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David June 1st 07 01:43 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
Say goodbye to MWDX.

All 74 pages are available right he


http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc


[email protected] June 1st 07 02:32 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
On Jun 1, 11:43�am, David wrote:
Say goodbye to MWDX.

*All 74 pages are available right he

*http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc


Hopefully, this will be mostly an issue, if you have a local 50KW AM
and are trying to hear a distant, adjacent AM - either way, AM-HD will
be the death of AM.


Rfburns June 1st 07 03:03 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
On Jun 1, 8:43 am, David wrote:
Say goodbye to MWDX.

All 74 pages are available right he

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc


The real issue is that the FCC neither has the technical expertise or
desire to combat market forces such as IBiquity. AM HD is a solution
to a problem that doesn't exist and is technically flawed because
there is no clean way to transition from pure analog AM transmission
to digital transmission. IBiquity and AM broadcasters know this but
they seem intent on ignoring the technical issues.

You just can't throw away billions of analog receivers and get
everyone to buy a more expensive digital one. The market just isn't
there as most AM listeners just don't care.

jw


[email protected] June 2nd 07 01:16 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
On Jun 1, 1:03?pm, Rfburns wrote:
On Jun 1, 8:43 am, David wrote:

Say goodbye to MWDX.


All 74 pages are available right he


http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc


The real issue is that the FCC neither has the technical expertise or
desire to combat market forces such as IBiquity. AM HD is a solution
to a problem that doesn't exist and is technically flawed because
there is no clean way to transition from pure analog AM transmission
to digital transmission. IBiquity and AM broadcasters know this but
they seem intent on ignoring the technical issues.

You just can't throw away billions of analog receivers and get
everyone to buy a more expensive digital one. The market just isn't
there as most AM listeners just don't care.

jw


This sure doesn't sound like the R.F.Burns on radio-info.com -
actually, consumers could give a **** about HD Radio, as a whole:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22hd... te=all&sort=0


dxAce June 2nd 07 11:12 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 


blitz wrote:

RHF writes...
On Jun 1, 5:43 am, David wrote:
Say goodbye to MWDX.

All 74 pages are available right he

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc


DX'ers - WAS2 ~ RHF


IBOC is earnings-driven. As Mr. Eduardo is so quick to point out,
DXers don't pay the bills. So the industry as a whole is willing to
risk something like IBOC to revive earnings. It's a kludge; there
might be better options; but it's not going away soon. And that sucks
for distance listening on older equipment.

New equipment might actually open up new kinds of DX. We just don't
know yet.


IBOC = QRM, and Edweenie is a fake Hispanic!



Somebody Somewhere June 3rd 07 04:58 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
On Jun 1, 8:43 am, David wrote:
Say goodbye to MWDX.

All 74 pages are available right he

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc


Dammit. I'd rather DX power line noise than that ****.



Steve June 3rd 07 05:43 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
On Jun 2, 11:58 pm, Somebody Somewhere wrote:
On Jun 1, 8:43 am, David wrote:

Say goodbye to MWDX.


All 74 pages are available right he


http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc


Dammit. I'd rather DX power line noise than that ****.


If the IBOC folks are correct, then lots of people would probably like
to listen to power line noise if only they can hear it in digital
quality. lol


David June 3rd 07 03:00 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:27:30 -0700, wrote:

On Jun 1, 5:43 am, David wrote:
Say goodbye to MWDX.

All 74 pages are available right he

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc

I can hear IBOC crap on the analog signal. It's very low level, but
you can clearly tell when a local station is using the hash generator.
Also, the bandwidth goes to ****. The analog signal when IBOC is
running is just barely better than a phone line.

If your receiver IF/Mixer isn't completely flat you'll hear the IBOC.
The digital sidebands are out of phase with each other and the system
relies on them cancelling out in your receiver. You can't use a synch
detector on an IBOC station, unless you can listen to both sides at
once.

[email protected] June 3rd 07 07:16 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
Mostly,the only stores I get to anymore are the food store, the discount
tobacco store, gas station,the Animal Health Products store (dog food)
and sometimes the Sears store and the book store at the mall.

I almost never check out the radios at the stores I go to which do sell
radios because I know they are mostly junk and I haven't looked to see
if there are any hd radios on the store shelves.I don't like hd radio.

So, what is it going to be like for most people when their AM radio
listening gets all messed up and they can't buy cheap enough hd radios
at the stores in their local areas? (Katrina all over again)

A few weeks ago at tvpredictions.com I read that there might not be
enough hd converters for analog tv when that big hd tv switch over is
suppose to happen on Feburary 17, 2009. (Katrina all over again)
cuhulin


Telamon June 3rd 07 11:22 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
In article . com,
Steve wrote:

On Jun 2, 11:58 pm, Somebody Somewhere wrote:
On Jun 1, 8:43 am, David wrote:

Say goodbye to MWDX.


All 74 pages are available right he


http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...CC-07-33A1.doc


Dammit. I'd rather DX power line noise than that ****.


If the IBOC folks are correct, then lots of people would probably like
to listen to power line noise if only they can hear it in digital
quality. lol


Warm up the computer for email complaints.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF June 4th 07 09:52 PM

(OT) : Lack Of HD TV Converters Causes Analog TVs To Go Dark - Followed By . . .
 
On Jun 4, 10:37 am, John Mayson wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, wrote:

A few weeks ago at tvpredictions.com I read that there might not be
enough hd converters for analog tv when that big hd tv switch over is
suppose to happen on Feburary 17, 2009. (Katrina all over again)
cuhulin


I can't get over how few people I know, some of them engineers, know this
is even coming.


- I personally can't wait for millions of TV sets to go dark,

but hey, that's just me. :-)

--
John Mayson
Austin, Texas, USA


(OT) : Lack of HD TV Converters causes Analog TVs
to go Dark - Followed by . . .

JM - That would be followed by a 'spike' . . .
in the US Birth Rate 9-Months later ;-) ~ RHF

Who needs "The Rhythm Method" when you have :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_Method
* Jimmy Kimmel Live - ABC
* Late Show with David Letterman - CBS
* Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson - CBS
* The Tonight Show with Jay Leno - NBC
* Late Night with Conan O'Brien - NBC
* Last Call with Carson Daly - NBC
http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html
followed by Movies-till-Dawn . . .

American Insurgent June 7th 07 05:48 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
On Jun 4, 10:37 am, John Mayson wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, wrote:

A few weeks ago at tvpredictions.com I read that there might not be
enough hd converters for analog tv when that big hd tv switch over is
suppose to happen on Feburary 17, 2009. (Katrina all over again)
cuhulin


I can't get over how few people I know, some of them engineers, know this
is even coming. I personally can't wait for millions of TV sets to go
dark, but hey, that's just me. :-)

--
John Mayson
Austin, Texas, USA



Wal Mart still is selling analog CRT TVs out the wazoo, they have
about a dozen different brands. Whoever is in charge of merchandising
in Bentonville doesn't know about it either. The weird thing is, Wal
Mart just remodeled the electronics sections in their stores to wedge
in flat screen TVs, and ended up with a huge section devoted to CRTs
and about six different flat screens, most of which are TFT (analog)
sets. I saw that and thought, boy are they gonna be sorry. They also
gave the heave ho to the cheap HD converter they were selling before.
Guess the profit margins weren't high enough for the Arkansas suits.

It is nearly impossible to get any HD converter at all unless you're
on the east coast. Best Buy sells a Samsung-for $180-but it's hidden
among the DirecTV boxes, on the bottom shelf. They have tons of HD
ready TVs, but what they don't tell you is that most of them need the
converter to receive HDTV. If you don't shell out extra for the
converter, you get analog TV. Same thing with cable, or satellite, you
need their special box to get HD signals. The vast majority of America
doesn't realize this, so the feds will switch off analog and everybody
will be blindsided.

The FCC promised $50 converters on every street corner when they
ordered the switchoff of analog, but that never materialized. The
price of a box has gone down only slightly from 2 years ago. The govt
is too spineless to order corporations to promote HD converters, or
sell them for subsidized prices, or even notify the public that analog
is about to be switched off. The only mention I've seen has been in
newspapers-in the columns written by the chitchatty not-real-news
columnists hidden on the inside. There has been virtually zero mention
of this on the nightly news, or on TV newsmagazines, or in Time or
Newsweek.

I'm starting to think it's deliberate-they WANT people to panic when
their TVs get switched off, then rush out all at once to pay $3000 for
a converter box and $15,000 for a TV. Sony did the same thing with the
Playstation 3-created a hysteria for the product, artificially limited
supply, then milked the frenzy for all it was worth. In the end, the
PS3 was far inferior to the Nintendo Wii. Six months later, the Wii is
still a strong seller while PS3 units collect dust. Everybody who paid
thousands of dollars for the PS3 on ebay suddenly realized that they
got ripped off big time. Sony probably lost many customers that
they'll never get back. Sony probably won't be around for much longer-
they're still focused on money losing small time consumer electronics
like the Discman. They needed a PS3 frenzy to save the company. Now
people realize that they were scammed, and Sony is in extremely deep
doo doo with formerly loyal customers who feel used. The corporations
that are looking to create a panic over high definition TV and radio
are sailing in the same dangerous waters. People will riot over the
sudden switchoff of TV and pay huge money for HD, only to realize that
they've been had. And the government was complicit. When people
realize THAT, they'll be furious at the politicians who they already
hate, and they may even start talking seriously about a revolution.

You can only pile so much on people before they snap. An unpopular war
in Iraq and an upcoming war with a very well armed Iran, the gutting
of the job base, the flood of America hating illegals, the constant
abuse by corporations, the wealth piling higher in the mansions of
billionaires while half of America goes without health care, the
politicians who just don't give a damn about the pain, and now the
elimination of analog radio and TV, making a billion sets useless,
without a squeak of notice. The ruling elite just keeps piling it on,
betting that people will just keep taking it without complaint.
Eventually, the elite's winning streak will end, and people will start
fighting back. They're preparing for it now; Bush has signed executive
orders authorizing the President to seize absolute power on the
flimsiest of justifications, and to declare an "emergency" that will
never end, along with his limitless power. The army will be sent out
to squash America's resistance to the new order and "pacify" and
"neutralize" the country forever.


Brenda Ann June 7th 07 06:46 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Jun 4, 10:37 am, John Mayson wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, wrote:

A few weeks ago at tvpredictions.com I read that there might not be
enough hd converters for analog tv when that big hd tv switch over is
suppose to happen on Feburary 17, 2009. (Katrina all over again)
cuhulin


I can't get over how few people I know, some of them engineers, know this
is even coming. I personally can't wait for millions of TV sets to go
dark, but hey, that's just me. :-)

--
John Mayson
Austin, Texas, USA



Wal Mart still is selling analog CRT TVs out the wazoo, they have
about a dozen different brands. Whoever is in charge of merchandising
in Bentonville doesn't know about it either. The weird thing is, Wal
Mart just remodeled the electronics sections in their stores to wedge
in flat screen TVs, and ended up with a huge section devoted to CRTs
and about six different flat screens, most of which are TFT (analog)
sets. I saw that and thought, boy are they gonna be sorry. They also
gave the heave ho to the cheap HD converter they were selling before.
Guess the profit margins weren't high enough for the Arkansas suits.


According to law, there should be NO analog-only TV's over 13" being sold at
this time. All TV's over 13" diagonal measure are supposed to have digital
(not necessarily HD) tuners as of March of this year. I don't know whether
they're supposed to be able to use 480i/p, 720p or 1080p. I suspect the
480i/p.



[email protected] June 7th 07 07:08 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
The Wal Mart store I go to about a mile and a half from me has some
small and large CRT tv sets on the shelves and in the boxes right there
along with the small and large thin screen tv sets on the shelves and in
the boxes.There are about seven more Wal Mart stores in the Jackson
metro area.I assume it is same same at those Wal Mart stores too.
cuhulin


[email protected] June 7th 07 07:15 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
Yep,analog small and large CRT tv sets.There is another Wal Mart store I
sometimes go to about five miles West of me in Clinton,Mississippi.I was
there about two weeks ago.I noticed that Wal Mart store also has some
analog CRT tv sets on the shelves and in the boxes.I think the smallest
analog CRT tv sets I saw in those Wal Mart stores are 13 inch screen tv
sets.They are there.
cuhulin


David Eduardo[_4_] June 8th 07 06:15 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
oups.com...
. Sony did the same thing with the
Playstation 3-created a hysteria for the product, artificially limited
supply, then milked the frenzy for all it was worth. In the end, the
PS3 was far inferior to the Nintendo Wii. Six months later, the Wii is
still a strong seller while PS3 units collect dust. Everybody who paid
thousands of dollars for the PS3 on ebay suddenly realized that they
got ripped off big time. Sony probably lost many customers that
they'll never get back. Sony probably won't be around for much longer-
they're still focused on money losing small time consumer electronics
like the Discman. They needed a PS3 frenzy to save the company.


No, they don't. Sony is a $65 BILLION dollar a year company, and game
consoles are a small part of that. It made a net profit of over $1 billion
last year.

Sony will be around a long, long time.



Michael A. Terrell June 8th 07 06:42 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
David Eduardo wrote:

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
oups.com...
. Sony did the same thing with the
Playstation 3-created a hysteria for the product, artificially limited
supply, then milked the frenzy for all it was worth. In the end, the
PS3 was far inferior to the Nintendo Wii. Six months later, the Wii is
still a strong seller while PS3 units collect dust. Everybody who paid
thousands of dollars for the PS3 on ebay suddenly realized that they
got ripped off big time. Sony probably lost many customers that
they'll never get back. Sony probably won't be around for much longer-
they're still focused on money losing small time consumer electronics
like the Discman. They needed a PS3 frenzy to save the company.


No, they don't. Sony is a $65 BILLION dollar a year company, and game
consoles are a small part of that. It made a net profit of over $1 billion
last year.

Sony will be around a long, long time.



That isn't a very good ROI.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

David Eduardo[_4_] June 8th 07 07:39 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
oups.com...
. Sony did the same thing with the
Playstation 3-created a hysteria for the product, artificially limited
supply, then milked the frenzy for all it was worth. In the end, the
PS3 was far inferior to the Nintendo Wii. Six months later, the Wii is
still a strong seller while PS3 units collect dust. Everybody who paid
thousands of dollars for the PS3 on ebay suddenly realized that they
got ripped off big time. Sony probably lost many customers that
they'll never get back. Sony probably won't be around for much longer-
they're still focused on money losing small time consumer electronics
like the Discman. They needed a PS3 frenzy to save the company.


No, they don't. Sony is a $65 BILLION dollar a year company, and game
consoles are a small part of that. It made a net profit of over $1
billion
last year.

Sony will be around a long, long time.



That isn't a very good ROI.


That is because it is not "ROI."

ROI is "return on investment" or the payback on invested capital. ROI,
simplified, is how much you make each year on each dollar invested. Often
companies are measured in return on assets, as opposed to investment
capital.

Sony's $1.5 billion profit vs. $66 billion in sales gives you the profit
margin, which is just about 2%.

Supermarkets often have a margin below 1%. The profit is on volume. Other
business may have margins of 20% to 25%, but these are usually service
companies, not manufacturers. GE has a high margin, around 12%. Honda has a
margin of 5%.



dxAce June 8th 07 09:37 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 


David Frackelton Gleason, who still insists he's 'Eduardo', (a fake Hispanic),
wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

"American Insurgent" wrote in message
oups.com...
. Sony did the same thing with the
Playstation 3-created a hysteria for the product, artificially limited
supply, then milked the frenzy for all it was worth. In the end, the
PS3 was far inferior to the Nintendo Wii. Six months later, the Wii is
still a strong seller while PS3 units collect dust. Everybody who paid
thousands of dollars for the PS3 on ebay suddenly realized that they
got ripped off big time. Sony probably lost many customers that
they'll never get back. Sony probably won't be around for much longer-
they're still focused on money losing small time consumer electronics
like the Discman. They needed a PS3 frenzy to save the company.

No, they don't. Sony is a $65 BILLION dollar a year company, and game
consoles are a small part of that. It made a net profit of over $1
billion
last year.

Sony will be around a long, long time.



That isn't a very good ROI.


That is because it is not "ROI."

ROI is "return on investment" or the payback on invested capital. ROI,
simplified, is how much you make each year on each dollar invested. Often
companies are measured in return on assets, as opposed to investment
capital.

Sony's $1.5 billion profit vs. $66 billion in sales gives you the profit
margin, which is just about 2%.

Supermarkets often have a margin below 1%. The profit is on volume. Other
business may have margins of 20% to 25%, but these are usually service
companies, not manufacturers. GE has a high margin, around 12%. Honda has a
margin of 5%.


As a fake Hispanic your margin of believability is 0%.



David Eduardo[_4_] June 8th 07 01:25 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

That is because it is not "ROI."

ROI is "return on investment" or the payback on invested capital. ROI,
simplified, is how much you make each year on each dollar invested. Often
companies are measured in return on assets, as opposed to investment
capital.

Sony's $1.5 billion profit vs. $66 billion in sales gives you the profit
margin, which is just about 2%.

Supermarkets often have a margin below 1%. The profit is on volume. Other
business may have margins of 20% to 25%, but these are usually service
companies, not manufacturers. GE has a high margin, around 12%. Honda has
a
margin of 5%.



You can't really be stupid enough to compare a car company, a
supermarket chain, and an electronics manufacturer's ROI can you?


Those agre gross margins, not ROI. When you understand the difference
between margins and ROI (hint... one is a P&L metric and the other is a
balance sheet one) rejoin the conversation.

P.S. A huge part of Sony´s income is not from consumer electronics.



David Eduardo[_4_] June 8th 07 01:27 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

As a fake Hispanic your margin of believability is 0%.


You seldom, if ever, have anything but invective and venom to contribute, do
you? You are a sick and little person if you can never discuss things and
always have to insult as part of your act.



dxAce June 8th 07 01:42 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 


David Frackelton Gleason, so strange, his mommy made him a remittance man who
now has to pose as 'Eduardo', wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

As a fake Hispanic your margin of believability is 0%.


You seldom, if ever, have anything but invective and venom to contribute, do
you? You are a sick and little person if you can never discuss things and
always have to insult as part of your act.


At least my "act" isn't that of a fake Hispanic!




David Eduardo[_4_] June 8th 07 01:59 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, so strange, his mommy made him a remittance man
who
now has to pose as 'Eduardo', wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

As a fake Hispanic your margin of believability is 0%.


You seldom, if ever, have anything but invective and venom to contribute,
do
you? You are a sick and little person if you can never discuss things and
always have to insult as part of your act.


At least my "act" isn't that of a fake Hispanic!


I rest my case.



Michael A. Terrell June 8th 07 02:26 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
David Eduardo wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

That is because it is not "ROI."

ROI is "return on investment" or the payback on invested capital. ROI,
simplified, is how much you make each year on each dollar invested. Often
companies are measured in return on assets, as opposed to investment
capital.

Sony's $1.5 billion profit vs. $66 billion in sales gives you the profit
margin, which is just about 2%.

Supermarkets often have a margin below 1%. The profit is on volume. Other
business may have margins of 20% to 25%, but these are usually service
companies, not manufacturers. GE has a high margin, around 12%. Honda has
a
margin of 5%.



You can't really be stupid enough to compare a car company, a
supermarket chain, and an electronics manufacturer's ROI can you?


Those agre gross margins, not ROI. When you understand the difference
between margins and ROI (hint... one is a P&L metric and the other is a
balance sheet one) rejoin the conversation.



Su the numbers are bad, but they are your numbers?



P.S. A huge part of Sony´s income is not from consumer electronics.



Right

Plonk.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

dxAce June 8th 07 04:13 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 


David Frackelton Gleason, more fake than a $3 bill, wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, so strange, his mommy made him a remittance man
who
now has to pose as 'Eduardo', wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

As a fake Hispanic your margin of believability is 0%.


You seldom, if ever, have anything but invective and venom to contribute,
do
you? You are a sick and little person if you can never discuss things and
always have to insult as part of your act.


At least my "act" isn't that of a fake Hispanic!


I rest my case.


You had no case to begin with, you phoney baloney twit.



David Eduardo[_4_] June 8th 07 09:35 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...

Those agre gross margins, not ROI. When you understand the difference
between margins and ROI (hint... one is a P&L metric and the other is a
balance sheet one) rejoin the conversation.



Su the numbers are bad, but they are your numbers?


They just are not ROI numbers. ROI is return on investment, meaning,
fundamentally, if you spend capital, what is the rate of return on the
capital. For example, if you buy some machinery, over the life of the asset,
what additional profit will you make vs. the cost.

Profit margin is the percentage that is profit of gross sales. In the case
of Sony, the margin is about 1.56%. In competitive fields, this is not an
unusual margin. That is why the stock is trading around its 5 year high
right now.



P.S. A huge part of Sony´s income is not from consumer electronics.



Right


Yeah, Sony Pictures, Sony Music, etc. And the financial division, which is
significant in Japan.

Plonk.


Truth make you unhappy?



dxAce June 8th 07 09:45 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 


David Frackelton Gleason, posing as the fake Hispanic 'Eduardo', wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...

Those agre gross margins, not ROI. When you understand the difference
between margins and ROI (hint... one is a P&L metric and the other is a
balance sheet one) rejoin the conversation.



Su the numbers are bad, but they are your numbers?


They just are not ROI numbers. ROI is return on investment, meaning,
fundamentally, if you spend capital, what is the rate of return on the
capital. For example, if you buy some machinery, over the life of the asset,
what additional profit will you make vs. the cost.

Profit margin is the percentage that is profit of gross sales. In the case
of Sony, the margin is about 1.56%. In competitive fields, this is not an
unusual margin. That is why the stock is trading around its 5 year high
right now.



P.S. A huge part of Sony´s income is not from consumer electronics.



Right


Yeah, Sony Pictures, Sony Music, etc. And the financial division, which is
significant in Japan.

Plonk.


Truth make you unhappy?


It sure seems to make you unhappy.



D Peter Maus June 8th 07 10:04 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
David Eduardo wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Those agre gross margins, not ROI. When you understand the difference
between margins and ROI (hint... one is a P&L metric and the other is a
balance sheet one) rejoin the conversation.


Su the numbers are bad, but they are your numbers?


They just are not ROI numbers. ROI is return on investment, meaning,
fundamentally, if you spend capital, what is the rate of return on the
capital. For example, if you buy some machinery, over the life of the asset,
what additional profit will you make vs. the cost.

Profit margin is the percentage that is profit of gross sales. In the case
of Sony, the margin is about 1.56%. In competitive fields, this is not an
unusual margin. That is why the stock is trading around its 5 year high
right now.

P.S. A huge part of Sony´s income is not from consumer electronics.


Right


Yeah, Sony Pictures, Sony Music, etc. And the financial division, which is
significant in Japan.



Not to mention that Sony and Philips are co patent owners on the
Compact Disc, and the Compact Disc player.

As well as the patents on dozens of other products, subsystems or
technical refinements.


Royalties are significant.

Steve June 9th 07 01:41 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
On Jun 8, 4:35 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in ...



Those agre gross margins, not ROI. When you understand the difference
between margins and ROI (hint... one is a P&L metric and the other is a
balance sheet one) rejoin the conversation.


Su the numbers are bad, but they are your numbers?


They just are not ROI numbers. ROI is return on investment, meaning,
fundamentally, if you spend capital, what is the rate of return on the
capital.


Yes, but what does "they", "on", "meaning", "the" and "just" mean, Mr.
Dictionary?

For example, if you buy some machinery, over the life of the asset,
what additional profit will you make vs. the cost.

Profit margin is the percentage that is profit of gross sales. In the case
of Sony, the margin is about 1.56%. In competitive fields, this is not an
unusual margin. That is why the stock is trading around its 5 year high
right now.



P.S. A huge part of Sony´s income is not from consumer electronics.


Right


Yeah, Sony Pictures, Sony Music, etc. And the financial division, which is
significant in Japan.



Plonk.


Truth make you unhappy?


I don't know. What does "make", "unhappy" and "?" mean?


m II June 9th 07 02:04 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
dxAcehole wrote:

As a fake Hispanic your margin of believability is 0%.



Well, HERE is some reality for you Bozo..you can Believe in THIS.

http://tinyurl.com/2o52rm


How's your fake Miami membership doing? Still a paid up member?






mike

m II June 9th 07 02:08 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
dxAcehole wrote:


At least my "act" isn't that of a fake Hispanic!



No, you seem to have the phoney 'Native American' role pretty much
figured out...at least when you're drunk and abusive.





mike

dxAce June 9th 07 11:51 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 


m II wrote:

dxAcehole wrote:

As a fake Hispanic your margin of believability is 0%.


Well, HERE is some reality for you Bozo..you can Believe in THIS.

http://tinyurl.com/2o52rm

How's your fake Miami membership doing? Still a paid up member?


You're certainly a paid up member of KOOKS of CanaDuh, right from birth!

http://www.negativepositive.org/****-canada.html





dxAce June 9th 07 11:56 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 


m II wrote:

dxAcehole wrote:


At least my "act" isn't that of a fake Hispanic!


No, you seem to have the phoney 'Native American' role pretty much
figured out...at least when you're drunk and abusive.


Nothing phoney about your Dumbass Canuck role!



m II June 9th 07 03:41 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
dxAcehole wrote:

You're certainly a paid up member of KOOKS of CanaDuh, right from birth!



I see your Superhero brother was discovered for what he is.

When is it your turn?

http://tinyurl.com/2pjs53






mike

dxAce June 9th 07 03:56 PM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 


m II wrote:

dxAcehole wrote:

You're certainly a paid up member of KOOKS of CanaDuh, right from birth!


I see your Superhero brother was discovered for what he is.

When is it your turn?

http://tinyurl.com/2pjs53


Hey! Cockbite! Allow me to repeat: You're certainly a paid up member of KOOKS of
CanaDuh, right from birth!

LMFAO at the dumbass Canuck.



RHF June 10th 07 04:27 AM

(OT) : The FCC "Indian Givesrs" - Trading AM DX for Nightime HD Radio
 
On Jun 8, 6:04 pm, m II wrote:
dxAcehole wrote:
As a fake Hispanic your margin of believability is 0%.


Well, HERE is some reality for you Bozo..you can Believe in THIS.

http://tinyurl.com/2o52rm


- How's your fake Miami membership doing?
- Still a paid up member?
- mike

(OT) : The FCC "Indian Givesrs" - Trading AM DX for Nightime HD Radio

MII - About - The "Miami" Indians of Indiana and Ohio
- - - and other parts of the old Northwest Territory.
http://www.native-languages.org/miami.htm
http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=606
http://www.dickshovel.com/mia.html
http://www.miamiindians.org/
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10271a.htm

Miami {Myaamia} Indian Tribe History
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/nativ.../miamihist.htm
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural...ica/miami.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_tribe

M II - No relation to the City of Miami in Florida
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami%2C_Florida
-or- The Beach by the name Miami ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Beach%2C_Florida
-and- that "Dade" fellow got a whole County
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami-D...nty%2C_Florida
named after him by being killed by some Indians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_L._Dade
-it- was a Seminole moment that ended his life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminole_Indians

RHF June 10th 07 06:09 AM

(OT) : Are You A "Mutt" ? - A True-Blue Red-White-and-Maple-Leaf Canadian !
 
On Jun 9, 8:27 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jun 8, 6:04 pm, m II wrote:

dxAcehole wrote:
As a fake Hispanic your margin of believability is 0%.


Well, HERE is some reality for you Bozo..you can Believe in THIS.


http://tinyurl.com/2o52rm


- How's your fake Miami membership doing?
- Still a paid up member?
- mike

(OT) : The FCC "Indian Givesrs" - Trading AM DX for Nightime HD Radio

MII - About - The "Miami" Indians of Indiana and Ohio
- - - and other parts of the old Northwest Territory.http://www.native-languages.org/miam...hen/10271a.htm

Miami {Myaamia} Indian Tribe Historyhttp://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/miami/miamihist.htmhttp://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/northamerica/miami.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_tribe

M II - No relation to the City of Miami in Floridahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami%2C_Florida
-or- The Beach by the name Miami ~ RHFhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Beach%2C_Florida
-and- that "Dade" fellow got a whole Countyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami-Dade_County%2C_Florida
named after him by being killed by some Indians.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_L._Dade
-it- was a Seminole moment that ended his life.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminole_Indians
.
FWIW - M II - There is even a { You Got It ! }
Miami in Manitoba, Canada too.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami,_...mimanitoba.ca/

As-For-Me - On my Father's side - His Ancestors were
from Chile - There had to be some Araucanian {Mapuche}
Indian Blood. Cause -If- you saw My Daddy and His
Brothers Skin, Hair and Bent Noses - Their Family History
was Written in their Faces and Bodies.http://www.oceanexplorer.net/south-a...e/m_nation.htm
.
and... Today I am Proud to say : I Am A Heinz-57-American !http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_57#Trivia
by the Grace of God {Allah} - Praise Be Him - Amen ~ RHF
.
.
. .


Mike - If . . .

You were a true-blue Red-White-and-Maple-Leaf Canadian
and a product of your Multi-Racial Canadian Culture ? ? ?
Then you just might consider yourself to be a "Mutt".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutt_%28humans%29

- - - the 'mutts' - honestly proud to be a canadians ~ RHF
.
Êtes Vous Un "Mutt" ?
Canadien De Rouge-Blanc-et-Érable-Feuille !
Les "Mutts" - Honnêtement fiers d'être Canadiens
.
.
.. .


m II June 10th 07 07:32 AM

FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC
 
dxAcehole wrote:

m II wrote:

dxAcehole wrote:

You're certainly a paid up member of KOOKS of CanaDuh, right from birth!

I see your Superhero brother was discovered for what he is.

When is it your turn?

http://tinyurl.com/2pjs53


Hey! Cockbite! Allow me to repeat: You're certainly a paid up member of KOOKS of
CanaDuh, right from birth!

LMFAO at the dumbass Canuck.



Drunk again, I see. You are a disgrace to every single blood type
flowing in your sub human veins.

You should also consider NOT using your ass for intercourse. I don't
care if you DID learn it in the US Navy.


mike




m II June 10th 07 07:47 AM

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David Eduardo wrote:

P.S. A huge part of SonyŽs income is not from consumer electronics.



Michael Jackson claimed they were out to rob him.




mike

Tommy Tootles June 10th 07 11:59 PM

OT: Crystal Ball [was FCC releases rule allowing night AM IBOC]
 
on June 7 American Insurgent wrote:

You can only pile so much on people before they snap. An unpopular war
in Iraq and an upcoming war with a very well armed Iran, the gutting
of the job base, the flood of America hating illegals, the constant
abuse by corporations, the wealth piling higher in the mansions of
billionaires while half of America goes without health care,


Hmmm, he said "wealth piling higher in the mansions of billionaires".

On June 10, the Associated Press wrote an article titled "CEO
compensation flies through the roof".

It says "Compensation for America's top CEOs has skyrocketed into the
stratospheric heights of pro athletes and movie stars: Half make more
than $8.3 million a year and some make much, much more..."

American Insurgent, it looks like your crystal ball was working perfectly!






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