On Jul 21, 8:35 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Kurt wrote:

Never said they do. People want to buy iPhones and iPods because of the
ease of use and right-on-the-nose product design.

'Right-on-the-nose product design'? What you like and want may be
totally useless to a lot of other people. When i saw that Iphone on TV,
I thought it looked like another useless piece of junk. 'Right on' is
doing what you need, and doing it as easily and cheap as possible. Not
cramming every damn gimmick and stupid idea you can come up with. There
are already complaints about battery life. Don't you even wonder how
much longer it would work without all the crap?

Yes, for you, buy a phone with large numbers and voice only.

I'm a lot older than you and the iPhone does it right for 90% of what
people really want.

Youth market fuels gimmicks. Ringtones reap untold millions.

Do people REALLY want something that is easily broken, lost or stolen that
would pretty much give away their entire life if it fell into the hands of
someone else? And hey, my iPaq does most of what the iPhone does. Besides,
sometimes I want to do more than one thing at a time. For that it takes more
than one device. Cute gimmick, yeah, and young people will buy any gimcrack
that comes out just to be "kewl". That doesn't make it worth what they're
paying for it.

As far as Apple being the be all and end all of gimmickry, I have a very
nice (and reliable) mp3/video player with a 60GB HDD in it that cost me far
less than a similar iPod, and I don't have to deal with proprietary files.- Hide quoted text -

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BAD,

Let see to date I have never used the Camera
on my Motorola RAZR V3 Cellphone -and-
only down loaded on Ring Tone {Tune} :
"Hello Goodbye" -by- The Beattles

Two of the three iPhone owners that I know of
are ready to show everyone their iPhones . . .
but the third one already has a broken LCD
Display Screen. Oops ! They each average
$100 plus a Month in their AT&T Bill just for
the priviledge of saying : Hey Look At My iPhone !

As for me give me something like a "JitterBug"
Cellphone design with Senior Citizens in mind.
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-but- make it comatable with the AT&T Wireless
System.

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Kurt wrote:

In article ,
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Kurt wrote:

Never said they do. People want to buy iPhones and iPods because of the
ease of use and right-on-the-nose product design.


'Right-on-the-nose product design'? What you like and want may be
totally useless to a lot of other people. When i saw that Iphone on TV,
I thought it looked like another useless piece of junk. 'Right on' is
doing what you need, and doing it as easily and cheap as possible. Not
cramming every damn gimmick and stupid idea you can come up with. There
are already complaints about battery life. Don't you even wonder how
much longer it would work without all the crap?

Yes, for you, buy a phone with large numbers and voice only.


I already have a very good digital camera, and I don't like to listen
to music through earphones or headsets. Blow all your money on gimmicks
now, so all you can afford to eat when you retire is Chinese canned cat
food.


I'm a lot older than you and the iPhone does it right for 90% of what
people really want.


Really? How old would that be?


Youth market fuels gimmicks. Ringtones reap untold millions.


Youth are generally ignorant and very wasteful.


For you I would have to buy the "Braying Jackass" ringtone. OTOH,
someone who doesn't want to be bothered when he's not home doesn't need
anything more than 911 capability on a cell phone and I can do that for
free. I have boxes full of used, working cell phones with good
batteries that the recyclers won't pay for. I might as well use up the
old batteries before I give them to the local battered women's group.
They have a good supply at the moment, so why dump more on them? They
will need new batteries before they are given out, and the used
batteries are shipped off for recycling.

The newer phones go to charity to raise money for Disabled, and other
Veterans groups.

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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

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Kurt wrote:

Final Cut Pro is pretty swell for most of the pro world.

.... and Avid have a pretty good track record too.
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:




For you I would have to buy the "Braying Jackass" ringtone. OTOH,

Troll plonk.

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Kurt wrote:

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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:



For you I would have to buy the "Braying Jackass" ringtone. OTOH,

Troll plonk.


Yes, you are a troll. Goodbye.


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prove it.
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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

At 22 Jul 2007 12:35:43 +0900 Brenda Ann wrote:

Do people REALLY want something that is easily broken, lost or stolen
that would pretty much give away their entire life if it fell into the
hands of someone else?

No, but many of us do want an all-in-one device, rather than schlep
separate phones, PDAa, cameras, etc.

I use a PPC phone, and my data's password protected. Not a perfect
failsafe against loss, but I'm not exactly James Bond keeping Her
Majesty's Secrets out of the hands of SPECTRE either...

And hey, my iPaq does most of what the iPhone does.


So you pick on iPhone buyers for wanting an all-in-one device while using
a competitive all-in-one? You might as well make fun of Coke drinkers
for downing wasted empty calories, then say "and I prefer Pepsi anyway!"


Besides,
sometimes I want to do more than one thing at a time. For that it takes
more
than one device.

Depends on how well designed the device is- theoretically I could shoot
pictures on my PPC phone while talking on the phone (with my bluetooth
headet) but I haven't actually needed to.

Cute gimmick, yeah, and young people will buy any gimcrack
that comes out just to be "kewl". That doesn't make it worth what
they're
paying for it.

I think the iPhone is overpriced personally, but I don't condemn the
concept because of it, just as I think Lexus' cars are overpriced as well
but don't condemn all automobiles because of it.


As far as Apple being the be all and end all of gimmickry, I have a
very
nice (and reliable) mp3/video player with a 60GB HDD in it that cost me
far
less than a similar iPod,

To be fair, you use a player that didn't exist before the iPod proved it
market-viable. The MP3 player market was floundering in a sea of akward
to use flash-memory players (like my Rio 500) that were battling each
other on cost vs. capacity. It took Apple to say "people will pay more
for a device with a large, easy to read screen and a huge capacity." And
they were right.

And not to pick on the Apple faithful, but can we cut this hooey about
"perfect design" and "ergonomics?" The iPods' menus are just as idiotic,
confusing and non-intuitive as ever other MP3 player out there- the
difference was an easy-to-read multiline display that could indicate
where in the menu system you were. My Rio 500's menuing system was no
easier or harder to understand than my Nano's, it was just harder to
navigate through it a one-line, grey, pocket-calculator-style, LCD panel.

and I don't have to deal with proprietary files.

Another iPod basher that apparently has never actually used one: iPod
owners do not "have to deal with proprietary files." I have several MP3
players lying around, including an iPod Nano. The iPod doesn't use
"proprietary files"- it plays MP3s I drag to it's drive letter just like
all of my other MP3 players. (Yes, Apple fans, I know I'm missing out on
the whole "iTunes experience"- sue me. I've used computers since before
the GUI, and MP3 players since before the iPod and I don't do "playlists"
and "media syncing"- I drag albums to my player and play them in their
entirety.) Having said that, iPods CAN use non-MP3 .aiff files, but
they're no more (or less) proprietary than the Microsoft .wma files many
players, including yours, probably, can play as well. Like .wma, they
offer better sound quality in a smaller file, but also like .wma, they
cause compatiblity issues since all players can't play them, forcing many
of us to stick with (inferior) MP3 files.





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How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

Do away with GPS location reporting.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US author,
diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

In the iPhone's case, the potential market is fairly large, but not the
entire cellphone market, like our resident troll "none" believes, simply
because the entire cellphone market is not interested in smartphones,
regardless of how "smart" the phone is. Many people simply won't trade a
physical 12-key phone dialpad for access to Youtube or Google, period.

I'm not in that category obviously, nor are you, but the VAST majority of
people simply are. Those people, even if they were clamoring for an MP3
phone, would likely prefer a ROKR to an iPhone!



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On Jul 22, 9:12 am, DaveC wrote:
How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

- Do away with GPS location reporting.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US author,
diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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DC,

No Problem - You Already Have An Alien Implant That
Allows Us To Track You 24/7 Throughout the Gallaxy.

we are here and we are watching you ~ RHF The Grey

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC?

Funny you should ask The only NI GPIB card I could afford
is the surplus one that showed up in an old Mac LC together
with its Labview (68K) driver. The Mac was tossed at a
landfill collection center.

Regards,

Michael