Performance review: DE1121 vs. DE1103
 

On Jun 26, 3:50 am, Duncan wrote:
On 25 Jun, 19:52, Roadie wrote:





On Jun 25, 10:48 am, Duncan wrote:

On 25 Jun, 15:26, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 9:41 am, Duncan wrote:

On 25 Jun, 14:07, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 8:43 am, Duncan wrote:

On 13 Jun, 21:50, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 13, 1:48 am, wrote:

Duncan Ross (from Scotland) wrote a very entertaining comparison of
theDE1121and DE1103:http://simart.googlepages.com/de1121de1103.htm

Worth a read!

--
Art Simon
/artsimon

Thanks for posting. After reading it I'm at a complete loss as to why
the author chose theDE1121over the DE1103 unless he was looking for
a way to satisfy "masochistic tendencies".

Hi Roadie!

I chose the DE1121 because on a crowded band like 49m it outperforms
the DE1103, makes unattended recordings and the RDS-esque way that
station names appear as you tune into them while browsing regardless
of band is a sockdologer.

And I'm a masochist.

And according to your writeup, that explains it.

Best regards,

Duncan

Don't knock it until you've tried it! (both sentences) :^D

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I have tried your writeup. And I remain puzzled by your conclusions.

No probs. Mini review just for you;

DE1103: fab sensitivity FM, MW and lack of FM images, simple UI
(except for volume control), unhelpful memories, good speaker, amazing
value for money. Very swish tuning, hopeless clock.

DE1121: improved AM selectivity, almost identical SW sensitivity, USB
connection, excellent memories, poor speaker but non-existent noise
floor, idiosynctatic UI. MP3 stuff.

DE1103 slightly better technical spec, DE1121 does everything and
copes with crowded bands better. Buy both and you'll probably sell the
DE1103 first as the DE1121's plusses outweigh its minuses.

Really really mini review: No clear winner.

Happy listening!

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Appreciate your detailed comments, thanks. Yes, there is no perfect
radio. For me the DE1103 has several plusses when it comes to raw
listening ability. But the memory management system is really poor.
Hexadecimal numbering combined with a memory transfer bug means it has
limited usefulness. And my DE1103 is starting to develop a stuttering
tuning knob. Spin it a few times and the problem goes away, but it is
a small hassle.

I have to keep reminding myself that Degen radios are quite
inexpensive and seemingly not designed for the export market. We put
up with glitches that had they occured in a Sony would have resulted
in the model being recalled.

Yes, my old DE1103 quickly acquired tuning knob stutter. I sent it
back and a new one arrived with much more 'drag' that worked very well
and was less prone to accidental movement. Still Degen continue to
seem unable to debounce an encoder properly. As far as DE1103 bugs are
concerned, the unlimited tuning bug is a nice easter egg, which lets
you tune unbroken from 0Khz up to (I think) 40KHz. It's strange
hearing the bandwidth shrink as you drop below 12KHz!

Unlimited tuning bug? I can get to the gap between 1.8 and 3mhz
easily enough, but it is't unbroken tuning. You have to go into
memory.




Degen can learn a great deal from established manufacturers such as
Sony; however until Sony release a £40 full band receiver with a 56KHz
IF and sensitivity that turns the SW100 into a paperweight, they can
possibly learn from Degen too.

I think that Degen and other chinese companies are still trying to
comprehend the higher standards of quality that consumers will demand
before a product can really become successful. Shortwave listening is
still quite big in China and will likely remain so until web and
satellite based communications really catch up in that country.

I am just happy to see any manufacturer
continuing to release new affordable models catering for an allegedly
dying format.

All the best!

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Performance review: DE1121 vs. DE1103
 

On 26 Jun, 12:46, Roadie wrote:
On Jun 26, 3:50 am, Duncan wrote:



On 25 Jun, 19:52, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 10:48 am, Duncan wrote:

On 25 Jun, 15:26, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 9:41 am, Duncan wrote:

On 25 Jun, 14:07, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 8:43 am, Duncan wrote:

On 13 Jun, 21:50, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 13, 1:48 am, wrote:

Duncan Ross (from Scotland) wrote a very entertaining comparison of
theDE1121and DE1103:http://simart.googlepages.com/de1121de1103.htm

Worth a read!

--
Art Simon
/artsimon

Thanks for posting. After reading it I'm at a complete loss as to why
the author chose theDE1121over the DE1103 unless he was looking for
a way to satisfy "masochistic tendencies".

Hi Roadie!

I chose the DE1121 because on a crowded band like 49m it outperforms
the DE1103, makes unattended recordings and the RDS-esque way that
station names appear as you tune into them while browsing regardless
of band is a sockdologer.

And I'm a masochist.

And according to your writeup, that explains it.

Best regards,

Duncan

Don't knock it until you've tried it! (both sentences) :^D

D.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have tried your writeup. And I remain puzzled by your conclusions.

No probs. Mini review just for you;

DE1103: fab sensitivity FM, MW and lack of FM images, simple UI
(except for volume control), unhelpful memories, good speaker, amazing
value for money. Very swish tuning, hopeless clock.

DE1121: improved AM selectivity, almost identical SW sensitivity, USB
connection, excellent memories, poor speaker but non-existent noise
floor, idiosynctatic UI. MP3 stuff.

DE1103 slightly better technical spec, DE1121 does everything and
copes with crowded bands better. Buy both and you'll probably sell the
DE1103 first as the DE1121's plusses outweigh its minuses.

Really really mini review: No clear winner.

Happy listening!

D.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Appreciate your detailed comments, thanks. Yes, there is no perfect
radio. For me the DE1103 has several plusses when it comes to raw
listening ability. But the memory management system is really poor.
Hexadecimal numbering combined with a memory transfer bug means it has
limited usefulness. And my DE1103 is starting to develop a stuttering
tuning knob. Spin it a few times and the problem goes away, but it is
a small hassle.

I have to keep reminding myself that Degen radios are quite
inexpensive and seemingly not designed for the export market. We put
up with glitches that had they occured in a Sony would have resulted
in the model being recalled.

Yes, my old DE1103 quickly acquired tuning knob stutter. I sent it
back and a new one arrived with much more 'drag' that worked very well
and was less prone to accidental movement. Still Degen continue to
seem unable to debounce an encoder properly. As far as DE1103 bugs are
concerned, the unlimited tuning bug is a nice easter egg, which lets
you tune unbroken from 0Khz up to (I think) 40KHz. It's strange
hearing the bandwidth shrink as you drop below 12KHz!

Unlimited tuning bug? I can get to the gap between 1.8 and 3mhz
easily enough, but it is't unbroken tuning. You have to go into
memory.


No, this is a different thing. Google for the Degen DE1103 easter egg;
it involves storing a specific frequency (I think 21951KHz) and then
pressing a key sequence that unlocks the entire frequency response
from 100KHz down to 0KHz and up beyond 30MHz.

Performance review: DE1121 vs. DE1103
 

On Jun 26, 8:12 am, Duncan wrote:
On 26 Jun, 12:46, Roadie wrote:





On Jun 26, 3:50 am, Duncan wrote:

On 25 Jun, 19:52, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 10:48 am, Duncan wrote:

On 25 Jun, 15:26, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 9:41 am, Duncan wrote:

On 25 Jun, 14:07, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 8:43 am, Duncan wrote:

On 13 Jun, 21:50, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 13, 1:48 am, wrote:

Duncan Ross (from Scotland) wrote a very entertaining comparison of
theDE1121and DE1103:http://simart.googlepages.com/de1121de1103.htm

Worth a read!

--
Art Simon
/artsimon

Thanks for posting. After reading it I'm at a complete loss as to why
the author chose theDE1121over the DE1103 unless he was looking for
a way to satisfy "masochistic tendencies".

Hi Roadie!

I chose the DE1121 because on a crowded band like 49m it outperforms
the DE1103, makes unattended recordings and the RDS-esque way that
station names appear as you tune into them while browsing regardless
of band is a sockdologer.

And I'm a masochist.

And according to your writeup, that explains it.

Best regards,

Duncan

Don't knock it until you've tried it! (both sentences) :^D

D.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have tried your writeup. And I remain puzzled by your conclusions.

No probs. Mini review just for you;

DE1103: fab sensitivity FM, MW and lack of FM images, simple UI
(except for volume control), unhelpful memories, good speaker, amazing
value for money. Very swish tuning, hopeless clock.

DE1121: improved AM selectivity, almost identical SW sensitivity, USB
connection, excellent memories, poor speaker but non-existent noise
floor, idiosynctatic UI. MP3 stuff.

DE1103 slightly better technical spec, DE1121 does everything and
copes with crowded bands better. Buy both and you'll probably sell the
DE1103 first as the DE1121's plusses outweigh its minuses.

Really really mini review: No clear winner.

Happy listening!

D.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Appreciate your detailed comments, thanks. Yes, there is no perfect
radio. For me the DE1103 has several plusses when it comes to raw
listening ability. But the memory management system is really poor.
Hexadecimal numbering combined with a memory transfer bug means it has
limited usefulness. And my DE1103 is starting to develop a stuttering
tuning knob. Spin it a few times and the problem goes away, but it is
a small hassle.

I have to keep reminding myself that Degen radios are quite
inexpensive and seemingly not designed for the export market. We put
up with glitches that had they occured in a Sony would have resulted
in the model being recalled.

Yes, my old DE1103 quickly acquired tuning knob stutter. I sent it
back and a new one arrived with much more 'drag' that worked very well
and was less prone to accidental movement. Still Degen continue to
seem unable to debounce an encoder properly. As far as DE1103 bugs are
concerned, the unlimited tuning bug is a nice easter egg, which lets
you tune unbroken from 0Khz up to (I think) 40KHz. It's strange
hearing the bandwidth shrink as you drop below 12KHz!

Unlimited tuning bug? I can get to the gap between 1.8 and 3mhz
easily enough, but it is't unbroken tuning. You have to go into
memory.

No, this is a different thing. Google for the Degen DE1103 easter egg;
it involves storing a specific frequency (I think 21951KHz) and then
pressing a key sequence that unlocks the entire frequency response
from 100KHz down to 0KHz and up beyond 30MHz.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cool. I looked but could not find the "easter egg". Do you have a
link? Do you hear anything on those extended frequencies?

Performance review: DE1121 vs. DE1103
 

On 26 Jun, 13:44, Roadie wrote:
On Jun 26, 8:12 am, Duncan wrote:



On 26 Jun, 12:46, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 26, 3:50 am, Duncan wrote:

On 25 Jun, 19:52, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 10:48 am, Duncan wrote:

On 25 Jun, 15:26, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 9:41 am, Duncan wrote:

On 25 Jun, 14:07, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 25, 8:43 am, Duncan wrote:

On 13 Jun, 21:50, Roadie wrote:

On Jun 13, 1:48 am, wrote:

Duncan Ross (from Scotland) wrote a very entertaining comparison of
theDE1121and DE1103:http://simart.googlepages.com/de1121de1103.htm

Worth a read!

--
Art Simon
/artsimon

Thanks for posting. After reading it I'm at a complete loss as to why
the author chose theDE1121over the DE1103 unless he was looking for
a way to satisfy "masochistic tendencies".

Hi Roadie!

I chose the DE1121 because on a crowded band like 49m it outperforms
the DE1103, makes unattended recordings and the RDS-esque way that
station names appear as you tune into them while browsing regardless
of band is a sockdologer.

And I'm a masochist.

And according to your writeup, that explains it.

Best regards,

Duncan

Don't knock it until you've tried it! (both sentences) :^D

D.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have tried your writeup. And I remain puzzled by your conclusions.

No probs. Mini review just for you;

DE1103: fab sensitivity FM, MW and lack of FM images, simple UI
(except for volume control), unhelpful memories, good speaker, amazing
value for money. Very swish tuning, hopeless clock.

DE1121: improved AM selectivity, almost identical SW sensitivity, USB
connection, excellent memories, poor speaker but non-existent noise
floor, idiosynctatic UI. MP3 stuff.

DE1103 slightly better technical spec, DE1121 does everything and
copes with crowded bands better. Buy both and you'll probably sell the
DE1103 first as the DE1121's plusses outweigh its minuses.

Really really mini review: No clear winner.

Happy listening!

D.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Appreciate your detailed comments, thanks. Yes, there is no perfect
radio. For me the DE1103 has several plusses when it comes to raw
listening ability. But the memory management system is really poor.
Hexadecimal numbering combined with a memory transfer bug means it has
limited usefulness. And my DE1103 is starting to develop a stuttering
tuning knob. Spin it a few times and the problem goes away, but it is
a small hassle.

I have to keep reminding myself that Degen radios are quite
inexpensive and seemingly not designed for the export market. We put
up with glitches that had they occured in a Sony would have resulted
in the model being recalled.

Yes, my old DE1103 quickly acquired tuning knob stutter. I sent it
back and a new one arrived with much more 'drag' that worked very well
and was less prone to accidental movement. Still Degen continue to
seem unable to debounce an encoder properly. As far as DE1103 bugs are
concerned, the unlimited tuning bug is a nice easter egg, which lets
you tune unbroken from 0Khz up to (I think) 40KHz. It's strange
hearing the bandwidth shrink as you drop below 12KHz!

Unlimited tuning bug? I can get to the gap between 1.8 and 3mhz
easily enough, but it is't unbroken tuning. You have to go into
memory.

No, this is a different thing. Google for the Degen DE1103 easter egg;
it involves storing a specific frequency (I think 21951KHz) and then
pressing a key sequence that unlocks the entire frequency response
from 100KHz down to 0KHz and up beyond 30MHz.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Cool. I looked but could not find the "easter egg". Do you have a
link? Do you hear anything on those extended frequencies?

There are two tricks; one involves this 'easter egg' that unlocks the
lower frequencies. There is another one that unlocks everything above
30MHz. Both are on the DE1103 yahoo group but I've found a version of
the first one on usenet:


DE-1103 Easter Egg: Tuning from 000 to 099 kHz
STORING 000 kHz IN MEMORY "99":
1. retract fully the antenna
2. switch DX/LO to "LO" [aka attenuator on]
Note: step #1 and #2 reduce stopping during scanning
3. turn on the radio
4. enter: 21951 [BAND+]
Note: the display shows no square around any meter band
5. press and hold [BAND-] until downward scanning begins
6. wait for the display to read lower than 100 kHz
Note: this scan process will take about 14.5 minutes
7. press [Band+] to stop while tuned between 0 and 99 kHz
Note: if you go past simply press and hold [Band+]
8. turn the tuning dial until 000 kHz is displayed
9. enter: "99" STORE STORE
Note: now memory 99 has 000 kHz for future access
10. remember to switch DX/LO back to "DX"
FUTURE USAGE
1. enter: "99" [M/F] then press [M/F] again
2. turn the tuning dial upward from 000 kHz
OTHER USAGES
Storing other values into memory while in this mode allows
continuous scanning up or down from those values as well.

Performance review: DE1121 vs. DE1103
 

On Jun 12, 10:48 pm, wrote:
Duncan Ross (from Scotland) wrote a very entertaining comparison of
the DE1121 and DE1103:http://simart.googlepages.com/de1121de1103.htm

Worth a read!

--
Art Simon
/artsimon

great