On Jun 7, 4:57 am, default wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:22:30 +0100, Walt Davidson

wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:09:14 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

I served during Vietnam, but only on US soil. I was scheduled to go,
to work at an AFRTS TV station, but I ended up being sent to the station
in Alaska, at he US Army cold weather test site. That didn't stop the
idiots from screaming and cursing at me when I flew home in 1974.

In fairness, it wasn't really your fault. If Blair had been our Prime
Minister at the time (perish the thought!), we would probably have
been implicated in it as well!

73 de G3NYY

- In all fairness it is/was our fault. Theoretically (in a democracy)
- the people rule. We must really like the idea of war . . .
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"Default" {It's Not Your Fault That You Are Confused :-}

You Have Been Lied To By Your Liberal Teachers & Professors !

You Have Been Lied To By The Liberal Elite and Democrats !

You Have Been Lied To By The Liberal Media Elite !

America {The USA} Is A Republic [.]
- - - Why 'is' American {The USA} a Republic ? ? ?
The USA is a Republic with Constitutionally Guaranteed Individual
Rights
and Freedoms with a Strong Democratic Tradition -vice-
A Simple Majority {Mob} Rule Democracy.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/us.html

-IF- You want a Democracy go to China (PRC)
Note - PRC = People's Republic of China
- - - Oops They Are Not a Democracy Either.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ch.html

-OR- You could get a Democracy by going to Iran (IRI)
Note - IRI = Islamic Republic of Iran
- - - Oops They Are Not a Democracy Either.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ir.html

OH NEVER MIND - Fidel Castro {El Presidente for Life}
will give you all the Democracy you need in Cuba.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/cu.html

Proud To Say : I Am An American ~ RHF
God {Allah} Bless The USA - Amen !

"default" wrote in message
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SNIP

In all fairness it is/was our fault. Theoretically (in a democracy)
the people rule. We must really like the idea of war . . .
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in all fairness, the USA is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.
(Majority does NOT always rule)

You are durn right USA is a Republic.
cuhulin

"RHF" wrote in message
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On Jun 7, 2:27 pm, "Lord Garth" wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
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"Robert Peffers." wrote:

He voted for Bush.

Wrong, **** for brains. In fact, I was confined to bed for so long
that I missed the cut-off date to register to vote, after moving.
-
- Our DMV will get you a voters registration card without
- proof of citizenship but to renew my driver license,
- I had to provide my original social security card.
-
- How's that for irony?

LG - And To Vote - All you have to do is walk up and read a Name off
the Voters List and tell them you are that person. They are not
allowed to check any ID -or- even ask for and ID when you Vote.

An Honest "UN" Approved Election that Jimmy Carter
would Publicly Monitor would have Each Legal Voter :
* Present an Offical Government ID Card
* Give a Thumb Print using Indelible Purple {24 Hour} Ink
* Then Vote Once and Once Only



Uh huh, the UN & Jimmy Carter... Government ID cards.... Bah!

"labtech_one" wrote in message
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"default" wrote in message
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SNIP

In all fairness it is/was our fault. Theoretically (in a democracy)
the people rule. We must really like the idea of war . . .
--


in all fairness, the USA is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.
(Majority does NOT always rule)




Is there anything to prevent a republic also being democratic?

As far as I know there are two definitions of, "Republic",
1. A state where supreme power is held by the people, or their elected
representatives, or by an elected or nominated president.
2. Literally it means a society with equality between its members.

While a democracy is -
1. (a), a system of government by the whole population, usu. through elected
representatives. (b), a state so governed. (c), any organization governed on
democratic principles.
2. an egalitarian and tolerant form of society.

Can any USAsian really believe that they live in a Republic, (in the literal
sense of the word)?

Can any USAsian really believe that they live in a "Democracy", (in the
literal sense of the word)?

In effect both the USA and the UK are now, "Oligarchies"-

Oligarchy,
1 government by a small group of people.
2 a state governed in this way.
3 the members of such a government.

Just consider how Bush and Blair took our two countries into wars that the
public, by the large, did not want and you will see that neither state is
either democratic nor republican.

We elect these people as our servants to carry out our democratic wishes and
they then become the masters and we the servants. It is long past time for
the people of both democracies to reassert themselves and demand their
appointed servants remain their servants rather than their leaders and/or
masters.

Will I now have to beware of black 'copters at dawn?
--

Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:57:17 -0400, "labtech_one"
wrote:


"default" wrote in message
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In all fairness it is/was our fault. Theoretically (in a democracy)
the people rule. We must really like the idea of war . . .
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in all fairness, the USA is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.
(Majority does NOT always rule)

A democratic republic - or as the decider is fond of saying a
"democracy."

We are "bringing democracy to Iraq." Hear it over and over.

More like bringing hypocrisy, but they prefer to use "democracy."
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default wrote:

We are "bringing democracy to Iraq." Hear it over and over.

Why??? It seems we think "democracy" is "one size fits all".

Are we too arrogant to at least consider that [fill in the country of
your choice] maybe, just maybe, might want some form of government other
than "democracy"?

RHF wrote:
On Jun 7, 5:20 am, Tommy Tootles wrote:
Walt Davidson wrote:
In fairness, it wasn't really your fault. If Blair had been our Prime
Minister at the time (perish the thought!), we would probably have
been implicated in it as well!
73 de G3NYY
Well, at least you're getting rid of "Lap-Dog" Blair. We should be so
lucky with Bush/Cheney.

TT,

Let see how you like the Iron Fisted Grip of Mistress Hillary
http://www.photosled.com/data/1219/jjacksonclinton.jpg

-OR- May be Darth Hillary ;-}
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...ary_vader2.jpg

Then Again - There Is Hillary's Big Secret !
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/p...n20su20spy.jpg

Sorry to rain on your parade, but Shrillery is not my cup of tea...

(See, It Looks Like We Actually DO Agree On Something[!])

In message , Robert Peffers.
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As far as I know there are two definitions of, "Republic",
1. A state where supreme power is held by the people, or their elected
representatives, or by an elected or nominated president.
2. Literally it means a society with equality between its members.

Does it 'literally' not mean a 'public thing', or 'a thing of the
people' (from your actual Latin 'res publicae')?

Ian.
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"Robert Peffers." wrote:

"labtech_one" wrote in message
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"default" wrote in message
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SNIP

In all fairness it is/was our fault. Theoretically (in a democracy)
the people rule. We must really like the idea of war . . .
--


in all fairness, the USA is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.
(Majority does NOT always rule)




Is there anything to prevent a republic also being democratic?

Yes

As far as I know there are two definitions of, "Republic",
1. A state where supreme power is held by the people, or their elected
representatives, or by an elected or nominated president.
2. Literally it means a society with equality between its members.

Neither of which is the definition of Republic.

While a democracy is -
1. (a), a system of government by the whole population, usu. through elected
representatives. (b), a state so governed. (c), any organization governed on
democratic principles.
2. an egalitarian and tolerant form of society.

Well, you got that wrong as well.

Can any USAsian really believe that they live in a Republic, (in the literal
sense of the word)?

Sure. We do.

Can any USAsian really believe that they live in a "Democracy", (in the
literal sense of the word)?

Yes. Many many many people incorrectly believe that. The press insists
on getting it wrong every day.

In effect both the USA and the UK are now, "Oligarchies"-

Except for the part where we're not.

Oligarchy,
1 government by a small group of people.
2 a state governed in this way.
3 the members of such a government.

Just consider how Bush and Blair took our two countries into wars that the
public, by the large, did not want and you will see that neither state is
either democratic nor republican.

Even if your statement were true, your conclusion still wouldn't be.

We elect these people as our servants to carry out our democratic wishes and
they then become the masters and we the servants. It is long past time for
the people of both democracies to reassert themselves and demand their
appointed servants remain their servants rather than their leaders and/or
masters.

Will I now have to beware of black 'copters at dawn?

I'm sure your level of dishonesty and delusion requires it.