their tower fell over 2 and a half years ago. DE, I am only reporting on what the Blinking Blue Light on the Radiosophy "HD100" Radio is telling me. digital, Digital. DIGITAL ! - Is In The House ~ RHF . . . . That blinking blue light means you are out-of-luck, a dumb-ass for buying an HD radio, and supporting the destuction of the AM broadcast band !- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ibocisacr, IBOC - Makes $en$e in the FM Band and the jury is still out for a few years as to whether IBOC will be a bust -or- the destruction of the AM/MW Band. Clearly for "Rural" Radio Listeners the Digital part of the AM & FM Broadcast Signal will have to be increased to reach the Listeners on the Fringe of the Radio Stations range. Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition to HD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give a HD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. of course that is just a dumb-ass opinion ~ RHF |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
"RHF" wrote in message ups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition to HD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give a HD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
"David Eduardo" wrote in message t... "RHF" wrote in message ups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition to HD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give a HD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. There you go again saying that only those inside your precious city grade contours count as listeners. Probably 40-50 million people in the US would beg to differ. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 22, 12:04 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message ups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition toHD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give aHD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. "HD Radio's Dirty Little Secret" "Nope, the dirty little secret is that HD Radio's coverage is far less than regular analog radio. About 60% of analog radio's reach even." http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd...le-secret.html |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 22, 2:55 am, RHF wrote:
On Jun 21, 9:04 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message oups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition toHD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give aHD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. DE - So your Answer to Rural Folks is let them Listen to XM or Sirius Satellite Radio for High Quality Digital Sound. ~ RHF IMHO - A 1 KW Analog AM/MW Radio Station which is only putting out a 10 Watt Digital (1%) Signal is wasting the time going Digital. That goes for a 5 KW Analog AM/MW Radio Station which is only putting out a 50 Watt Digital (1%) Signal is wasting the time going Digital. That goes for a 15 KW Analog AM/MW Radio Station which is only putting out a 150 Watt Digital (1%) Signal is wasting the time going Digital. That goes for a 50 KW Analog AM/MW Radio Station which is only putting out a 500 Watt Digital (1%) Signal is wasting the time going Digital. TV with it's finite end to Analog Broadcasting should be a clear example of what "HD" Radio has to do to force the Transition from Analog to Digital. . . . .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - LOL ! If the FCC tried to force all-digital, there would be anti- trust lawsuits against the FCC and iBiquity, plus consumers have zero interest in HD Radio, so no one would be listening: http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd...+xm%2C+podcast |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
wrote: On Jun 22, 12:04 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message ups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition toHD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give aHD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. "HD Radio's Dirty Little Secret" "Nope, the dirty little secret is that HD Radio's coverage is far less than regular analog radio. About 60% of analog radio's reach even." http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd...le-secret.html You're really gonna get ol' Edweenie riled up! Then again, nothing better than messing with a fake Hispanic. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
This morning on his radio talk show, www.supertalkms.com 97.3 FM
on my radio dial, Paul Gallo said 81 percent of talk radio is conservative talk radio.Oviously, Commie Fascist Nazi Traitor trent lott doesn't like that at all.A few mornings ago, Traitor trent lott phoned Paul Gallo (Paul Gallo is as Conservative as anybody can be) and Traitor trent lott told Paul Gallo that it doesn't make any difference how many times Mississippians complain (phone calls/faxes/emails) his mind is made up about illegal aliens.Traitor trent lott used to be a democrap. www.devilfinder.com trent lott: Talk radio is running America cuhulin |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
"RHF" wrote in message ups.com... DE - So your Answer to Rural Folks is let them Listen to XM or Sirius Satellite Radio for High Quality Digital Sound. ~ RHF Again, the HD signal is digital. There is no 1:1 power comparison. Much lower powers are effective in digital. That goes for a 50 KW Analog AM/MW Radio Station which is only putting out a 500 Watt Digital (1%) Signal is wasting the time going Digital. Our experience with a number of 50 kw AMs in HD is that the HD is often listenable beyond the listenable and usable analog range. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message t... "RHF" wrote in message ups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition to HD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give a HD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. There you go again saying that only those inside your precious city grade contours count as listeners. Probably 40-50 million people in the US would beg to differ. First, we are talking about AM, which now has, nationally, only about 19% of radio listening. Second, most of that percentage is in upper end demos, as under age 45, listenership is very small. What we have is a band that has serious issues about survival. In big cities, small cities and rural areas, there is very little use of AM outside the very strong signal contours. In fact, the national coverage by FM is far more dense than the AM coverage. If HD can help AM survive, it is a fair tradeoff. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 22, 12:04 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message ups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition toHD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give aHD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. "HD Radio's Dirty Little Secret" "Nope, the dirty little secret is that HD Radio's coverage is far less than regular analog radio. About 60% of analog radio's reach even." That is just not so... usable coverage is about the same for analog and digital. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 22, 3:50 am, wrote:
On Jun 22, 2:55 am, RHF wrote: On Jun 21, 9:04 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message oups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition toHD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give aHD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. DE - So your Answer to Rural Folks is let them Listen to XM or Sirius Satellite Radio for High Quality Digital Sound. ~ RHF IMHO - A 1 KW Analog AM/MW Radio Station which is only putting out a 10 Watt Digital (1%) Signal is wasting the time going Digital. That goes for a 5 KW Analog AM/MW Radio Station which is only putting out a 50 Watt Digital (1%) Signal is wasting the time going Digital. That goes for a 15 KW Analog AM/MW Radio Station which is only putting out a 150 Watt Digital (1%) Signal is wasting the time going Digital. That goes for a 50 KW Analog AM/MW Radio Station which is only putting out a 500 Watt Digital (1%) Signal is wasting the time going Digital. TV with it's finite end to Analog Broadcasting should be a clear example of what "HD" Radio has to do to force the Transition from Analog to Digital. . . . .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - LOL ! If the FCC tried to force all-digital, there would be anti- trust lawsuits against the FCC and iBiquity, plus consumers have zero interest in HD Radio, so no one would be listening: http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd...t+radio%22...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DOH - Sort of like an Anti-Trust Lawsuit against the IRS for not letting anyone collect Income Taxes ~ RHF |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 22, 1:53 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in message t... "RHF" wrote in message oups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition to HD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give a HD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. There you go again saying that only those inside your precious city grade contours count as listeners. Probably 40-50 million people in the US would beg to differ.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - BAD, Clearly this Thread is positive proof that the 'magical' 10mv/m Contour does not serve this Rural Area of the State of California very well -and- a Blinking Blue Light says that the Digital Signal is not strong enough to effectively reach the same areas where an Analog Signal seems to make it in fairly well - be it AM or FM. Again a gradual increase in the Digital Signal Level from one year to the next would have all areas served and produce a steady transistion from Analog to Digital as new HD Radio Listeners and Equipment replaces the old Analog Radio Listeners and Equipment. * Digital Output Power Level wrt Analog ERP First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital * Analog Output Power Level Reduction Sixth Year -10% Analog Seventh Year -20% Analog Eighth Year -30% Analog Ninth Year -40% Analog Tenth Year -50% Analog What HD Radio will do for AM/MW Radio is debatable. What HD Radio will do for FM Radio can be clearly heard. imho -de- hd radio needs more power output to serve the whole country which includes rural areas -or- will rural areas be forced to pay for XM or Sirius Satellite Radio to get digital quality sound ? ? ? ~ RHF |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -IBOC- The Digital Noise Level {Background Hash} Is Here
On Jun 22, 10:18 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message et... "RHF" wrote in message roups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition to HD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give a HD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. There you go again saying that only those inside your precious city grade contours count as listeners. Probably 40-50 million people in the US would beg to differ. First, we are talking about AM, which now has, nationally, only about 19% of radio listening. Second, most of that percentage is in upper end demos, as under age 45, listenership is very small. What we have is a band that has serious issues about survival. In big cities, small cities and rural areas, there is very little use of AM outside the very strong signal contours. In fact, the national coverage by FM is far more dense than the AM coverage. If HD can help AM survive, it is a fair tradeoff.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DE, Then start writting the Obituary for AM/MW Radio in a good part of Rural America right now [.] -cause- The Digital Noise Level {Background Hash} from IBOC has made and impact on the Listenability of several California Central Valley AM/MW Radio Strations that I could pick-up and hear reasonably well 580 kHz - KMJ and 1530 kHz - KFBK come to mind. The Digital Noise Level {Background Hash} from IBOC seems to be increasing Week-by-Week : Which Will Kill Analog AM/MW Radio for sure within Three to Five Years. The "Only Two Alternatives for AM/MW Radio Are : 1 - Stop All "HD" Radio Digital {IBOC} Broadcasts - Now ! 2- Expedite the Transistion* to All "HD" Radio Digital {IBOC} Broadcasts -ASAP- * NOTE - Phase-Up Higher Powered AM/MW "HD" Radio Digital {IBOC} Broadcasts -and- Phase-Down Lower Powered AM/MW 'Analog' Radio Broadcasts. that's the way i hear it - with my own two ears ~ RHF |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
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"Brenda Ann" wrote: "David Eduardo" wrote in message t... "RHF" wrote in message ups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition to HD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give a HD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. There you go again saying that only those inside your precious city grade contours count as listeners. Probably 40-50 million people in the US would beg to differ. Ignore the Troll. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Outside the 10 mv/m Contour the "HD" Radio {IBOC} Broadcasting Scheme is BROKEN !
On Jun 22, 10:15 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message ups.com... DE - So your Answer to Rural Folks is let them Listen to XM or Sirius Satellite Radio for High Quality Digital Sound. ~ RHF Again, the HD signal is digital. There is no 1:1 power comparison. Much lower powers are effective in digital. That goes for a 50 KW Analog AM/MW Radio Station which is only putting out a 500 Watt Digital (1%) Signal is wasting the time going Digital. Our experience with a number of 50 kw AMs in HD is that the HD is often listenable beyond the listenable and usable analog range. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DE - OK so it is not 1:1 -but- 1:100 ? Get Real ! ~ RHF The current 'fixed' Power Output Ratio of 1:100 {1%} for Digital-to-Analog should be increased to at least 3%; with 9% being better. =OR= Turn the "HD" Radio Signal Off [.] -cause- Outside the 10 mv/m Contour the "HD" Radio Broadcasting Scheme is BROKEN ! -Big Time- |
The Art {Hooby} Of AM/MW Radio DXing Is Obsolete Due To Technological Advancement -ie- IBOC Broadcasting
On Jun 22, 10:18 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message et... "RHF" wrote in message roups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition to HD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give a HD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. There you go again saying that only those inside your precious city grade contours count as listeners. Probably 40-50 million people in the US would beg to differ. First, we are talking about AM, which now has, nationally, only about 19% of radio listening. Second, most of that percentage is in upper end demos, as under age 45, listenership is very small. What we have is a band that has serious issues about survival. In big cities, small cities and rural areas, there is very little use of AM outside the very strong signal contours. In fact, the national coverage by FM is far more dense than the AM coverage. If HD can help AM survive, it is a fair tradeoff.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DE - yes, Yes. YES - We Know - We Don't Count ~ RHF - - - and the Art {Hobby} of AM/MW Radio DXing is Obsolite due to Technological Advancement -ie- IBOC Broadcasting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -IBOC- The Digital Noise Level {Background Hash} Is Here
"RHF" wrote in message ups.com... Then start writting the Obituary for AM/MW Radio in a good part of Rural America right now [.] The owners of stations in metro areas don't care about listening outside the metro. They can not make any money from those listeners. On the other hand, if there is a chance to make AM more viable in the future and the only sacrifice is a handful of listeners outside the metro, that mean no income, then the trade is very one-sided. The FCC agrees. -cause- The Digital Noise Level {Background Hash} from IBOC has made and impact on the Listenability of several California Central Valley AM/MW Radio Strations that I could pick-up and hear reasonably well 580 kHz - KMJ and 1530 kHz - KFBK come to mind. Where are you? If you are not in the metro area of the station, the station really does not care. They do care about surviving, though. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
"Telamon" wrote in message ... Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. There you go again saying that only those inside your precious city grade contours count as listeners. Probably 40-50 million people in the US would beg to differ. Ignore the Troll. You again? Facts on real radio listening seem to confuse you. Your vision of how broadcasting works, and has worked in the US for nearly a century is at total odds with reality. |
Outside the 10 mv/m Contour the "HD" Radio {IBOC} Broadcasting Scheme is BROKEN !
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... -cause- Outside the 10 mv/m Contour the "HD" Radio Broadcasting Scheme is BROKEN ! -Big Time- The listening to most metro area radio stations outside the 10 mv/m contour is nearly zero, anyway. So there is no loss. |
The Art {Hooby} Of AM/MW Radio DXing Is Obsolete Due To Technological Advancement -ie- IBOC Broadcasting
"RHF" wrote in message ups.com... - - - and the Art {Hobby} of AM/MW Radio DXing is Obsolite due to Technological Advancement -ie- IBOC Broadcasting. Considering that the total membership in AM DX clubs over the last decade is less than 1000 persons, I think the whole point is moot. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
"David Eduardo" wrote in message . net... "Telamon" wrote in message ... Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. There you go again saying that only those inside your precious city grade contours count as listeners. Probably 40-50 million people in the US would beg to differ. Ignore the Troll. You again? Facts on real radio listening seem to confuse you. Your vision of how broadcasting works, and has worked in the US for nearly a century is at total odds with reality. It's called BROADcasting. It's not NARROW casting for ONLY those fortunate enough to live within a 10dB city contour. It's a PUBLIC SERVICE, IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. NOT STRICTLY A BOTTOM LINE ISSUE. |
Broadcast Radio Industry Insiders Reveal : HD Radio's Dirty Little Secret
On Jun 22, 3:47 am, wrote:
On Jun 22, 12:04 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message oups.com... Phasing in and Increase of the Digital Signal over Time would ease the Transition toHD Radio. First Year 1% Digital Second Year 2% Digital Third Year 4% Digital Fourth Year 8% Digital Fifth Year 16% Digital A 16% Digital Signal should give aHD Radio Station a Signal Coverage Area far better then their present Analog Signal Coverage Area. Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. - "HD Radio's Dirty Little Secret" - - "Nope, the dirty little secret is that HD Radio's coverage - is far less than regular analog radio. - - About 60% of analog radio's reach even." - - http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd...le-secret.html ibocisacr - Good Info and Link. "HD Radio's Dirty Little Secret" http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd...e-secret.html- Hide quoted QUOTE - "This is really very discouraging and is leading us to wonder why we should bother to promote HD. To do so will only disappoint, and, perhaps, antagonize a significant segment of the audience who finds that the system doesn't deliver." - - - i would agree -and- my ears don't lie ~ RHF |
"DE" - yes, Yes. YES ! - DXers Know - We Don't Count In The Grand Scheme of HD Radio
On Jun 22, 7:27 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message ups.com... - - - and the Art {Hobby} of AM/MW Radio DXing is Obsolite due to Technological Advancement -ie- IBOC Broadcasting. - Considering that the total membership in AM DX clubs - over the last decade is less than 1000 persons, - I think the whole point is moot. Once Again "DE" - yes, Yes. YES ! - DXers Know - We Don't Count In The Grand Scheme of HD Radio But Think Of This DE : DXer's are a 'minority' -but- Then in your Quantified {and Qualified} Business World - DXers are a 'minority' that does not Count - All the while your Personal Business Life has been based on Serving a "Minority" of Radio Listeners. -interesting- such hypocrisy ~ RHF |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
On Jun 22, 7:24 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... Based on actually working with 40 or so HD stations, the current HD signal, on AM, covers to at least the same usable and used coverage area the analog signal reaches, sometimes more. On FM, it also reaches the same area where nearly all actual listening happens. There you go again saying that only those inside your precious city grade contours count as listeners. Probably 40-50 million people in the US would beg to differ. Ignore the Troll. You again? Facts on real radio listening seem to confuse you. Your vision of how broadcasting works, and has worked in the US for nearly a century is at total odds with reality. DE - Then 'your' Broadcast Radio Reality Sucks [.] ~ RHF |
The Art {Hooby} Of AM/MW Radio DXing Is Obsolete Due To Technological Advancement -ie- IBOC Broadcasting
"David Eduardo" wrote in message t... "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in message . net... "RHF" wrote in message ups.com... - - - and the Art {Hobby} of AM/MW Radio DXing is Obsolite due to Technological Advancement -ie- IBOC Broadcasting. Considering that the total membership in AM DX clubs over the last decade is less than 1000 persons, I think the whole point is moot. Most DX'ers don't BELONG to clubs. Most of us sit in our own homes or cars and listen to distant stations for fun, or, simply listen to a station we're not supposed to (out of your precious contours) because we LIKE it. It may come as a suprise to you, but most dog owners don't belong to the AKC, either. Actually, it's the dogs themselves that the AKC registers. In any case, the reality of your argument is simple; "I don't care if AM radio dies as long as I can listen a while more to stations that were not even licensed to serve me." Again, stations are licensed to serve the PUBLIC. I am part of the PUBLIC, as are all those millions of others that you so easily dismiss. Or does the term 'freedom of choice' not mean anything to you? (not that we have much of that anymore, what with Clear Channel, Entercom, etc. running cloned formats coast to coast). What you're saying is that people outside your precious contours have no choice what they can and cannot listen to. If they have only one station in their town (there are a LOT of such places, believe me), or, worse yet, none at all, they are just **** out of luck. Sorry, I ain't ever going to buy into that malarky. When I was growing up, I had to listen to stations perhaps 150 miles or more away if I didn't want to listen to the farm report or the swap meet of the air or other equally lame (to me, as a teen) programming. I know I'm just banging my head against the wall here, because you will never see the other side of this issue (and yes, I do see the business side of the issue), but dammit, PEOPLE have to be more important than the almighty dollar, or the entire business ideal is doomed to eventual failure. You serve the PEOPLE. That's the way it's supposed to work. The PUBLIC first.. the advertisers second. If you don't serve the public, the advertisers will eventually go elsewhere because they'll be advertising to nobody. |
The Art {Hooby} Of AM/MW Radio DXing Is Obsolete Due To TechnologicalAdvancement -ie- IBOC Broadcasting
RHF wrote:
- Show quoted text - DE - yes, Yes. YES - We Know - We Don't Count ~ RHF - - - and the Art {Hobby} of AM/MW Radio DXing is Obsolite due to Technological Advancement -ie- IBOC Broadcasting. We haven't counted since long before IBOC. Truth is, Radio has been disregarding us for decades. At least by degrees. Now, they don't even hear our voice. David isn't the one who makes these policies, or decides which numbers are to be excluded, he's only telling you what the reality is in the Radio biz. It sucks. And I"m not saying that it's right. Or even that it needs to be that way. Everything that you, and Ace, and Brenda Ann have said are legitimate concerns from the listener's perspective. I'm right there with you. But the industry just doesn't care. They don't have to. They churn out their sausages, their sausages sell. They take their money and go buy expensive toys. They don't care. They don't have to. And like the ever declining level of customer service in every line of business, these days, this thinking is so commonplace and so prevalent, that the public has simply come to accept it as the norm. In some cases, they even accept it as the right way. Look at Microsoft. And the huge number of people who will defend them and their contemptuous business practices to the last drop of their own blood. They don't care. They're simply too big to need to. So, people who have had it, exit the Microsoft world for Linux. Or Solaris. Or FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and in some cases, UNIX itself. Or the blossoming Mac world. And like Microsoft, Radio is seeing an ever increasing number of dissatisfied listeners who exit to their iPods. Or CD players. Or satellite radio. I put a Peripheral iPod Interface in my car. I may go two, three weeks without tuning in. I have one colleague who took the radio out of his Highlander entirely. We don't listen to the radio when we go to hamfests. He's the one who took my job, when I left CBS. And we are not alone in our circles. It's only dinosaurs like us who understand the shortsightedness of the thinking, and the waste of potential that radio reflects, today, and the hazards of limiting communications availability and choice, that care anymore. It's only dinosaurs like us who understand the shortsightedness of putting all of it in the hands of one single company who can make decisions about the entire communications business, exclusively toward profit, with only token resistance from the stewards of the public trust that care the primary focus of the broadcasting companies, today is their stock price. Nothing else is as important. And we are in short supply. The business has done its research. And is convinced that what it's doing is the only way. Now, the reality of this research is that questionaires can be designed to produce exactly the desired outcome. I was involved in this kind of directed research at CBS. And I've been involved in focus group sessions that were also subtly directed to a desired outcome. And for a time, they worked. And the station flourished despite the chicanery. But then, again, we didn't have a head-on competitor. When one came along, the shortcomings of the research were apparent in the extreme, and they kicked the **** out of us with minimum wage disc jockeys and the lamest promotion department in the business. But they did what we wouldn't, and the listeners migrated in droves. They didn't last. Mel Karmazin opened up the treasury and we simply outspent them. And locked up every venue in the region for live concerts. And locked up demographic specific sponsors into exclusivity. Like Survivor, we outspent, out played and out lasted them. And when they were gone, only we remained. Haggard, and battle worn, but literally, within minutes of the announcement that they had spun the Wheel, we were back to our old ways. The corner office didn't care. It didn't have to. And most stations, today, are positioned so they don't have to face a head-on competitor. They can make just as much money doing things the way it's doing them as they can doing things the way that would include us in the service commitment. It's just less expensive and more risky to do things our way. And every analyst on Wall Street will tell you stockholders don't like risk, or expense. And no advertiser wants to roll the dice with their money on content that may be contrary to its interest. As Howard Stern learned, again, this past week on Sirius. The hard pill to swallow, here, is that Radio, in the US, has always been about the money. Always. Since the first grain elevator operators built amateur licensed transmitters to report their market prices, programming has only been there to hold listener attention between commercial messages. The public service commitment written into the rules came late. And from the outset was seen as an unfair burden to broadcasters who could make much more money without it. Today, the public service commitment is barely a token, and Radio is STILL listening to the advertisers...the ones with the money. And everything you hear on the radio is geared to that end. If public service could be made profitable, things would change. But it's not. And in that light, yes, Roy, we don't count. It's not right. But it is reality. They don't care. They don't have to. |
The Art {Hooby} Of AM/MW Radio DXing Is Obsolete Due To Technological Advancement -ie- IBOC Broadcasting
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... .. In any case, the reality of your argument is simple; "I don't care if AM radio dies as long as I can listen a while more to stations that were not even licensed to serve me." Again, stations are licensed to serve the PUBLIC. I am part of the PUBLIC, as are all those millions of others that you so easily dismiss. Even back when stations had a more defined service "obligation" as part of the terms of their license, the FCC was very specific about equating "service" with "community of license" and required service only to the city of license, and, at the licensee´s option, surrounding communities within the primary coontours. In fact, the rules are rather specific for both AM and FM as to what signal contours are protected from interference on the same and adjacent channels. Fringe area reception is guaranteed neither to the station nor to the listener. The public, for example, for an FM is that within the 54 dbu coverage area. There is no granted right for the station or the listener to be able to hear the station outside that area. And there is no requirement of the licensee to serve any audience even that far out, signal wise. Never has been, and you are trying to make a case based on rare and unusual circumstances. Or does the term 'freedom of choice' not mean anything to you? (not that we have much of that anymore, what with Clear Channel, Entercom, etc. running cloned formats coast to coast). Actually, if you do some deeper inspection, you will find that neither of these companies run cloned formats. While they may use the same name for similar formats because of the amazingly difficult challenge of finding new names (due to the Internet's effect on service mark rights), the fact that there are many named "Kiss" or "Star" or "Majic" or "Power" does not mean evey station with the same name has the same format, music or DJs. As to formats being repeated nationally, you reallly don't think that there wouldm't be a country, and AC, a rock, a CHR station in nearly every market? And that they would play fairly similar music form city to city? In fact, 45 or 50 years ago, there were two or three Top 40 stations in every larger market! What you're saying is that people outside your precious contours have no choice what they can and cannot listen to. They have no expectation of hearing, consistently, any station beyond its protected contour. And they never have. The fact that your lot is a bit lower than your neighbor's lot and you have saved water by using their run-off for years does not give you the right to expect that he can not put a drain on his property at some point and capture that water. Same with distant signals. There is no right or expectation under the law and FCC rules that grants a right to DX specific stations without interference. If they have only one station in their town (there are a LOT of such places, believe me), or, worse yet, none at all, they are just **** out of luck. Sorry, I ain't ever going to buy into that malarky. When I was growing up, I had to listen to stations perhaps 150 miles or more away if I didn't want to listen to the farm report or the swap meet of the air or other equally lame (to me, as a teen) programming. In another forum, I mentioned this story... which shows that the "when I was growing up" thing is a fable and not relevant today. In the 60's, the town of Omena, MI, in Leelanau county, population 60, could get two Traverse City AMs in the daytime, and that with difficulty if there were atmospherics. At night, there was no local reception, and one had to depend on WJR, WLS, WBBM and WMAQ... the only consistently receivable signals in the region. Unfortunately, for much of the year, Omena is in an auroral region and reception could be blocked for days on end at night. So, daytime, when most radio listening is done, there were two choices. At night, there were four, none of which had any service to the local area. Today, there are 3 AMs with a 5 mv/m day signal and one at night. Not a big change there. But there are 7 FMs with a 70 dbu signal, 8 with a 60 to 69 dbu, and a half-dozen mure between 65 and 69 dbu. In other words, 15 easily receivable, by day and night, FMs and a couple more with signals most radios could get with a bit of effort. So the idea that rural areas are unserved is bunk. I can repeat this story for Dewey-Humboldt, AZ or Indio, CA or a thousand other rural communities where AM reception in the 50's and 60's was bad, limited and subject to interference by day, and limited to distant, irrelevant non-local stations at night. Now, as in my example, here is a tiny, remote community that has good signals from over a dozen FMs. I know I'm just banging my head against the wall here, because you will never see the other side of this issue (and yes, I do see the business side of the issue), but dammit, PEOPLE have to be more important than the almighty dollar, or the entire business ideal is doomed to eventual failure. You serve the PEOPLE. No, we do NOT. We serve the people, by the terms of our license, in the communities around our city of licence. We have never had an obligation to serve anyone outside our protected contours, and there has never, even in the toughest regulatory days, a requirement to serve listeners in the weaker protected contours... just in the immediate community. That's the way it's supposed to work. The PUBLIC first.. the advertisers second. If you don't serve the public, the advertisers will eventually go elsewhere because they'll be advertising to nobody. And how many advertisers today care if there are people listening beyond the protected contours of a station? NONE is the answer. Without revenue, the audience can not be served. |
AM/MW "HD" Radio -Nightime- IBOC Is Here Almost . . .
David wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:18:10 -0700, "David Eduardo" wrote: First, we are talking about AM, which now has, nationally, only about 19% of radio listening. Second, most of that percentage is in upper end demos, as under age 45, listenership is very small. What we have is a band that has serious issues about survival. In big cities, small cities and rural areas, there is very little use of AM outside the very strong signal contours. In fact, the national coverage by FM is far more dense than the AM coverage. If HD can help AM survive, it is a fair tradeoff. You always speak in relative terms, not in real numbers. The audience you are willing to throw away (while gaining nothing) are in the millions. Kids aren't going to listen to Slant Head and the Pig Man just because they're in stereo. Where is your data to show that millions of listeners would be lost? Apparently the stations already know the people you are talking about don't listen to their stations. If they did, it would show in the survey data. |
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